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Call to scrap Hogmanay party tickets



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Published Date: 31 December 2007
THE popularity of Edinburgh's world-famous Hogmanay celebrations has slumped to the extent that organisers should consider scrapping ticketing and barriers, the capital's festival tsar claimed last night.
Steve Cardownie, who also serves as the city's deputy council leader, said the street party had become a victim of its own success with revellers being lured to "copycat" celebrations elsewhere.

The event peaked in 1997 when 300,000 people crammed into the city centre – raising safety fears and prompting a cordon and a strict ticket-only policy. Then 180,000 celebrated the millennium in Princes Street but the number of revellers has dropped further with just 100,000 this year opting for the £5 or £20 tickets.

Mr Cardownie said: "At one time, the street party was the only one of its kind in the UK, but it has now been replicated in cities like Newcastle, Liverpool and Glasgow so people aren't coming to Edinburgh in the vast numbers they did in previous years.

"That means we might not need the enclosed spaces and the expense of stewarding which could also allow us to get rid of charging people for tickets."

Mr Cardownie, who is responsible for Edinburgh's festivals and events, suggested it was time to look further afield for ideas on how to improve the street party. He added: "People do come back year after year for what is the most fantastic, vibrant and unique throng of mixed cultures celebrating with each other.

"However, we are looking at ways of attracting as many people as possible and attracting big names. We will need to take soundings and advice on this because a lot of big-name bands have become so expensive and we are facing a certain amount of competition from other cities."

Poor weather – which has seen the street party cancelled twice in four years – is also thought to have played a role in the event's declining popularity. However, while forecasters predicted rainy conditions tonight – with temperatures ranging from 2C to 8C – they only expect slight winds.

Meanwhile, Malcolm Chisholm, Labour's culture spokesman at Holyrood, warned the street party may need to be scaled down or even scrapped following a funding shake-up by the Scottish Government.

Mr Chisholm said the Cities Growth Fund set up by the last Labour-Liberal Democrat administration contributed £23 million to the city over the past three years. But this money now goes into the council's general fund which, Mr Chisholm said, means conflicting priorities over what it should be spent on.

He added: "The Cities Growth Fund has been a huge driver of success not just in Edinburgh but across the entire country. Hogmanay celebrations in Glasgow and Aberdeen could also be under threat."

But Mr Cardownie, an SNP councillor, disputed the claims.

He said: "We have received sufficient assurances from the Scottish Government that the funds will be available to ensure Edinburgh's winter festivals continue to offer world-renowned celebrations."

DRUG WARNING
HOGMANAY revellers were last night warned to protect their drinks following a rise in drug-assisted rapes and assaults.

Reports of drink-spiking in Scotland have shot up by 20 per cent since the smoking ban was introduced in March 2006, with people leaving their glasses unattended to have a cigarette.

Graham Rhodes, of the Roofie Foundation, said the charity had received reports of 580 drug-linked rapes this year UK-wide.

Experts say drug-rape victims are typically professional women aged 30 to 50. They believe one of the reasons these groups are targeted is because going out may be out of their usual routine.

The date-rape drug rohypnol, a banned tranquilliser, is easily available on the internet. Other substances widely used include the so-called party drugs GHB and GHL, which can have potentially deadly consequences for epileptics and diabetics.

The full article contains 640 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 31/12/2007 00:53:53
"Poor weather" as I have said before, has nothing to do with it!
'PURE-AND-SIMPLE', Its past its 'sell-by-date'! and is all very 'Tedious'!!
2

Statsman,

Scotland 31/12/2007 05:55:15
The whole event was a complete nonsense from the start. It should be cancelled altogether.

What was wrong with local people at The Tron enjoying New Year? We have had to abandon our culture so foreigners could taste some fake version of our culture few of us attended.

It has been total rubbish, just like the New Labour Party that introduced it.
3

Paul Voltaire,

31/12/2007 07:17:04
It is both boring and freezing.
Oh yes, and a waste of money too.
4

copath,

Dunbar 31/12/2007 07:28:59
Much better in the old days when inpromtu taking to the streets and jovial drinking and a peck on the cheek was the order of the night. One good thing if they don't have tickets there will not be able to be any nanny state "cancellation" of new year. Anyway, I'm past it now and am lucky enough to remember the crowds at the Tron and the atmosphere that was generated at the countdown to midnight. There were no barriers and I don't remember many stewards to control the crowd - not a high vis jackets to be seen.
5

Iain fae Elgin,

London 31/12/2007 07:41:13
#2 and #4

Exactly.
6

Hermitage,

Edinburgh 31/12/2007 07:46:19
They should scrap the whole thing.

Nothing but a damned noisy waste of time and money, provided for the rabble who are so drunk that they wouldn't know a firework if it hit them in the face.
7

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 31/12/2007 07:56:11
The council receive £23M to fund the event from central government. To then charge locals on top to be free to celebrate in their own city is greed or mismanagement.
Scrap restrictions, the thight focus on Princes St, but run diverse attraction across the city and have firework points on Calton Hill, Castle, Athurs seat and other high points so is a city wide acknowledgement that is midnight.
8

Boy Wonder,

31/12/2007 08:34:25
Since so many people will be gathered in a public place, will smoking be curtailed by the polis??
9

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 31/12/2007 09:28:33
Charles Linskaill

Good morning. My, but you get up early or are getting to bed late.

As I said before bring over some REAL talent from Canada such as Brian Adams or k.d. laing or Rufus Wainwright and you would sell a LOT of tickets.

It is too bad that Glasgow is copying the Hogmanay of Edinburgh with its splendiforous background of Edinburgh Castle as Boy Wonder pointed out yesterday.

Good morning to you too, Boy Wonder.

It is 4:30 a.m. here and I am about to take my black Labrador Retriever "Chester" out for his morning walkies in the wet snow.

What we pet owners do for our constant companions.

I do hope the Hogmanay party is a success in spite of the weather.

Viewed the film "Red Road" about CCTV in Glasgow and as depicted that city "seems" to appear to be quite bleak and frightening.

And to think that in the mid-nineteenth century Glasgow and Edinburgh were festering with genius and invention as is written in that excellent book "How The Scots Invented the Modern World".

Have any posters read it and is it entirely true in its factuality?
10

Calum Crubag,

31/12/2007 09:31:01
If we want to go back to 'our culture' then should we actually scrap Xmas? Presbyterian Scotland never really embraced this pagan/Catholic festival until relatively recently.
11

McMillar,

Fife 31/12/2007 09:32:53
I’d agree that it is time to move on. Used to live in Edinburgh did the NY big party once. Was ‘ok’ but never felt the slightest interest in going back to it.
12

Mike S,

31/12/2007 09:35:38
These events are designed to boost the careers of the organisers. I have seen the same sort of thing with what started as the fish quay festival in North Shields organised by fishermen, taken over by the council becoming window on the world then being upgraded to Newcastle. The cost to visitors of items bought soared as did the careers of those involved.
13

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 31/12/2007 09:36:43
The party was just another way for the old Labour Council to spend money. We have not been at a street party and as far as we are concerned the sooner we revert to the old style New Year in Edinburgh the better.
14

mr angry,

ayrshire 31/12/2007 09:59:38
#9 Get a grip , you should not base your opinions of a city on a film. There is nothing bleak about Glasgow city centre. Like most major cities it has some bleak housing estates, but has magnificent buildings in the city itself.
15

SC,

31/12/2007 10:06:11
World Famous? When most people in the world have never heard of Scotland that is a bit of a joke! Typical wha's like us attitude from 90 minute nationalists/Unionists.

Secondaly, so the cooncil has reduced demand from 300k to 100k, whilst being subsidised with our money to the tune of £23m! Wow. No wonder they work for the State. In the private sector they would have been asked to review their position long before now!

Scrap it and just let the publicans and restauranters of Edinburgh exploit the natural appeal of Scotland and Edinburgh for the New Year.
16

OscarMacApfel,

Dumfropolis 31/12/2007 10:08:30
Entirely in agreement with #4. Impromptu, al fresco, organic Hogmanay's were the best. The moment you ticket a natural happening, you kill it.

We used to go in to George Square in Glasgow for the bells, you'd find a couple of pipers and punters having a DIY hoolie. Favourite memory is of a fortunate street mendicant getting passed around like a rag doll for new year kisses from a group of Chinese lady tourists all the worse for wear.
17

Mackie,

Edinburgh 31/12/2007 10:11:51
Give the streets back to the people of Edinburgh and stop this ludicrous entry fee for walking about OUR city centre at New Year.
That would put the Heart and Soul back into it.
And the band played "Auld Land Syne" !!
18

WJohn,

Linlithgow 31/12/2007 10:23:21
It will be different when we have the trams.
Imagine it - brightly decorated vehicles, some with jazz, pop or ceilidh bands on board, processing gracefully along Princes Street with illuminated signs on their sides( the trams, not the bands) advising on responsible drinking, and STDs. It will put Blackpool in the shade.
Who then will dare say that we cannot organise a celebration in a beer factory.
19

C.U. Jimmy,

Huiyang 31/12/2007 10:31:45
You're all barking up the wrong tree. To quote the Daily Telegraph: "A spectacular £100,000-a-minute fireworks display on the banks of the Thames will form the centrepiece of Britain's New Year's Eve celebrations". (Sorry Edinburgh, it seems that Hogmanay is demoted to the status of a side-show.)

Isn't it good to know that under Gordon's great leadership, our taxes will now be burnt openly before our very eyes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=CHESSOY2DQ203QFIQMGSFFWAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2007/12/31/nfworks131.xml
20

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 31/12/2007 10:49:28
It must be Malky Chisum's turn to stand on his hind legs, flap his fippers and mouth some vacuous anti-SNP nonsense (just as it was daft wee Boyack's turn last week to witter about 'Flooding'). Malky didn't even have the bottle to be interviewed on Radio Scotchland this morning, leaving the floor to Steve Cardownie. Labour just HATE the fact that Salmond & Co are rolling back Nu-Labour's Stalinist, Micro-Control Mechanisms, like 'ring fencing' funds.
Speaking of 'Funds', where's Bendy Wendy, btw - has she already fled the Country?
21

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 31/12/2007 10:50:17
Our village 'do' costs £10 a ticket, kids free, acoustic music, proper dancing and reels, grub, drink and immune to weather and power cuts. One day you all will get this organised!
22

Aye Right...,

31/12/2007 10:51:27
Jings... Personally I still think the Hogmanay celebrations in Ediburgh are the best in the UK by miles. But why would anyone want to go back more than once or twice. It's an age thing.. It's geared for 18 - 25 year olds which is fine becuase it keeps the parties oot of my hoose..unless they get cancelled last minute like last year.
23

expa,

Dublin 31/12/2007 10:53:39
Typical scots wingers sounds like you have nothing to worry about these types of events go through cycles and looks like Edinburgh will eventually reduce in size anyway "organically"
24

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31/12/2007 10:54:47
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25

Scot-free,

On the twixt of Alba & the UK 31/12/2007 11:03:36
Hallo #9

Yes I have read the book in question and it is a good read. Factually it comes well up to standard I expect and he has thankfully, a sense of humour. Of course the Enlightenment probably went over the heads of 90% of the population as did the accrued wealth of the period in question then and afterwards! Yes we were everywhere as missionaries soldiers and administrators building up and consoloidating the modern world as we know it today. Our history and participation in the project which became the British Empire is not always an episode to be proud of and the legacy we have inherited is of little or no questionable value when our country has been hijacked by cheap kilts, hollywood highlanders and a deluge of tartan tat! Still it is a refreshing look at ourselves from the perspective of an outsider. Did you know that the term rednecks derives from us?(red hair freckles and a scorching southern sun!) Scottish history is still a largely undiscovered area for young Scots and hopefully this will change and it must if we are to achieve any kind of historical and political maturity.
I did watch Red Road and believe me it is even worse when you are in the picture as opposed to viewing it.
If you want a couple of reading tips why not try T.M Devine, T.C Smout and The New Penguin History of Scotland for history and for gritty reality How late it was, how late by Kelman. Alan Warner is also a good but rather offbeat member of the new generation of Scottish writers. Oh yes I went to the the street party twice in 96' and 2000 and both times found it to be a heaving mass of confusion drowning in a sea of alcohol chemicals and loaded banter. A good job too otherwise it would have been unbearable!

26

UrbanFox,

Edinburgh 31/12/2007 11:04:58
#4 is spot on. I remember the Tron. I was there. It was euphoric and spontaneous. It was flexible. It could never be cancelled. Those paying for Princes Street today are getting an imitation.
27

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 31/12/2007 11:16:29
#9 TimW1234

2As I said before bring over some REAL talent from Canada such as Brian Adams or k.d. laing or Rufus Wainwright and you would sell a LOT of tickets.2

Agree with BA and KDL, but I went to see Rufus in dublin years ago and he was dire. Actually, we went to see the McGarrigles and he was supporting them.

Now if we are talking about Canadian talent, what about the wonderful Joni Mitchell??

Don't understand your dig at Glasgow. Parties are so much more fun there.
28

Gothic Rose,

31/12/2007 11:19:59
I`m with # 2&4,As for#9 Look out for that snow drift!!!I`ll not be digging you out.!!!
29

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 31/12/2007 11:19:59
Further to my post #28

I have read the book twice. A lot of it is true. Many experts have criticised it for bending the truth to suit the thesis.

Again re Glasgow. Don't form an opinion based on a single documentary. Edinburgh has just as "scary" places but keeps them better hidden.
30

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 31/12/2007 11:25:24
#14 mr angry

How appropriate a netname. That film, "Red Road" only showed one aspect of Glasgow and yet you go off the deep end. YOU should get a grip and be more pondered in your rants.

Even poster # 26 Scot-free agrees with me whilst another later on does not.

The parties in Glasgow are probably over-the-top with fun and frolics if only the vomiting and binge-drinking and hooliganism can be kept to a minimum.

But tonight is New Year's Eve and every large city in the world will have its share of alcoholic outrages, Glasgow and Ottawa included.
31

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 31/12/2007 11:28:50
#31 I think you will find that the alcohol consumed per head of population will be the same in edinburgh as it is in glasgow. you seem to have an east coast bias for some reason.

Go watch the film Trainspotting.
32

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 31/12/2007 11:30:12
Incidently #31, i thought Mr angry's post was fairly mild.
33

Anonym,

somewhere 31/12/2007 11:39:33
Also agree with # 4. And #'s 1,2, and 3.

The introduction of barriers and tickets and stewards killed the party.

See # 19 for some pary-pooping satire!
34

Scotty,

edinburgh 31/12/2007 11:40:27
Christ, what a bunch of Hogmanay Scrooges you lot are.

The Tron? That was absolutely rubbish, just a load of pissheids fighting. This is a globally recognised event that costs a fiver for 4/5 stages of entertainment and full polis and medic coverage. Are you mad? Do you know how many millions this event brings into our city. Th efact that other cities are copying Edinburgh proves we are doing something right. All you Wee Free pinch-ersed killjoys can just go to bed early and let us real Scots celebrate in style!
35

morris,

edinburgh 31/12/2007 12:12:21
Edinburgh depends upon tourism for much of its economy.

The answer is compete !
If there are ever too many people again spread the band stages out over a wider area . Nobody said it had to all be in Princes Street . Every single suitable site in the city could be used, plus concerts at Murrayfield .WE HOST THE BIGGEST FESTIVAL in the WORLD for God sake,surely we can organise what is essntially a **** up in a brewery city !
Easter Road could house the PROCLAIMERS .The Reid twins always wanted to play there anyway!
Tynecastle could stage a performance of Lithuanian Highland Dancers starring Vlad !

MEADOWBANK could stage a performance of synchronised filling in a ballot paper correctly, and invite all the numpties along to see how its done !

And Spook could sing I am a TARTAN SPARTAN at City Park .


What more do you want?
36

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 31/12/2007 12:41:13
I have nothing but fond memories of the Tron, pipers reeling, every one kissing, big smiles, loads of whiskey and weed in the air, the bells, the roar, the craic and the snowball fights on the way home were nothing short of legendary.

2 Statsman, Scotland 31/12/2007 05:55:15, Spot on.

The commercial 'hogmanay' is not hogmanay, no pipes, predominantly english bands (Edinburgh) and loads of foreigners fighting in a sea of sick.

This is after all a Scottish Tradition sold short by greed moungers.

Bring back the free Tron and don't bloody advertise.I have not enjoyed a new year in Edinburgh since they introduced this pathetic Anglo-commercial cak.
37

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

31/12/2007 13:08:48
Like i said before its NOT world famous !

London puts it to shame. Its cold.

Beyond me why anyone would want to go to it unless you live dthere and even then.

I'v lived in 5 different countries and never seen a peep of an advertisment or news mention of edinburghs hogmany. Who are you kidding ?
38

Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 31/12/2007 13:46:29
London puts it self to shame very adequately,with our money, I add.

Not that I agree with it, however the Edinburgh Hogmanay street part exceeded the amount that Mardi gras had as a crowd. That is world famous. Our song "Auld lang syne" IS the most sung song in the world.

For some one who claims they have lived in 5 countries, you are both ignorant and shallow, yet thats what happens when you are an itinerant twit though.
39

Dylan fan,

Planet earth 31/12/2007 13:57:36
I appreciate anything on the culture of Scotland. It has been clouded forever by the mighty England...
I think it is high time Scotland stands alone and God knows , there has never been a braver lot. I find the history of Sotland that I have read...( not much) to be wars and blood up to the knee for centuries! Hard to get straight ...
The party looks great, and the more locations the better, room for all!
I am a lover of all things Scot. The world certainly knows you! We cover the planet..
40

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

31/12/2007 14:57:43
And you sound like a bigoted blinded scot ard righ.

dont you dare try that trick on me again, open your eyes man.
41

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

31/12/2007 15:01:09
I may add that you maybe smoked a bit too much weed, the tron was awful. Drunken teenagers , people throwing bottles up in the arid, urinating in the street and I hate to consider how much Hep B got passed around.

A Nightmare, an absolute nightmare.
42

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

31/12/2007 15:03:16
Ard , I will flick through my european channels tonight after 12 to count how many times I see edinburgh Hogmany.

Answer ? Once , for 5 minutes on BBC.

Get your stick out your ass.
43

henrymanchester,

UK 31/12/2007 16:39:48
Pay to stand around in a cold street?

Y-E-A-H like thats gonna be my priority on News Years Eve...

44

Kimy,

Edinburghs seaside 31/12/2007 17:56:10
I believe that the only way you should have to pay to celebrate the coming of the new year, is with a hangover! Happy New Year to you all, when it comes. I'm off to a house party with the hubby and our 3 and 8 year old boys.
45

Conan the Librarian™,

31/12/2007 19:04:12
Ah well.The wife is working,my local is being turned into "affordable" housing,the laddies are in two different countries and my daughter...is going to Princes St.
It IS for the young.

Perhaps I shall stagger out later with a bottle,hammering on my neighbours doors, while they quiver behind them with the lights out.

But probably not...
46

Isabel,

Edinburgh 31/12/2007 20:26:26
Party on Princes Street is not the traditional Scottish Hogmanay and I don't attend and get ripped-off and disappointed.
47

Shetland Dave,

edinburg 31/12/2007 23:03:54
The genuine Mario Anttoinette Why dont you p*** off back to one of the five counries you lived in you self opinionated pain in the ass.
48

Shetland Dave,

edinburgh 31/12/2007 23:06:11
sorry forgot the t in countries.
49

Kipling,

31/12/2007 23:59:55
Are we there yet?
50

Kipling,

01/01/2008 00:00:09
Now!
51

Kipling,

01/01/2008 00:01:45
Conspiracy! they fiddled the clock
52

S MacLeod,

Scotland 01/01/2008 04:44:07
HAPPY NEW YEAR SCOTLAND!!!
53

OUTRAGEOUS, NAMELESS and SHAMELESS,

Spewing over Pete Irvine's ghastly gay wallet 01/01/2008 12:19:36
How sad to think Scots would sink to this level of "entertainment".

The people behind this outrage are mostly ignorant or are total self-serving charlatans.

The rest of us are crazy to give them the licence to line their pockets. Exterminate!!!!!???xxx!!
54

bluehead,

edinburgh 01/01/2008 13:28:01
they should keep this going,it keeps all the drunks
in one place, it gives the rest of edinburgh some peace
away from the drunken morons,although I feel sorry for people who have to put up with the drunken rabble
Happy new year
55

rrr,

united states (visiting edinburgh) 02/01/2008 04:21:27
my first visit to edinburgh and hogmanay. the article references doing away with tickets and barriers...we were nearly crushed last night at 10:30 pm and had to climb over barriers to get out. i can only imagine how crushed it was at midnight. and this is while managing the attendance to ensure there is no repeat of 1996 crushing. without managing attendance, there would be more injuries.

overwhelming the people were friendly - even while crushing, pushing, etc. and overwhelmingly drunk...

if hogmanay is to continue, as an international visitor, i recommend to continue the tickets and attendance management. and recommend reducing the number of tickets and possibly increasing prices to offset the costs.
56

Mike S,

02/01/2008 09:14:55
#16 When did they change the name from Princes Street to the singular Princess Street?
57

gandana,

Edinburgh 02/01/2008 09:38:41
The novelty of the Edinburgh event has worn off. Two cancellations and at least two New Years Day of incessant rain. Keep some of the events but scrap the ridiculous midnight event which prevents residents from enjoying their city without a ticket

 
  

 
 


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