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Have some belief in faith schools



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Published Date: 12 May 2008
THE debate over the right of Catholics to keep their own schools has been reinvigorated by a splendid idea from the Scottish Tories.
Deputy leader Murdo Fraser, backed by my columnist colleague Brian Monteith, has suggested the Church of Scotland should set up its own state-funded schools, in part because they think such a move will involve more youngsters in the Kirk, and in the
long term boost the number of bums on pews.

The old adage of "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" springs to mind, as the call comes amid concern that there will soon be more church-going Catholics than Protestants.

But inevitably this has stirred up something of a hornet's nest, particularly among the antis, who have been campaigning for years to bring an end to Catholic education. The critics are, as usual, spouting a load of old waffle.

The most nonsensical argument is cost. It is a myth that Catholic schools cost the taxpayer an extra half-penny and the introduction of state Kirk schools would do nothing to change that.

The only way in which a faith school could be a burden on the taxpayer is if it was half full. Put simply, if a school can accommodate 800 pupils and it has 800 on the roll, whether these children are Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or a mixture of all makes absolutely no difference to the cost. All have to be educated. There are no "extra" schools.

Catholic schools are almost always full to bursting. Which brings us to the next myth – that faith schools somehow perpetuate bigotry and division.

There is nowhere more cosmopolitan than a Catholic primary school. Catholicism is a global religion, so the children are white, black, Chinese, you name it. Added to that, every school has a varying percentage of non-Catholics.

Muslim families especially favour Catholic schools because they want their children to be educated in a place where faith and morals – even if not precisely their own – have high priority. Of course, there is always a percentage (and a queue) of nominally Protestant, if not card-carrying, Kirk-going families because Catholic schools tend to perform very well.

The fact is that the rest of the state system threw the baby out with the bathwater many years ago – a trend that was formalised when the previous Executive abandoned the legal requirement on schools to conduct religious observance of "a broadly Christian nature".

Presumably the idea was to be all-embracing and politically correct. The effect was to turn faith into an academic lesson where pupils studied religions of the world as practised by other people, but spent no time at all acquiring their own.

Some would argue that the absence of faith, codes and formally-taught morality has a lot to answer for.

Needless to say, the Catholic Church supports the idea of Kirk schools too, with its spokesman, Peter Kearney, saying: "Scottish parents should have a right to a faith-based education for their children within the state sector."

The only weak point in the Tories' suggestion is their belief that Kirk schools would automatically swell the congregations of the future. Alas, if only it was as easy as that in today's secular world.

Catholic children are not Martians or programmed robots, and they are not conditioned or brainwashed by mad priests and nuns, as some extremists believe. At one time, perhaps. Now, like all other youngsters, they tend to drift away from church-going for some parts of their lives.

But they know – because they have been taught – the Church is there when they feel the need to return. Protestant children deserve no less.

Foreign fallacy
YOU have to admire council leader Jenny Dawe's optimism. On hearing that the city has spent £2 million in two years on extra services for immigrants, she insisted the benefits of the foreign influx outweighed any costs.

Presumably she knows better than the House of Lords and young people in Edinburgh looking for jobs or training – either of whom would tell her that she is wrong. The "hard work ethic" has been exposed as "willing to accept low pay and long hours".

The "high skills" simply remove the need for employers to train our own young.

No-one can blame the immigrants – they are simply making the most of their opportunities and, unlike Jenny Dawe, are under no obligation to care about indigenous Scottish children and workers.

Give me a break
PHILIP Riddle, chief executive of VisitScotland, thinks the credit crunch will do wonders for our tourism, with more people holidaying at home. I think not.

Scottish food prices are the highest in the UK. The National Farmers Union of Scotland says that because of the crunch we are now exporting so much beef, Scots will have less on their plates. Fuel charges in Scotland are crippling, and having just spent a week in the Highlands, I can testify that neither the attitude nor pricing is conducive to a return.







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  • Last Updated: 12 May 2008 8:44 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Helen Martin
 
1

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 12/05/2008 13:00:12
A lunatic idea. We'll end up with Scientology schools if we go down this route. We're better to use schools to educate children and keep the superstition at home.
2

Seabhag,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 13:49:57
1 - Totally right. How can the state turn around to Jews, Sikhs, Muslims etc etc and say "No" when they too ask for public money to set up their "faith" school? Come to think it, given that there is no register or definition of religion, I could set up my own weird sect tomorrow, call it a "faith" and demand a few million from the state to set up my school.
3

me150,

12/05/2008 15:42:32
RASCISM!!!!!!

My son is being excluded fron St Martins RC Primary School in Tranent because he is not Roman Catholic.
4

Kissy Suzuki,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 16:52:05
"Catholic children are not Martians or programmed robots..."
That statement says it all. Helen, they are not "Catholic children." Children are not born Catholic, Jewish, Muslim or Protestant. They are children with Catholic, Jewish, Muslim or Protestant parents. The children are not choosing to be any of the above.So yes they are being programmed, as you put it.
Faith schools - and religions - create division and labels of "them and us" which otherwise do not exist. They have no place in a modern Scotland, UK, Europe or anywhere else.
5

SP1,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 17:35:49
At last some recognition for the success of Catholic Schools. For so long either bigots or people following the crowd have attacked Catholic Schools ignoring the fact these are amongst the best attend and educationally successful Schools in Scotland. Which, remember, benefit the Scottish economy and society in general. They don't cause division, a complete myth peddled by those with their own agenda. No body says fee paying Schools cause division!!
In any other country we would be proud of these Schools, but what we get is begrudging acceptance or down right hostility!
6

gus1940,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 19:22:59
Take all religion out of schools.

Teach the difference between right and wrong which is pretty well covered by 'do unto others as you would be done by', tell the truth at all times and never break a promise.

The individual religions should bear the responsibility and total cost of religious education.
7

neds-r-us,

12/05/2008 19:53:46
Keep the priests out of schools and do not poison the minds of children with such rubbish as god or gods.

They do not exist except in the minds of credulous men and women.

Any god or gods are merely the imaginary friends of people who cannot face up to the fact that this is the only life we have. There is no afterlife or heaven or any other such concept.

All superstitions whether moslem, christian, hindu or sikh are used to keep the working classes and women in their place. They are a very effective means of social control.

Abolish all taxpayer funded schools which are based on superstition. Starting with the catholic superstition first.
8

neds-r-us,

12/05/2008 19:55:04
Keep the priests out of schools and do not poison the minds of children with such rubbish as god or gods.

They do not exist except in the minds of credulous men and women.

Any god or gods are merely the imaginary friends of people who cannot face up to the fact that this is the only life we have. There is no afterlife or heaven or any other such concept.

All superstitions whether moslem, christian, hindu or sikh are used to keep the working classes and women in their place. They are a very effective means of social control.

Abolish all taxpayer funded schools which are based on superstition. Starting with the catholic superstition first.
9

Black Beard,

20/05/2008 18:48:58
6. You say take religion out of schools then quote the bible in the next breath. Matthew 7:12 Make up your mind.

 

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