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Hearts' £12m debt cut plan is welcomed



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Published Date: 08 July 2008
HEARTS' owner Vladimir Romanov's plan to reduce the club's debt by £12 million has been given a cautious welcome from a leading football business analyst.
Romanov's attempt to consolidate the Tynecastle club's financial position will begin with a 'debt for equity' plan which aims to remove 30 per cent of Hearts' debt. The proposal will see overall debt at the club reduced from £36.5m to around £24.5m. It will also remove the burden of £600,000 of interest per annum.

If the motion is passed at an extraordinary general meeting at the end of this month then a £12 million portion of the debt due to Ukio Banko Investicine, Romanov's investment company, will be converted into 34.2 million newly created ordinary shares.

"The debt for equity plan provides further evidence of UBIG's aim to continue to develop Hearts on and off the field, and, together with continued cost efficiencies, help the club reach profitability," said a statement released by the club yesterday.

Charles Barnett, a partner at leading accountancy firm PKF, described the move as "good news" for Hearts supporters, although he sounded a cautionary note when pointing out that no new money was being injected into the club. He also said it was worth remembering that, while it improves the club's financial position, there is little sense in rejoicing at being just £24 million in debt.

"It is good news," said Barnett. "It is taking debt from the Hearts balance sheet. And it is saving the club in excess of £600 000 worth of interest. But it has to be tempered by the fact this is not new money. It improves the strength of the club, albeit possibly from a weak condition, if one can put it that way."

The converting of £12 million of debt into shares will increase Romanov's stake in the club from 82 per cent to 95 per cent and dilute further the collective stake of individual shareholders from around 18.5 per cent to less than five per cent.

However, shareholders have welcomed the move. Alex Gowans, chairman of the Heart of Midlothian Shareholders' Association, said it was "excellent news" and helped stem nagging doubts that Romanov was planning to walk away. "It has really reinforced Romanov's long-term stance on the development of Hearts," added Gowans.

Former Hearts chairman Leslie Deans also believes the initiative is evidence that Romanov is in it for the long haul.

"I would like to see the club's debt lower but this is a sensible way forward and demonstrates commitment from the majority shareholder," said Deans.

"Not only does it reduces the club's debt, it is a demonstration of faith. It sends an important message to the fans."

Barnett, a partner at PKF accountants, agreed the move was not one which suggested Romanov was preparing to cut his ties with the club anytime soon.

"You wouldn't do this if you were looking to sell," he said. "I am sure there are many who will choose to have a go at him. But I think people have to stand back and have a look at what he is trying to achieve, certainly with this announcement.

"Other football clubs in Scotland have done similar exercises before," continued Barnett. "Sir David Murray did something similar with Rangers, with a larger amount of debt. But the principle is the same.

"While it is positive there is still a long way to go in terms of returning to profitability. It's only one factor in why the club loses money. In football, as in any other business these days, you have to balance your expenditure."

The full article contains 611 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 07 July 2008 10:22 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Heart of Midlothian FC
 
1

bring them on,

08/07/2008 00:02:41
Getting ready for the big sell off...
2

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

08/07/2008 00:12:18
Was that why Rangers did it? As one of the 4.93% of "Others" with shares in Hearts, this is good news.
3

Der Kaiser,

08/07/2008 00:12:45
Aye, very good Vlad.....manager please.
4

Der Kaiser,

08/07/2008 00:15:48
1#
"Barnett, a partner at PKF accountants, agreed the move was not one which suggested Romanov was preparing to cut his ties with the club anytime soon"

Pray tell BTO, which accountancy firm do you work for?

You should have just said "tick tock"...everybody else does.
5

Van City Hibee,

i work for der kaiser and sons accountants, heard 08/07/2008 00:24:43
tick tock
6

SAME RULES APPLY !!!,

08/07/2008 00:25:34
£12 million off the debt.
What does it buy that was not there before?
A warchest well spent.
Vlad is finally facing the realities of life in the SPL.
Never mind a manager, he should be headhunting the much maligned Petrie.

SAME RULES APPLY !!!

7

Der Kaiser,

08/07/2008 00:33:37
5#
Could have sworn I fired you for stealing silverware.
8

r1niceboy,

Yankeeland 08/07/2008 00:49:50
I posted this when people were going off on the original story (Billy orange and the Hobos were reaching for doom and gloom).

There are a whole bunch of reasons why the debt can't be made to disappear, the main one being that taxes are due when a gift is made. The debt wouldn't be cleared, it would be paid off, and if it's to Hearts' benefit, they'd owe taxes on that donation.

Besides, there all kinds of laws in most countries stopping companies from gladhanding their other subsidiaries like that. All assets, Hearts being one, have to be in financial and legal equilibrium within the confines of the free market. In the US it's called anti-trust, and you better believe the EU has even more stringent standards if dealing with non EU countires like Lithuania.

The share creation is Hearts only financial leverage, but I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner, or issue more shares to Vlad's bank.

As it is, the 36 mill, minus Gordon's 9 mill and this 12mill, should put the debt at a manageable level. If only they'd show such business acumen on the pitch.
9

bring them on,

08/07/2008 01:10:36
#4

PKF... Who are they?

I still see it as getting ready to pull the plug.

We will see. After all, Romanov has been upfront all along.
10

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 01:16:39
#10

The Gordon money has not disapeared, honestly where do you imbiciles get your info or theories from...starting to believe you really are at the wind ups because no-one can be as thick as you lot an certainly not as many...

HMFC accounts run from August Till July the Gordon money and Bednar money will appear on the next set of accounts....but dont believe me check it up for yourself....perhaps a little knowledge on the subject you care to comment on may help next time and save you making a fool of yourself
11

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 01:19:22
#11

http://www.pkf.co.uk/

Again a little more knowledge before you open your mouth does help before commenting and making a fool of yourself
12

bring them on,

08/07/2008 01:24:34
#13

Just as I thought. A third tier firm that was looking to get a wee mention in the news.

Let me tell you, this is another stich up by Romanov.

All the signs are there.
13

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 01:25:59
#14

Yeah like the 8 million or so hibs raked in on transfer fees has disapeared and nothing to show for it no re-investment..

Remind me what was the score on sunday?

Humped in the intertattie what a disgrace to scottish football a total embarassment

what was the attendance again 7000 or so? big support for a big team yeah right...minnows
14

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 01:28:13
#15 Not the most intelligent are you

"We are a top-ten firm of accountants and business advisers who specialise in advising growing and entrepreneurial businesses, AIM and fully listed companies, and public and not-for-profit organisations. You may be a client, a potential client or a future colleague but whoever you are, we believe we have something special to offer you."

But I suppose you know better eh? maybe you should call trading standards for them saying there in the top ten of accountants as thats illegal to say they are if there not..
15

bring them on,

08/07/2008 01:29:06
#16

I will answer. Hibs got cuffed 2-0, but they are still good enough to beat Hearts.

I think that summarises the situation.
16

bring them on,

08/07/2008 01:30:04
#17

They're a diddy firm with a diddy name.
17

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 01:32:00
#18

What was the score in the last derby?

18

Albert Kidd's 86 allstars,

Melbourne 08/07/2008 01:33:01
This looks like a win win situation. Hearts fans get to think better of the future at the club while Vlad takes another ten percent of the club by simply writing off debt he incurred. You cannot fault the business logic of it all no matter how machevelian it all seems. He has even more of a strangle hold over the club now and can move with further impunity in any direction he wants.
That is a little worrying for Jambos considering all the great stuff he's done already...
Oh I forgot, he did win you the SC and split the OF. Even though, lets face it, he did try to sabotage that too.
24 mil debt is better for you no matter how you look at though.
My question for Hearts fans is, should i start 'bricking' it again now tha this has been announced?
19

bring them on,

08/07/2008 01:37:40
KGB, PKF....what will it be next.
20

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 01:42:21
#21

Hit the nail on the head, no matter what, the reduction in the debt is very much welcomed. TBH There isnt much more of a stranglehold Vlad could have anyway. As was stated earlier today this 12million plus 9million Gordon money and 2.3 million Bednar money will reduce the debt to approx 13million. Then of course there will be losses incurred that then need adding to that, but the losses will be significantly less than last year, there isnt 1million for a planning application etc, the wages have been reduced, not the same level of severence pay or player registrations. so say a loss of 5million in total brngs the overall debt to approx 18million give or take. This is less than what the debt was when Vlad took over.
21

bring them on,

08/07/2008 01:43:48
#25

Keep on kidding yourself...
22

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 01:47:33
#23

Ahhh two bigot brothers...you have a cheek going into Hearts finances...haha how many millions are rangers in debt? Murray has been trying to dump you lot for ages...only problem was no-one would take on the debt...ring any bells.....now it will be even harder trying to dump you lot....no credible business will touch you after you disgraced the nation in manchester...

Demolition? like the 4-2 demolition we handed out to you? 4-2 going on 7-2...and you only gotyour 2 goals because we eased up and took our foot off the gas.

Jog on son...your a half wit ive no time for talking to inbred, bigotted weegie filth
23

Dood,

08/07/2008 01:52:47
#20.

A mature retort. Well done.

What were the final league placings?

Touche.
24

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 01:54:53
#28

My last reply to you since your obviously a child or the buckie has gone to your head...there was also 4million in share options that SMG did not take up which needed paying back. That was the whole reason for Robinson wanting to sell Tynecastle.
25

Albert Kidd's 86 allstars,

Melbourne 08/07/2008 01:57:14
#25, Morning JT&T, I'd reckon the loss may actually come as a nasty little surprise this year, you'r accounts wont feature a cup run or Europe this time either, as much as the money from eithe of those isn't vast it would have helped to keep costs down the lst couple of years to some extent. I'm reckoning that while the outgoing will be significantly reduced you're probably looking at 8-8.5 mil of loss this last year. So possibly a breakeven scenario after CG and RB's dosh is taken into account. I am merely speculating this though, as judgment on previous years and actual cost cutting probably hasn't been what you'd hope. High earners still there and lower gate receipts must figure.

Anyway enough of the economic guff, Hope you get a mamnager soon cos I dont want any excuses when we gub you in the league next season, eh???

Ah, the banter...
26

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 01:57:50
#29 maybe not my last reply.....

Yeah the 4-2 win was sweeter....why you ask....because had you won that game you would have won the league...same can be said for the other games you lost, but knowing we helped contribute to you scvm not winning the league is sweet enough for me...
27

bring them on,

08/07/2008 01:58:00
#31

The share options had no value.

Null point.
28

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 02:02:12
#32

I think the excuses are already there m8...MIXU will have known before hand he would be beaten again from the JT's....His comments may go something along the lines of

"I half expected what happened. That's why I was so strong in my comments in the couple of weeks before the game. I knew it would be difficult facing a quality team in our first game."

Haha ahhh the banter alright
29

Dances with Rods,

08/07/2008 02:08:34
Congrats, only in Gorgie could you find 'gloating' support for losing more of your little control of the club to MAD VLAD.

GGTTH
30

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 02:08:36
#34

4million pound no value? hahaha what planet are you on? seriously you have to stop those drugs. the 4million was for a share issue which SMG had the option to convert that 4million to shares. They did not take up that option so therefore the 4million was owed back to them immediately, this created a problem as Robinson did not have the 4million, he had to sell Tynecastle. When Romanov bought Hearts he paid SMG the 4million out of his own pocket. If Vlad had not bought us SMG would have called on the bank to foreclose thus meaning administration.
31

bring them on,

08/07/2008 02:15:52
#38

You don't half churn out some nonsense.

"4 million for a share issue which SMG had the option to convert that 4 million to shares"


You might as well say, 2,000 for a new car which the owner had the option to convert the 2,000 to a new car.

Have a lie doon, and don't confuse yourself anymore.
32

Dood,

08/07/2008 02:18:12
Stand by chaps, this is great news!!!!!

Everything in the garden's rosy!!!!

The debt is minimal!!!!

In fact - Does is really exist at all????

Vlad is Good!!!!

Champions League, here we come!!!!

NOT.

Keep beLIEving.

Sheep.
33

Dood,

08/07/2008 02:29:20
#41. Cheers, I do feel slightly better now!! Yesterday wasn't good although expected. Having said that, I do hope for large dollops of improvement betweem now and 09/08/2008.

I'm glad that someone from your side agrees. This man is systematically dismantling your football club and few seem to be realising it. You get weeks of negativity and then he cunningly releases something like this - HEY PRESTO!!!! Everythings rosy again. Trawl through last weeks threads, myself and others predicted something along these lines. I don't take satisfaction in this, I'm genuinely sad at the demise.

34

Dood,

08/07/2008 02:37:12
#43 - Sentiments still stand.

Ya mingin weegie!
35

Dood,

08/07/2008 02:43:39
#45. Neither can Elfsborg.........
36

GeorgeCowieOrWalterKidd?,

08/07/2008 03:05:20
#40 Hearts fans as sheep? Or just folk who enjoy going to games? Hmmm, tough one. So you feel like you've had value for money over the years do you as a Hibs fan? Remember we pay the same to go to games as you do.
37

Lovetruncheon404,

08/07/2008 03:10:20
innit great! live tard baiting.

anyways, how the hell did hearts get x million quid in debt? their team is sh1te, their ground is sh1te...all to finish second once and win a scottish cup...where did it all go!

:o)
38

Jon Bon Jovi,

08/07/2008 03:29:50

does having over 90% shares mean that vlad can buy out the other shareholders??

this move maybe good in the short term but if hearts unravel; its really bad news...

and as for UKIO this is good news as its less debt on their books meaning their credit rating should increase... so its not all about hearts, some of you yams need to consider the bigger picture and what impact this will have on the club!!!
39

jambocanuck,

Burnaby BC 08/07/2008 03:30:26
Better than nothing, Hearts supporters, at least it goes in the direction of paying off the debt which is on every jambo's christmas wish list. Hibbies just stick with your big donkey coach shitalaainen, humped by no name Swede chancers not very good i'm afraid. Why can't imbeciles that support either ugly sister refrain from commenting on a Hearts story no one welcomes their vitriolic interference?
40

bring them on,

08/07/2008 03:34:35
#50

I believe the 90% rule is still in force.
41

jambocanuck,

Burnaby BC 08/07/2008 03:41:42
I don't wan't old firm fans(glad you recognised yourself) commenting on Hearts stories because you and your ilk will never have anything positive to say about the JT's whether there is some positive news or not!
42

bring them on,

08/07/2008 03:44:43
They have a nice strip.
43

r1niceboy,

yankeeland 08/07/2008 03:44:50
I still don't know why they didn't put out a bigger share offering, in exchange for wiping out more of the debt. If you consider, post Gordon and Bednar sales, the debt is at 25 mill, this 12 will not even half the debt if the intrest is taken into account.

A second such deal should follow, I'm thinking, possibly when results are bad on the pitch and the fans are needing distracted by a shiny object.
44

bring them on,

08/07/2008 03:46:11
#56 cont'd

of land that could be used to build flats.
45

Van City Hibee,

i USED to work for der kaiser and sons 08/07/2008 03:52:47
#7 Have to admit that made me laugh.

46

jambocanuck,

Burnaby BC 08/07/2008 03:58:35
the pundit; i'm negative about all non-jambos football views before I get to know them, I stress Football views! Love the new tops, a tribute to Ajax my favourite other club, and all maroon at home which I had hoped for two or three seasons ago when the idea was mooted.
47

jambocanuck,

Burnaby BC 08/07/2008 03:58:35
the pundit; i'm negative about all non-jambos football views before I get to know them, I stress Football views! Love the new tops, a tribute to Ajax my favourite other club, and all maroon at home which I had hoped for two or three seasons ago when the idea was mooted.
48

jambocanuck,

Burnaby BC 08/07/2008 04:23:28
ok pundit I digress; you are the most reasonable "rangers fan!" I have ever read and were I catholic I would surely petition for your anointment. Are you Gordon Smith in disguise?
49

lonegersfan,

Hamilton NZ 08/07/2008 05:11:50
will this be the end of Hearts. will they follow gretna and go broke. Will Hibs try and buy out hearts, like hearts tried to when Hibs were in a bad situation
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08/07/2008 06:37:23
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08/07/2008 06:41:15
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morontija,

Lithuania 08/07/2008 06:58:40
#9 Lithuania in EU already for 4 years :)
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08/07/2008 07:19:22
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08/07/2008 07:22:39
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BRUHibs,

08/07/2008 07:41:30
Vlad continues to take the Michael Stewart here. I commend Jambo's for going to see the Lithuania national team for the last 2 years in great numbers and the fact that they feel that things may still turn around with Vlad. In addition all the players are running for the door and you cannot get a manager. You will be in for harder times soon. Hibs though invest profits to balance the books and there is the training ground. Boring, astute maybe but reality and security. Mixu must go though after the JJ debacle and the fact that he cannot attract good players, never mind get the best out of the players he has.
57

Albert Kidd's 86 allstars,

Melbourne 08/07/2008 07:43:27
Riley, is there any particular reason you ask that same question over and over? I'm sure someone has already provided you with the answer, or alternatively you could do a wee bit of detective work and find out so we can all be in the know.
I am old enough to remember Hearts being relegated twice, as I am old enough to remember Hibs being relegated twice. There you go that's at least a 30 something view of their top flight status.
Not sure why you care though, as apparently you dont give a tinkers cuss or whatever.
Please go and research your own information and please by all means take as long as you like getting back to everyone here at the Provisional SPL...
Oh yeah,one more thing.











You're a complete felcher...
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Ian.M,

North Ayrshire 08/07/2008 07:51:21
When I read this I had to check to see it wasn't April 1st!!
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Weel Kent Jambo,

08/07/2008 08:12:20
#75 Give it a rest Biley. We've been relegated twice and on one occasion failed to get immediate promotion. So what? Every team outwith the OF has played in a lower division than the SPL/old 1st division so there's no loss of face there, eh?

Just a reminder that over all competitions last season Hearts beat every other team in the SPL. So you're claim doesn't stack up eh?

You don't wind me up son - just make me sorry for your parents. What did they do to deserve you?
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Weel Kent Jambo,

08/07/2008 08:14:07
#72 Aye you enjoy polishing your balance sheet then.
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Bigwull,

edinburgh 08/07/2008 08:28:06
76 to be fair Aberdeen have never been relegated, I stand to be corrected tho'(hopefully)
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Scoop in the City,

08/07/2008 08:44:25
If there is a major story on Hibs or Hearts, the Scotsman should make up a story about Celic or Rankgers, as a honey pot to keep the Old Firm trolls away from decent chat and banter. Can you please go somewhere else where you can express your hatred for each other.
66

bring them on,

08/07/2008 08:46:02
I enjoy a wee Hearts thread.
67

Glorious Hearts,

08/07/2008 08:48:15
Re. this financial news;

Leading accountants claim this is a good move for Hearts

Leading local commentators claim "tick tock"

I wonder who to believe...
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Weel Kent Jambo,

08/07/2008 08:48:53
#79 Yeah, I know that and that's why I worded my post very carefully! Been listening to too many politicians I guess ;o)
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 08/07/2008 08:49:31
It is amazing how many bigot brothers and hobos are once again confounding the experts with their pathetic attempts to pour scorn on yesterday's great news for Hearts.

Even when a professional from the highly regarded PKF gives the scheme the thumbs up, there continues to be those numbwits (who don't even live in this country) who appear to know better - how pathetic.
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Weel Kent Jambo,

Galashiels 08/07/2008 08:50:45
#80 - See my #84. Why don't you read and understand what people say? At no point did I say Aberdeen had been relegated. Right into my trap, pillock.
(donkey noises from offstage).
71

bring them on,

08/07/2008 08:52:17
#85

Wake up. PKF are a second rate outfit (at best) of ex-barrow boys pretending to be financial advisors.

Yes, Hearts are lucky to have them commenting on the situation. That will give everyone real confidence.

Dear, oh dear...
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Glorious Hearts,

08/07/2008 08:55:08
#85 It's incredible eh?
"Never let the facts get in the way of a good opinion" seems to be a frequently used motto here.

Bottom line- who cares? We don't need the approval of hibee and OF keyboard warriors to know that this is a very good thing for our club.
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Weel Kent Jambo,

Perth 08/07/2008 08:55:32
#85 It's because they don't read the article first. Just look at the headline and then take a heider straight in with their drivel.

Bizarrely, the best explanation of what's been proposed is at the bottom of today's new manager article.
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Glorious Hearts,

08/07/2008 08:58:30
#89 True.
For the benefit of the hard of thinking;

"Overall, the move should reinforce Romanov's commitment to Hearts. The conspiracy theory that he will walk away and close the club is not consistent with writing off £12 million in exchange for what would be a worthless shareholding. Likewise, for those who fear Romanov is an asset stripper, the level of debt would still wipe out the proceeds of a ground sale."
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Weel Kent Jambo,

Auchtermuchty 08/07/2008 09:01:03
The arithmetic used even by the reporters is questionable. What they are doing is taking the last reported debt amount and then deducting the value of this equity for debt to arrive a new debt figure even although the last reported debt did not take into account the Gordon/Bednar/whoever else transfer fees. I'd like to think that the overall debt situation at the end of this financial year will be some way under the £24m being touted (and will be really p'd off if it's not).
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Lenny,

08/07/2008 09:09:38
This can only be seen as good news for Hearts. Its pretty petty to claim otherwise. Obviously there is still a huge debt so I cant see the club spending much for the coming season. It seems however that many Hearts fans have entered the real world and realise that the Debt MUST be cut. Praise where its due to the Mad Vlad one.

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Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 09:10:12
#91

I think all the reporter is doing is stating the last debt level at the last reported set of accounts. In a way you are correct though, myself and others pointed out yesterday that there is still a further 11.3million at least to be taken off that debt amount thats the transfer fees for Gordon and Bednar so overall there should be a minimum of £23.3million being wiped from the debt when the next set of accounts are published.
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Weel Kent Jambo,

Stornoway 08/07/2008 09:15:38
#92 - Nice one Lenny. Just kind of bears out what we've saying all along that our debt situation is different to normal due to our being an integrated part of a larger group that includes a bank. Good bit of business - if only he was as clever on the manager/playing front so only a partial thumbs up from me at the moment.
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Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 09:17:29
#92 Mornin Lenny hows you?

The voice of reason and sensibility at last from the Hibs quarter.

Some of the comments regarding this yesterday and today, have been boardering on insane m8. Or panic that Vlad is actually doing something right for once and panic that the reality of Hearts NOT going out of business and thwarting their little agendas and hopes of us going down the swany is driving them nuts.

Theres been claims of its a "Get out plan"
Vlad will only have more control to do what he wants.
why not pay off all the debt, its a scam etc etc

Those sensible enough like yourself can see this can only be a good thing for Hearts.
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Weel Kent Jambo,

Leith 08/07/2008 09:19:08
#93 - Only trouble is that if we were living outwith our means then the debt from high wages and interest charges etc may have crept up a bit and eaten up some of the transfer income. Maybe we are just back to the level where we started after the pieman?
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Ronaldo Stuffed Everyone,

08/07/2008 09:20:34
Hibbie logic: Hearts have to much debt. Vlad announces plans to reduce debt - Hobo response, this is bad news for hearts and the club will be sold. The only exception seems to have been Lenny.

The reality is Hearts supporters can look forward to this exercise being repeated until the debt is clear.
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GrahamL,

08/07/2008 09:24:01
I just don't see how this could be a bad thing.
I know a bit about accountancy, but am not even close to being an expert on these things. And there's plenty of people round here who claim to be. And who know better than qualified accountants, so I guess there's nothing I can add to the good/bad debate.

One question - if anyone actually knows about these things. Vlad now has more than 95% of the shares, is there anything he can do now that he couldn't have done with his previous share?
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Big T,

08/07/2008 09:24:05
TICK.....106 YEARS....TOCK.....

TICK.....107 YEARS.....TOCK.....
84

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 09:25:17
#96

Definately m8, there will be more debt being added to that so it will have crept back up after the 23.3mill is taken off, Although i dont expect there to be quite the same increase on debt as there was last year, wages have been cut, 1million right away has been saved as 1million last year was for the planning process and application for new stand. there will not be the same level 3million+ it was on player registrations last year, severence pay etc should be down. So overall outgoings shuld have been cut dramatically. On top of that though we had record sales for strips etc. overall id hope the outgoing has been cut by maybe 3-4million. and yes we should be about even from when Vlad took over even better if we are below.
85

Jambo-ree,

08/07/2008 09:26:32
Mornin' guys - take from the amount of red that's Biley's been on early today? Best ignored.

Yep, sounds like some good news (at last). Maybe messages that the natives were getting restless have been getting through to Vlad. Still not happy enough to invest in a ST though and won't be until we get a 'proper' manager.

As WKJ says maybe we're back at square 1 and ready to start again so let's hope Plan B is better. Still I suppose it keeps the Hibbee's minds off their own abject display (Lenny excepted - cheers for that)
86

We love fitba,

google! 08/07/2008 09:27:19
That's the embryonic protest skewered, then. I look forward to another season of uninterrupted Vladness.
87

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 09:28:57
#98 Graham

People yesterday were claiming this will only give vlad more power etc, and were told that there wasnt much more power he could have that he didnt have already. This article has actually stated that as well. he has 82% of the club already he is increasing to 95% that extra 13% gives him no more power or extras that he didnt already have. So it makes no difference.
88

Lenny,

08/07/2008 09:29:21
GF

Morning to you bud. Too many people on here (Jambo's included) just cannot see any good in their rivals and have to pick holes an anything which seems positive. But I fail to see any negatives in this. Its not like it really gives Vlad or the bank more control as they could already do what they wanted anyway. From a bank point of view it reduces the debt on one of their entities thus improving their own credit rating.
89

Lenny,

08/07/2008 09:31:48
Weel Kent Jambo

I do still fully expect a puppet to be announced as manager for you guys. And until that issue is resolved there will always be problems. You could say that Vlad is a rather difficult one to figure out!!!
90

Pud Pu,

NYC 08/07/2008 09:31:55
I will be helping raise funds for our cousins on the 12th. Its at times like this we close ranks. No Surrender !!!!!!
91

Weel Kent Jambo,

Ayr 08/07/2008 09:33:56
#100 It's going to be a l-----o-----n-----g time before we find out though and even then the situation may be confused by borrowing for the new (proposed) stand.

#101 Yep he was here and made a real orifice of himself again.
92

Weel Kent Jambo,

08/07/2008 09:36:48
#105 - That's my concern. Just how much has he learned and how much has he taken onboard?

#106 Naff off from here with your sectarian nonsense. It and you are not welcome.
93

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 09:37:20
#104

Yeah m8, Vlad could announce he is wiping all the debt there will still be those that would try to pick holes in it and find a negative from somewhere. Basically this will make it a lot easire for us to start trading our way out of debt and become a profitable business, it will allow us to do this in a shorter timescale as well. Vlads intention was always for Hearts to trade themselves out of debt, the guys a businessman and a very good one why wipe out a debt when it can be traded out of, there is also tax issues i believe which makes it more viable to remain in debt and trade your way out as opposed to wiping it all out.

Still though as others have alredy said we welcome this news but I still have no intention of renewing or should say purchasing my season ticket yet until the on field problems are sorted. If only Vlad was as astute team wise and manager wise as he is astute in business
94

GrahamL,

08/07/2008 09:38:21
#103 Cheers. That's pretty much what I'd assumed. Just thought the only possible downside to this would be if owning 95% of the shares opened up some options to Vlad that he didn't have with 82% of the club (no idea what mind, and no intention of trawling through pages of regulation to find out) so though it'd be quicker to just ask the question.
There's plenty of people here willing to do the leg work for us if there's a chance it'll produce a nugget of anti-vlad info. Just look at how may Hibees can quote chapter and verse on our last set of accounts. Or the UBIG financial situation. Or the Lithuanian economy. Or Russian football agents. Or the inner machinations of the FSA...
95

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 09:45:03
#110

If anything I think it may mean he does not have to publish accounts, Im no expert on the ins and outs of that but just picking up and what a couple of the hboeconimists said yesterday. However what they failed to realise or mention is if this is the case he may not have to publicly display accounts, however will still have to submit detailed yearly accounts to the Tax Office etc
96

victorian of gorgie ,

08/07/2008 09:45:54
the usual fools embarrassing themselves and getting themselves way out of their depth again is see.

this debt reduction plan is a positive step for hearts.

LIVE WITH IT.

that seems to be the trouble, certain cretins have been used to taking the pi** for so long that they appear not to be able to handle a little bit of good news for us and will stop at NOTHING in order to try and spin this as yet another negative.

pathetic.

97

GrahamL,

08/07/2008 09:48:32
#111 Ah, that's why they're upset. They'll miss out on their bedtime reading if there's no published accounts!
98

Jambo-ree,

08/07/2008 09:49:27
#110 - Dunno if you've seen it yet but there's a good summary of the situation at the bottom of the story about the manager. Key quote from that is "Tellingly, the increase in Romanov's shareholding makes no difference to his level of control at Tynecastle, which is absolute already. Power is not his motivation this time."

#111 If Hearts remain (even nominally) a plc then I'd expect accounts would still have to be published to other shareholders.
99

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 09:50:09
#112 Mornin Vic

It could almost be seen as fear or worry, that Vlad is doing something right, that all there little drivelings and theories about Vlad selling up or going bust have just been ripped from them and they hate it. The fact that every credible source has said theis only re-afirms Vlads intentions as good and that he is here for the long-haul really bites into them, as it totally contradicts all there agendas
100

victorian of gorgie ,

08/07/2008 09:53:31
#114 J-r, laughable as it is, that's the spin the red-tops have put on it, that vlad is tightening his vice-like grip on the club and that he is making himself less accountable.

anything to make big bad vlad out to be doing something underhand eh?
101

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 09:53:36
#114

Thats what i would have thought as well m8, there is still going to be 5% shareholders, they are entitles to have access to Yearly accounts. As i said I wasnt sure how that worked if he Still had to publicly display accounts or just allow shareholders access. Either way we will still find out.
102

GrahamL,

08/07/2008 09:54:28
#116 And what difference does any of that make?
Or are you just posting numbers to convince yourself reading the Hearts accounts wasn't a complete waste of your valuable time?
103

Gorgie's Finest,

08/07/2008 09:56:28
#116 Fake Lith

Far be it for you to spin a negative? your having a giraffe arent you? It's all you ever try to do....Debt being wiped getting to you is it? The fact This news wipes out your little agenda must be hurting....all those exclusives and predictions wiped out in one days news.....must really be hurting and foaming at the mouth....never mind biley will ease your pain later for you
104

Jambo-ree,

08/07/2008 09:56:40
#117 yeah - I think they realise he's making monkeys out of them.....still the average Sun reader doesn't care who runs Hearts as long as she's got big knockers
105

ValdasTheMan,

Edinburgh 08/07/2008 09:56:44
#9 Lithuania is an EU country, muppet.