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Published Date: 02 October 2008
TENS of thousands more children are to get free school meals under plans by the Scottish Government.
From next August, those eligible will include the children of parents on the maximum working tax credit, resulting in an extra 44,000 pupils receiving free meals.

Adam Ingram, the children's minister, revealed the move ahead of an evaluation of a
free school meals pilot, which is published today. The report is expected to praise the scheme, under which primary 1-3 children in five local authority areas across Scotland received free, healthy lunches last year.

"We are trying to target people who would benefit from free school meals but whom the entitlement doesn't actually stretch to at the moment," he said. "People are losing out who should be entitled."

Mr Ingram said it would help many families facing financial difficulty.

He went on: "We want to improve the health of children by improving eating habits.

"If we can change a child's palate in early years so they ask for good food, we can lose some of the bad habits which can have bad health effects later in life."

Parents and poverty campaigners described the move as a positive step forward.

John Dickie, head of the Child Poverty Action Group in Scotland, said: "It is a very welcome step toward ensuring every child, whatever their home circumstances, gets a healthy meal during the school day.

"It will help boost children's health, education and wellbeing and provide a really welcome benefit to hard-pressed families across Scotland."

Those currently eligible include pupils with parents entitled to income support, income-based jobseekers allowance, or in receipt of child tax credit, but not working tax credit, with income of less than £15,575 in 2008-09.

Mr Dickie said many children officially recognised as living in poverty were currently excluded because of the narrow eligibility criteria. "Extending it to include children in families who receive working tax credit will reach more children in need," he said.

An estimated 110,000 children are living in poverty in Scotland, with 105,000 currently entitled to free school meals.

But Labour claimed that the SNP Government was taking a decision to expand free school meals without providing any more money for councils to implement the policy.

Labour education spokeswoman Rhona Brankin said: "The SNP are shirking their responsibility as a government. It seems that Fiona Hyslop is demanding councils deliver free school meals without providing a single extra penny to pay for it."

And she added: "Local authorities are already struggling to employ newly qualified teachers and class sizes are rising. In some schools there isn't even enough money for photocopying. Free school meals won't be delivered unless SNP Ministers are prepared to pay for them."










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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/10/2008 00:25:27


" "It is a very welcome step toward ensuring every child, whatever their home circumstances, gets a healthy meal during the school day,
It will help boost children's health, education and wellbeing"


WELL!,, 'BLOW ME DOWN'!, You should be doing this anyway, and it is not before time, may I add!

Question is! Why Now,?

Welcomed,..Yes! and a disgrace good nutritional meals were not provided as,..'matter-of-course' in the first place.
2

subrosa,

02/10/2008 01:54:59
# 2

You been eating tripe again?
3

somerferg,

perth 02/10/2008 05:24:46

Oops #2/4 - you are at it again aren't you you naughty little thing. You know blaming Alex Salmond for everything. You are beginning to sound a little desperate. Lets hear you explain why the monkeys with red rosettes did NOTHING to sort this out in the 50 years they held Scotland in a strangle hold??
4

Finnzz,

Offshore 02/10/2008 06:10:08
A very welcome development. The SNP government appears to be the only ones with a brain at Holyrood.

Although the usual catterwauling from Brankin who appears to be incapable of any form of joined-up thinking.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/10/2008 06:26:08
110, 000 Scots children living in poverty under Labour, don't need to say much more regarding the party of the people!
6

Is common sense no longer common?,

Shanghai 02/10/2008 07:25:30
#8,4,2. I have not been following these Scotsman posts for too long but you seem to add no credible information, insight or even humour so why do you bother?
7

Is common sense no longer common?,

Shanghai 02/10/2008 07:45:49
#10
Mmmmmmmm!
8

scottish person,

paisley 02/10/2008 08:07:27
Bring them on#
You are a real t##ssbag, go and blow kisses at your hero "wendy" who did f##k all for her country. Alex Salmond is the best thing that has happened to Scotland. I think you work for this union rag.
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carrottop,

Dumfries 02/10/2008 08:19:31
Once again the parents are allowed to duck out and 'the council' takes responsibility. There is no such thing as a free meal the kids go to school to be educated the feeding is the responsibility of the parents.
10

Boy Wonder,

02/10/2008 08:20:56
Good for the SNP govt. This is the kind of change we need ... though it should be extended to all primary school kids!
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Cadgers,

Perth 02/10/2008 08:23:57
This won't work till the schools start keeping the pupils in at lunchtime, until then it'll be the usual mass stampede to the chippy.
12

57vintage,

Keith 02/10/2008 08:27:29
This is welcome news, but I hope that the Nats will acknowledge that this was stolen wholesale from the SSP manifestoes of 1999, 2003 and from both manifestoes of the SSP and Solidarity in 2007.

However, my primary school teacher sister in law feels that it may be wasted money in that schoolchildren are no longer co-erced into clearing their plates (the redoubtable Mrs Davidson at Keith Grammar School in my day was known as The Soup Dragon who took it as a personal insult if you did not clear your plate) and are a spoiled and fussy lot.

I'll be interested to see the (unspun) results.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 02/10/2008 08:28:16
7 Nevsky
There is poverty and there is poverty. There are kids here in Edinburgh private schools who are given an Education Maintenance Allowance (EMA)because they are living in "poverty". Their parents are separated and they may live with the mother who has a limited income but the father then pays the school fees (£9000 a year). One of these "poverty" stricken kids got a new cat for his seventeenth birthday (presumably from his dad)
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Ugly George,

02/10/2008 08:29:46
7 Nevsky
Sorry - typo

That should be "got a new CAR for his birthday", not a new cat. Maybe he got a new cat as well.
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Cadgers,

Perth 02/10/2008 08:46:04
Dave frae Barra
Sunnier than most of the summer has been Dave! How's the
family? Your youngest must be toddling now?

You are right it is the secondaries, but the wee ones follow as soon as they can!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 09:40:00
Good for the the SNP government. Two genuine questions: How will they roll this out, given that they have removed the ring fencing from local government grant funding? Also, how does this correlate with the situation here in Edinburgh, under an SNP/Lib Dem coalition, where school meals services have just been withdrawn from a whole range of primary schools on the basis of cost cutting?
17

allknowing,

02/10/2008 10:06:47
Erm... why arnt the parents providing for their own kids???

First of they cant house them, they can travel them around, and now that want the state to provide free school meals. Whats next, free dinner, free games consoles etc.

Scroungers.
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Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 02/10/2008 10:06:55
The proposal according to Radio 4 this morning is that all Primary School children between 5-7 years of age will get free meals. In other words, this is a universal benefit.

The problem with universal benefits - as opposed to benefits targeted only at those who genuinely cannot afford to pay - is that the less well off end up subsidising, through increased taxes, those who can well afford to pay (there are plenty of Primary Schools in Edinburgh where well-heeled parents can certainly afford to fork out for their offspring's school dinners, which are a lot cheaper than the school fees).

The other point here is that (like abolishing hospital parking, where the SNP took the credit but the revenue losses were passed on to Health Boards), local authorities will have to pick up the bill for Salmond's latest smoke and mirrors trick.

Like abolishing bridge tolls, and ending prescription charges for the 40% minority who paid because they could afford to pay (60% were already free), this is simply populist grandstanding by Salmond to buy the SNP votes with someone else's money (mainly the less well off). Salmond talks left but acts right. When he acts at all, that is - his Govt talks a lot but has actually done very little of substance.

Sooner or later the bills will start to come in big style for all the votes the SNP are buying on tick.
19

Micropacer,

02/10/2008 10:25:18
Ghengis McCann I can see where you are coming from but to put it simply your wrong.

I work 40hrs, My Wife works 40hrs, we have one 3yr old and a baby due in Decemeber.

Our next door neigbour doesnt work - and has two kids.

Heres a fact for you - she has more disposable income than myself and my wife put together.

Are you suggesting that she benifits more from free School meals for her kids at our expense? Because currently our taxes are helping pay her benifits and the fact she has a fair bit more cash than us (and admits it happily) suggests something is wrong with the system.

The people in the middle keep getting squeezed and it doesnt encourage people to go out and work if they are far better off sitting at home.
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Anonym,

soup kitchen 02/10/2008 10:28:48
The costs of these provisions have to be met somewhere, so it's never really 'free'.

I'd argue that it's not 'healthy' either to tax people so that others can avoid their personal parental responsibilities to feed their own bloody kids!

Really, if folk are that hard up that 'free, healthy meals' need be provided for their children, then why are they inflicting their bloody kids on us in the first place?

Perhaps if taxation was organised sensibly then most people would have more money to make their own choices regarding what they eat, etc.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 10:29:56
#30 Don't follow this - you appear to be agreeing with #28.
22

Alan B,

02/10/2008 10:45:50
Cannot say I particularly agree with this move.

If you are going to spend the cash would probably rather it was put into making nursery care cheaper.
23

Finnzz,

Offshore 02/10/2008 10:49:10
One of the good things about this proposal is that all children are going to benefit from the opportunity to have a nourishing meal.
Its not just kids in poverty (and there are enough of them about because of Labour) who suffer from poor diet.
But then the SNP look at the broader picture
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 11:12:38
Aah, I get it - it's another triumph for the Concordat!

From the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7646898.stm

"However, the government will not be allocating extra money to fund the roll-out of the initiative.

It expects councils to find the money from the funding settlement already agreed.

The government said the free school meals would be introduced from August 2010."

Brilliant. Why not announce free school meals for all children. Or indeed free meals for everyone, every day, provided by silver service waiters to every home in the country?

And then just tell the councils that they have to pay for it out of the existing pot.

Shameful, SNP, truly shameful.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 11:39:26
#39 What a shock - an ad hominem attack rather than anything addressing the story, because yet again the SNP have been exposed as all mouth and no trousers.
27

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 02/10/2008 11:42:55
Well, if the children eschew the nutritious and free meals provided for the fattening and artery-clogging muck served at the local chippy they have only themselves to blame AND their parents for providing money for these unhealthy indulgences.

EDUCATION, EDUCATION, NUTRITIONAL EDUCATION AND POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT.

They have only their own lives to save.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 11:46:43
#42 I would say that the announcement of "free school meals" whilst neglecting to mention that they wouldn't be supplying any new money to pay for them is a reasonable thing to moan about!
29

Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 12:01:21
#45 Haha! Fabulous. Of course, the trams is the whipping boy for this.

If you can't see the rank hypocrisy in a national government announcing a major policy change which will cost councils money, and not funding it, then you are simply a lost cause.

Let's take trams out of the equation. Let's look at Fife, where there aren't any. What squandering of money there would you have them put a stop to?
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 12:14:02
#47 Precisely! One of the many reasons why I, and many others, pointed to the concordat at the time it was signed and said that local authorities would rue the day they ever signed it.

Service cuts all round. More cuts in schools maintenance programmes perhaps? Selling off of sports facilities? Closure of community services? Removal of transport funding? Oh, I'm sure we have them all to look forward to. Well done SNP...
31

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 02/10/2008 12:22:47
#22 Ugly George. Of course it could have been a Jaguar his father gave him.
32

Molz,

porty 02/10/2008 12:27:32
Quite a few posters missing an important point here. The benefit is for Primary 1-3, i.e. those who are often kept in at lunchtime. And it's also for those malnourished kids whose parents CAN afford to pay, as well as those who cant. So the kids win all round.

There were many years from the 80's where us taxpayers were subsidising poor kids to get sweets from a pathetic school lunch service. The Labour politicians claimed credit for this socialist service, and it took the SSP to draw attention to the rubbish the kids were actually getting.
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02/10/2008 12:34:50
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 13:03:52
#53 Apparently addressing the point is not necessary for you. Well you aren't a very convincing nationalist I must say.
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Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 02/10/2008 13:26:12
The Banks are in trouble ,The councils are in trouble Companies are in trouble. Who is going to pay for this free meals?
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 13:45:55
#56 Councils, out of the existing settlement, which will be progressively squeezed each year until, if the Government actually do introduce their "local" income tax, it is hammered into the most severe cutbacks we have experienced for a generation.
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Tormod,

Back in Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 14:07:01
Duncan @ 57 you seemed confused between your opinion and fact, maybe you can tell me what services will be hit after LIT. Exact numbers and what servive delivery will be affected please!

Also the last time I checked any efficency savings will be kept by the council themselves.

LA's spend an awful lot of money is it not right that we should make them a wee bit better at what they do?

Duncan what happens when the tax receipts drop to Government both local and national because of a recession?

I believe you work in IT, does IR35 ring a bell, did this regulation affect your income?

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Decent,

02/10/2008 14:18:10
Vincent

Thousands of people can pay for their own kids meals. I agree - but if they can't afford to pay for their kids meals why do they have children?
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 14:20:24
#58 The first question is silly, of course I can't tell you what services will be hit, but I can tell you that "L"IT will bring in *at least* £350 million a year less than Council Tax, according to Swinney's own figures. Divvy that up and you get the immediate impact on council services, not counting the preceding years' intended grant cutbacks as agreed in the concordat. There's no doubt that local government spending has been and will be cut by the SNP. There is very little evidence that this will make them "better at what they do", but plenty that it will mean local people losing local services.

As for IR35, since I am a salaried employee of my company it has had no effect whatsoever. Like others on here you seem not to understand that IT is no more tied to self-employed contractors than is any other business segment.
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02/10/2008 14:37:39
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Nevsky,

Moscow 02/10/2008 14:48:41
60 Dunca#

Any reason that Labour did not introduce this idea in their years and years of government?

Just why are there children in Scotland so poor anyway, i though Labour's mantra was 'thing's can only get better' not things will remain static or get worse. Terrible indictment of Labour and the union.
44

Decent,

02/10/2008 14:48:54
Compulsory sterilisations would be just fine thanks - or maybe check them out like they do before they allow you to foster before you let them breed.
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KIRKY COOK,

Kirkliston 02/10/2008 14:56:13
So the p1-3 are to have free school lunches,great news!!
I do hope that the edinburgh catering services are going to reopen the "MOTHBALLED" school kitchen's with enough staff to be able to prepare and serve all these kid's meals!!
When you hear that the council want's 130 meals provided before they will reopen our kitchen,it cannot happen soon enough for me and then i will be back at my local school!!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 14:58:18
#62 Labour introduced far better ideas. Like the minimum wage to enable many such children's parents to break free of the benefits trap. Like Working Families Tax Credits to top up low-paid workers' incomes.

And the thing is, these policies DID work. You claim things remained static or got worse - this is simply untrue. Look at www.poverty.org.uk for the unspun facts.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 15:00:18
#65 Yet here's the rub. The SNP government has announced that they will not be providing any additional funding to the council for this. The SNP/Lib Dem Edinburgh Council mothballed the kitchens on the basis of cost savings. If they manage to pull this off it will have to be by magic of some sort.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 15:04:30
Well I agree that LIT will see a reduction in taxation the SNP government have said this.

Come now don't be modest I am sure that could have a go with your crystal ball and predict what services will be reduced.

LA's revenue was roughly £18 billion for 2006, as a percentage wat is £350 million of 18 billion?

So although Councils have been given more money and freedom to spend it they can't save £350 million from there budgets? without service provision problems?

Well the reason that I raised IR35 is that I used to be an IT contracter and ran my own business small though it was I was rather proud of myself, so I do understand and IR35 hit independent contracters like myself pretty hard.

It was an unfair piece of legislation from Gordon Brown to raise taxation. Of course Gordon doesn't do honest and upfront taxation does he!

What would a government or council do if they lost 25% of there income or yourself Duncan. How will we fund local services with less tax because we are in recession no doubt.

The point is I managed to survive IR35 and pay my bills although my charges to my client were fixed for two years and my tax bill shot up ending in a 25% reduction in my income.

So why should I be expected to take a hit of that size yet the public sector is asked to make an extremely modest cost saving the likes of yourself say it's impossible.

No magic required, councils have to deliver services as required.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 15:09:49
bloody hell I just checked employee costs for 2006 was £6.8 billion pounds thats 38% of expenditure wow!
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 15:12:10
Does anybody know how much the congestion charge fiasco and CETM has cost?
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 15:14:42
I have a figure of £16million in my head, so how many school meals would that provide?
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 15:36:38
#68 Tormod, where did I say it was "impossible"? You are desperate to put words in my mouth.

Of course LAs can adjust their spending - what I said was there WILL BE SERVICE CUTS. Just like, I'm sure, when your income was hit you didn't continue to spend the same amounts!
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Crank Parent,

Livingston 02/10/2008 15:37:24
# 16 carrottop
"Once again the parents are allowed to duck out and 'the council' takes responsibility. There is no such thing as a free meal the kids go to school to be educated the feeding is the responsibility of the parents."

Interestingly, a child's education is the responsibility of the parents too.

"Education (Scotland) Act 1980 – Section 30
(1) It shall be the duty of the parent of every child of school age to provide efficient
education for him suitable to his age, ability and aptitude either by causing him to attend a
public school regularly or by other means."
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 02/10/2008 15:55:09
On the assumption that all infant scholl children need to eat something during the day, i see this proposal as eminently sensible for various reasons.

1) Some posters say why should rich parents get their kids fed by tax payers. I would assume that rich parents will already be paying a fair whack in tax.

2) Not all kids get an appropriate balanced meal. This should ensure that. Eating communally can only improve manners and teach social eating. too many families no longer sit down together to eat.

3) This may begin to redress the bad diet & obesity which is leading to massive sums being required by the health service. The eventual (I hope) savings will make the excercise worth while.

4) Parents will now not have to concern themselves about dinner money, lunch boxes etc (often filled with crisps and chocolate), which must be some good. The only folk to lose out by this are the junk food merchants and the supermarkets.

5) With an ensured sensible diet, the children should be better behaved and learn better.

6) I realise it was an SSP aspiration. Sometimes they did have sensible suggestions. This was one of their better ones. Most were alas were not.

As far as I see everyone gains from this. Local authorities need proper funding for this though.

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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 15:55:18
I am not desperate to do anything Duncan, for instance have I called you a straw man? I did ask you to stand up and have some pride in your own decision making as a Scot a few moons back.

From your postings I get the distinct impression that you think Councils do not require any change in there service delivery no matter the changes to the world we live.

For instance is the way that councils provide and pay pensions for staff need reformed?

So it is possible to reduce LA expediture, Duncan you are the one who is saying that there is going to be mass cutbacks all I asked is where.

Again my reduction was 25% the reduction between CT to LIT is roughly 1.9% Do you think this will lead to mass cutbacks and if you do what services will be affected.

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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 15:58:48
I believe a hot meal at school was a legal requirement until the early 80's.

Every child deserves a hot meal free provided by LA's income should not be a factor rich or poor.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 16:07:54
#75 On the contrary. I simply think, as you have been at pains to avoid thus far, that if a government is going to announce a new policy like free school meals for all children in primary 1-3, they have a moral duty to provide the funding for that policy, or else they might as well announce whatever policies they like and place the burden of cost on local authorities for them all.

Do you not agree? If you do, then you should join me in condemning this cynical, populist and deceitful move by the SNP.
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Finnzz,

Offshore 02/10/2008 16:27:12
The following was announced at the Labour Party Conference in Manchester.

Quote
Universal free school meals will be tested in "at least two" local authority areas in England, while in a third area current eligibility will be extended to include more children from poor families.

The pilot scheme, which will start in September next year and run for two years, is a joint initiative of the Department of Health and the Department for Children, Schools and Families.

The £20m cost will be split equally between the two Whitehall departments.

Ministers will invite councils to bid to be involved in the pilots.

They will then be expected to match the government funding, taking the total budget to £40m.
UnQuote

So there we have it. Where the SNP lead, the Labour party follow.

I suppose we could always condemn this cynical, populist and deceitful move by the Labour Party.

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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 16:29:20
I have been at no pains to avoid anything Duncan all my responses have been a reply to your questions about "service cuts".

All I asked of yourself was do you think the councils can achieve a 1.9% cost reduction from there budgets and if not if you are going to say that there is going to be massive cuts the worst in a generation I think you should back up your claim with some facts.

Well I believe that the free school meals is part of the concordat so it is not a new policy but a evolution of the pilot already underway.

I think Cosla thinks it's a magic idea, and so do parents.

So I think I will disagree with you, it is not cynical, it is comman sense and trying to improve the health of the nation.

Jings that is so deceitful and cynical and populist trying to improve the health of children.
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karinxxx,

02/10/2008 16:31:14
duncan you say populist like its a bad thing populist


populist dictionary definition.

2: a believer in the rights, wisdom, or virtues of the common people
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karinxxx,

02/10/2008 16:32:08
here duncan do you think they are beliveing in the wisdom of the people deiberately.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 16:33:20
FinnZZ @78 imagine that, the labour party copying other folks idea as there own jings.

Oh Duncan could you explain to me again what technical skills Alistair Darling and Gordon Brown have that Alex Salmond as a qualified and experienced banking economist have again?

Coming from an IT background I am sure you have come across book engineers who talk the talk but can't walk the walk.
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Allan(handofgod137),

02/10/2008 16:35:09
So hopefully Holyrood will use the tax raising powers to ensure that the full cost of this is met by the parents.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 16:36:47
#78 So the Labour proposal is to provide central funds for this, and the SNP proposal is to tell councils to fund it themselves. Do you see the difference?
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 16:40:59
Duncan @ 84 they are not providing all the funding, so where do the councils get there part?
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 16:43:25
Vincent @ 86 Well I never!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 16:45:22
#80 Populist in this context means policies which are designed to appeal to people on the surface, but which fail to take a wider or longer term view.

For example, the SNP's manifesto pledge to "save the A&E at Monklands" was populist, because it stopped something happening that was widely considered to be bad. But Nicola Sturgeon offered the Health Board no additional funding to support this move, so in fact the wider effect has been stagnation in other services in order to maintain an under-used resource; and the inability of that Health Board to create the centres of excellence which are proven to attract higher quality medical staff, improve treatment and save more lives than the current shoestring smaller facilities.

The point is that a populist measure usually has a hidden downside. In this present instance, the downside is that without extra funding, councils will have to make cuts elsewhere to fund this.

The SNP's concordat with COSLA was one of the cleverest things they have achieved, because it has given them carte blanche to do this sort of political posturing without incurring any responsibility or cost for delivery.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 16:46:55
#86 Of course COSLA is saying this. They probably believe it. And I have no doubt that none of you believe me when I say that local authorities will rue the day they signed that agreement. But they will, and I will be proved right over the course of this Parliament.
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 16:51:46
Duncan what the concordat did was to enable accountability for councils for their service provision how many times have we heard "We can't because of ring fencing"!

Oh aye it was very clever those devils in the SNP clever laddies and lassies improving democracy and accountability.

Shame on them, decitful, cynical what price democracy!
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 16:53:03
So Duncan you are saying that Cosla and the councillors are a bunch of Numpties for signing the concordat?
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Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 16:54:35
Is that the same folk you say that LIT / SNP policies will bring a cutback in services not seen in a generation?

Or was that you!
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Finnzz,

Offshore 02/10/2008 16:56:02
From the Telegraph

"All councils had previously agreed to implement the project from August 2010 if it proved a success."

Perhaps Labour think the LAs forgot to add this commitment to their budgets in the stampede to sign the Concordat. Only Brankin appears to think so...

Oh!...and Duncan in Edinburgh
75

Tormod,

Auld Reekie 02/10/2008 17:00:34
Finnzz @ 93 I believe you have check mated Duncan.
76

Marga,

Fife 02/10/2008 17:06:40
Duncan - fortunately, the present Scottish government counts local authorities as partners, not clients. I quote from today's government daily digest:

"The Concordat between the Scottish Government and COSLA stated that if the evaluation of the trials were positive legislation would be introduced to allow extension of the nutritious free school meals to all children in P1 to P3."
and
"The agreement with COSLA and local authorities means that free school meals for P1-P3 pupils will be rolled out from August 2010."

So it seems that the LAs are not likely to join you in condemning this move by the "SNP" (Scottish government?) as "cynical, populist and deceitful".
77

Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 17:06:54
#94 You believe incorrectly. The concordat commits councils to all manner of things, but does not commit the government to funding them. It is expressly designed to place the burden of budget choices onto the councils themselves, who will unavoidably have to make savage cuts in areas where there is no delivery agreement (such as children and families departments, community services funding via charities, sports and leisure facilities).

The check mating is what the SNP government have done to councils. The result is that we will all suffer, and the government will sit back and point the finger at the councils.
78

Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 17:07:49
As I have dais many times before, the key to understanding the concordat is reading what isn't in it, not what is.
79

Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 17:08:06
said, even
80

brownlie,

02/10/2008 18:20:40
88 Duncan

Do you think the scheme outlined at #78 by Finnzz is a populist move by the Labour party or, at last, the long awaited attack on child poverty?

Does this populist measure have a hidden down-side?
81

Finnzz,

Offshore 02/10/2008 19:05:14
Finally found the info... (this web is a great thing)

According to
http://www.east-ayrshire.gov.uk/crpadmmin/2007%20agendas/cabinet/august%202007/free%20school%20meal%20trial%20-%20p1-p3%20primary%20schools.pdf

The section on financial implications states

The Local Authorities were given funding from the Scottish Executive to actually carry out the trials.

so your post #84 is mince Duncan.

82

Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 19:41:10
#100 I fail to see how that makes "mince" out of anything.

I'm happy for you to claim your victories today. You will see the effects of the concordat and the SNP's budget cuts soon enough. No doubt if anything gets traced back to them they will immediately point the finger at the big bad government in Westminster, but that's how things work when you are governed by a single issue pressure group.
83

OldWife,

02/10/2008 19:57:29
Healthy by whose standards? Lots of pasta, baked potatoes, starchy veg, no fat, no meat and skimmed milk. Just the stuff for little bodies to grow on...not!! No wonder kids have rickets.

 

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