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Smoking ban spurs one in four to cut tobacco use



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MORE than one in four Scottish smokers have cut down on cigarettes since the introduction of the smoking ban in public places, new research suggests.
In the survey by YouGov ahead of No Smoking Day tomorrow, 27 per cent of respondents said they were smoking less since the smoke-free legislation came into effect in March 2006.

The poll also showed that 18 per cent of smokers across Scotland planned to stop smoking on No Smoking Day, with the ban proving a key factor in triggering attempts to quit.

The research suggested that more than 2.25 million smokers (19 per cent) would take part across the UK, making it the biggest No Smoking Day for years.

Dan Tickle, the chief executive of No Smoking Day, said: "If you're ready to quit, there's never been a better time."





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  • Last Updated: 10 March 2008 9:58 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Tobacco
 
1

Stef,

Bandera, Tx, formerly Edinburgh. 11/03/2008 06:35:05
Any research conducted by this government, polls or initiatives, or otherwise virtually anything they touch or interfere with, is tainted with sleaze of mammoth proportions. I do not believe in any of thier perverse and deceitful reports, or ASH instigated announcements. Tell all their good news to all the business's they have destroyed, bancrupted, the unemployed, and to the 1000000's of casualities of their social engineering experiments. These survey's are simply a good job, for nobody's in compiling false statistics, for people who produce nothing, give nothing, create nothing and are the real social pariahs and parasites. No doubt further adverse comments from our government sponsored anti-tobacco representative, David from Newmills are soon to follow this posting. However! the truth about this sleaze train is slowly emerging, and the closed down pubs, bingo halls and cafes are becoming harder to deny... Vote these sleazebags out and find some useful employment for this Dan Tickle too do, McDonalds are always looking for staff and it would be a good thing for all if Mr Tickle would attempt to do something that really serves society, than taking our money for this pretend job he has. Whether you smoke or not, its your choice, vote this Nazi government out, and all the wasters and low life that have perpetuated its existence. Polls from a Government such as ours mean absolutely nothing or does electoral propriety have any meaning. Smoke if you want to, do not stop in support of these creeps.
2

Rollo Tommasi,

11/03/2008 08:07:08
I'll let other reader make their own minds up about comment no.1.....

I just want to wish good luck to everyone who's trying to quit smoking.
3

Robert Feal-Martinez,

Swindon 11/03/2008 08:51:56
Amazing so that must mean 3 out of 4 are smoking more because tobacco sales have increased. Mind you remember the 17% reduction in heart attack admissions flagged up by the SE that proved to be a complete lie, as the later official 8% figure showed, which was 2% less than the previous two years and 4% less than the year before that. People tell intrusive polls what they think they want to hear.
4

NoBanJan,

Manchester 11/03/2008 09:28:45
I totally agree with comment number 1.We neither asked for nor wanted the governments help to cut down on smoking. It is a matter of our own choice & should remain so.We should not be dictated to by this draconian ban!!Restore choice to the publicans, cafe owners etc.
5

banhater,

freedom2choose.info 11/03/2008 10:12:40
The fact that HMG/Anti tobacco have to produce these reports and spin proves that they are concerned about the true impact of the smoking ban.

Tobacco consumption is increasing,though this increase relies more on the 'duty free' trade. Tobacco companies are doing fine, yet the hospitality trade, is being decimated along with the social lives of smokers and non-smokers.

And let us not forget the biggest distortion and spin was the myth of harm from passive smoking that created
This situation in the first place. For every study that cited increased risk of harm form passive smoke, there are 6 that found none. The ones that did find a raised risk, the studies found a lower risk than that of drinking coffee. These figures were then tripled to allow a statistical significance, then pounced on by government advisors, and the smoking ban introduced accordingly.
The ban was built on lies and deceit, and it is maintained using lies and deceit.
6

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/03/2008 10:53:50
I agree whole-heartedly with #1--#5.

The whole anti-smoking movement is a farce.

If you smoke to excess then it can harm your health. If you do anything to excess there are almost always side effects. Nothing new there.

The thing is, non-smokers are not going to die chocking in agony if they catch a whiff of tobacco smoke.

I personally do not believe a word that is said regarding this brain-dead ban. Especially where the Anti-Smoking-Heretics are involved in any way.
7

David from New Mills,

Government sponsored anti-tobacco land. 11/03/2008 10:58:18
#1,Stef,Bandera, Tx, formerly Edinburgh.
Stef seems in particularly ill form to-day. What's up, the Texas air not agreeing with him?
Did his fingers slip, or did he really mean "millions".
Notice he's joining Petrol Man in the latter's much used Nazi allusions.
Does the "formerly Edinburgh" signify he's not coming back? If not, perhaps he should learn what's Texan for "Gardyloo!"
I'll leave him to stew in his malicious frame of mind in the land of the not always so free.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.
Happy puffing and wheezing to those, like stef, who choose ever to remain in denial!
8

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 11:01:02
#2,Rollo Tommasi.
Agree with Rollo's sentiments. Just really wish they could.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.
9

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/03/2008 11:04:27
David from New Mills = Troll!
10

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 11:07:18
#3, Robert Feal-Martinez,Swindon.
Note RF-M has moved over to the Scotsman threads, as The Morning Advertiser is closed to him. However, unlike Petrol Man, I always welcome comments from the smokes and the no smokes alike, but why should this poll be considered "intrusive", and why should people choose to give false answers, or any at all for that matter?
11

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 11:13:15
#4,NoBanJan,Manchester.
"It is a matter of our own choice & should remain so. We should not be dictated to." Agree entirely. Nobody's compelling smokers to forsake their addiction, just offering them help to do so.
The trouble about leaving choice to those with commercial interests, is that most of them chose to take the easy option of a fast buck.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.
12

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 11:18:31
#5,banhater,freedom2choose.info.
Smoking restrictions are not maintained "using lies and deceit", but with determination and the force of legislation, as Messrs. Howitt, Hogan, and Blows have found where it hurts the most, in their wallets.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.



13

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, land of the heretics, U.K. 11/03/2008 11:24:08
#6, Petrol Man.
No mention of Nazis to-day? Unlikely "to die chocking in agony" in fug free pubs. Perhaps p.h. will one day appreciate enjoying the same state.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.

14

Robert Feal-Martinez,

Swindon 11/03/2008 11:25:13
I have been posting on this site and many other Scottish sites for several years, and unlike
David from New Mills,
Pleasantville, U.K I am still using my own identity. He on the other hand has not appeared on the MA with this name, therefore is using a alias. Perfectly acceptable of course but the sort of cheap trick all ASHites use, to give the impression there are more of the. As for the easy option for a fast buck, clearly David has no concept of working in hospitality. One makes money by appealing to the needs of one's regular customer base, in Pubs that's the smoker by a mile. The entire industry now excepts the ban has been a disaster and has failed to come close to reducing smoking. On the contrary the real truth is smoking has increased by 7 to 10%. Some success.
15

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, Troll Land, U.K. 11/03/2008 11:29:14
#9, Petrol Man.
Is that really his best considered response?
That does remind me to get one of those cute little dolls I've seen in local shops in Pleasantville, but I'll avoid the chav one, as it might remind me of Petrol Man in denial.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.

16

banhater,

11/03/2008 11:47:41
Yes David or is it Mr Henman from MA?
Good point the ban is maintained with the the need for massive fines for those that oppose it. Yet you and your bedfellows insist it is so popular. Why then the need for penalties that are hardly appropriate for the 'crime'of allowing someone to smoke on your own property?
Real life isnt really like Pleasantville. That was a film David, and even in that story reality kicked in eventually. You might consider life in the real world and that it can be more fulfilling than the puritanical bubble in which you reside.
17

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 11:52:43
#14, Robert Feal-Martinez,Swindon.
R F-M assumes I have posted on the MA site, with or without an alias, and that I am an "ASHite", which I assume to mean a member of ASH?
He should surely realise that the MA site like the Scotsman's is open to anyone to visit, without necessarily registering and making a comment. Indeed I often visit F2S to see if they have anything interesting or new to say, or does he think I'm a "sleeper" there using an alias. Perhaps Colin Gee should check the membership list with a fine tooth comb, to check for spies.
I have no connection with ASH, pharmaceutical companies, or any government body or quango, national or local.
I can thus honestly say I have no financial interest in the maintenance of smoking restrictions. However, by his own admission, the so-called hospitality industry put the smokers' consideration first "by a mile", hence the imposition of smoking restrictions by legislation.
It's early days in England and Wales to make a final judgment as to the success or otherwise of this legislation, but Scottish pubs and restaurant seem to be surviving after almost two years. I would remind readers that this legislation was embodied in something called the HEALTH Act, and not enacted to maintain the status quo to the satisfaction of pub landlords, whose vested interest should scarcely be considered of paramount importance.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.

18

banhater,

freedom2choose.info 11/03/2008 11:55:00
For more tips on how to see through anti-smoking propaganda and social engineering rhetoric, visit freedom2choose.info.

If you do wish to give up smoking i recommend the Allen technique.
It is far more effective than any NRT product(93%failure rate), whose manufacturers sponsor David and his friends and aliases.
19

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/03/2008 12:15:08
David from New Mills must be bored today. Funny how he never comments on anything that doesn't give him the opportunity to peddle his daft propaganda isn't it?

It is unfortunate that he knows so little about the subject of smoking, otherwise his comments may actually be worth reading.

Go on David, I'll bite. Let's see you answer a couple of direct questions for once. What is the problem with landlords having a freedom to chose whether they allow smoking or not? If they did, are you afraid that the market forces would determine that moaning minnies like you were in the minority---as indeed was the case before the ban?
20

David from New Mills,

Pseudo Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 12:32:46
#16,banhater.
No, I am not Mr. Mike Henman from MA, though I did appreciate his astute comments about the "smokes" and the "non-smokes" on the Tony Blows' fine thread there.
Bh should appreciate that there are many more "non- smokes" than "smokes", rather than there just being one non-smoke with a variety of pseudonyms.
Various breaches of the law are punished appropriately, otherwise legislation would be without teeth.
Is bh against all motoring restrictions on people driving whilst in their "own property"?
I've enjoyed the film, and appreciate it reverted to colourful reality in due course, unlike some of the posters on these threads.
The allusion to the film was actually a lighthearted one of mine some months ago, in response to a correspondent who conjectured that New Mills had only three pubs and must be as dull as hell. Little did they realise how little of a "puritanical bubble" New Mills really is, but I shall continue to enjoy it's fug free pubs and other enclosed public spaces, and forsake the supposed fulfillment of nicotine, as one of the country's many non-smokes.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.


21

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 12:41:17
#18, banhater,freedom2choose.info.
For more pro-smoking propaganda and "social engineering rhetoric", visit freedom2choose.info.
"whose manufacturers sponsor David and his friends and aliases." How exactly do they do that? Can bh identify any of these aliases? Am I still Me Bungo Pony too, according to Claire 77?
Good luck to anyone who wishes to throw off the nicotine addiction, by whatever means.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.


22

banhater,

11/03/2008 12:57:23
#17 David

Come on now.
You have doubled the list of people who deny the ban has had a huge impact on hospitality.
Unfortunately the other person with their fingers in theirs ears shouting na na na na, is the Health Secretary.

A similar pattern is emerging regarding harm from passive smoking. Even the government advisor who initiated plans for smoking licenses, admitted that SHS is a myth.

So, really then you are pro-ban because you don’t like the smell of tobacco smoke.
The fact that pubs are smoke free and smell of BO of various kinds and are now poorly ventilated, doesn’t seem to bother you.
The fact that millions of livelihoods and social lives are in tatters is ok with you, so long as you cant smell tobacco smoke.

You say that hospitality only catered for smokers before the ban.
Did you never visit the cinema or the theatre.

The only public places in which you could smoke were those that are now closing due to the ban. If there was a market for smoke-free, we wouldn’t need a ban. And don’t forget there were some smoke-free pubs prior to the ban. Its called Market Forces with choice and freedom2choose..

Something that in your view is of secondary importance to the your nasal sensitivities.

#21 By visiting these sites,they recommend use of NRT.
How is that going to help a nicotine addiction.
Its just providing nicotine by a different means. Which is why 93% go back to smoking.
Big Pharmas are trying to replace Big Tobacco in the war of Nicotine supply. Yet the taxpayer subsidises this through the NHS and funding ASH, and the media can reap huge advertising revenue from Big Pharma but of course not Big Tobacco these days.
David - please open your eyes a little wider to the truth. perhaps then then you would see that choice is fair and there are viable alternatives to the ban.

23

banhater,

11/03/2008 12:57:23
#17 David

Come on now.
You have doubled the list of people who deny the ban has had a huge impact on hospitality.
Unfortunately the other person with their fingers in theirs ears shouting na na na na, is the Health Secretary.

A similar pattern is emerging regarding harm from passive smoking. Even the government advisor who initiated plans for smoking licenses, admitted that SHS is a myth.

So, really then you are pro-ban because you don’t like the smell of tobacco smoke.
The fact that pubs are smoke free and smell of BO of various kinds and are now poorly ventilated, doesn’t seem to bother you.
The fact that millions of livelihoods and social lives are in tatters is ok with you, so long as you cant smell tobacco smoke.

You say that hospitality only catered for smokers before the ban.
Did you never visit the cinema or the theatre.

The only public places in which you could smoke were those that are now closing due to the ban. If there was a market for smoke-free, we wouldn’t need a ban. And don’t forget there were some smoke-free pubs prior to the ban. Its called Market Forces with choice and freedom2choose..

Something that in your view is of secondary importance to the your nasal sensitivities.

#21 By visiting these sites,they recommend use of NRT.
How is that going to help a nicotine addiction.
Its just providing nicotine by a different means. Which is why 93% go back to smoking.
Big Pharmas are trying to replace Big Tobacco in the war of Nicotine supply. Yet the taxpayer subsidises this through the NHS and funding ASH, and the media can reap huge advertising revenue from Big Pharma but of course not Big Tobacco these days.
David - please open your eyes a little wider to the truth. perhaps then then you would see that choice is fair and there are viable alternatives to the ban.

24

Tim85,

Lancs, England 11/03/2008 13:25:48
Good ol' No Smoking Day. Always makes me determined to double the number of cigs smoked for that day!
25

David from New Mills,

Pleasantly smoke free Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 13:39:58
#19, Petrol Man.
On the contrary, it's smokers who appear to suffer from boredom, hence the need to stick a form of comforter in their mouth.
I never comment on Edinburgh's trams, or the Forth Bridge/Tunnel sagas, as there are plenty of Edinburghers with a vested interest to do so.
Some time ago p.h. stated he would decline to answer my points until I said something "actually worth reading", so it's good to realise he has a modicum of perspicacity at last, and to welcome him back to the fray.
A.1. The problem is that they make their choice based purely on self interest and commercial greed as confirmed by R F-M at his #14, and are thus not to be entrusted with such an important decision.
A.2. I fear that any slippage in the current legislation regarding restrictions would simply result in the previous situation of smoke filled pubs, hence my stout resistance to any such retrogade step.
Now it's p.h.'s turn to chew over a couple of direct questions:-
Q.1. Why should landlords receive some special exemption, as cinemas, theatres, supermarkets, buses and other "private" properties seem able to thrive quite well without smoking patrons?
Q.2. How long can p.h. last in the morning on awaking, without recourse to the pleasure/addiction of nicotine?
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.
26

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 13:45:38
#24, Lancs, England.
I've absolutely no problem with that. His freedom, his choice.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.
But he can keep puffing away if he so chooses.
27

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 11/03/2008 14:03:09
OK David, I'll bite again.

You seem to have taken a Ronnie Barker pill today. Read through some of your posts out loud at high speed and you'll see what I mean---especially #20

Landlords are not to be trusted to make their own decisions in business eh? And it seems I was right that you fear the prosepect of not having things your way. It seems this feeling is quite real, which suggests that maybe if the smoking ban is not as popular as you like to think it is.

Why should landlords have exemption? Because this mind-numbingly stupid ban is driving their customers away and driving them out of business. The only ones that are not being affected by this daft ban are chain pubs who have turned themselves into glorified "family" restaurants that now stink of stale food and farts.

How long after I get up in the morning do I light up? It's really none of your business, but seeing as you ask, it depends how I feel.

Tips on how to START smoking:

1. Buy a packet of fags
2. Buy a box of matches
3. Put a fag in your mouth
4. Light it
5. Inhale the smoke
6. Enjoy!
28

David from New Mills,

Fug free Publand, U.K. 11/03/2008 14:10:36
#22/23, banhater.
Come on now, posting twice is cheating as a way to double the no. of "smokes".
I'm actually in favour of restrictions as a means of expelling the smell, acrid fumes and associated detritus.
Washing and deodorents usually deal with B.O.
The world hasn't come to an end because smokers have to slope outside pubs briefly.
Cinemas and theatres generally considered as entertainment rather than hospitality venues, and both allowed smoking once. Bh ever seen "Brief Encounter"?
Outside areas still available. If bh so concerned about viability of pubs remember "use us or lose us". Very few smoke free pubs before restrictive legislation as most landlords chose to "follow the money" to quote Colin Gee.
How does a "visit" to websites push NRT, and what are my many aliases?
Glad bh recognises the concept of nicotine addiction. Perhaps if the smokes opened their eyes a little wider, the real answer is never to start the addiction, and every one would gain apart from the tobacco industry, but then who cares about them? Smokers? Smokes?
My eyes are wide open, especially in fug free pubs at last, and certainly in cinemas and theatres for some years.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.

.
29

Ladyladd,

Worcester 11/03/2008 14:11:52
Well said Tim85 - I am the same and make sure I increase the number of smokes on No Smoking Day! In fact, since the ban came in I find I am smoking more anyway as I don't go out anymore, which saves me money. As far as health goes, some people who suffer stress, anxiety and depression are mentally healthier for smoking which in turn actually helps them be physically healthier too.

There are some really pompous people on this site, and I would like to say now, that unless you have suffered or do suffer from mental health problems and smoke, there is no need for you to respond as you can have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Even my doctors have told me NOT to give up as this would be far worse for me than smoking and I am not alone in that.

I also happen to know a fair few people who would have given up smoking except for the ban and others who had given up but who started again, because of the ban.

When will the powers that be realise that beating us with a stick will not work. Prior to an enforced ban, the numbers of smokers was reducing anyway, although far more people were suffering from stress and depression. Bring in a total ban and the number of people smoking, or certainly the number of cigarettes smoked, increases - just where is the logic in that?

I have always ignored no smoking days, just as I ignore signs posted outside, in the open air, that say no smoking and will continue to do so.
30

David from New Mills,

U.K. 11/03/2008 14:22:24
#27, p.h.
Instead I'll key at high speed as fug free pubs await.
Vested commercial interests always seek the fast buck over other considerations. Think of Big Tobacco.
Remember boiling frog syndrome, hence my vigilance.
Support your local pubs.
Must be bad food or fast eaters.
Thought p.h. would evade Q.2.
Re his tips, isn't no. 4 liable to hurt your mouth?
Another question as he's dodged no. 2.
Many smokers wish they'd never started the addiction. How many say they wish they could have started sooner?
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.
Have a good day to-morrow smokes and non-smokes!
31

mandyv,

banitland 11/03/2008 14:29:49
I also wish those who want to give up,because THEY want to give up, good luck.
But why the need for so many lies?

"The poll also showed that 18 per cent of smokers across Scotland planned to stop smoking on No Smoking Day, with the ban proving a key factor in triggering attempts to quit.
The research suggested that more than 2.25 million smokers (19 per cent) would take part across the UK, making it the biggest No Smoking Day for years".

What bad memories they have!

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4159/is_20060305/ai_n16190417
No Smoking Day prompts record numbers to give up
Independent on Sunday, The, Mar 5, 2006 by Martin Hodgson
Eighteen months before the ban on smoking in public places comes into force, record numbers of smokers are planning to kick the habit on National No Smoking Day, which has been running for 23 years. A survey commissioned by the event's organisers showed that 41 per cent of smokers - around five million people - will attempt to give up on Wednesday. This is the largest proportion of smokers ever pledging to quit.

8th August 2006 the HSE in the document OC 255/15 article9 state
for some strange reason hmm it has been changed to OC 255/16 Paragraph
14
" HSE cannot produce epidemiological evidence to link levels of exposure to second hand smoke to the raised risk of contacting specific diseases".
We need to get this ban amended to include ventilation,
freedom2choose.info -- for tolerant non-smokers and smokers alike
Please show your support, donations, large or small, toward our fighting fund,
become a member, or join the forums.
Stand up and be counted.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/smokinglicenses/ ends in October 2008
These could do with some support please,

http://www.innthecold.com 1000 Pubs in 90 days, can you help with this one?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn6zye0nh8w

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mN-xDlsNXII Hamish Howitt Publican

Warning: Anti-tobacco activism may be haza
32

Chuckles,

breaking the ban in Pleasantville 11/03/2008 15:13:00
Big Tobacco Davidnewmills30? Little given they are dwarfed by Big Pharma. Hey David see you posted yesterday on the MA. Yes I shall smoke tomorrow indoors in Pleasantville!
33

Rob Simpson,

UK 11/03/2008 16:29:34
David from New Mills claims;

"Nobody's compelling smokers to forsake their addiction, just offering them help to do so."

Not true. many thousands of people are being forced to quit even as we speak. In a story not long released it was revealed how many psychiatric wards have gone nonsmoking, despite having an exemption.
Given the nature of the treatment, people can find themselves confined indoors and not allowed to smoke. What is this if not being forced to quit?
34

Rob Simpson,

UK 11/03/2008 16:40:24
David from new Mills states;

"Outside areas still available. If bh so concerned about viability of pubs remember "use us or lose us"."

A good, if flawed point. But surely one can use a facility only occasionally and still care about what happens to it. Surely the ball lies in the freedom-haters corner. They wanted the law that's killing the pubs, surely it's their responsibility to help keep them open.
35

mandyv,

banitland 11/03/2008 18:33:38
Rob 33# That is evil, what they are doing to the mentally ill. Yes they did say say exemptions for them, another lie!!

I remember quite a while back, David saying something like "How is the ban going to encourage youngsters to smoke" or words to that effect, in a reply to one of my posts -"bans to kids are appealling"
This from Ireland -
http://tinyurl.com/ysqak2
Mission: To make health a top priority for everyone in Northern Ireland.

Press Release 08.01.08

Major new anti-smoking campaign targets young women

Young female smokers are the primary focus of a major new public information campaign launched today by the Health Promotion Agency for Northern Ireland (HPA).

Smoking among young women in Northern Ireland is on the increase, with more than twice as many females than males now smoking in the 16–19 year old age group (31% vs 13%). Additionally, almost a third (32%) of mothers here are smoking before or at some stage throughout their pregnancy, and this is most prevalent in the under 20 age group.¹, ²

Quit smoking tip, for those who wish to of course - read Allan Carrs book, it has a higher stay quit success rate
36

banhater,

Bigotland New Mills 11/03/2008 19:34:43
#28 Does your ignorance know no bounds?
Try logging on to the websites you advertise.
How do you think they encourage smokers to quit

As for your rather discriminatory comments about 'addicts' i suggest you think again.

I rarely smoke during the week, only when i fancy it/ when at the pub.
When i do really enjoy a smoke is with a few beers at the weekend, however that is no longer the same now is it!

Yes the pubs might be 'fug-free', but they are usually people free too! Of course being anti-choice, you probably dont visit pubs to find out.


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Rollo Tommasi,

11/03/2008 19:40:34
It never ceases to amaze me how the F2C brigade can so frequently misquote and misuse statistics. Oh Mandy, you're not going to like this...

Smoking among young women in Northern Ireland has indeed been on the rise. The big problem for your argument is that ALL of the reported rise occurred before the smoking laws in Northern Ireland were introduced on 30 April! The 31% figure refers to 2006-07 (presumably the financial year ending 31 March 2007).
38

Donnie,

11/03/2008 19:48:42
No 1 and No 5 absolutely spot on. The only people profiting from this ban are the smugglers people turn to them for cheap tobacco, the government is not losing either it continues to rake in billions from the sale of tobacco. Smokers now stop at home to smoke and drink in the warm, the only losers are the private property owners. i.e. the pubs and clubs.
Government control of private property is a communist principle, but then thats what we have got a Labour government which is realy communist. Pubs are closing, people are losing jobs does government care not a chance, roll on the next election.
39

David from New Mills,

Pleasantvile, U.K. 11/03/2008 20:34:16
#32, Chuckles,breaking the ban in Pleasantville.
Under what pseudonym does Carlo think I posted in the M.A.?
Might spot Carlo Rossi smoking indoors in New Mills' three pubs. There again, I might not.
40

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 20:38:18
#38, Tin Hat Donnie.
How can the government benefit from illicit tobacco smuggling and sales? Donnie is welcome to vote for his Publican Party candidate, or any other. Suggest he gives Eddie D. a call for advice in this respect.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk.
41

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 20:54:27
#36, banhater,Bigotland New Mills.
Bh is always welcome to try to educate/influence me in my alleged ignorance.
As a non-smoker I have no need to be taught the dangers of nicotinism, and how to avoid it.
Bh is welcome to enjoy his weekend pleasure outside, If he's not addicted, deferring the "pleasure" will cause him no problem?
I possibly visit pubs more often than bh, and find mine full of people, if not of obnoxious fumes.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk
42

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 21:02:42
#34, Rob Simpson,UK.
"it's their responsibility to help keep them open." Oh but I do help, esp. as they're fug free now.
So, how are the smokes doing their bit to help?
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk
43

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 21:12:07
#33, Rob Simpson,UK.
I do actually have some sympathy for patients of psychiatric wards, in that they should be considered to have enough problems, without having nicotinism thrown in for good measure.
Rob is more than welcome to lobby to have this small minority dealt with as a special case.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk
44

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 11/03/2008 21:24:49
#35, Mandyv, cambs.
Don't quite recall Mandy's alleged "words to that effect" of mine. Can she be more explicit?
Glad to see her advising smokers of her favoured approach to leading nicotinics away from their addiction.
Should her reccomendation fail, there's always
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk
Trust she approves of my cut and paste techique?
45

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville U.K. 11/03/2008 21:33:34
#31, mandyv of cambs.
"also wish those who want to give up,because THEY want to give up, good luck." Couldn't agree more, luv.
Always glad to "Stand up and be counted.", but not to contribute to the F2S cause.
Re my #44, should, of course, have read "recommendation", oops!
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk
46

english charlie,

suffolk 11/03/2008 22:37:49
David of few friends from Pleasantville. You appear to have one friend on this site. I get the impression that you don't approve of smoking.
For those who agree the smoking ban, like the Iraq war, sudden death syndrome and shaken baby syndrome were based on lies and flawed 'expert' opinion should visit Freedom to Choose.
47

David from New Mills,

Friendly, fug free Pleasantville. 11/03/2008 22:52:42
#46, chas w. of Suffolk.
Chas should realise that there are a lot more non-smokes than he and his "friends" at F2S would wish.
I neither approve nor disapprove of smoking, just believe it to be a game for mugs.
The F2S site with its narrow range of all of some 500 members is open for all to visit in the hope of enlightenment. I keep trying.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk

48

english charlie,

suffolk 12/03/2008 13:09:26
David of pleasantville.
You state 'I neither approve not disapprove of smoking'. In that case, why do you criticize everybody that supports smoking?
49

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 12/03/2008 13:28:01
#48. chas w.
If chas w. looks back, he'll see that I criticise those who defend their "right" to smoke where they chose, together with those who oppose any initiatives to wean smokers from their addiction.
National No Smoking Day 12th March, 2008.
For more tips on giving up smoking, visit www.gosmokefree.nhs.uk or www.quit.org.uk

50

Debtman,

12/03/2008 13:38:59
It may be true that people have reduced their smoking because sitting at home I smoke less than if I was in a pub. I also do not smoke cigars any more after a meal, buy a dessert or an Irish Coffee, go to the bookies, have a pint and a fag at lunchtime, play in the pool or darts leagues, go to the cinema etc,etc,etc. I now bet on line, buy my cigarettes from abroad, cook evening meals, play pool and darts at home, watch my Sky TV and save an absolute fortune.

This was not what I wanted. It has been forced on me and I would happily revert to my old ways should this ban be removed. In the meantime I will pay my excess cash into my holiday fund and not spend it in this country where I am being treated as a second class citizen.
51

Belinda-2,

12/03/2008 13:56:43
Smoking ban prompts one in four to drop their smoking rates? But I thought 70 per cent wanted to give up. Looks as if 45 per cent of them changed their minds, then. Could that be a result of the smoking ban too?
52

english charlie,

suffolk 12/03/2008 15:08:51
Yesterday, I went for a coach trip to Belgium £27. Tobacco £2.55 for 50gms. Cigars £4.50 for 50. Spirits much cheaper. Cost of smoking about £5 per week. Less than the cost of 2 pints.
53

Chuckles,

Pleasantville breaking the ban 12/03/2008 15:18:55
No idea DavidNewMills39. hey need to go to the pub now!
54

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 12/03/2008 20:40:38
#53,Chuckles,Pleasantville breaking the ban.
Carlo Rossi seems to have little idea about most things. Just what did he learn in his recent collegiate studies, if anything?
"Hey David see you posted yesterday on the MA."
So was Carlo only dreaming as usual?
Perhaps he'll enjoy his smoke free pub visit. Otherwise, he can go outside. His Freedom, his Choice.
55

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 12/03/2008 20:42:54
#52,chas w.
Could permanent emigration be an option for chas.? Otherwise, why stay in the U.K. and suffer so horribly?
56

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 12/03/2008 20:50:51
#51, Belinda Cunnison.
Or perhaps could it be as a result of their dreadful nicotinic addiction, from which they struggle in vain to free themelves, and sadly fail, thus perpetuating their misery?
57

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 12/03/2008 20:56:13
#50,Debtman.
Could it be his addiction to nicotine that makes him feel like "a second class citizen"? Perhaps the solution lies in his hands.
His Freedom, his Choice.
58

english charlie,

suffolk 12/03/2008 21:23:27
David of Pleasantville
#48 I asked why you criticized everybody who supports smoking.
#49 You said that you 'criticise those who defend their 'right' to smoke, where they chose, together with those who oppose any initiatives to wean smokers from their addiction'.
I did neither and yet you still critise me. you tell untruths, just like ASH.
59

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 12/03/2008 22:34:45
#58, chas w.
I'm always happy to criticise the likes of Petrol Man and stef, who seem to hate the possibility that some people may be weaned off their nicotine addiction.
Others in the smoke camp, notably F2Sers like chas. yearn back to the "good old days" of unrestricted smoking in enclosed public spaces and lobby for a repeal of, or amendment to, smoking restrictions for which pure selfish attitude I've no qualms about feeling free to "critise" them.
If chas. is so very unhappy about his inability to sit in his local pub, supping pints of Greene King's Abbot and I.P.A., and puffing on his clay pipe, so be it. After all, there's always day trips to Belgium as some consolation. So, who's telling porkies then?
60

english charlie,

suffolk 12/03/2008 22:53:31
David of few friends from Pleasantville.
You cannot tell the truth and you make up stories about what I drink and smoke. You huff and puff with the same old rubbish. Definately a member of ASH. David try getting out a bit and find a friend or two, but don't bore them to death.
61

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 12/03/2008 23:12:36
#60, chas. w.
Chas. seems to be the one who's making up stories, in that I am "Definately" not a member of ASH. I huff and puff not at all. Can chas. say the same when he's indulging in his habit of expelling clouds of smoke whilst satisfying his nicotine addiction? If Greene King ales are not to his taste, perhaps he could shoot over to Belgium for some Hoegaarden, and bore the locals there to death with his wartime reminiscing? Can he recall his Dig for Victory misconceptions?
62

english charlie,

suffolk 13/03/2008 11:00:15
It was said that after the smoking ban, alcohol would be next. After the yesterday's Budget I wonder if it the start of Sharia law. If it is, bring it on.
63

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 13/03/2008 11:10:09
#62, chas w.
Seems chas. has something new to look forward to, "if it the start of" a new régime.
64

english charlie,

suffolk 13/03/2008 12:46:27
David of few friends in Pleasantville.
What. I repeat What. No adverse comments. So do you agree with Sharia law?









































obviously
65

english charlie,

suffolk 13/03/2008 12:48:27
Sorry about that. I pressed the 'enter' key, instead of 'delete'.
66

Debtman,

13/03/2008 13:01:58
#Dave. 50.
My 'addiction' does not cause me to feel like a second class citizen. It is the discrimination against smokers and the lies and hypocrisy that affects me. My wife and I both smoke and both work. We have no children so receive no benefits and contribute substantially to the state coffers. Yet because we have an office in our home we are not allowed to smoke there in case a client comes to visit.

In addition, if we get sick (our dentistry is private] we can be denied treatment by the very health fascists whose wages we are paying through direct and indirect taxation. These same people are have never told us to stop giving blood or to have our names removed from organ donor lists which you would expect if we are so diseased ridden. All smokers should remove their names from registers and cease donating blood until we are guaranteed equality with drug addicts,the obese, alcoholics,prostitutes, rapists etc who are all entitled to NHS care. Maybe when the system started to collapse we might receive a little bit of respect.

Finally,if the NHS still does want to treat me, give me back my national insurance contributions and I will go private. Since my medical history is a torn ankle ligament in the last 30 years I am sure it would be cheaper.
67

Fj,

London 13/03/2008 16:02:13
No, no, no, Debtman, this is not the point at all. Do as you're told and if you don't we will punish you by refusing treatment on our 'world class NHS' and we will make it difficult for you to avoid using our wonderful 1st rate NHS. Our leaders have decided what is 'good' for us and that is the end of it. Are you listening at the back? What's sense, fairness and logic got to do with it? exactly, nothing. We can't have David of New Mills upset can we, prat or not. oh and don't worry, David, we're doing our best to make cannabis legal, not lomg now. Now, where were we? ah yes, Marx, Frankfort school and the rise of Mao's red guards.'
68

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 13/03/2008 20:37:57
#64/5, poor old confused chas. of Suffolk.
Chas. seems to have a problem with punctuation, as one would assume he meant to type instead of "What. I repeat What." either "What!! I mean What!!", or "What?? I mean What??", or any combination of exclamation and question marks.
No, I don't advocate Sharia law, but then I didn't say
"if it the start of Sharia law. If it is, bring it on."
Apart from anything else, my grammar's usually better than that displayed in his effort.
69

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 13/03/2008 20:42:19
#52, chas w.
Yesterday, I didn't go for a coach trip to Belgium, so saved at least £27. "Tobacco £2.55 for 50gms. Cigars £4.50 for 50. Spirits much cheaper." My cost of smoking and consuming spirits about £ zero zilch per week. Much less than the cost of 1/2 pint.
70

David from New Mills,

13/03/2008 20:50:27
#67, Fj,London.
Fj's student treatise from the LSE upsets me not an iota. Perhaps it won't be "lomg" before his achievements include the correct spelling of Frankfurt.
71

english charlie,

suffolk 13/03/2008 20:57:54
David of few friends from pleasantville has nothing better to do than go back looking for spelling errors. As I've said to him before i will contiue to make speling mistooks, just to give hin something to do. if hes not moaning about peoples comments, hes moaning about peoples speling. Poor, poor, poor david of few friends frompleasant ville. he says he doesnt skmoe or drink so maybe he is a muslim?
72

english charlie,

suffolk 13/03/2008 21:00:56
#66 Debtman
I'm sure if David went into hospital for a blood transfusion or transplant, that he would ask and make sure that he didn't receive any from a smoker.
73

english charlie,

suffolk 13/03/2008 21:07:20
#67 Fj.
If cannibis was legalised, the Government would tax it to the hilt. Same as heroine and cocaine, which are about the same price as cigarettes and alcohol. The Government, by putting so much tax on cigarettes and alcohol will help get youngsters onto more dangerous drugs.
74

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 13/03/2008 22:15:36
#71, confused old Charlie.
I don't have to look too hard for chas.' spelling and gtammatical errors.
Where did I say I don't drink?
Maybe he is, and maybe he isn't.
75

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 13/03/2008 22:25:24
#72, chas. w.
If I required a blood transfusion or transplant, chas. can be assured I'd gratefully accept a medically suitable one from a smoker, gay person, atheist, drinker, moslem, coloured person, or even from a Suffolk yokel, though I'd prefer the straw to be scraped from the last beforehand.
76

Fj,

London 14/03/2008 07:35:24
#70. Idiot from New mills.

Showing your ignorance again? 'Frankfort on Main'. Frankfurt is a derivation and not been around for a 'lomg' time. Excuse the typing error, I have no wish to upset you but human nature doesn't seem something you're too familiar with. Now, I'm off outside for a fag and a chat about where the LSE is - which, no doubt, you're familiar with - whilst you can have another joint. I won't be arrested, you will, shame.
77

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 14/03/2008 08:15:43
#76,London.
Wise one of London might care to learn the spelling of Frankfurt am Main as it's inhabitants would be more likely to recognise it.
Perhaps he might enjoy a frankfurter or even a hamburger while hunched outside with his legal cigarette?
Not fussed about waiting for the legalisation of cannabis, as I have no lomging to join in the habit, though human nature being what it is, no doubt others will be tempted.
78

Fj,

London 14/03/2008 08:31:37
#73 english charlie.

Yes, I know. The point I'm making is that most, if not all, associated with the implementation of this ban were, in their youth, left wing, pot smoking radicals or associated with them, who were very bitter that tobacco was legal and cannabis wasn't. A lot of this ban is simple revenge. Add to this the desperate attempts to keep medics onside for the preservation of a failing 'NHS', elements of an ideal 'we're in charge' opportunity and you have the basis of it all, no more and no less. B***** all to do with risk.

In the london Mayoral election race, Boris J has said that an ideal way to involve youth in the process would be neighbourhood votes on the smoking ban. If this were to happen, the only people who would vote would be antis and smokers and there's a lot more smokers than anti's. The non smokers didn't care before and don't care now - other than having their conversations interfered with when their smoking mates go out for a fag, so they generally join them - and probably wouldn't bother voting. With this on the horizon, watch the desperate measures that 'Red' Dawn Primarolo will attempt, should be interesting to watch 'em blow themselves apart!
79

Fj,

London 14/03/2008 08:37:52
#77 Idiot from New mills.

Again, you're using modern derivations. Should brush up on your history. Don't believe a word on your 'joints'.

Now, go away. Do something interesting like reading Buddha and 'pumping iron'.
80

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 14/03/2008 09:30:26
#79, the Sage of London.
How "modern" is Fj? He is welcome to believe as he wishes, and I've no particular wish to read Buddha or "pump" iron. To each his own, as I say, even smoking, as long as it's outside.
81

english charlie,

suffolk 15/03/2008 18:15:57
#69 David of few friends from Pleasantville. 'I didn't go for a coach trip to Belgium, saving at least £27'. 'My cost of smoking and consuming spirits about £zero zilch per week'. Sad, sad David, live a little, spend a little. Above all get a life.
82

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 15/03/2008 19:23:53
81, chas w.
Chas. is welcome to go on cross channel jollies in search of imagined "bargains". I live and spend as I wish in the lifestyle that appeals to me. Smoking just doesn't feature in it. Does chas. manage to see owt beyond his duty free emporia?
83

Greg Burrows,

Dewsbury 16/03/2008 00:26:47
As rural and town pubs shut there will soon be an outcry from the very people who thought the ban would be good, when their only local is shut. Why no-smoking pubs and separated areas for no-smokers never worked in the past 25 years was because everyone preferred to be with the smokers, the no smoking areas were always deserted accept for the odd individual (like David from New mills).
Landlords had to return to smoking throughout as it was not economic to have half a pub empty.
84

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 16/03/2008 09:30:20
#83,Greg Burrows,Dewsbury.
"because everyone preferred to be with the smokers". No, not every one. Trouble was, you had little choice, as the smoke and fumes difted everywhere, even between nominally "separated" areas.
Landlords, well some of them, seem to be claiming their pubs are almost deserted now. Wouldn't proper provision for non-smokers have left them half full at least?
85

Greg Burrows,

Dewsbury 17/03/2008 01:51:52
David I just explained in post 83 that non-smokers did not wish to be in the non-smoking area, it was not economic to have everybody touching chins in the smoking area and half the pub deserted except for a couple of people like yourself in half the pub.
86

David from New Mills,

Pleasantville, U.K. 17/03/2008 12:39:31
Greg Burrows,Dewsbury 17/03/2008.
It didn't have to be half, as I'd have been happy squeezing into 10% with the other "person like myself", leaving the rest for the puffers and wheezers, but we never even got that much in most pubs.
Even where we did, many smokers seemed unable to read the "no smoking" signs.
87

Pipe smoker,

Montrose 18/03/2008 10:58:11
The only correlation between the ban and my cutting down smoking is that it can often be annoyingly difficult to light one's pipe in an east coast gale!