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Published Date: 15 November 2009
THE Scottish Government's bid to attract doctors from outside the EU in four key medical disciplines has been rejected by Gordon Brown's Westminster administration, Scotland on Sunday can reveal.
The UK government knocked back an SNP attempt to fast-track job applications of foreign ear, nose and throat (ENT) doctors, biochemists, eye specialists and oral-surgery consultants seeking positions in Scottish hospitals.

Scottish ministers have
argued that a different approach to immigration is required north of the Border and had specified that consultants from outwith the EU were required in Scotland to meet critical shortages in the specialities.

But Scottish ministers have failed in their eforts to persuade Labour counterparts at Westminster to make a special case for the four specialities.

The rejection forms part of the UK government's new immigration strategy, which critics claim is too focused on the needs of southern England. On Thursday, Prime Minister Gordon Brown acknowledged fears about the costs of immigration by announcing a tightening of the rules to stem the flow of skilled migrants into the UK.

Among the new measures taken by Brown was the removal of civil and aircraft engineers, ship's officers and hospital consultants from the list of occupations Britain needs to recruit from abroad.

The SNP administration had made representations to Westminster calling for exceptions in Scotland. The SNP argued that the four key medical categories ought to remain on the in-demand occupation list.

But the only concession made to the SNP was for radiologists to stay on the list.

Michael Russell, the SNP external affairs minister, said he was "disappointed" that the UK government had turned down his plans in a move that is bound to strain the already tense relationship between Edinburgh and Westminster on the immigration issue.

Russell has argued that Westminster, which has responsibility for immigration, should take a more flexible approach to migrant workers that reflects the needs of Scotland.

The request for special treatment for the five health-related occupations were made in the Scottish Government's submission to the Migration Advisory Committee (MAC), a body that advises the UK government.

Last night Russell said: "The Scottish Shortage Occupation list is a welcome flexibility in the immigration system.

"In the submission to MAC we provided evidence on five health-related occupations that we wanted to see on the Scottish Shortage Occupation List. It is disappointing that the committee only recommended that radiologists be retained."

The evidence presented by the Scottish Government was unconvincing, the MAC said, with "no specific information" provided suggesting a shortage of biochemists.

For consultants in ENT, ophthalmology and oral surgery, vacancies in Scottish hospitals "appeared to be at a low level".

It was only when the Scottish Government came to radiologists that it was able to make a good case for them to be placed on the in-demand list.

The radiologist shortage amounted to 14-full time posts out of a Scottish total of 256 full-time positions.

Medical organisations said Westminster was being "complacent." Dr Gordon Lehany of the BMA said: "These specialities do sometimes have problems with recruiting. It would be a great shame if we have identified that need and it is somehow blocked."

The UK government also received a submission from Scottish Care suggesting that care home nurses should be included on the list of Scottish in-demand occupations.

Scottish Care said 13.4 per cent of the nursing home workforce came from outwith the EU and there was a shortage of qualified nurses.

The MAC, however, said that the shortage was not severe enough for an exception to be made for care home nurses.

Russell believes the UK's points based system should be altered so that "London weighting" is removed when potential UK migrants are considered.

Under the current system, potential migrants get points based on their potential income. Therefore higher salaries in the South East of England and London make it easier for them to work in the UK.

Also, a competitive edge that was once enjoyed by Scotland under its Fresh Talent Initiative has disappeared. A Scottish scheme that gave international students the chance to stay in Scotland for two years after their graduation has been rolled out across the rest of the UK.

Russell has suggested that Scottish students should be given an optional third year to retain that edge.







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  • Last Updated: 14 November 2009 8:07 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Immigration and refugees
 
1

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 14/11/2009 23:58:43
Groucho? Smee? care to comment?
2

Brianwci,

15/11/2009 00:39:17
Now come along Jock. London knows best. This is what's known as part of the Union Dividend.
3

Handsome Scotsman,

Stirling 15/11/2009 01:11:48

Maybe Billy Wain can try plead Scotland's case in the first week of his new job.
4

Marga,

Edinburgh 15/11/2009 01:43:08
There seems to be an awful lot of bad news from London for Scotland, its travellers, its poor and its sick coming out at the moment. You would almost think it had been held in the pipeline for some reason...
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 15/11/2009 01:59:38

Gordon Brown, might be quite correct!, the word 'dodgy' comes into the equation.




6

Marga,

Edinburgh 15/11/2009 02:54:40
Well, more bad news - this time it's "London vetoes:

http://www.dcthomson.co.uk/MAGS/POST/postindex.htm

A MAJOR row has erupted between Westminster and Holyrood after the UK Government vetoed the proposed new HQ of the British-Irish Council in Edinburgh.

Representatives of Scotland, Northern Ireland, the Irish Republic, the Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey all voted for the permanent secretariat to be based in the Scottish capital.

However the move was vetoed by Welsh Secretary Peter Hain, who was representing the UK, at a meeting of the BIC on Friday, in Jersey.

The UK Government has been accused of being spiteful towards the SNP and of anti-Scottish discrimination. But Downing Street has responded angrily by accusing the SNP of a breach of protocol in going public on the matter.

7

The system has crashed,

Scotland 15/11/2009 02:59:05
Well done London.

The immigrant doctors the Scottish Government are attempting to bring to Scotland, if successful, would of course have been dumped into the NHS. Wee Salmond and even wee’er Sturgeon would of course, if ill. not have to use the immigrant doctors’ ‘‘skills’’.
8

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 15/11/2009 08:18:52
The fetters of union.
9

Queen D,

15/11/2009 08:24:06
7 , can't leave that stupid comment up there without countering it.

The NHS has had doctors and nurses from accross the globe since its inception , in fact it would have collapsed without them.

Many years ago in the Western Infirmary I had the good fortune to have an Iraqi and Indian surgeon looking after me.
Both caring ,careful men and both considered "the tops" by the nursing staff.

My first daughter was delivered by a nigerian and Ceylonese nurse, my second arrived too fast for medical help and my third was delivered by a nurse from the Caribbean on her twentieth delivery.

I was cared for by all these great professionals extrememly well.
10

thinking,

Scotland 15/11/2009 08:28:20
It wasn't long ago that there were not enough places for home grown docs.
What happened to them?
11

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 15/11/2009 08:33:21
Broon may have blocked the intake of foregn doctors to Scotland but no doubt will continue to tolerate illegal immigrants by the busload so they can seek asylum at our expense. Inverted values - you bet.
12

Pilrig.,

Livingston 15/11/2009 08:54:22
7 whae needs immigrant doctors ? I'm sure the "Scottish Defence League" hae GPs in their ranks. Thank Christ for the "SDL", whit would we dae withoot them ? !
13

noswod,

Honestas 15/11/2009 09:12:18
Doesney Scotland hae medical schools, trainee Docktors, systems tae develop docktors and train them in hospitals especially since 3x's as much money is being spent on health as it wis during Thatchers days?
Looks like we should increse the % of Scots in Scottish medical schools tae solve the problem instead O giving a the places awa tae people who willney stay here only extract the training at a low international cost and then its a plane ticket and awf.
14

DialMforMurdoX,

15/11/2009 09:26:49
We can't afford the Union.
15

Alice Cooper,

15/11/2009 09:40:14
i thought the NHS was a devolved matter for scotland?
jah herr broon is putting in the boot,as his wee pals in scotland cant stand being out of power in the parli
so spit out the dummy and delay laws being passed,stop scots from having a say etc
then roll out lardy foulkes to piddle off everyone
half of labours backbenchers would have been hanged or burnt at the stake,no baillie a stake not a steakbake,
meanwhile on bbc 2 we have queen of the harpies kirsty (hi jack)wark,labours weapon to shout at salmond during interviews,she has no more manners than a pig,oh right at home with the troughers
maybe we should all demand a refund for nightmareish tv from the nasty aunty beeb
more like baby jane in drag
16

New Danielrober,

15/11/2009 10:18:30
There is no way we have a shortage of biochemists. At best a short term, equipment training issue may be in existence, but not a professional shortage.
17

Iain Ban,

15/11/2009 10:46:08
So, the London New Labour executive would rather that sick Scots die than assist our government in recruiting doctors from abroad? Maybe the hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan are not enough for Brown. Why no headline from this newspaper along the lines of "Vote New Labour and die".
18

danbob,

15/11/2009 10:56:58
A non story. There are enough qualified doctors in these fields already in the UK. The fact that they are not attracted to work in Scotland should be the issue here.
19

The system has crashed,

Scotland 15/11/2009 13:27:28
9 Queen D,

Have you noticed the horrendous state the NHS is in - patients are dying from diseases picked up inside the hospital wards. Doctors and nurses from third world countries - Britain now has a third world NHS. Haven’t you noticed - the NHS is in meltdown. We need to train our own doctors and nurses and keep them here.
20

The system has crashed,

Scotland 15/11/2009 13:28:19
12Pilrig,

What does the ‘SDL’ have to do with immigrant doctors? - unless in your stupid wee mind, you are of the opinion that ‘SDL’ stands for Scottish Doctor League.
21

Hobbe,

15/11/2009 16:27:27
"Have you noticed the horrendous state the NHS is in - patients are dying from diseases picked up inside the hospital wards. Doctors and nurses from third world countries - Britain now has a third world NHS. Haven’t you noticed - the NHS is in meltdown. We need to train our own doctors and nurses and keep them here."

What a load of rubbish.

Your last sentence is a bigger joke than you are, it sounds more like the kind of guff labour would come up with, the very people who are ruining Scotland because they fear we eon't vote for them in enough numbers and so are kowtowing to an England that won't vote for them either.
22

The system has crashed,

Scotland 15/11/2009 17:43:10
21,Hobbe

*Death toll from hospital bugs hits new high:
More than 30,000 people have died after contracting the hospital infections MRSA and Clostridium difficile in just five years, official figures will show this week.
Data from the Office for National Statistics covering 2004 to 2008 is expected to show record numbers of deaths linked to the superbugs in England and Wales.
Opposition politicians said the Government had allowed "a horrifying death toll" because of its "slow and sloppy" response to spiralling levels of infection in NHS hospitals.

And the Victoria Infirmary in Glasgow is no exception.

Wake up, smell the coffee, tune into what’s happening about you - if you don’t you will be treated like a ‘load of rubbish’ - you will be the deceased joke.

*Telegraph.co.uk
23

Hobbe,

15/11/2009 18:41:00
Sorry mate, I just happen to be somebody who not only works for the NHS but has an insight beyond a google.

However I am glad that you anti NHS rant relied on quoting England and Wales and then depended on making a statement about Glasgow somehow.

Hospital aquired infections do not prove that the NHS is in meltdown or a failure, thousands of surgigal procedures every week, thousands of treatments for medical conditions say otherwise, so don't be daft.

And the 'opposition' parties snipe from the sidelines but won't be the solution, merely playing at politics is not the solution and neither is google.
24

Hobbe,

15/11/2009 18:44:11
Still, the facts are that London is the last bunch of numpty ministers to block Scotland's needs for the NHS, from any perspective they should be using their policies to address the many many problems in England and Wales and show more respect for the fact that Scotland is in charge of her NHS because we are best placed to represent the interests of patients in Scotland.
25

The system has crashed,

Glasgow 15/11/2009 18:55:17
23Hobbe,

Sorry mate, trying to cover up the decadence of which you are a part of?

The google covered England and Wales. The hospital acquired infections are also in Scotland. Poor hygiene, couldn’t care less attitude of hospital staff, too many pen pushers, it all adds up to a NHS in meltdown. The NHS stinks, so don’t be daft, don’t try and cover it up.

 

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