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Published Date: 07 October 2008
IT IS a journey that has taken millions of years, but finally, we are approaching our destination.
One of Britain's pre-eminent geneticists has declared that mankind's tumultuous evolution is now close to completion, and we now inhabit utopia.

Professor Steve Jones, head of the department of genetics, evolution and environment at University College London, believes the advancements of the modern age means we are now close to our biological pinnacle.

He is due to elaborate on his controversial theory at a lecture this afternoon, the crux of which suggests we can now expect little in the way of progress.

Last night, Prof Jones said: "If you are worried about what utopia is going to be like, don't.

"At least in the developed world, and at least for the time being, you are living in it now."

However, his peers have urged caution, pointing out that his argument applies only in developed western countries, where medical advances and improved living environments have suppressed evolution and allowed man to prosper.

Prof Jones is also set to point out that the impact of the three components to evolution – natural selection, mutation and random change – has been significantly lessened in modern life.

He explained yesterday: "In ancient times, half our children would have died by the age of 20. Now, in the western world, 98 per cent of them are surviving to the age of 21.

"Our life expectancy is now so good that eliminating all accidents and infectious diseases would only raise it by two years. Natural selection no longer has death as a handy tool."

Mutation rates were also slowing down, he added. And while chemical and radioactive pollution can influence genetic changes, one of the most important mutation triggers is advanced age in men.

He added: "Perhaps surprisingly, the age of reproduction has gone down – the mean age of male reproduction means most conceive no children after the age of 35. Fewer older father means that if anything, mutation is going down."

Random alterations to the human genetic blueprint were also less likely in a world that has become an ethnic melting pot, according to Prof Jones.

He said: "Humans are 10,000 times more common than we should be, according to the rules of the animal kingdom, and we have agriculture to thank for that. Without farming, the world population would probably have reached half a million by now – about the size of the population of Glasgow.

"Worldwide, all populations are becoming connected and the opportunity for random change is dwindling."

Prof Jones is not the only scientist to believe mankind will struggle to evolve from its present state. In his book, Future Evolution, Peter Ward, a paleontologist at the University of Washington, claims that only by interbreeding and allowing bioengineering can a new species emerge.

But Professor Chris Stringer, research leader in human origins at the Natural History Museum, London, said the idea that evolutionary pressures were no longer taking their toll on humanity was true of only western civilisation.

He said: "The argument that modern life has stemmed the effects of evolution is true in some areas, such as the way in which medicine has improved health and wellbeing, and the fact I am not out in the cold and wet, but sitting in a nice, warm office with heat and clothing. But that is very much something that applies only in developed, western countries. You only need look to Africa to see how HIV/Aids is still having an enormous impact on selection, and I believe that genetics will continue to play a part in our evolution."


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  • Last Updated: 07 October 2008 12:58 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 02:32:20


The Picture is one of, 'new life'

One Wonders many things!

Couple of Points!

With the ever increasing fertility rate Problems, will we even be having 'Babies' in the Future,? we might just have a Problem to survive, as the Human-race.

Next!,.."tool of natural selection"!

Do you think it correct, to abort the Baby in the Picture,?

A "tool of natural selection"! that many will do by choice.
2

Joseph Gibson,

Stevenston 07/10/2008 02:35:26
I think Steve Jones is trying to become a prophet or simply trying to make a name for himself in years to come. Only time will tell whether his theory is correct or just plain rude.
3

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 07/10/2008 03:11:40
1894, a nobel prize winner thought that most of physics had been discovered, conceptualized and expressed mathematically! So I'm leery with genetics. Mankind could even be deteriorating. Early industrialisation, overcrowding and lack of sanitation certainly curtailed human life and expectations. How further back is ancient?

It's conceivable that societies not perpetually at war were healthy, long-lived and knowlegible about plants, diet and medecine. Astronomy too when the skies were clearer. Mebbe there were "golden ages".

As a thought experiment, an intelligent peaceful alien knocks on my door. What earthian artifact would impress him? Not my computers and shiny metallic stuff as they arrived here with 100 X better stuff. And why do I travel in a hydrocarbon boinger when our engineers and scientists devoloped non-polluting alternatives 20 years back. Why do humans delve into the planet's hull, sift it, and put it to missiles and "power stations"? We looked at your "television" and were utterly perplexed that only thick, malevolent, psychopathic human sorts are boasted your "world leaders".

I'd hope to delight him with a polynesian proa (all natural crafted ingredients and supersexy vortex sail) and a modern western composite hybred. The future wave is happily polynesian.
4

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 07/10/2008 06:02:02
There are too many space cadets posting on this thread !!
5

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 07/10/2008 07:09:27
The aliens are here already, running the country into the ground, its called 'political selection', only the demented will survive...
6

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 07/10/2008 07:10:50
We are busy evolving ourselves out of existence.

Either we reduce our population or nature will do it for us.

Rev Malthus is a greater prophet than Steve.
7

Claudero,

Hamilton 07/10/2008 07:35:17
I seem to remember that the Haldane brothers, respectively the uncle and the father of JBS Haldane and Naomi Mitchison, came out with words to similar effect before 1900. Quite right too! Except I don't think they mentioned any "pinnacle of evolution", a rather dopey idea as regards the species.
8

Guga II,

Rockall 07/10/2008 07:35:28
The sky is falling. We're all doomed.
9

Thelma,

Australia 07/10/2008 07:46:39
For this article to make sense you have to actually believe that evolution is real. Can anyone explain how, by evolution, we get flowers, fish, birds, animals, insects and humans? And so many different species, varieties etc...all from one cell created in some kind of a big bang! Seems less than likely to me.
10

Bigwull,

edinburgh 07/10/2008 08:09:29
9 away back to chapel, science not superstition
11

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 07/10/2008 08:22:07
No 9:- And some unseen person in the sky making it all out of nothing (and in six days) and making man to look like himself and then making woman out of mans rib seems more likely to you does it?
12

Conan the Librarian™,

07/10/2008 08:23:19
9
Ok Thelma, a large guy with a long white beard did it all and ran away.
13

hertscot,

07/10/2008 08:23:32
#9
You came from one cell (ovum), which met another cell (spermatozoa) a few days after a big bang.
Simple.
14

Nell,

07/10/2008 08:23:37
"we are now close to our biological pinnacle".
Hmmmppphhhh, not from what I see when I walk around the local shopping centre.
15

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 07/10/2008 08:23:45
#10

I suggest a trip to the bookshop. I think you'll find what you're looking for.
16

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 07/10/2008 08:24:55
Sorry Bigwull. My post at #15 was directed at #9.
17

Boy Wonder,

07/10/2008 08:25:44
What a lot of nonsense. Evolution wiil continue because that's what life does. Does this professor not think that in the murky past, the evolution of humans was slow?? His statement is predicated on the belief that modern humans have only been around a short time, as evolutionary ages go. At school, I was taught Man had only been around for about a milluin years. That's now been pushed back to 3.5 million. It will go back further yet.

And our bodies will adapt and mutate to other conditions over time. Gills? Expect them to evolve in about a million years or so. And other conditions out in the Universe will change us.

Then there's the X-Men kind of mutations. The kind caused by unknown forces. We are still very ignorant of what other rules the Universe has to throw at us!

Professor JOnes reminds me verty much of the Victorian sientist who said that there were no more worlds to conquer.

All he's done is bury his head in the sand!!!
18

Boy Wonder,

07/10/2008 08:26:52
*excuse typos ... my eyes are still blurry!!!
19

Gallan,

Cambridge 07/10/2008 09:30:14
There are two main factors that drive evolution, death before reproduction and the reproduction rate itself.

It only takes a small difference in either to make a large change after say 100 generations.

Jones only seems to argue that the death rate is no longer a force driving evolution. That still leaves birth rates acting.

Clearly there are many genetic factors and behaviours controlled by genetics that could lead to increased birth rates for individuals that over a 100 generations would result in a completely different population of genes.

I'm sure readers can have fun suggesting a few of these!
20

fred bloggs,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 09:36:31
The global financial meltdown is already taking care of the hedge fund managers.

Global warming will take care of coastal dwellers and climate change deniers.

The end of oil will take care of the infernal combustion engine.
21

WKKB,

07/10/2008 09:37:17
speaking of the age of reproduction going down, I think it's a case of people not wanting big families and they start later in life, so between say 27ish and 35ish they have their 2 kids and are done. At least that's the way it seems in the larger cities where my family has lived. However in the more rural areas we've lived we've seen larger families, started at an earlier age and couples still having children well into their 40's. It's all a choice... I believe. As for the rest of this article, I think this guy just wants to have his name plastered all over the history books and science journals as having made some huge change in the way evolution happens. It sounds to me he's more into genetic mutation at the hands of scientists. I could be wrong though.. HAHAHA
22

Iain D,

Tunbridge Wells 07/10/2008 09:50:17
We are the first species to reverese evolution. The idea is that the best, fittess, brightess survive to breed. With our social policies our prime breeding stock is lowering its birth rate and having its few children late in life (increasing the chances of gentic abnormalities). The underclass is encouraged to have as many children to maximise their benefits and as a result drag down the gene pool.
23

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 07/10/2008 09:51:41
#9 Thelma: "For this article to make sense you have to actually believe that evolution is real."

Thelma, as an Australian - you are a glowing example of what 'artificial' natural selection can achieve in terms of human evolution, i.e. someone who can discount the last 100 years of the growth of human knowledge, science, archaelogy, genetics etc. Might that have something to do with the origins of Australians?
24

Geraldine Firequeen,

the pits of Nelson 07/10/2008 10:49:49
what time do you get up, Charles Linskaill, in order always to be the first to post? Or do you have a special arrangement? Do you post to every item, or is it just that we are interested in the same ones?
25

Charles Linskaill,

On the mobile at the Doctors 07/10/2008 12:17:45


Geraldine ~26,

Nope dont post on every topic, only the ones I know about or have a view on, so maybe we do have the same interests,

First post? I am a little late hawk and post just after midnight, should really be in my bed, :)
26

japhenjam,

The Burgh 07/10/2008 12:28:17
Man you are all in for a fright, when the Big Man does come back to take all his people away you will all be on your knees begging for forgiveness for turning this world into the hole it is. And yes you may think and laugh to yourself another religious nut having their say, but just keep watching, it's coming soon............
27

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 07/10/2008 12:28:51
On matters Australian, "No publication or bibliography exists on the subject of the "Cyclonic Granulometry Pattern of Pleistocene Sedimentation"

Wherefor there is general ignorance anent the ground whereon we stand.
28

Regret,

07/10/2008 12:47:44
Where are the medical miracles? We are so advanced, so where are the cures for HIV/Aids and cancers? Prof Jones may seem to have some interesting ideas but the fact of more babies living to 21 - those are just the ones that have had a chance to be born! In our day and age, because of legalized abortion, we are seeing the negative effects in our populations. Have the Einsteins of the present and future been eliminated through these abortions? Guess what? We will never know. The destination of the human race should have always been caring for the present generation and world.
29

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 07/10/2008 12:53:46
As Boy Wonder posted, evolution is ongoing and why Professor Jones made this preposterous statement eludes me.

Perhaps he wants to go down in the annals of genetic study as being prescient.

Balderdash.

Evolution is STILL ongoing.
30

hertscot,

07/10/2008 12:54:50
# So abortion stops evolution? was that your point?
31

hertscot,

07/10/2008 12:55:38
sorry, post 32 directed at 30.
32

Captain Flint,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 14:31:21
The good doctor isn't saying that evolution has stopped. What he is saying is that human evolutionary development has hit its high water mark, at least in the developed world. So from here on in, we're basically going to regress.

But that shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Eventually we'll become extinct - just like every other species eventually does - and the world will carry on as before. Nothing to get too excited about, in evolutionary terms. Against this backdrop, a single human lifespan is just the blink of an eye. I guess that this is why it's so hard for many of us to get a grip on evolution in the first place. I mean, just look at Thelma, hiding her ignorance behind a made up god.
33

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 14:52:55


Regret ~30,

How is life with you?, I hope all is well as can be expected.
34

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 07/10/2008 15:03:04
Very good, FS. Have you established your own currency and banking regulations yet, 'gainst the threat of going icelandic or ballistic? For the £ may be droppin' like a solan. Will you be allied with Orkney and Norway for vital supplies of grain and timber? Tidal power? or are there secret plans for developing zero point fluctuation technology at Scalloway college.
35

Cheezy,

East Kilbride 07/10/2008 15:15:05
I feel that Prof Jones has maybe evolved to his maximum potential in his role as a scientist because to come out with a statement like that is just ridiculous!! how can he possibly see into the future? if our evolution is complete we might as well give up now!! have u ever been to glasgow on a saturday night?? not my idea of a fully evolved race!! but i must say i cant wait to we have gills. life will be that little bit more excitin!!
36

Danepiper,

USA 07/10/2008 15:16:23
#22
There's truth in what you say. Also, Birth Control Pills and Estrogen additives to beef in feed lots has reduced male hormones and drive. The stuff is excreted and ends up in re-consumed in the water supply of dense population areas like Europe, Britain, and USA East of the Mississippi. There is a science fact for you!
37

scuirle,

Derry 07/10/2008 15:33:50
What many of you have missed is that we are 'dumbing down'. Instead of evolving by way of natural selection, the world (mostly Western and of that, mostly American) strives to protect the stupid people allowing them to procreate and produce even more stupid people. Look at the warnings on products, e.g., 'Don't use hair dryer while standing in water.' While on the other hand, the intelligent people are having fewer children - one to two per couple. So, the intelligent people are producing fewer children, while the stupid people are producing more. Where do you think the planet is heading?
38

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 07/10/2008 16:05:49
"The proof that the universal substratum of space with nonmaterial properties has REAL EXISTENCE is provided by deriving the basic properties of the electron (mass, charge, inertia, gravity, locality, etc.) from the space vortex structure, and experimentally observed physical behavior."

"The hypothesis of chronotopology is that whether you have pointers of any kind -- ionospheric disturbances or planetary orbits -- independently of those pointers, time itself has a flux, a wave motion. "

"In quantum physics there's this notion that the underlying basis for the physical universe are probability waves -- nonphysical, nonmaterial waves -- underlying everything."

"These waves are STANDING WAVES. Actually the wave-particle so-called paradox is not that bad, when you consider that a particle is a wave packet, a packet of standing waves. That's why an electron can go through a plate and leave wavelike things. Actually our bodies are like fountains. The fountain has a shape only because it's being renewed every minute, and our bodies are being renewed. So we are standing waves; we are no exception. "

"Time is the master control. I will give you an illustration of that. If you take a moment of time, this moment cuts through the entire physical universe as we're talking. It holds all of space in itself. But one point of space doesn't hold all of time. In other words, time is much bigger than space."

"A line of time is then an occurrence, and a wave of time is a recurrence. And then if you get out from the circle of time, if you break that, as we know we do, we develop, and then we're on a helix, because we come around but it's a little different each time."

Conversation. What is time? It seems possible (for the less ignorant) to see a little way into the future.

Time the deer.
39

danbob,

07/10/2008 17:10:16
What an absolute ar** of a man. According to him murder, rape, robbery, theft, violence, living with disease, HIV, starvation, war, all of this is utopia. Of course people in other countries like African countries must have a different utopia. Or could it be that in the world of riches and wealth that prof Jones lives in they just don't matter? It just shows how shallow and misguided these people who think they are intelligent really are. Why people hang on to every word these fools utter is a source of great amazement to me.
40

Allan(handofgod137),

07/10/2008 17:33:25
The welfare state is the biggest obstacle to natural selection.
41

danbob,

07/10/2008 19:23:59
44# You have just contradicted yourself. You say

"As long as religion remains anthropocentric and blinkered towards holistic philosophies" and then "say utopia is when man learns to live a one with his environment and in harmony with each other"

What do you think christian values are? your first statement or your second?

I agree to an extent with your statement

"so our unsustainable lifestyles may eventually be wiped out or 'normalised' by natural forces instead. These natural forces will kick in as soon as oil reserves run out".

Broadly agree with this. I think what we in this country don't grasp is that the west has climbed much higher up the ladder of progress than say Africa. However this just means a longer and more painful fall. "Utopia" I think not.
42

inkster,

07/10/2008 21:06:39
Yok Finney 41

I\But if time is infinite even the helix must recur exactly
43

Rami,

Derry, New Hampshire U.S. 07/10/2008 22:39:36
So hard to believe that we all have come as for as we
have! I mean, the Dinosours became extinct science
tells us 65 million years ago; so somewhere along the
way mankind was either made by a superior being or we
started to evolve from something from somewhere on this
planet I think? Maybe somebody or some highly intellectualy human being could shed some lite on this
guest/question/quire or just puzzled......
44

argonaut,

east lothian 08/10/2008 00:26:54

gee what's really scary are the ' creationists ' posting, hard to believe but if McCain becomes president, the creationist Sarah Palin will be a missed heartbeat from the oval office - a president that believes in intelligent design has to be one of the most frightening issues facing mankind.....hey folks its your lipstick pitbull leader here, just to let you know that i can confirm that all wild animals have been terminated in north america, no cars under 4 litres are allowed, all kids to be taught how god made the earth and individually designed all life forms - darwin was a fruitcake and on an end note I only pressed to red button to preserve our democracy and future oil supplies. yep if we are here cos of intelligent design then the big man upstairs must no be very intelligent.
overpopulation is the worlds big problem, for all our good intentions we have became victims of our own success to the detriment of every other living thing on the planet, the bigger the pop the more we consume - its never ending - its madness that most of the developing world is either catholic or muslim and neither advocate effective contraception. as recent events show raw capitalism cannot be the way to make the world go round, capitalism has its place but not to the extent that it destroys states.
45

Jock H. the Republic of Scotland,

Arvada, Colorado, USA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Re/Niddrie 08/10/2008 00:29:17
A little word in your ear people,,,, THERE ARE NO ATHEISTS IN HELL,,,,,,,,,,,
46

tomi,

08/10/2008 01:54:07
An athiests fairy story!
47

Thelma,

Australia 08/10/2008 04:02:02
Please see these quotes from people far more qualified than I am to argue against evolution..by the way I'm not Australian - I'm Scottish.

Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless.” Professor Louis Bounoure, Director of Research, National Center of Scientific Research, The Advocate, 8 March 1984.

“I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it has been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future.” Malcolm Muggeridge (British philosopher), The Advocate, March 8 1984.
48

MichScot,

USA 08/10/2008 04:23:45
Thank you, Thelma!

 

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