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Published Date: 19 February 2008
CHILDREN under the age of two are regularly eating sugary foods and drinks as an established part of their diet, a major study has warned.
And in a stark illustration of a growing social divide, the Scottish Government report links poverty and a low level of a parental education to the amount of sugary snacks they give their children.

The survey found 66 per cent of children whose
mothers had no qualifications ate sweets and chocolate once a day or more – but only 37 per cent of youngsters whose mothers had Higher grades or above had such foods daily.

Growing Up in Scotland, a survey of more than 7,000 parents designed to create the most comprehensive overview of childhood in Scotland, also revealed that 23 per cent of youngsters aged under four are overweight.

The latest findings come just months after a major international study placed Scotland second only to the US among the world's developed nations for obesity.

The Growing Up in Scotland survey also showed 90 per cent of children ate sweets or chocolates at least once a week, and 43 per cent once a day or more.

And although 85 per cent of respondents said they had received information on children's diets and healthy eating, only 11 per cent said what they gave their children to eat depended on their knowledge of cooking.

Experts expressed alarm and warned parents are storing up major problems for the future health of their youngsters.

Nutritionist Carina Norris urged action to end the "worrying" link between poverty and poor diet. She said: "It's something, especially in Scotland, that we need to address. There are whole areas of the country where it is harder to find healthy food."

She described the amount of sugar children are consuming as a sign that the diet of the youngest Scots is "going off the rails". She said: "Usually children get more overweight as they get older, so to actually find that high percentage at such a young age is very worrying."

Ms Norris demanded action on why the healthy eating message was not being listened to.

She said: "There's a real need to know why these people are not following the advice because we so desperately need them to do so."

Growing Up in Scotland reveals lack of activity may contribute to the obesity epidemic, with 63 per cent of children aged 22 months watching television every day. Children from lower-income households, or with parents without educational qualifications, were more likely to demonstrate difficult behaviour.

And the report warns the level of parental education needs to be raised to prevent the poor health of children from deprived backgrounds.

Hazel Ross, the national co-ordinator of Counterweight, a group which was set up in 2000 to tackle obesity in adults, said it is expanding its efforts this year to look at the impact its efforts are having on overweight parents' children.

She said that what happens in the home has more influence on the way children eat than any messages coming from nurseries or schools.

As parents struggle to eat more fruit and vegetables and give up fatty, sugary snacks themselves, they also allow their offspring to have unhealthy food.

"I know in England there has been a huge focus on schools and vending machines, but my argument would be you have to start in the home, because by the time the kids get to school they already have their habits developed."

And she warned of the persisting myth that growing children would easily burn off high-calorie food.

She added: "Clearly, we are finding they are not running it off as they once would have done when they were perhaps more active."

The report found that 43.2 per cent of the children in the survey, who were all aged under four, had sweets or chocolates once a day or more, with 90 per cent having these at least once a week.

In addition, 90 per cent of children ate crisps or savoury snacks at least once a week, with 45.6 per cent eating these at least once a day.

The Scottish Government has launched a Scottish Diet Action Plan to improve the nation's health, alongside a national physical activity strategy called Let's make Scotland more Active.

Over the next three years, £56.5 million has been promised for initiatives dedicated to tackling obesity, healthy eating and physical activity including "family-focused intervention".

An obesity action plan will be published early this year, providing further details of these initiatives.

Adam Ingram, Scotland's children's minister, yesterday said the number of youngsters eating junk food was "a concern".

He said tackling the "serious problem" of obesity was a high priority for the Scottish Government.

Jamie Stone, the Liberal Democrat health spokesman, called for more support for parents to encourage their children to eat healthily.

This is the first time that questions about diet have been included in the Growing Up in Scotland survey – which is tracking some 8,000 families of children.

Researchers spoke to parents who had children aged approximately 22 months and also to those who had children aged about 46 months.

We are great believers that if you put out fruit children will eat it

HEALTHY food choices for their two daughters come naturally to Jo Duncan, who is a GP, and her husband, Ross.

The Edinburgh couple have been taking part in the Growing Up in Scotland survey since it began in 2005. Their daughters, Isla, three, and Maisie, two, are rarely given unhealthy snacks.

Mr Duncan, 32, said: "We agreed to take part in the survey because we wanted to help out and we were happy to give our perspective of what it's like bringing up our girls. They rarely get any kind of sugary sweets. We only give them chocolate every now and again.

"They might get a little bit of chocolate a couple of times a week, but we don't buy them a big bar; we just give them a couple of chocolate pennies, or something like that."

Mr Duncan said that both the girls were a healthy weight for their age.

He said: "If they have toast, we will give them butter, because it is good for them to have some fats. And obviously they have full-fat milk. But the kind of foods they tend to eat are lots of pasta dishes and stews.

"We tend to make everything ourselves, so we don't buy ready-meals for them."

However, he believes their example is atypical of parents with young children.

Mr Duncan said: "If you go out, you tend to see other parents putting crisps and chocolate out for the children to nibble on.

"We are great believers that if you put out fruit the children will eat it.

"The girls went to a pantomime recently and all the mothers had chocolate for their kids, but Jo just had fruit for ours," he said.

"Fortunately, Isla isn't interested in all the rubbish the other kids were eating; she was quite happy having her fruit."

Mr Duncan believes that a lot of parents feel they have to give their children treats to keep them happy.

However, he did not believe that was necessary, saying: "It just goes the other way; it makes it more difficult."

The girls also rarely watch television, unlike most of the children whose parents were surveyed.

"They hardly ever watch it, really. Maisie just doesn't watch it at all because we never really put it on," Mr Duncan said.

"They play together quite well, although Isla's going through a phase when she might watch 15-20 minutes of Stuart Little before bed," he went on.

"They don't watch anything during the day, because usually Jo is out and about with them and getting them involved in doing things."

In their spare time, the family enjoy walking in the countryside because the girls like seeing the horses and sheep in the fields.





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  • Last Updated: 18 February 2008 9:05 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Children's Diet
 
1

Crank Parent,

Livingston 19/02/2008 00:07:10
Some folks think it's okay to feed their babies Wotsits, even when they've been warned. That's fine by me - natural selection at work.
2

jerrymanders,

Knowing it all before you die. 19/02/2008 00:51:09
Some folk think it's OK to feed their babies a vegan diet too. Gripewater. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 00:59:48
Yes the..'self righteous' have come on here and given their story!
Little telly..little treats!
It may work well just now for the Duncan's.. but why alienate their children from being..'the norm',?
I DONT mean eating sweets and watching telly all-day!
But you can have a,...'Happy-Medium'!
My Daughters were not introduced to say chocolate at an early age, never denied "Telly", my ex always did home cooking for them, treats were introduced well after, breast feeding and just after the introduction of solids, but limited,
'Potty-Time-Training',?..well the treats were introduced..call it..'Bribery'.. but it worked a,
"TREAT"..:-))
They had treats,,watched telly and grew up fine and are,
'Happy-as-Punch'..'Educated'..Not over a size '10' and are, not some..'strange creature' that Mummy and Daddy brought up!
'Happy Medium' is the word!
Don't..'Alienate' them!,,you will only have future trouble!
Why bring your child up,..'per text book',?
They are..'Individuals' not a..'Medical Experiment'!

Yes some parents..'don't have a clue'
But neither do they, that deny their children the 'norm',
CBBC and some..'Chocolate Buttons'
The 'self righteous' parents are as stupid as the,
'don't have a clue' parents!
The outcome for both scenarios is just off,
Detriment to their children!
Be like me and..'live and let live'
My Daughters are the proof!
Don't come on here with..'The richeous'..Rubbish!
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Scullion,

Canada 19/02/2008 01:10:57
I've just finished a book my Michael Marmot who states that in parts of Glasgow some supermarkets don't even bother stocking fresh fruit or veg as they won't sell any of it. True?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 01:11:05
Crank Parent'#1,
'WELL REMEMBERED'
Here is the link..copy and paste to your search box!
And enjoy the maddness! :-D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=455443&in_page_id=1770
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jerrymanders,

Beaver trappin, it's a way of life. 19/02/2008 01:24:05
#5

I hear your schools don't teach, and bookshops don't stock, anything pre-1900. Is that true?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 01:25:46
Sacramonious..hypocritical, dont do our children any good!
8

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, Fl 19/02/2008 01:33:21
Um, who pays for these 'surveys' and the consequent analysis by 'experts'? What end is served by doing them?

So poorer, less-well-educated people feed their children less healthy food. Wow! What a discovery! But............

I could have saved a lot of time and money by relating the state of things when I was a child. The folks in cave number seven were always a bit hoity-toity - him with his job overseeing the mammoth skinning. Of course, they got the choice cuts from the hind legs. Me and mine? Well, dad was a lowly leaf-picker-upper and the work was seasonal so mostly we ate..........dried leaves.

Was all of this 'scientific survey' simply justification for another bout of government meddling in Scotland's eating habits?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 01:47:54
John Blackley @#9
You..'said it'..'Well-Done'!

I tell you what!

If DYW gets pregnant and I do it..'all-over-again'

Our Babies..'Tots'..WONT BE DENIED CHOCOLATE AND TREATS,

THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO WATCH TELLY, FROM A YOUNG AGE!

THET WILL BE..'NORMAL'

AND WITH A BIT OF LUCK,, LIKE MY LAST TWO,
WILL HAVE 'Professional Careers'!
Deny them treats and Telly,?

NOT A CHANCE!

FOR GOD'S SAKE....'GET-REAL'!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 01:57:58
And YES we will take..'Toddler' to McDonald's for a,
'Happy Meal' on occasion!

And they still wont be.."Fatties"!
THEY WILL BE NORMAL CHILDREN!
WHATS WRONG WITH THAT,?
I Cant be bothered by all this,..'Sacramonious..Sh**'!
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Julian.,

edinburgh 19/02/2008 02:07:22
Charles,

Calm down. I think they were talking about people who do that sort of thing on more than the odd occassion.

John Blackley # 9

"Um, who pays for these 'surveys' and the consequent analysis by 'experts'? What end is served by doing them?"

I suppose if they didn't do the surveys and just pointed the finger they would be accused of snobbery and prejudice,

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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 02:18:21
Julian @#12,
It makes my..'blood boil'!
Yes you get the..'NO Clue's' Parents'!
But time and time again, I have witnessed the,
'NO Clue's' Parents'
As having a Professional Job and career,
Their wanting to do it by 'perfection' makes me sick!
As it will do their child in later years!
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Julian.,

edinburgh 19/02/2008 02:24:49
Charles,

Yes, I hate the sanctimonious crap as well.

But what I hate even more is innocent kids being piled full of junk food by lazy parents who should know better. I mean how many A-levels do you need to know that fresh fruit and veg are good and lots of sugar, fat and artificial additives are bad?
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19/02/2008 02:25:36
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 02:27:27
HarderTruth @#14,
'Tut Tut'..Don't be Cheeky!
To your Pier! :-D
17

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 02:31:10
GalacticCannibal @#16,
Listen I must go bed!
Me No Like "shrooms"..DYW is Better!
But thankyou for your last sentence!
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viking nz,

new zealand 19/02/2008 04:20:54
As usual people always take findings out of concept as one post said once a week never killed anyone , but its the other parents that dont give a dam if it shuts the kid up ,I was in a bakery in one of my trips back home paisley to be exact , this 22 year old giving a 18 month baby a can of iron bru , welcome to scotland I thought .
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Long Black Veil,

New York 19/02/2008 04:28:44

Right about the happy medium. There are several factors interfering with this, though. First of all, when I was a child, I ate sweets whenever I could and was always thin as a rail. Why? Combination of good genes and being hyperactive, since I didn't come from a particularly athletic family. Back in those days schools were authorized to allow children to have this thing called "recess," where they ran off their pent-up energy, which is crucial for elementary school kids. When I started with ballet at 9 years, that was a good choice. If every female child was required to choose between swimming, a dance program or sports, there would be far less obesity, since it affects women more than men. As far as television is concerned, my mother who was against our watching most of the shows on TV, limited our TV watching to two hours per evening. She was a stay-at-home mother so she was able to pull it off. A working woman could not prevent kids from watching television or spending way too much time on their computers fooling around on bebo. She did figure out that if she was going to get us to eat vegetables, then it was best to slip them to us when we were engrossed in watching the "Three Stooges." That worked like a charm. To this day, when I watch the nightly news or any other evening show, I get a craving for raw peas and carrots. My mother was more defiant than self-righteous about these ideas she had and never made the connection between childhood popularity and keeping up with the popular tv programs. She never influenced other parents to do as she had done, as most like to give their kids a little short-term happiness and don't want to be perceived as disciplinarians.

I think the biggest problem most parents in Scotland face is availability of fresh fruits and vegetables. Last summer I noticed that even the corner greengrocers do not stock the basic ingredients for a fresh salad. You have to go to Sainsbury and pay a fortune and even then you're more like to fi
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The Trossachs Hasher,

19/02/2008 06:41:10
I certainly agree with #9. We seem to get the same surveys again and again, from different bodies to what purpose?

If people don't know by now what to feed their children, then they will never know. We have had surveys till they are coming out of our ears and it will not make one whit of difference at this stage. I think the name of the company or body who commission ANY survey should be published - along with the cost - so we can ascertain the agenda behind it.

#20 - I think you must be been in the same part of Scotland as as #5, with whom I would heartily agree that shops in certain areas just don't stock fruit and veg because no one buys it. No amount of surveys or government initiatives are going to change that now.

Surveys are now just newsprint fillers and nothing else. Think it is about time the papers found us some real news.

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Gdgy,

dundee 19/02/2008 07:31:48
#5 don't believe everything you read - some supermarkets in the more deprived areas of Glasgow, Edinburgh, dundee, perth and Aberdeen don't stock all the full range of FAV cos it does not sell but you can get some. The problem comes with the little local shops which do ont have anything but tatties, onions and horrid apples...
25

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 19/02/2008 08:07:21
Wouldn't the money be better spent on stopping food companies from putting toxic chemicals in our food?
26

Liberal for life,

Dunblane 19/02/2008 08:17:17
As I recall at the May election hustings Nicol Stephen was attempting to get the debate off the incessant constitutional dead end question and onto issues such as the health of young Scots including how we tackle child obesity, proposing for example a minimum of one hours excercise each day for school children. As usual he drew snide remarks from political opponents for wanting to consider such "mundane matters" such as the health of our future generations.

This is an example of a genuine issue confronting us all especially Scottish politicians and one that the likes of Mr Salmond should focus his energies on instead of poncing about glad handing it with his Irish and Welsh counterparts to form some new UNION, for example.

I await the response to this with great interest to determine where the genuine concern for our future generation comes from?
27

Jock 107,

19/02/2008 08:19:43
Make porridge compulsory - it's our heritage!
28

Gothic Rose,

19/02/2008 08:32:07
29 Jock.What a way to start the day!:(((
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 19/02/2008 08:34:36
There is a group of people who opine that fruit juices (the 100% juice kind in those tetra packs) should be given as a treat and fresh fruit with all that fibre should be available at all times for young children.

It is much easier to throw a juice box at the kids but isn't it just as easy to throw in a juicy orange or apple or banana?

Some mothers and fathers should not be so lazy and think of the health and well-being of their off-spring when they take them to Macdonald's or Pizza Hut or order in fish and chips.

Remember, these children are the future of Scotland and the rest of the UK and to feed them junk is to atrophy their minds and bodies and perhaps stunt the growth of both their minds and bodies.

Going out to Macdonald's or Pizza Hut should be considered a very special treat indulged in a few times a year and not a thrice-weekly binge of heavily salted and sugared "food" indulged in by overweight and lazy parents who will only make their children fat and subject to diabetes, slow-learning problems, high blood pressure, etc. and some of these ails are starting in children as young as NINE YEARS OF AGE!

iT IS TRULY SHOCKING AND SCOTLAND AND THE UK AND THE REST OF THE WORLD SHOULD REALISE THAT MACDONALDS,PIZZA HUT,AND BURGER KING ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS, NUTRITION-WISE!
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thinking,

Scotland 19/02/2008 08:54:10
What has poverty (or what passes for poverty these days) got to do with obesity?
I (and many from my post war generation) come from a poor family. My father worked and my mother stayed at home.
We didn't have much money but meals were home made (and we were taught to cook) There weren't the additives we have now, ot the sugar that has been added in increasing amounts to processed food over the last 30 years (actually there wasn't too much in the way of processed food.)
Sweets were a treat, not a daily occurence.
We didn't feel deprived. We were loved,had enough to eat and were able to run around outside.
Oh yes, and we didn't have all the state handouts that are given out now!!!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 09:13:36
Tim @#31...its not all that bad, many parents cant afford MacDonald's for their kids,,'far less Pizza Hut' over here at £10.00 a through!
Yes £10.00 'a through' ridiculous innit,?
We basically get,, 'ripped-off' over here for fast foods and never complain!
Anyway nothing wrong with a 'Happy Meal' on occasion!
Infact I might have one! and see what exciting Toy I get!
:-DD
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 09:15:27
D'oh,,it was, 'Noddy and his Friends'! :-((
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E300,

tomich 19/02/2008 09:16:11
Must we be continually bombarded by irrelevant statistics from "experts" paid to tell us how to live our lives.
What has "The survey found 66 per cent of children whose mothers had no qualifications ate sweets and chocolate once a day or more – but only 37 per cent of youngsters whose mothers had Higher grades or above had such foods daily." got to do with anything?
92% of the unqualified mothers and 78% of the 37% with highers voted Labour, should "experts" be telling them how to vote.
34

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 09:39:29
what?

You mean like they did in the 50s, 60's, 70s, 80s and 90s?

The only possible cause of child obesity is that kids are not allowed out to play any more.
35

The Tin Man,

In the Chippy 19/02/2008 10:09:39
Deep-fried pizza for me. mmmm cheap frozen pizza battered and deep-fried... yummy with chips
36

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 19/02/2008 10:13:50
Charles Linskaill

What you say has much validity, of course and as usual.

Over here you can get 99cent hamburgers (small ones, not gargantuan double burgers) and superior blend coffee for about two dollars that rivals the best that Tim Horton's (a national institution) or Starbucks.

It is unfortunate that these corporate giants are making obscene profits from their "food" at the expense of lower-income people who should be allowed and have the right to take themselves and their children and friends out for a REASONABLY-PRICED TREAT!

Actually, it is quite scandalous what your government lets these greedy fast-food chains get away with. Can't anything be done?
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 19/02/2008 10:32:27
If I go into a pub in Glasgow and order a lasagne, why does it come with chips? Macaroni & cheese... with chips! Surely a most unusual culinary choice. But they don't even know how to cook chips properly - they should be blanched.
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MoragtheToerag,

Argyll 19/02/2008 10:54:54
What was that urban myth a while back? That growing obesity was the government's solution to the pension crisis - keep 'em fat and they die before reaching pensionable age?

Obesity has caught up to and in some areas surpasses smoking as a leading cause of preventable death.

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Hermitage,

Edinburgh 19/02/2008 10:56:54
No bread?

Let them eat cake.

It is called 'freedom of choice' and 'natural selection'
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Mcsnagpile,

19/02/2008 11:01:08
When people believe you need Senna pods to work out a long division sum as it is more painful with a pencil---what to do.??
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yockel,

19/02/2008 12:40:40
#42 That's why they want you to stop drinking, so you die younger. Mmm, time for lunch I think.
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Liz Edmond,

Dunbar 19/02/2008 12:50:45
#24 For your information the study was commissioned by the former Labour Scottish Executive
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Act sensibly,

Scotland 19/02/2008 13:14:43
Guys it's 'sanctimonious' you mean. Scotland's eating habits are awful. We're second worst in the world after the USA. However much you stick your heads in the sand and go lalalala laaa, I can feed my child rubbish, it's ok to give them treats it won't asuage your guilt at setting them up for unhealthy. If 'the norm' is to be fat healthy weight children are being made to feel abnormal. The school ground jibes are directed towards slim children 'size zero' e.t.c. It's happening already. There's no excuse for not eating properly, just laziness in not wanting to cook decent food and a blinding lack of education.
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Jeep,

19/02/2008 13:33:01
I find some of the worst culprits are the well educated working mothers who don't have time to cook a meal for their children and let them have whatever they want because they feel guilty about leaving them with carers all the time. Also, I find that these are the people more likely to say that their kids don't get sugary snacks when in fact they do.
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Soapy Soutar,

East Lothian 19/02/2008 13:41:30
Somebody told me that Tesco et al position fruit and veg as the first thing you see on entering a supermarket for two reasons. One, so that you associate their store with fresh produce but more importantly because it has the highest mark up percentage. In France Veg/Fruit are usually at the back of the store because price competition from countless local markets means it is less profitable.
So perhaps if Government spent the money it wasted on this meaningless research on supporting competition in our retail environment many poorer Scots would find healthy eating a viable alternative.
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Walter McDermott III,

19/02/2008 13:43:11
I have 2 kids, 4 and 6. The youngest one only ever gets the diet variety of soda, with the older one allowed regular coke. If however the 6 year old wants the Big Gulp (quarter gallon) size, then it has to be the diet variety again. This way, i am teaching them from a young age, that moderation is best, and if they want a treat, it has to be just that.

A good tip - if you have kids who don't like to eat salads, I find that smothering it with 'Extra Creamy Ranch Sauce' ($1.99 at the Wal-Mart Dome) helps them to enjoy it better, and gets them used to eating vegetables too.
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Tris,

19/02/2008 13:49:06


Hate to say it... but there's a middle way, some tastey bad stuff, and some good stuff. It takes a little work , and a little persuading to get kids to do it, but it can be done.

It bothers me to see kids going to school in the morning with a packet of crisps and can of Irn Bru for their breakfast. It doesn't matter if that's because their parents couldn't be bothered to get up and fix some breakfast, or if it's because the parents were up at 5 to catch the shuttle for a business meeting in the City. It's not a good start for the kids, who will probably have health problems in the future as a result.

As for the good old days.... rose coloured glasses there methinks. Most of my relatives when I was a kid were fat or grossly fat, from a diet of cookies, white bread and other filling stodge. Not laziness, just decent hardworking Scottish working class poverty!

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Walter McDermott III,

19/02/2008 13:57:00
53 - absolutely not. Moderation is best (like 54 says). If I take my kids to the cinema, then I will NOT allow them the hot-melted-butter-sauce on their popcorn every time, as it simply isn't good for them. I have introduced a rule, where every second trip, they have to take the normal, sugared popcorn, with no butter-sauce.

Additionally, if they want to supersize at mcDonalds, then I will not allow them a dessert, and instruct them to take a (much healthier) milkshake instead.
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Anthony,

Glasgow 19/02/2008 13:57:14
Policy makers are being badly advised and are running up another dead end. It's nothing to do with 'perceptions' or even education to a great degree. It's the poverty stupid! The amount of money people at the economically most disadvantaged end of our society are given to live on, is disgraceful. True, an apple doesn't cost more than a packet of custard creams. But what's the calorific value of an apple? How filling is an apple compared to the packet of the biscuits? When you have hungry mounths to feed, and not much money, the first objective is to fill them up. That means maximum calories for minimum money - and that in turn means high calorie cheap sugery fatty foods. No one can understand this issue, until they first understand the social impact of poverty.
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Walter McDermott III,

Aberdeen, Wisconsin 19/02/2008 15:14:45
57 - I am sure you are a sweet little lady, but you sure know nothing about nutrition!
51

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 19/02/2008 15:15:52
"Over the next three years, £56.5 million has been promised for initiatives dedicated to tackling obesity, healthy eating and physical activity including "family-focused intervention"."

More good money flung after bad. If the problem is that mum couldn't manage a couple of Highers, you're in for chips and cheese whether you like it or not, or so the argument goes.

Funny how studies like this appear in conjunction with some Central Commissariat 5-year plan (e.g. the scarey sounding family-focussed intervention projects) which costs the rest of us tons and will offer job opportunities which really don't need to be there. "Eat up your greens or dad loses his benefits"? Time for folk to take some responsibility for their own lives and their children's eating habits.

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MoragtheToerag,

Argyll 19/02/2008 15:25:33
That diet soda is even worse - full of E numbers and artificial sweetners.

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yockel,

19/02/2008 16:01:03
Maybe Gordo could nationalise the Junk Food Industry and the govenment could sell means tested nutritious snacks to the needy. OK the IT contracts would be a bit of a problem if allegations of sleaze were to be avoided and then there would be the risk of the personal consumption records going missing but ....
54

Tris,

dundee 19/02/2008 16:13:23


Aldi and Lidl are selling fruit and veg at knock down prices with special offers on one of two items every week.

It does make it easier, but not if you don't know how to cook it, or haven't the time I suppose.
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J G W,

19/02/2008 16:22:39
tsk, harumph, in my day etc etc
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Martha,

19/02/2008 16:25:00
The USA, being enormous, is really several different countries inside of one border. The middle and upper classes are very healthy; the lower classes (speaking economically, which is the only dividing line here) are less healthy, and sometimes far less healthy. The reason: cigarettes are used almost invariably now by the lowest economic orders. Heavy drinking, ditto. Drug use, ditto. As for fast food from the land that invented it, it's well known here that the poor live out of McDonald's and the wealthier classes eat healthy, balanced diets from birth onwards. Most people of my acquaintance wouldn't be caught dead at a fast food shop, and they don't let their children eat from these either. The only exception is a long road trip, when after driving 400 miles you can really use a burger, fries and a coca-cola before tackling the next 400 miles. The issue of childhood exercise has far more to do with obesity than fast food-- the fast food addiction, however, is certainly suspected by physicians of contributing greatly to pediatric disorders, including psychiatric disorders. So the warning bell has been sounded. Even the poor can read, but one of the reasons they're poor is that they are likewise lazy, thoughtless, careless and neglectful. So the kids clamor for fries and soft drinks, and the parents let them eat that garbage. How can you prevent that?
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Martha,

19/02/2008 16:27:55
As for "the time to cook properly"-- I was a working mom but my family ate well. Working is no excuse; you can prepare meals in advance and freeze them so that during the week there is plenty to eat, and all of it healthy. I don't know when this craze for fried foods began, but it's atrocious to fry lasagna and mac-and-cheese. There are even mac-and-cheese pizzas available here now. That's way too much fat, salt and starch for the people who eat this junk, and most of those are young children.
58

inoui,

Bangkok 19/02/2008 17:45:40
Used to be gin in London, (pobably still is)!
59

Sambo,

The deep south 19/02/2008 18:52:53
I take it deep fried Mars bars are out of the question then?
60

The Tin Man,

In the chippy 19/02/2008 20:12:49
I still don't understand why Scotland, the Great Nation of Chips, makes such god-awful chips. A big wet ball made of grease and potatoe? yum yum yum
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The 'Menace',

Edinburgh, 19/02/2008 20:32:58
Scotts'Porage'oats'is'the stuff that makes yer' wumman
want to know how you can'GO'as many times,n,still go to work wi' a smile on yer face!..wi' salt!.no' sugar!
62

Eve,

Scotland 19/02/2008 22:17:07
#52 Walter McDermott III: Why do you any so many others think that diet sodas are healthy? Or give that imperson to their weanes. I've witnessed this the shops before, a mother telling her son she couldn't have the coke that was in front of him cause it wasn't diet!!!!

I was left puzzled by this. Diet fizzy drinks are NOT a healthy drink, the health version would be fruit juice (NB NOT fruit juice drink. AND if the child doesn't have teeth yet then water the fruit juice down), cause at least the wee one would be getting some nutritional benefit. Fizzy drinks whoever diet or regular have no nutritional value.

You should be encouraging your children to drink water.

Creamy Sauce for salad, what ever happened to wee bit of oil (with the likes of Olive oil, Ground nut oil), vinaigrette (with the likes of Balsamic vinegar, white wine vinegar) and herbs (dehydrated or fresh it adds flavour to the salad), keeps the salad moist and stops the lettuce from going brown.

Or if you like the idea of creamy sauces why NOT make a yogurt dressing using natural yogurt!!!!


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Eve,

Scotland 19/02/2008 22:36:04
It's an interesting study and to those who seem to think the survey was a waist of time. Think of this; 1) There has been several campaigns about eating healthily: -How do we know if the message has registered or more importantly made parents in deprived areas with limited qualifications change their attitude to feeding themselves and children healthy balanced diet!!! If no such study is carried out. Answer is you don't!!!

2) How else would you know exactly how bad a typical child's diet is if no one cared to do any research in the subject.

3) It is important that as a nation, we know the areas that we need improving, inperticular to have a healthy future generations. It also gives us a chance to look in to things and try and work out some ways of getting parents to feed there children a balanced healthy diet. You can't treat the problem if you don't know it's full extent.


I also agree that children will eat fruit if it's put in front of them instead of crisps, chocolate and biscuits. Providing the fruit is prepared/ presented in a manner which is attractive to the child's age group.
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silverfisher,

edinburgh 19/02/2008 23:09:03
So Jo,
All the Friday mums feed thier children rubbish. Didn't you end up in pizza hut after the panto... really healthy eating that is
65

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 01:27:25
Its all about being sensible, for your child's health and welfare!
'Nothing..more..Nothing..Less'
If you take it to extremes...'Your Nuts'!
If you couldn't care less......'Your Nuts'!
I have spoken..listen and learn!
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Trade-wind,

USA 20/02/2008 05:18:32
Do the schools teach "home economics" and sewing as well as other homemaker skills as they once did? If not then there is a big reason the mothers don't know how to cook even when they have food available. It is so much easier to just hand the kid some snack food.
We have wreaked everything by making boys out of girls.
We don't teach them woman skills in school anymore.
A young girl should be a scientist or a lawyer but God forbid we teach them how to be a good wife and mother.
Wring your hands and wonder what is wrong but don't except the truth that over the last 45 odd years we have let down our kids. Trying to be politically correct
and oh yes don't be sexist. The liberal way it is today, we have many problem, and a great deal of them have come from the liberalization of society. It came in part from the "ME" generation. Do what feels good and screw responcibility. You know its true but liberals don't want to talk about the causes. Nor do they want to accept the blame that must be laid at their feet for todays utter failure of our kids to be equal to the task of parenting. If you think it is bad now wait another twenty years when those two year olds
are adults. Glad I'll be dead and gone. It makes me sick watching the degeneration of our society.
Scotland forever!!!!!!!!!!
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Trade-wind,

USA 20/02/2008 05:37:33
I might add one more thing. Everyone who posted so far has an out look about this issue. But the one I find the strangest is the assumption that people who stuff this fast food junk down the kids gullets are poor.
Have any of you ever really looked at the cost to feed three or four kids plus two or even one adult at a fast food joint. I could buy enough groceries to last a week for the cost of three meals each for a family of 6. Fast food is big business in the States, and they are always busy it seems, so somebody is eating there regularly with plenty of kids.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 07:21:39
Trade-wind @#79,
my point also quote from #33,

Tim @#31...its not all that bad, many parents cant afford MacDonald's for their kids,,'far less Pizza Hut' over here at £10.00 a throw!
Yes £10.00 'a throw' ridiculous innit,?
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Workingmum,

Edinburgh 20/02/2008 16:11:28
I'm a bit disappointed by the (I think) slight over-reaction and 'sanctimonious' accusations at the couple quoted / general criticism of people trying to do the best for their children and showing that it is possible to take positive steps. As has been said, most shop bought weaning food is so awful you either avoid them in favour of healthy home made alternatives from 6months (or younger) or you accept that your baby, having sugar etc at such a young age, may resist more 'natural' foods. Whichever, you start down a road early on and will tend to follow that path. It's a hard job being a parent and I'm for applauding anyone who makes an effort to do the 'right' thing by their child, whatever that is for them. And not sure giving in to peer pressure for the sake of your child's popularity applies at ages 2 and 4? Inevitably compromises may have to be made so your child doesn't stand out / can function in 'normal' society, but surely it is good to avoid this as long as possible? Plus actually why can't we reshape the norms to achieve a better, healthier society if we want to rather than feeling obliged to conform to norms often encouraged by a profit driven fast food industry?
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Poppy Humphrey,

Manchester 21/02/2008 09:43:15
I am disgusted by comments suggesting that Jo and Ross are self righteous, why criticise people for raising there children to be healthy, enjoy food and getting out in the fresh air once in awhile?

Maisie and Isla are my nieces and I can assure you that they're completely ‘normal’, just happy, friendly kids that haven't been encouraged to eat 'bad' food or watch TV as a substitute for parental attention.

Chocolate a couple of times a week is hardly depriving a child of what society thinks is 'the norm'! I would say the girls have a completely balanced diet.

I think what the article misses is that Maise and Isla are also educated about food, Jo and Ross spend time cooking with them and encouraging them to try new things as well as taking them to child friendly restaurants, and despite what the article would suggest they don’t live on a diet of snobby food such as organic guinea fowl and lobster, they eat what everyone else eats- pasta and stew!

in a time where many parents seem to throw curley wurleys at their children to keep them quiet for a few minutes, why not accept that Jo and Ross are doing the best for their kids rather than judging them -they should be encouraged and used as an positive example

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Ruby Roo ,

Cambridge 21/02/2008 12:01:50
As grandmother to Maisie and Isla, I must say that, in my opinion, Jo and Ross are raising their girls in an inclusive and well balanced way. Healthy food is on offer at meal times and for snacks with a few treats now and then. This encourages the girls to have broad view of life where food does not become an issue. Problems can arise later in life where 'good' and 'bad' foods become the focus of diet. I am proud to see my granddaughters as happy, healthy, well adjusted children.
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Jiffjaff,

Glasgow 21/02/2008 19:49:39
That Charles Linskaill ranting on about the 'sanctimonious' and 'self righteous'. Where does he get off? Has he heard himself? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm thinking (hot) pot and kettle (chips).
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WitchyAnne,

Maidstone, England 28/02/2008 07:11:11
@ #31: "Going out to Macdonald's or Pizza Hut should be considered a very special treat"

See and this is the mentality *I* don't get.

"It's bad, horrid, awful so let's only give them bad horrid awful stuff as a treat." WTF?!

I feed my kids normal home made dinners and they eat lots of fresh fruit & veg.

However, once a week or so, it's freezer fish fingers & potato waffles and veg because *I* am tired OR want to make something picy for dinner, etc.

It's not for a treat for them, it's because I have cooked for 6 days in a row and need a break from the cooking and the mess and want some more "adult" food nthat has some kick to it.

 

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