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Published Date:
30 November 2006
Sad news for Brown family as son is revealed to have inherited genetic condition Browns have known since the child's birth that he had cystic fibrosis However, Fraser Brown has yet to show any symptoms - a positive sign for the future
Key quote "The NHS is doing a great job, and Gordon and Sarah are very optimistic that the advances being made in medicine will help [Fraser] and many others, and they hope to be able to play their part in doing what they can to help others." - Treasury statement
Story in full GORDON Brown revealed last night that his four-month-old son has cystic fibrosis.

It is understood James Fraser Brown, the Chancellor's second son, was confirmed as having the incurable lung condition only during the last fortnight.

However, Mr Brown and his wife, Sarah, have known that the child could have the inherited genetic disease since his birth in July. The couple chose to make the news public after the diagnosis started to leak to the media.

The Browns lost their first child, Jennifer, to a brain haemorrhage shortly after her birth in 2002.

The boy, known as Fraser, is said to be "fit and healthy", but last night a friend of the family described the news of his diagnosis as "shattering".

Cystic fibrosis is Britain's most common life-threatening inherited disease, affecting more than 7,500 people. There are about 550 sufferers in Scotland.

An inherited defect affects the body's production of mucus, which can have implications both for the lungs and the digestive system.

Sufferers' life expectancy is typically some 31 years, although medical developments in recent years have brought about considerable advances: 40 years ago, the life expectancy for a baby diagnosed with the condition was only five years.

Fraser is not yet suffering any of the symptoms of his condition, something experts said was a positive sign for his prospects.

The Chancellor's office issued a statement saying: "While Gordon and Sarah's younger son, Fraser, has been diagnosed with cystic fibrosis, he is fit, healthy and making all the progress that you would expect any little boy to make. They were told in late July that Fraser may have cystic fibrosis. Tests since then have confirmed this."

The statement went on: "Thousands of other parents are in the same position. They are confident that the advice and treatments available, including proper exercise and, later, sporting activity, will keep him fit and healthy.

"The NHS is doing a great job, and Gordon and Sarah are very optimistic that the advances being made in medicine will help [Fraser] and many others, and they hope to be able to play their part in doing what they can to help others," the statement added.

Fraser was born in Edinburgh, weighing 7lb 14oz. Routine post-natal testing at Edinburgh Royal Infirmary showed he could be suffering from the disease.

All children born in Scotland are tested for the condition, though the tests will become routine in England only from next year.

Since July, Mrs Brown and her sons have spent most of their time at the family home in North Queensferry, while Mr Brown spent his weeks in London at the Treasury.

While Fraser has suffered sporadic chest trouble since birth, the Browns had given no clue about the fears for his health, and last night's disclosure startled even close friends.

Ed Balls, the economic secretary to the Treasury, last night described the Browns as a "strong and happy family".

"Fraser's a lovely, bouncy, healthy little boy. He's doing really well. This is the kind of thing that no parent obviously wants to hear, and it was the same for Gordon and Sarah in the summer. But they're very optimistic and doing really well and medical advances obviously happen all the time."

Yvette Cooper, a junior minister and a friend of the Browns, said Fraser was being treated as normally as possible and his parents "are doing everything they can for him".

She insisted that the Browns were coping well, despite the shock of the diagnosis: "Politicians are just the same as everyone else. Parents are just the same as everyone else. I think every parent thinks about things happening to their children, or are worried about their children in exactly the same way."

David Cameron, the Tory leader, who has a handicapped son, said: "Sam and I are thinking of Gordon and Sarah and their family at this time, and we send them our best wishes."

Parents of children with cystic fibrosis are told to make sure they stay active, as regular exercise can help to delay and reduce the condition's effects on the lungs when symptoms start to manifest themselves.

Rosie Barnes, the chief executive of the Cystic Fibrosis Trust, said the early diagnosis of Fraser's condition meant there was "every cause for optimism" about the life he would lead.

"It is always a shock for a family when a child is diagnosed with cystic fibrosis, and I am sure the Browns were no exception. Being diagnosed this early is really important because treatment can be started immediately.

"Medical developments that can extend the life and improve the quality of life are continuing apace," Ms Barnes added.

"There is great cause for optimism for children born today with the condition. We really do believe that we are closer than ever to finding an effective treatment for CF, using gene therapy. This is a matter of time and effective funding."

Courage of Sarah who turned tragedy into lifesaving action


ANY mother who learns her child is suffering from a serious illness suffers unimaginable torment, but Sarah Brown is sadly better prepared for her family's latest tragedy than some others might be.

In January 2002, joy at the birth of Jennifer Jane Brown, the couple's first child, quickly turned to agony as the little girl suffered a brain haemorrhage and died after only ten days of life.

Mrs Brown, 42, reacted by throwing herself into charity work.

Along with her husband, she established the Jennifer Brown Research Fund, to support research into the causes of premature birth.

The campaign was so successful that within four months it was able to announce the creation of the Jennifer Brown Research Laboratory.

This new research facility is based at the new Edinburgh Royal Infirmary - the hospital where Jennifer's brother Fraser was diagnosed with cystic fibrosis.

Before her marriage to the Chancellor in August 2000, Mrs Brown was a successful PR executive.

She first met Mr Brown in 2004 when the company she jointly founded, Hobsbawn Macaulay Communications, was helping organise media events for the Labour Party.

She demonstrated her continued energy and attention to detail even in the months after Jennifer's death, replying personally to the hundreds of letters and cards of condolence that she and Mr Brown received from the public.

While Mrs Brown has long since given up her professional work, she remains intent on maintaining some independence and a life distinct from her role as wife of the man assumed to be Britain's next prime minister.

At the Labour Party conference in Manchester in September, she slipped out of the "ring of steel" security zone surrounding the conference centre and walked through the city centre to meet some old friends, unaccompanied by the police officers who routinely shadow senior politicians and their spouses.

Since Fraser's birth in July, Mrs Brown has been only rarely seen at Westminster, and her demeanour and appearance sparked rumours that she was suffering from post-natal depression.

But the true cause of her obvious unhappiness, her fears for her third child, was a secret known only to the Browns' closest friends.

IMPROVING PROSPECTS


CYSTIC fibrosis was once seen as a death sentence, but advances in treatment mean life expectancy is rapidly increasing.

In the next few years doctors hope that a treatment known as gene therapy could provide new hope to sufferers of the inherited condition.

But even in recent years, improvements in physiotherapy and dietary advice mean that patients are living longer. Whereas in the 1960s, life expectancy stood at about five years, the average is now 31.

Dr Graeme Eunson, a specialist registrar in paediatrics at the Royal Hospital for Sick Children in Edinburgh, said advances in the treatment of cystic fibrosis now mean survival is increasing year by year.

And he said future advances in the next few decades could also mean longer life expectancy for those diagnosed today.

"A lot of research is going on, including in Edinburgh, which means we are hopeful of improvements being made in the future.

"One area being looked at is gene therapy, where you essentially repair the faulty gene and address the underlying defect."

FAULTY GENE AT ROOT OF AS-YET INCURABLE CONDITION


CYSTIC fibrosis is Britain's most common life-threatening inherited disease. It affects more than 7,500 people, including 550 in Scotland.

Until the 1960s, most youngsters with cystic fibrosis died before the age of five.

But increased understanding of the condition - for which there is no cure - has brought about improved prognoses, and sufferers in the UK now have an average life expectancy of about 31 years.

Each week five babies in the UK are born with cystic fibrosis and each week three young lives are lost to the disease.

It is caused by a defective gene that clogs the internal organs, especially the lungs and digestive system, with thick, sticky mucus, causing chronic infections, inflammation of the lungs and difficulties with the digestive system.

In the UK, 2.3 million people - one in 25 - carry the faulty gene. If both parents are carriers, there is a one in four chance that any child they bear will have cystic fibrosis. Of those with the disease, 50 per cent are under 15 and 70 per cent under 20.

Sufferers can go on to achieve much in their lives, including university degrees and successful careers. But they face a lifetime of medication and are often isolated from others to avoid the risk of cross-infection.

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1

Faye,

Scotland 30/11/2006 00:55:09

Sorry to hear about the little one Mr & Mrs Brown.

The NHS is a great concept but it is sadly abused by some. We must ensure it is saved for all and let's never ever find ourselves in a situation again when people have to beg and borrow just to call out a doctor. The NHS is very important to everyone. Ask anyone what it was like before the NHS. It was terrible - a two tier system.

Too many people whinge about the NHS. It isn't perfect but as one friend said to me.....no-one could ever have sold or convinced him that he would need to pay for private cover for three brain operations. But three brain operations was what he had and the NHS saved him.

Hope the wee lad with good NHS care goes onto achieve much in life Mr & Mrs Brown.

2

Continental,

30/11/2006 05:43:54

This is such sad news. CF is an awful thing for kids and young adults to endure. I had to learn how to administer physio on a wee girl I babysat for and it upset me every time I did it because of the torture her poor wee body had to go through. She survived until she was 22 but her quality of life was never good. I hope that Fraser Brown has better life and that inroads are made to cure this disease.

3

Dave,

Western Isles 30/11/2006 07:32:01

Differences aside. We wish you continuing support for your wee one Gordon.

4

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30/11/2006 07:39:52
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5

Comerscroft,

30/11/2006 08:17:23

Message 4

Rather a miserable comment.

Yes, there are many other kids with CF but this article has pointed out that in Scotland, babies are routinely checked at birth for the illness. This enables treatment to start early--vital in CF. Routine screening is not offered in England, so treatment may not start early, and lung damage go undetected.

Rather than carping about press coverage, we should be grateful for the medical advances which have improved the lives of all CF sufferers, as well as feeling a bit of sympathy for the Browns. Their lives will never be the same again

6

Alastair the First,

30/11/2006 08:34:57

Very sad to hear something like this, and I'm sure they have all our sympathy. My own children are all healthy and I am very grateful for that - nothing worse than when they become ill.

I think we all have our suspicions about why this story is headline news. Frankly I would have thought that the medical condition of an individual is a private matter and I am cynical about why this news has been released. Let's just leave it at that and wish the child as good a quality of life as can be achieved, for as long as possible.

7

Phil C,

30/11/2006 08:48:00

#6- Totally agree.

8

Elle,

Edinburgh 30/11/2006 08:50:13

All political differences aside, my thoughts are with the Browns as a recent parent myself. Any news like this must come as a shock and I wish for as long and contented a life as possible for little Fraser.

9

Alice Z,

Edinburgh 30/11/2006 09:20:58

There are some right miserable gits out there - keep your suscipicions to yourself - the poor man chose to announce it before the media did and I can;t blame him.

I'd just like to pick up on one thing.....
WELL DONE NHS SCOTLAND - we spend so much time berating it as a way of attaching politicians we forget how great it is and how spoiled we are in comparison to so many others. And from this article that includes England, where this type of screening is not routinely available.

Here's a naive and novel suggestion - why doesn't the scotsman do an article on all the things our NHS does well - oh aye, I forgot, journalists prefer to scare the crap out of us instead.

10

Bill, Dunblane,

30/11/2006 09:22:17

Regardless of our political beliefs and opinion of the Chancellor, on a personal level, I think ALL of us would wish him and his family well in this instance.

11

IA,

30/11/2006 09:45:00

This i

12

Yada,

30/11/2006 09:45:46

Can't stand the man but he and his wife are having a rough time of it with their kids. I wish them both luck and hope their love is strong because it could be sorely tested in the future.

13

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30/11/2006 09:47:34
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Steve McGregor,

Glasgow 30/11/2006 09:49:44

We are deeply sorry about this sad news. May Lord bless you Gordon and your family to be able to deal with with this brutal reality of cystic fibrosis.
May Lord also enlighten you Gordon and your family to also realize that now "its time".

15

rab, glasgow,

30/11/2006 09:58:27

9. Alice Z, Edinburgh/ I would say the browns have been very unfortunate with their son being diagnosed with this terrible illness, but to call gordon brown poor is a wee bit hypocritical.

16

JG,

Fife 30/11/2006 10:00:00

#12 Chairman
Go away!

17

Alan Carnegie,

Edinburgh 30/11/2006 10:09:30

#12 Chairman - I find your comments offensive. Keep your small minded, cold-hearted, politically motivated comments to yourself.
Anyone else thinking of posting comments like this should be aware of the potential for great hurt this could cause to the Brown family, as well as to the Camerons. You are low-life scum.

18

,

30/11/2006 10:24:24
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19

Lupton,

Help with CF 30/11/2006 10:24:27

The Butterfly Tust raise funds for Scotish children with CF. They also do a mobile phone recycling appeal. www.butterflytust.org.uk
0800 023 4598

20

Repton,

edinburgh 30/11/2006 10:26:26

Nae much luck the Broons.

21

GP,

30/11/2006 10:29:24

16# well said.
I am cynical at the best of times but do not believe for a nano-second that this was divulged by the Browns.
My heart goes out to them.
Gordon will now have full insight into the state of the NHS which should be no bad thing.

22

Sanny,

In Portugal for the winter 30/11/2006 10:40:37

CHAIRMAN:
I detest GB’s ideology and policies even more than you do but his son is an innocent child and this illness will devastate his parents.
I don’t know if you have any children of your own, but just consider how you would feel if this was your child.
If you still have a spark of human decency in you I ask you to reconsider you position on this article and withdraw your comments. Hate the man, if that is your wish but spare a kind thought for this child and the many others that suffer this disease.
It is to be hoped that the high profile of this case may give more funds and greater impetus to the search for a cure.

23

Chairman,

30/11/2006 10:45:10

Sanny #21
Thank you for that sincere and rather touching message.
You have really moved me and I think that should actually go away and re-evaluate my whole belief system. Thank you again for opening my eyes!
Can we have a group hug?

24

Alan Carnegie,

Edinburgh 30/11/2006 10:45:32

Chairmans comments in the debate over dog and cat fur gives us another insight into his personality. I presume his second name is 'Mao' ....

25

Alan Carnegie,

Edinburgh 30/11/2006 10:47:31

Oh, and Chairman (#17) , I've never voted Labour in my puff...

26

Alice Z,

Edinburgh 30/11/2006 11:04:37

Rab 14

First of all look up the meaning of hyprocritical - i am in no way being hyprocritical.

Secondly you must be a bit daft to misinterpret my use of the word poor.

27

AJ,

Fife 30/11/2006 11:04:57

As a parent myself, I really feel for Mr Brown and his family, and wish them all the best for the future.

28

Susie,

West Midlands 30/11/2006 11:28:41

No 17 (Chairman). Freedom of speech is slowly being curtailed but currently you have the freedom to say what you think and No 16 (Alan Carnegie)has the right to say what he thinks and to call you Low Life Scum.

We have the right to say how we agree with too. My vote is with Alan.

The problem is that the media is interested in this type of thing and I think that the way Mr & Mrs Gordon chose to make a statement before the information was leaked by the press was sensible.

I can't think of anything worse than my child's health or otherwise being branded about in the papers.

God bless Fraser and his family.

29

Listen Ear,

30/11/2006 11:29:48

When I grew up, There were hardly any children with birth defects..

Now, it's pretty common.

"Birth defects in children are an early indication of DNA damage.

Increases in rates of birth defects will be followed by increased cancer incidence, with most cancers being diagnosed after 15 years for adults and 5 years for children.

There are three major environmental causes for birth defects - all of which are also known to cause cancers:

1. Radioactivity

2. Organophosphate pesticides/herbicides [Ontario College of Family Physicians Press Release, 23 April 2003]

3. Industrial emissions of PM2.5s ["Reduction of Particulate Air Pollution Lowers the Risk of Heritable Mutations in Mice", Science, 15 May 2004]"

**** = = = = *****

The Recent growth of Birth Defects, IMHO, is due to the proliferation of Mobile Phone Masts..

Ask any sparrow (If you can find one)!

http://www.ukhr.org/birthdefects/index.htm


******************************

The Test Results done on Animals detailed in the Stewart Report, are exactly the same as we are now seeing in Humans...

... Birth Defects, Infertility, Learning Difficulties

*******************************

Gordon.. How much did you make from the 3G Licences?

The Technology still has not been proven to be safe..

It has been proven to change DNA in Humans!..
What does it do to Birds and insects that pollinate our crops?


Miners used Canaries to warn of impending disaster.. The Sparrows have Died!

30

Ellie,

Edinburgh 30/11/2006 11:59:51

29, Listen 'Ere - When you were young the disabled died at birth or were concealed at home. Now we're allowed out and helped to live useful and enjoyable lives - if sometimes a bit resentfully!

31

Duncan,

on tour 30/11/2006 12:21:54

My best wishes to Gordon, Sarah, and young James at this time. They will need all the strength they can muster to deal with this. As a father of three I was blessed with there good health, I can share the pain they must feel.
People who make snide remarks on this board need to have a look at them selves.

32

coffeeholic,

scotland 30/11/2006 12:22:12

what does it matter who we vote for or weather other children not just the browns has CF we should just wish them and the child all the support we can.

33

Robert,

Kirriemuir 30/11/2006 12:33:44

Being a son of the manse I wonder if he believes that his children's problems are God given for his misdeeds in life like not restoring the proper indexation-linkage to pensions when he took over the Chancellorship and hence the present move to do so? (Just a passing thought).

34

ECHELON_1,

30/11/2006 12:41:53

Reading through the posts quickly it appears at least one sad individual is trying to make either a lame political point or jibe against GB on this news. No matter what you think of him as a politician and personality he does not deserve any snide comments. I have an 18mth old baby girl and just can't imagine what it is like for them to have a sick baby. It upsets me when mine is in pain teething! Please don't resort to trying to score cheap points on this one, there are some strong points of view on these forums and I'm responsible for some, but politics and economics is one thing, serious illness in a new born is not a subject to make cheap jibes about.

35

Rod the Mod,

30/11/2006 12:45:42

"Before her marriage to the Chancellor in August 2000, Mrs Brown was a successful PR executive....

She first met Mr Brown in 2004..."
Surely this wasn't an arranged marriage?? Looks like The Scotsman will soon be rivalling the "Grauniad" for mistakes.

Seriously, good wishes to the whole family.

36

ECHELON_1,

30/11/2006 12:49:11

35. Rod. Favourite Jam song?

37

draoidhbubh,

30/11/2006 13:41:30

Continental@2

I had the same experience, as I young teenager I babysat for a wee lass of 7, she also has CF. As I was barely 13, I'd never even heard of the disease. Although sitting her was a work out for me and for her, I am ever grateful for the short time I knew her. She never stopped moving, she never stopped smiling, and took the whole situation with a grin and a shrug.

I credit her parents with that outlook as they shared it with her. They couldn't make it go away, but they sure could make the best of it. Which they did. She lived until she was 12...which was a LONG time 30 years ago. She was taking some 40 pills a day.

my fondest memory of her was her cheeky little grin when informing me that it was time for her morning beating (pounding on her back to loosen the mucus in her lungs) with the addage (who KNOWS how I'll turn out if you don't keep me in line. All these years later, the little imp still brings a grin to my own face.

I look forward to hearing of the same twinkle of playful mischeif in wee Frasers eyes.

38

Listen Ear,

30/11/2006 13:46:03

#30, Ellie,

I know of 5 children with birth defects within a square km from our home (Including one of my sons). If I personally know 5, you can be sure there are many, many more.

According to one of our GP's the number of children with learning disabilities has increased dramatically.

The last time I counted, we had 16 mobile phone masts with 1.6km of our home..


Very Sad for the Chancellor and the thousands of other families affected.

Perhaps now it is one of his own, he may be a little bit quicker to have proper research into the effects of masts....

There has Been NO Proper Research done by the UK Government that will PROVE that mobile phones and masts do or do not harm children.

They conduct research that.. "will not be able to say whether any excess risk near mobile phone base stations is causally linked to base station emissions"

"The study will determine whether or not childhood cancer cases occur more commonly near mobile phone base stations than would be expected from the national distribution of births, but of itself it will not be able to say whether any excess risk near mobile phone base stations is causally linked to base station emissions".

http://www.mthr.org.uk/research_projects/mthr_funded_proj...

39

Robert,

Kirriemuir 30/11/2006 13:50:21

Echelon (34), and what are you doing; preaching, or making a political statement?

40

Shona,

Canada 30/11/2006 14:07:22

My prayers for this family, and anyone out there whose child is ill or has been diagnosed with an incurable illness.
As a Canadian, I know nothing of the Chancellor's politics, alignment, practises or motivations. As a mother, I don't care.
I hope a cure is found soon.
To the Browns: Good energy is being sent your way from Canada.

41

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30/11/2006 14:14:43
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42

Stuarty purty,

30/11/2006 15:01:28

This unfortunately is reality. A reality that has been with us for a long time, of SFS. Where as, as everyone would be able to sympathise with the Browns, what is so special in reporting this case?

We need to know from all the experts on what is best for Scotland, who it is, day after day on this website give us can give such valuable guidance, what should be done in this case. There are more than one married couples in Scotland, and more than one that have regetttably experienced SFS.

Secondary appeal: Day after day, week after week, the standard of English is rubbish on this post. If we are contributing in English, French, Lalanlands , Doric, or Gaelic, let's have our grammer and syntatax correct.

43

Alice Z,

Edinburgh 30/11/2006 15:12:07

It makes me laugh to see people questioning why this is a news story. Why are any? With the majority it certainly isn't because they are particularly useful to our lives - but let's be realistic - the newspaper business is just that .... a business. Human Interest stories and Bad news are good business and we are too lazy to demand more. (even funnier is most of us believe it)

Who knows .... there might actually be some useful bits of information out there in the world that could help us live our lifes in a better way but no, let's just wallow in self pity, knock our public sector, and bury our head in a pity of celeb sand as usual, with a big helping hand from the media.

44

Dave,

Western Isles 30/11/2006 15:29:48

Stuarty Purty @42

Yes I agrea so their4 spel regretably proper puleaz (7th line 10th word) and aslo spel syntax proper 2 puleaz (second last word)

45

Butterscotchwhip,

Canada 30/11/2006 15:34:58

I respect everyone's right to privacy, especially wrt medical treatment, but if the papers were leaking details of the child's condition, I think the Browns did the right thing to go public and I wish them well.

Look what good Tony Blair's refusal to comment on his son's MMR status did, let's hope the Browns' openness has the opposite effect and that we all learn about CF and how we can support research and support those living with it.

46

Micjonger,

A Scot in Cambridgeshire 30/11/2006 15:39:32

I wish the Browns all my best wishes for the future and hope the little one bears up well.
As a footnote, I worked over 40 years in NHS Pathology - mainly in East Anglia - and can tell you that every newborn child was tested for Cystic Fibrosis at the same time as testing for Phenylalanine and Thyroxine.

47

ophelia,

30/11/2006 15:58:57

I find some of the comments here pretty vile.

I don't always agree with Gordon Brown's politics, and much of what he does irritates the hell out of me.

BUT remember one thing: he is a man of God and this is his child being discussed here. Those of you wanting to capitalise on that for political reasons should hang your heads in shame. Just imagine yourselves in his shoes right now. He's already lost one child. No family should have to suffer this much.

48

M Logan,

westlothian 30/11/2006 17:00:05

This is devastating news to receive, my grandson has CF and like many others we hadn't a clue what it was. However, you soon learn, We have a loving happy wee boy but credit goes to my daughter and her family, they dont look as CF as an illness but a way of life.
This illness needs more publicity and fundraising events.

49

wattie>x 1,

30/11/2006 17:10:06

I sincerely wish the very best future for this rather unfortunate child: AND hope the same treatment and care will be showered upon all the other small children, unfortunate enough to be found suffering in similar traumatic circumstances.
Will they?

50

silemairin,

planet mayhem 30/11/2006 17:51:15

I truly am sorry that a child and family [the Browns] are to have the such devastating concerns about the health of their child and I sincerly hope and am sure their treatment will be the best there is to offer.

However I also feel more for the young man who was on the radio today, he also is a CF sufferer who is now being funded to stay alive by his brother.as his benefits have been removed, as it is seen by the authorities as he has someone who will fund him [his brother] he is 29 yrs of age and they are only expected to live to about 31,.. this of course will not happen in Scotland but in England... so although it is sad the future is brighter than for those born in England.....

51

Angus Mor,

God's Own Island 30/11/2006 18:03:58

Best of luck to you and yours Mr and Mrs Broon. Don't entirely agree with your policies but that has nothing to do with your personal plight. Good luck

52

Great Scott.,

canada 30/11/2006 18:45:32

#42.
The sassenach speek is the 2nd language of a Scottish board.Freends we shud be allowed to speir,and speek oor heids aff withoot being hectored aboot oor english and syntax.Ach away hame ma mannie,its fur too cauld to hae a shouting match aboot oor scots tongue.Whaur's ma claes,am awa oot fur a pint.
Just a little good natured ribbing!lol

I wish the Brown baby every good wish.Who knows tomorrow we may have a cure.

53

Sambo,

The deep south 30/11/2006 19:08:55

This is very sad, my prayers go out to the Browns, it is possible that medical science may find a cure or an arrest for CF.
One good thing that will result from this is, Mr. Brown will influence the public awareness and help raise funding to combat this illness.

54

Robert,

Kirriemuir 01/12/2006 00:48:45

Echelon (41), another sermon or just emotional spew?

My comment was neither political nor denigrating; it was questioning the Chancellor's religious faith based on Christian tenets so possibly a bit too subtle for you to comprehend. In your puerile attempt at brinkmanship then consider this, I am the father of three daughters, one who was lost to BC as was her mother, my late wife, and I am the grandfather of three other children one who passed over through complications from cerebral palsy so, in relation to your experience, possibly I am in the best position to comment in the manner that I did.

It is not my intention to publicly berate you but rather than allowing your emotions to run awry at the comments of others you might try addressing the thread rather than policing submissions to which you object.

55

ECHELON_1,

01/12/2006 01:09:10

42 Stuart.

I totally agree. The standard of spelling and grammar on here is alarmingly poor. Typo's are one thing but some of it is rearlie bahd.
But...if you do make a statement appealing on the subject, best not make mistakes yourself...don't you think?
1. Where as… Whereas
2. Regetttably… Regrettably
3. Grammer Grammar
4. Syntatax Syntax

Oops.

56

ECHELON_1,

01/12/2006 01:30:32

54. Robert:

OK, let’s start again here. My first post on this thread and the comments made was based on the assumption, having seen some posts removed; that at least one individual had been making inappropriate or offensive remarks about GB and his baby. I also came to that conclusion from comments on other posts.
I myself am outspoken and admittedly opinionated and sometimes stubborn in my debates but I generally do so from genuine belief. What I wouldn’t do however is make cheap ill-informed comments on an issue that is traumatic to many people, serious illness in babies. In the past I wouldn’t have been so sensitive about it but now as a fairly new father I am like most very intolerant to anything negative about babies and children.

You posted comments in response to my first post, asking what I was doing, preaching or making a political statement? I accept that I may have misinterpreted you post at 33 if you didn’t mean it to come across as I took it, however I still believe it was making a sarcastic remark out of a sad situation.

So in turn I responded as I did and bla bla bla.

Knowing now of your personal experiences with your wife, daughter and grandchild, I certainly acknowledge you of all people will have a lot of sympathy for the Blairs. So I apologise if I caused offence.

57

Scottie,

01/12/2006 12:14:55

How very sad for them, specially after losing the first one like they did.

You're saying it for many of us Shona, good for you and good health and good luck to the little one.

Btw medical experts have said recently that it's not only women having their first child when they're older that puts the child's health and life at risk, it's fathers as well.

58

Robert,

Kirriemuir 01/12/2006 15:10:13

Echelon(56), point accepted. Hopefully, I was not being sarcastic as sarcasm was not intended but, I was attempting to be facetious in that what was said was done with tongue-in-cheek and hence the subtlety and danger of taking things said, too seriously. I have no sympathy with GB's situation, which does not imply that I do not care; I do have empathy; big difference!

The insinuation on pensions relates only to those who took the initiative to provide themselves with sufficient security in retirement and both Tories and Socialists have been rapidly plundering this source of income through rapid devaluation over the past 24 years. GB could have resolved this 9 years ago but opted not to do so and the current move (to consider it this coming year) is intended as a sweetener to ensure his advancement to PM and the next New Labour's stay in power; it is one of those 'catch22' situations. Those of us affected are affected for evermore as no government is ever likely to readdress this long-standing anomaly.

My one irritant, however, is having to explain myself when what is said should have been obvious.

59

catherine - married to a proud scottish american,

atlanta GA 01/12/2006 16:41:10

from listen ear's comments #38 - they seem a little uninformed about specific childhood illnesses, like CF. while i know that there is not enough research into what exactly causes different birth defects, CF's causes are already known. it is genetic, and not affected by outside influences, like cell phone towers.

forgive me if i come across as harsh, my sister has CF, i am a carrier, and we are waiting to find out if my husband is, so we can have some idea of what we're facing with the child i'm pregnant with.

obviously, i'm not part of the political debate, being from another country, but i do know that the brown's have a long heartbreaking road ahead of them. i wish them the best.

60

Bill, Dunblane,

02/12/2006 00:37:10

59 - Catherine - Good luck to you also, I hope everything works out well for you and your family.

61

socialmedic,

usa 02/12/2006 08:16:07

129 cf, did I read the article correctly or did it say CF was genetic? Perhpaps CF is a genetic weakness toward prevailing environmental conditions. It would seem however, were it genetic then its occurance would be no surprise, any more than if we deliberatly bred an ill puppy from parent carriers whose breed and ancestroy is known to carry certain diseases. In the dog world we do not allow those who are known by a certain age to carry certain horrid disease to breed. Is it our duty then to breed then, knowing well that our family lines contain horrible diseases. Your post addresses degenerative disease caused by life style influenced by the pollution of industrial production that will never address those liabilities because of the power of money involved. But say if you deliberately breed knowing your genetics have propensity to perpetuate such and such illness, who is to blame for the outcome?

62

Edward,

02/12/2006 10:41:43

Allthough dont agree with Gordon Brown politically, on a personal level , wish him and his family well in getting through this trying time and hope that the day comes sooner that CF can be cured, not only for his son, but all children with CF

63

socialmedic,

usa 02/12/2006 11:48:18

iwouldnotwittingly conceiveanillchild


 

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