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Published Date: 01 July 2009
LABOUR was yesterday accused of running scared of voters after it refused to rule out delaying the Glasgow North East by-election until November.
The constituency has no MP after Michael Martin was forced to stand down as House of Commons Speaker amid criticism of his role in the MPs' expenses scandal.

It had been expected that the by-election – in what should be a safe Labour seat – would
be held on the same day as in Norwich North, where Labour MP Ian Gibson resigned in protest at being deselected as a result of his expenses claims.

But while Labour yesterday confirmed the Norwich North poll would take place on 23 July, it remained silent on reports that 12 November was the favoured date for Glasgow North East, saying only that no decision had been taken.

It was confirmed yesterday that Mr Martin will receive a peerage after the Queen agreed to honour him for his nine years as Speaker. She accepted a recommendation from Gordon Brown, despite the Prime Minister being told by members of a Lords appointments commission that Mr Martin could bring discredit to the upper chamber after being the first Speaker to quit for more than 300 years.

The SNP, which would look to build on its unexpected victory in Glasgow East last summer, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats all accused Mr Brown of looking to delay the poll for purely political reasons.

The SNP's Treasury spokesman Stewart Hosie said: "I think Labour is running scared. It does seem bizarre and extraordinary that the people of Norwich can have a new MP in a few weeks, but the people in Glasgow have to wait five months to cast their verdict on Labour."

David Mundell MP, the Tory shadow Scottish secretary, said there was no reason not to hold the poll on 23 July. He pointed out that Mr Martin, who quit on 21 June, had given more than a month's notice of his intention to stand down as Speaker.

Mr Mundell said: "I just think it's appalling that the north-east area of Glasgow is going to be without an MP for nearly six months.

"It's just another example of Labour party interests being put above the public interest. Everybody would have expected the two by-elections to have been held on the same day. They're obviously frightened to go forward and have the election on 23 July. They think they're going to lose it."

Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem MP for East Dunbartonshire, who had previously called for Mr Martin to quit as Speaker, said:

"You would think if they're going to be starting any kind of fightback it would almost be a good way of them doing so.

"It surely is going to be easier to win Glasgow North East than Norwich North. I suppose it shows they're really worried."

A Labour spokesman said party officials wanted to avoid holding the poll during the summer holidays.

The Glasgow Fair fortnight starts on 18 July, and it was during this period last year that the party lost Glasgow East. By comparison, it held Glenrothes when the by-election was held last November.

Rules on holding a by-election

THE date for a by-election is normally announced within three months of the seat being vacated. But because the rules are governed by parliamentary convention rather than law, they can be bent to party advantage.

A writ is moved in the Commons by the chief whip of the party represented by the seat's former MP. The poll is then held about 15 days later.

A bid, dating to 1973, to limit the total available time to move the writ to four months has never been implemented. A seat is normally left vacant in the run-up to a general election.

Writs cannot be served during a Commons recess.





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  • Last Updated: 30 June 2009 11:36 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Nevsky;,

Moscow 30/06/2009 21:42:17
What a disgrace that the people of Glasgow North East do not now have any representation until an SNP victory in November.

Labour putting the party before the people and of course not for the first time.

Martin gets a peerage despite even the Lords stating that it will bring disgrace on their saliva stained ermine robes.

The UK, the Union, Westminster, the Lords and the poltical system are a disgrace and the sooner Scotland is out of it the better!
2

Nevsky;,

Moscow 30/06/2009 21:44:18
Is this really what modern Scots want? Is this the best that can be hoped for and what the unionists defend!

What a joke!
3

Jerry Springer,

30/06/2009 22:45:29
1 Nevsky;,Moscow 30/06/2009 21:42:17
The UK, the Union, Westminster, the Lords and the poltical system are a disgrace and the sooner Scotland is out of it the better!
==========================================

Says Nevsky, living in Moscow.
4

Jerry Springer,

30/06/2009 22:46:22
OH DEAR!

Looks like independence is a busted flush.

From the BBC June 30th

"The poll also asked which of a range of scenarios were closest to people's views of how Scotland should be governed.

Under this wording, only 28% backed the option of Scotland becoming independent of the rest of the UK, with 47% in favour of remaining in the UK, with the Scottish Parliament able to make some decisions about the level of taxation and government spending in Scotland."

There you have it folks, when a straight forward question is asked to the public, a massive 28% want independence

No wonder.

Anyone voting for independence in the current climate needs their head examined.



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Colin B,

Bearsden 01/07/2009 00:03:16
Leaving the people of Springburn without an MP for months shows Labour cares.................about itself
7

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 01/07/2009 00:19:46
Springer1

Nevsky may be living in Moscow, but he's more in touch with Scotland than you'll ever be.

Just to repeat:

'Lord' Martin = disgraceful
No MP to represent Springburn = disgraceful

Furthermore, your selectiveness in regurgitating your favourite part of the BBC poll shows your lack of integrity.
8

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 01/07/2009 00:27:43
Maggie Brown is remembering that the SNP in Scotland had the biggest swing of voters toward them, away from Labour, in the EU elections
9

Jerry Springer,

01/07/2009 00:32:18
10 Andrew BOD,Aberdeenshire 01/07/2009 00:19:46
Springer1

Nevsky may be living in Moscow, but he's more in touch with Scotland than you'll ever be.
================================================

Really?

How would you know that?
10

Jerry Springer,

01/07/2009 00:33:42
11 For Scotlands Future,Vote for the SNP 01/07/2009 00:27:43
Maggie Brown is remembering that the SNP in Scotland had the biggest swing of voters toward them, away from Labour, in the EU elections
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EU Elections?

Only about 200 people voted in them!

Remind me again, how many extra seats did the SNP get in the Euro Elections?
11

Iainbroch,

01/07/2009 00:34:16
I cant understand the dealy as this is a by election that Liebore should win easily.
12

Iainbroch,

01/07/2009 00:35:22
Dithering taken to a new level? Or is Mandy still trying to find a suitable Lamb?
13

Iainbroch,

01/07/2009 00:36:32
re9
Why not do it to both hands?
14

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 00:40:51
Recent polling evidence suggests a swing to the SNP, despite it being mid-term for them. Labour are no doubt worried. Brown is the man who won't hold an election until he absolutely has to. However, it may be too late by then. Anyone hoping for a Labour recovery can keep holding their thumbs, or keeping their fingers crossed (whichever you prefer).

#4 Jerry Springer,

Independence is far from being a busted flush. I believe the sample shows a movement of about four points. Another sample might show less. What you have to explain is how the unionist parties recover lost ground to the SNP when further polling evidence suggests that the SNP are doing considerably better than the unionists would like.
15

Jerry Springer,

01/07/2009 00:43:49
#20 Gregor

Yes the SNP has done well generally speaking, but according to Newsnight on BBC2 last night it said that the poll showed that support for independence was at its lowest for years. Obviously that is the SNP's primary objective.

They called it the 'Salmond Paradox'.
16

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 00:44:30
#7

I've reported your comments as unsuitable for trying to undermine the entire threads. If you can't contribute to discussion, then you're better out of it. Hope you get busted.
17

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 00:46:55
#21 Jerry Springer,

You make the mistake - I think - of believing that the SNP are a one trick pony. They are not. If the SNP, following that logic, are only about independence, then why do people continue to support them when support for independence is, apparently, going down? Indeed, why - if support for independence is falling - do more people support them (as revealed on Newsnight Scotland tonight)?
18

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 01/07/2009 00:47:39
12 Springer

Simple really. He makes a reasoned argument. You have no interest in reason, only provocation.

13 Springer

"EU Elections?
Only about 200 people voted in them!
Remind me again, how many extra seats did the SNP get in the Euro Elections?"

200? Probably about 1,000,000 in Scotland. That's 999,000 more than voted in the BBC's revered poll.

19

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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 00:57:04
#6 Colin,

Labour only cares about itself. It's been self-serving for decades. They left Glenrothes without any representation for long enough. A seat I still think was won with some very irregular voting activities. I can't wait to see the next election result for Glenrothes. I think there should have been an automatic enquiry.
21

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 00:58:22
#23,

You are an ass.
22

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 00:59:17
I wanted to say a*se but the Scotsman prefer the American version. Still, it's one and the same. That's what you ar(s)e.
23

Anthony,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 01:00:50
This constituency includes some of the most deprived parts of the country. The people here need their MP more than most. Leaving them unrepresented for nearly five months for pure party political reasons, is unacceptable.
24

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01/07/2009 01:03:34
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 01:05:49
#31 Anthony,

You're right but Labour don't care about people being represented, they only care about people being represented by the right party and as far as Labour is concerned that's the Labour party. So they'll stall until they think they can win it. That's really what Brown is doing now. I suspect none of it will work. Labour are indulging themselves in a slow monotonous death because they can. I think we should store up our resentment and give them a good sound kicking (in the parliamentary sense) come the General Election. Let's show them who's boss. It's clearly not them anymore.
26

tartangladbach,

edinburgh 01/07/2009 01:08:16
does not go well for a general election for labour, if they can only fight one seat at a time. BYE BYE LABOUR
27

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

01/07/2009 01:10:56
#4 Jerry Springer

Do you favour :

1)Westminster directly making all decisions pertaining to Scotland?

2)Some decisions pertaining to Scotland made by Westminster and some by a Scottish Parliament?

3)All decisions pertaining to Scotland being made by a Scottish Parliament?

I'm not going to hang around for your answer and I know it isn't option (3).

...but if it is any conceivable variation of option (2), the only reason that it has already been conceded by Westminster or has in any possibility of ever being conceded by Westminster is the threat to the livelihoods of Unionist politicians posed by the SNP.

Therefore is totally unacceptable to anybody with any two or all three of the following - Brain, Backbone and Balls.

28

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 01:14:17
#36 Cynicus

What Jerry Springer didn't go into was what he thought led to the Salmond Paradox. Why is it that if support for independence is going down, support for the SNP is going up? Doesn't this suggest a far more worrying trend for the unionists?
29

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

01/07/2009 01:16:55
#36 Cynicus in Exile,

It can be effective though.

I read the article, scrolled down to his post, typed up mine and posted it.

Read yours...then had to scroll back up to the top of the page to remind myself what the article was about.

Nothing whatever to do with what I had posted about.

Shame on me!
30

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 01:22:42
#37 The Col. of Monte Cristo,

Great post! I wonder if he'll have the guts to answer?
31

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 01:25:04
By the way folks, watching Hamish MacDonnell on Newsnight Scotland tonight I got the distinct impression that he was playing a double game. It looks like he hopes the SNP will do well in Scotland because it will boost the Tories in England? I didn't think there were any real Tories, other than Maddox and Cochrane, left in the media.
32

Brianwci,

01/07/2009 01:40:07
#4 JS: OH DEAR!

Looks like independence is a busted flush.

Keep dreaming J.
33

Am Fògarrach,

01/07/2009 01:43:40
#32 Rufus "The sky is falling! the sky is falling!" Firefly from the Black Lagoon -

Do you always PANIC when someone frightens you with the truth? Oh,I forgot - truth is a stake through your heart.



34

Brianwci,

01/07/2009 01:45:05
Putting off going to the dentist doesn't make the pain go away, it just delays the inevitable.

As for 'LORD Martin. I'm sure that will go down very well with the voters of Glasgow N.E.

Labour wrong doings: Punishment = Being made a LORD

Yep, that should do it. Seems fair to me.
35

Edward,

01/07/2009 01:54:46
As per usual Labour thinking of tyhemselves before country. Not really surprising
36

Fletty73,

Stirling 01/07/2009 02:22:53
I don't quite understand why it should be up to Labour to decide a date for this by-election.

If Springburn can get along without an MP for so many months, then surely this just proves MPs do very little work. Except perhaps fill inexpenses claims forms.
37

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01/07/2009 05:08:03
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 05:45:26
I am not surprised the by-election is not ot be held till November.

Do you lot not realise how long it takes to organise a successful postal campaign?

Also shame on you, do you not understand it is what is good for the Labour Party that takes preference over all other interests ,be that voters ,or the entire country.

This already smells of electoral fraud.!!

PS Jack Mcconnell still not started his new job in Malawai, I wonder why?
39

donald,

glasgow 01/07/2009 05:47:23
Gregor Addison,
Glasgow 01/07/2009 00:44:30
#7

I've reported your comments as unsuitable for trying to undermine the entire threads. If you can't contribute to discussion, then you're better out of it. Hope you get busted.

#22. I have reported his loonie filth several times. Maybe he is on the Hootsmonm payroll.
40

donald,

glasgow 01/07/2009 05:50:10
What difference did it make to Springburn, when (Lord) Martin was swanning about Westmonster in tights? There is nothing now that anyone could possibly do to make Springburn any worse, nor even a Labour Trident in Hugganfield Loch.
41

dunedin bully wee 1877,

01/07/2009 05:51:48
13 Rufus


“EU Elections?

Only about 200 people voted in them!”




Maybe you think that “200” is German for 1,109,001?

The SNP received 321,007 votes and took one third of the available sets.
42

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 01/07/2009 06:01:18
# 14 Iainbroch

"I cant understand the dealy as this is a by election that Liebore should win easily."

There's the rub, there is no such thing as a safe labour seat anymore.

Normally you would have the professional parasites fighting tooth and nail for a safe seat. Getting chosen for a safe seat meant a life time membership in the Great Westminster Pig Trough.

Now you cant even get Glasgow Labour councillors to leave their own little sty for the big one in London.

I guess they chose the day after remembrance day in the hope that some of the patriotic feeling that it engenders will carry over to the poll. They know they need every help they can get to avoid a defeat.
43

Herry Oaksters,

01/07/2009 06:27:18
Labour are full of contempt,a bunch of sleaze ridden troughers who put themselves first and more most at every turn.
Martins peerage just proves how corrupt and immoral westmidden is.
Bring it on labour cowards.
44

Retired from Edinburgh,

Gorgie 01/07/2009 07:15:04
Lord Martin ? This shows the contempt that Brown feels for the electorate. Martin should be in the jail for his taxi frauds alone.
45

ddmc,

01/07/2009 07:25:38
It takes time for nu-liabour to complete all the postal votes !
46

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 01/07/2009 08:21:13
No great surprise - it worked in Glenrothes.

Norwich is a lost cause, but they think they can hold Glasgow. It will take at least six months to prepare enough postal votes - just to be sure!
47

Melly,

Dunblane 01/07/2009 08:27:29
What else do we expect of this corrupt, despicable gang of incompetants. Why is the Scotsman not running the proposed closure of the Scotstoun and Govan shipyards ?
48

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 08:37:07
let us remember Scotland is such an economic basket case ,and nobody wants Independence why would Labour delay a by-election?

I mean to say they couldn't be manipulating things here to suit their own narrow political ends could they?
You can smell the electoral fraud from here.

Iran ,Zimbabwe Scotland all subject to rigged voting
49

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01/07/2009 08:37:28
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 01/07/2009 08:47:24
Gorbals Mick becomes Lord Muck.

Business as usual.
51

fat lord prodder,

somewhere in alba 01/07/2009 09:03:16
Labour also finished second in Scotland, beaten by the Scottish National Party. It was only the second time Labour has failed to come first in Scottish voting for more than 50 years. In all the SNP secured 29.1 per cent of Scottish votes, with Labour on 20.8 per cent.
labour lost 1.5 million votes,compared with the 2004 elections
In 2004, Labour got 3,718,000 votes. This year, it was 2,381,000. Overall, 1,337,000 voters abandoned Labour.
so as we see there was a lot more voters than the 200 that jerry states
after years of deprevation and squallor under thatcher,mr matin just took the wages but done hee haww for his seat
as shown on bbc 2 newsnight scotland
locals hadnt seen him since the election,more people die earlier in life in his seat,poverty very high,so for one who stood as a socialist,how come he wasnt improving his constituents lives to the better
he and his wife ate better in a week,than some voters in his seat ate all year
52

dunedin bully wee 1877,

01/07/2009 09:06:06
“Lord Martin of Springburn”?

Anyone familiar with this part of Glasgow must recognise the irony of the local MP being “elevated” to the peerage as a result of his stewardship of this constituency over his years of tenure.

However, by delaying the by-election for only a few months, the Labourites could defend this position by pointing to the fact that this area has had no effective representation for over thirty years.

53

TWC,

exLabour 01/07/2009 09:08:34
They are terrified but they'll go for an October GE
54

fat lord prodder,

somewhere in alba 01/07/2009 09:10:31
#57 they just though ,the votes would be in the ballot box,as they hadnt lost in 50 years in scotland
now they know they can lose,will it make a difference to their seats and the voters lives?
i wouldnt hold my breath
55

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 01/07/2009 09:18:59
Norwich voters are getting the chance to elect a new MP in a matter of weeks.
Second class Scots can wait till November.
56

fat lord prodder,

somewhere in alba 01/07/2009 09:28:41
and norwich was vacated after martin resigned as speaker,so why is norwich going first?,testing the waters?,quicker its done,less pain suffered
if i was brown,i would be in martins constit finding out what the voters wanted,implimenting it quickly,and giving the help they should have had years ago
why did he get elevated to the lords?,well maybe lord watson will teach him how to burn hotel curtains
57

Scottish and Proud,

glasgow 01/07/2009 09:46:44
Glasgow East is a "safer" seat than Norwich.
There it will take only a 6% swing to the Tories to lose.

In springburn it is a massive % for SNP to win.

Just shows how popular SNP must be if Labour is scared to hold election now.
58

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 01/07/2009 10:01:04
So much for "openness and accountability" in government. Springburn can scarcely hold anyone accountable if they are not represented! A good Scots word springs to mind about Brown "sleekit".

The progression of a failed Speaker who tried his best to conceal both his own expenses and those of MPs to the Lords is almost a standard m.o. for the Liebore cretins to ensure they retain their position at the trough regardless.

Accountability too suffers when many of his cabinet are also Members of the House of Lords. No taxation without representation!
59

ukrefusenik,

falkirk 01/07/2009 10:25:32
the disgraceful mouthpiece , bleats its ever more desperate mantra , " britain this ..... britain that....briain the next thing " , running dodgy polls that are nothing but manufactured, cherry picked , lies , holding "debates" amongst their unionist pals that excludes nationalist voices , welcome to the B B C and this is before the campaign starts , rubbishing too wee , too poor ,too stupid scotland . less than an hour later when they think we arent watching , gushing about how the "second" oil power in europe (independent norway)is the most wealthy per capita . that others are looking at enviously . the B B C are not some "neutral voice" amenable to calls of fair play, but a razor sharp tool that is deliberately calculatedly deployed against the aspirations of the scottish people . are they scared ? almost to a panic .watch their B B C lies become a torrent
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ukrefusenik,

falkirk 01/07/2009 10:38:24
if they didnt STEAL , GLENROTHES . where are the voting records ? we must be vigilant the british secret police will stuff the ballot boxes again , i say the secret police , because the faces of the labourites at the count that night went from resigned to incredulous with no stops in between , so they werent in on the theft , the top man (next door constituency)in london didnt fall in the middle of the banking crimes scandal , so who cares about the sweaty socks ? this is a deeply sinister state , anyone who fails to recognise this , is doing themselves no favours .
61

Tris,

01/07/2009 10:54:43
Unbelieveable.

They are so corrupt, it's almost impossible to believe that anyone would be stupid enpough to vote for them ever again.
62

Itchy,

01/07/2009 11:01:54
Don't know why Labour are delaying the by-election. The people of that consitituency will always vote Labour because their father did.
63

thaijambo,

ben the scullery 01/07/2009 11:17:14
#16 I think #7 made a very sensible point, unlike a lot of your biased posts. To report the post as unsuitable sounds rather pathetic to me. Other people are entitled to an opinion even if it does not agree with yours.
64

Yeah1,

01/07/2009 11:21:49
#66

"if they didnt STEAL , GLENROTHES . where are the voting records ?"

Don't embarass yourself by bringing up that old conspiracy theory about Glenrothes again.

Why can't SNP supporters on here accept that they lost Glenrothes and move on?

If Glenrothes had really been stolen:

1. Why didn't the SNP or any of the other parties raise an official complaint?

2. Why didn't labour also 'steal' Glasgow East?

3. Where is the proof of this supposed theft?
65

thaijambo,

ben the scullery 01/07/2009 11:22:33
my post 69, sorry Gregor got you mixed up with someone else when I criticised your posts
66

dunedin bully wee 1877,

01/07/2009 11:26:30
I note that during the Queen’s visit to our Parliament that there was no rendition of “God Save the Queen”.

Vive La Republica Escosica!
67

Braes of Glenmiller,

By the derelict Clydeside cranes 01/07/2009 11:31:21
Well, they're going to get us to build their warships and then make us redundant. They're so afraid of elections that they will leave a Labour heartland without an MP for months. They're screwed up the railway from Edinburgh to London...or is it London to Edinburgh??.....by taking it back into government hands so that their semi-PFI friends at National Express can walk away...ahem...Scot free.

It's not a good news day for Stalin and his chums in Westminster as regards Scotland.

I know...let's bury it in innuendo and insinuation a la Lord Deputy Prime Minister (non elected) style.

Labour Spin doctors? More like quacks to me.

Cheers,

Ex Labour party member now fully behind independence under a government that cares for Scotland, not their own rotten hides.
68

Willie Mor,

01/07/2009 12:09:23
Again we have the obscenity of this rotten Labour government denying the people represenation so that they can try to gain some perceived electoral advantage by delaying an election.

Didn't stop the b*stards elevating Mr Martin to the Lords though the other day.

Sadly I can see a time where in the absence of a functioning democracy people will resort to other means to fill the void.
69

nostress,

grangemouth 01/07/2009 12:13:57
Listen it makes sense to postpone this till November. After all it gives Labour more time to organise all the dead voter postal votes they need and, also having had a Labour MP since time immemorial, the people of Springburn have never had any representation anyway. That's why the place is in the state it's in. So another couple of months of no MP has got to be better than another corrupt Labour hack.
70

Arfur,

01/07/2009 12:14:21
We all know that the scum that is known as Labour are going to fix the postal votes so why can nothing be done about this?
71

Faux Cul,

01/07/2009 12:14:45
3
Jerry Springer,
30/06/2009 22:45:29

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1 Nevsky;,Moscow 30/06/2009 21:42:17
The UK, the Union, Westminster, the Lords and the poltical system are a disgrace and the sooner Scotland is out of it the better!
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Says Nevsky, living in Moscow.

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Says Jerry Springer living in LaLa Land

72

Yeah1,

01/07/2009 12:18:29
#74

"No one challenged the scrapping of the register because if someone has gone to all the trouble of scrapping it do you really think that any subsequent enquiry is going to find any wrong doing."

The register wasn't scrapped it was lost by Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court.

Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court is run by the Scottish Courts Service. The Scottish Courts Service are an agency of the SNP Scottish Government.

An independent inquiry found that there was no 'malicious intent' involved in the loss of the register.

But you keep clinging to your conspiracy theories if you like - you no doubt also believe Elvis is still alive and that there are alien spaceships in Area 51.
73

Herry Oaksters,

01/07/2009 12:23:05
Not only was Glenrothes a fraud but right accross the poxed corrupt union from Birmingham to Blackburn labour have been at it.
Time to rid ourselves of these useless selfseeking parasitical liars and cheats that call themselves nu labour.
74

Yeah1,

01/07/2009 12:25:53
#80

"Not only was Glenrothes a fraud"

You have proof of this fraud I assume? Why not take it to the police?
75

Herry Oaksters,

01/07/2009 12:26:02
Labour had no choice but to make the register disappear, if properly scrutinized labour would have been ficked.
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Herry Oaksters,

01/07/2009 12:27:37
So far there seems to have been 47 investigations on labour fraud all to do with corrupt postal voting.
Funny that.
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Yeah1,

01/07/2009 12:29:32
There are several reasons why the SNP lost in Glenrothes, none of which are due to 'fraud' or 'postal vote rigging'.

1. The local popularity of the labour candidate
2. The so-called 'Brown bounce' at the time of the by-election
3. The unpopularity of the local SNP-led council - and Labour's negative campaign against them
4. The squeezing of the tory and lib dem vote - turning it into a straight labour v SNP fight
5. The percieved smugness and arrogance of Alex Salmond - in particular his 'we will win it' comment the day before the election
78

Faux Cul,

01/07/2009 12:30:19
# 67 TRIS

Sadly many are

Starting with the
Long Term Unemployed
Long Term Sickness Benefit
Civil Servants
Local Authority Servants
Client Charities
Spin doctors
MSM employees

Say, 7 millions on the UK not economically active so, 600,000 + in Scotland.

Civil Service = 50,000
Local Authority Employees = 300,000

Maybe 900,000 potential client votes out of about 3 million voters?

79

Arfur,

01/07/2009 12:30:39
Yeah1 - why not stick your head further into the sand.


Deluded fool.
80

Yeah1,

01/07/2009 12:30:57
#82

"Labour had no choice but to make the register disappear"

You have proof they did this?

#83

"So far there seems to have been 47 investigations on labour fraud all to do with corrupt postal voting"

If labour were also involved in corrupt postal voting in Glenrothes why wasn't there also an investigation there?
81

Arfur,

01/07/2009 12:33:22
#84 Yeah1 - AND A 300% INCREASE ON POSTAL VOTES.
82

Yeah1,

01/07/2009 12:33:35
#86

"why not stick your head further into the sand. Deluded fool"

The only deluded fools here are people like you and 'Herry Oaksters' with your paranoid and ludicrous conspiracy theories.

I will repeat - if you have proof of this so-called 'corrupt postal vote rigging' or 'fraud' why not take it to the police?

If you don't have proof then unfortunately your accusations remain alongside other such conspiracy theories - like those who say man didn't land on the moon and so on.
83

Arfur,

01/07/2009 12:37:53
#87 Yeah1 - why do you think the SNP asked for the records? They are not going to just accuse without making sure they found at least one person that didn't vote on that list. Had the records not disappeared the SNP would have reported them and an investigation launched. However as they seem to always get off with it I am not sure there is much point in raising it.
84

Gordon Clifford,

Denia Spain 01/07/2009 12:46:34
Michael Martin, a disingenuous, well balanced man with a large chip on each shoulder, publicly blamed "The Toffs" for his demise, now he cannot wait to join his class enemies in the House of Lords. The Queen has agreed to honour him, indeed Her Majesty must be spitting feathers at the very thought of elevating the first Speaker in over three hundred years to be dismissed for misconduct. This is a political appointment which brings the UK honours system into even greater disrepute
85

Tartan Viking,

01/07/2009 13:02:17
#91. Agreed.

It is a measure of how low we have sunk when we appoint a thief into the House of Lords to get further priviledges for the remainder of his life and nobody is on the streets objecting.

86

Tartan Viking,

01/07/2009 13:04:13
#4 Roofass.

Read today's poll. Dear dear dear....seems the Union os a busted flush.

Anyone voting for the Union in the current climate needs their head examined.
87

wullieboy,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 13:12:26
i seem to remember that the Labour Party rushed to have an election in Glasgow East last year in the middle of the Glasgow Fair holidays. i believe that they had hoped that all the SNP voters would be away on holiday. That didn't work.
BUT the reason they gave at the time for the unseemly haste to have the bye-election was that it was not right to leave the constituents in the east end without a sitting MP for too long.
wish the labour party would make their minds up as to how long you can go without an MP !!
88

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 01/07/2009 13:13:47
Of course they are running scared. I would be too if I were them. The SNP will take Glasgow NE for sure.
89

Miss H,

01/07/2009 13:15:45
Labour were they were out door knocking in the constituency over the weekend.

If they have decided not to go for a July election then yes they must be running scared, because of the reaction they got.

If the thinking is that by the time November comes everyone will have forgotten about why Martin resigned they have got that wrong - a by-election will just give the story new legs.
90

Miss H,

01/07/2009 13:18:37
40 Actually it is not. An opposition MP could move the writ. But the House of Commons would have to vote for it.
91

Observer,,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 13:46:15
Maybe someone else could move the writ and then Labour could explain why they are waiting for so long. They probably need a few months to get things in place - remember Martin's boy is the MSP and Labour hold the Council. Expect a lot of investment in the area and local ''initiatives.''

Watch this space.
92

Tris,

01/07/2009 13:53:03


If the Lords wasn't already pretty much of a joke, it most certainly is now. Abolish it and all it's nonsense and have a Senate of 100 maximum, witrhout all the stupid titles and nonsense.

93

ukrefusenik,

camelon 01/07/2009 14:30:16
i havent heard , is the boy going to stand ? nepotism , camel coats ,sovereign pinky rings , the "friendly" lean in , one day my boy , this will all be yours
94

IainGlasgow,

01/07/2009 14:33:39
Democracy is just becoming an ever bigger pain in the backside for Labour isn't it.

What can we expect though when cabinet ministers include the unelected and unaccountable Lord Mandelson of Bilderberg?

http://acpscotland.wordpress.com/
95

nostress,

grangemouth 01/07/2009 14:40:36
#104 - Iain, democracy is not a problem for labour at all - they just need more time to get round the old folks' homes to make sure they fill in the postal votes correctly and of course they need time to organise dead voters' postal votes too...tghen they've got to ensure that the electoral records go missing shortly afterwards - this is not a problem for them - they're good at it, but it does take a lot of organising.
96

Faux Cul,

01/07/2009 14:43:40
TRis

It is even worse than I said.

8+ million public sector workers so say 800,000 in Scotland gives Labour a client state of about 1.4 millions!
97

Yeah1,

01/07/2009 14:58:43
#103 Bring it on:

Rather than cutting and pasting from (obviously) biased SNP blogs perhaps you could explain why an independent investigation found that the loss of the register was not through 'malicious intent'?
98

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01/07/2009 15:34:50
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99

Miss H,

01/07/2009 15:43:48
107 This is such a boring debate but to deal with your issues.

The SNP did not call the results into question because there is no way of knowing or verifying whether it was a fair election. That is obviously unfortunate but I guess the party leadership did not think that the electorate would appreciate the electio being re-run!

You do not get data on the number of postal voters in any particular constituency from SNP blogs, you get it from the electoral office of the relevant local authority. That is also where you apply for the marked up register. Using both pieces of information you can establish how many people had a postal vote, how many people voted in a polling station and who voted. Without the marked up register however it is impossible to verify what happened. So we will never ever know if fraud took place because it is impossible to prove one way or another. Clearly some people believe that fraud took place, others believe that it did not. But no-one knows and will ever know for sure.

What we do know for sure is that what happened to the marked up register for Glenrothes has never ever happened before in Scotland. If the SNP take the seat next year people will draw their own conclusions.
100

Sgian Dubh,

01/07/2009 16:26:52
Although an absolute disgrace, it is totally expected and typical of Liebore to put party and party members' interests before the needs of the people they are actually supposed to be representing.
Brown and Co. must now be regarded as the lowest of the low. They need kicked out permanently. They bring disgrace and dishonour to brave men and women who worked hard for the Labour movement in the past.
101

morris,

edinburgh 01/07/2009 17:16:56
It was confirmed yesterday that Mr Martin will receive a peerage after the Queen agreed to honour him for his nine years as Speaker.

Peerage? Should that not be Porridge?


107 Perhaps you could explain how its possible to establish what DID not happen to it, (ie malicious intent) but not what DID happen to it? I would have thought that you need to have established where it is before you can claim to have examined it? If you have not examined it (because its missing) you cannot establish anything at all!

There is no evidence of wrong doing is presumably what you mean. Well thats hardly a surprise is it?


To hold one elction quickly but the other delayed does not suggest the government are scared

IT PROVES IT!
To suggest otherwise will simply make that person the subject of ridicule.

Labour have even admitted that the SNP only want to call an election because they would do very well in it. That means Labour do NOT want to call an election (or by election in Glasgow)because they would not do well in it!
Labour are not accused of running scared .
THEY VOLUNTEERED THE INFORMATION!


102

Darien,

Panama 01/07/2009 17:34:16
Anybody wonder why wee Duggie has been in hiding these past few months?

Here's a clue: Glenrothes

Here's another clue: postal votes

Wonder why the polis are no interested?
103

morris,

edinburgh 01/07/2009 17:47:04
91 Normally I would oppose the Queen forcing an election by disolving parliament ,but Im convinced that the monarchy would only gain in popularity (in England certainly ) if she did.

That is something I never thought I would say.

Of course the Queen would be accused of bringing the Labour government down, just like the SNP did.It had nothing to do with the fact that for the next 18 years Labour couldnt get enough votes in four successive elections! Well that is Labours version anyway.

I see a SLIGHT flaw in that argument .

ITS NUMPTY NONSENSE
104

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 01/07/2009 17:54:30
#111
"It was confirmed yesterday that Mr Martin will receive a peerage after the Queen agreed to honour him for his nine years as Speaker"

Because we have a constitutional monarchy (even although we have no written constitution), it is Maggie Brown who decides who gets peerages, not the Queen - she just rubber-stamps them. He also writes her speeches at the opening of Westminster.
105

dunedin bully wee 1877,

01/07/2009 18:19:59
115 morris,

I do not believe that the reigning monarch has any constitutional authority to dissolve a sitting Westminster Parliament against the wishes of a majority of the duly elected members.

Whatever we may feel about Westminster in general or the current Labour Government in particular, the role of a constitutional monarch is merely ceremonial and she is obliged to do only what she is told.

We could not have it otherwise, unless or until we elect a President of the Independent Republic of Scotland.

106

IainGlasgow,

01/07/2009 18:56:20
#114

It has the hand of Common Purpose all over it I think

http://acpscotland.wordpress.com
107

Ugly George,

01/07/2009 19:33:40
Reflecting on the Glenrothes Registry affair.

It is difficult not to conclude that if similar electoral malpractice had been pinpointed at the recent Iranian General Election.

We would have Invaded, deposed the corrupt regime and liberated the oppressed anti-Islamic fundamentalist majority.

But everything in Iran was above board - They had an enquiry that said so.

108

Observer,,

Glasgow 01/07/2009 19:44:15
Well look on the bright side, now we have our own real-life conspiracy theory scandal in Glenrothes. It is now up there with the man on the grassy knoll, the Roswell incident, and the secret Royal connections that everybody knows about of Jack the Ripper.
109

Eve,

Scotland 01/07/2009 20:21:41
"The SNP, which would look to build on its unexpected victory in Glasgow East last summer, Conservatives and Liberal Democrats all accused Mr Brown of looking to delay the poll for purely political reasons."

Is Goreden Brown no waiting untill he holds the General election to sort out that vacant seat. It will no dought be a snap election that we'll hear getting anounced 2weeks before the day it's held or something quick like that.

BUT then again he might just back out of that too!!!

Go on Gorden hold a general election, we know you want too!!!
110

Eve,

Scotland 01/07/2009 20:38:49
#41 Sorry Suzanne: You think ~1,000 People speak for the entire Scottish population. May I suggest you take up Stats for beginners.

If you have problem in this area these are the people to get intoch with.

http://www.thebigplus.com/bigplus/CCC_FirstPage.jsp

How many people are on the voters role? I belive it is over 2Million, though for some odd reason isnae over 3million. Or is that the number of people who acctualy use their vote!! BUT any it proves a point that 1,000 is only a small persentage of those who can vote.

#121 Observer,,: What first the Dead learnt how to vote Labour and know the Allieens from somewhere like Mars vote Labour!

Amazing cause I would have thought it was the dead people again working with the postman.

111

puskas,

East kilbride 02/07/2009 20:20:03
The dead voted at Glenothes...
112

puskas,

East kilbride 02/07/2009 20:21:29
Why be drawn into replies with the inbecile who is trolling this site..
113

puskas,

East kilbride 02/07/2009 20:21:53
Genrothes

 

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