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D-Day in Glasgow East – and every vote counts for big two



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Published Date: 24 July 2008
THE battle for Glasgow East looked like going down to the wire last night, with the SNP claiming the race was "neck and neck" and Downing Street predicting a Labour victory by about 1,000 votes.
Alex Salmond, the First Minister, maintained the "ground was shaking and shuddering" as a political earthquake approached, but sources close to Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, were quietly confident.

On the ground, Margaret Curran, the Labour candidate, took to a soapbox outside a bingo hall in the East End and – accompanied by a piper – rallied her supporters to secure every last vote.

A straw poll by The Scotsman provided further evidence that the result was on a knife-edge, with talk of a complex mix of general voter apathy, long-term Labour loyalty, and disgruntlement over 11 years of New Labour and the rise in the cost of living.

This is despite the seat being – at least on paper – Labour's third safest in Scotland, after it won a 13,507 majority at the 2005 general election.

Voters were being inundated yesterday with personal letters from both Labour and the SNP. Ms Curran portrayed her SNP rival, John Mason, as a "hardline" Nationalist, while the SNP emphasised the links between Mr Brown and Margaret Thatcher, whom the Prime Minister had to tea at Downing Street last year.

Labour said it planned to knock on 1,000 doors and claimed to have 200 activists on the ground – a number it hoped to double to 400 for polling today.

Ms Curran, a Labour MSP for nine years, has attempted to fight the by-election on her own record and divert attention from Labour's unpopularity at Westminster.

She told applauding supporters yesterday: "A number of weeks ago, I promised that the Labour fightback was about to start. The Labour fightback is under way, and we are on our way.

"My message to every voter in the East End is this: use your vote to elect a fighter who will stand up for you. I promise that if I am elected, that work will start on Friday morning."

She sought to puncture the hyperbole of Mr Salmond, saying: "I think a lot of people would thank me if I got to wipe the smile off his face somewhat."

As the final day of campaigning continued, sources close to the Prime Minister told The Scotsman that he was "completely relaxed" about the by-election result.

Insiders are predicting a repeat of the 2004 by-election in Hamilton South, where Labour's majority was slashed from nearly 16,000 to 556, as well as the contest in Falkirk West in 2000 where Labour's lead was cut from 13,783 to 705.

One source said: "The feeling we get from people on the ground is that we will be looking at a similar result. It is the middle of the holiday, and there are people who are p***** off about fuel and the cost of living, but we are relaxed about the outcome and expect to win. People are not voting for a government at a general election."

The SNP held its final media call yesterday afternoon, but the mood was noticeably less confident than during a visit to the Fort shopping centre the previous day.

However, Mr Salmond told reporters that the race was "neck and neck". He said an SNP victory would be "extraordinary" in a seat that, on paper, was listed as safer than Mr Brown's parliamentary constituency of Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath. He said: "I think there are very few Labour MPs in Scotland who are sleeping soundly these days."

Mr Salmond maintained the poll would be a "contrast between two governments" and allowed a focus on the "failures of the London Labour government over an 11-year period and the intense disappointment in the performance of Gordon Brown's administration".

He added: "In terms of the political earthquake, which I have detected through the campaign, let me say the ground is shaking and shuddering. I think the earthquake is coming and will arrive on schedule tomorrow. I think this is the epicentre."

Voters opt for apathy as parties 'bombard' constituency

MARGARET Curran, the Labour candidate, stood outside the Mecca Bingo Hall in the heart of the East End yesterday to deliver her "one last push" rallying cry to her loyal team.

But as the final hours of the campaign ticked away, it was difficult to see if the work of any of the parties had made a difference to the regulars.

As they wandered in for the afternoon bingo session, there were those who had taken the SNP's message to heart. One woman admitted: "The SNP has swayed me. I've been a life-long Labour supporter, but this time I'll be switching."

Others, like Hugh Sinclair, a 22-year-old ex-soldier, were already sold on the SNP message: "This is going to be the first time I've voted. I want independence for Scotland, that's the main factor in deciding how I'll vote."

However, of those spoken to, support for the SNP was less pronounced than the engrained support for Labour.

One woman leaving the hall said: "I have been a traditional Labour supporter, and I was not going to vote this time round. But having seen the way the SNP have gone about it, I will be voting tomorrow and so will my friends – there's too much at risk."

Elizabeth Sanders was of similar mind: "I have always voted Labour. I have grandchildren and I have to think about the future I want for them."

One man was more blunt: "The SNP's policies are garbage. They won't do anything here. People will just keep voting Labour."

Above all, though, apathy ruled.

As one Mecca staff member said: "It's been really intense here, we've been bombarded. But it doesn't interest me and I'm still not going to vote.

"It's been the same with the people coming in to play. You speak to them and they're just not interested."

The full article contains 1010 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Mogwai Fear Santa,

24/07/2008 00:13:15
Curran spent 9 years as MSP, but when Newsnight's Michael Crick asked if she'd ever visited her fellow Labour MP's constituency office at all, she refused to answer. Standing up for the East End, indeed.

Don't give this woman a second chance.
2

AM2,

Scotland,UK 24/07/2008 00:13:51
John Mason is of course a “hardline” nationalist. But it goes further than that.

He has said that his only reason for even being in politics in to break up Britain.

Here’s the exact quote: “I'm in politics for one reason and that is to break up the UK and so any suggestion of a strengthening of a link between Scotland and England is what I'm opposed to.”

His three main opponents are rightly appalled by this narrow–minded focus.

Ian Robertson said: “Local people want a local MP, who will focus on local issues. They do not want another career politician who is more interested in advancing the agenda of people whose "one reason" for being in politics is to break up Britain.”

Davena Rankin said: “He is obsessed. I’m more interested in Glasgow East.”

Margaret Curran said: “My opponent Councillor Mason says he’s in politics for one reason only: to break up the United Kingdom. I’m in politics for a fundamentally different reason: to fight poverty and stand up for the people of the East End.”

So if the people of Glasgow East imagine that this “colourless man in the shadows, often sporting a bitter expression” genuinely cares about all the issues his contrived rhetoric touches, they should think again. He’s a single issue politician – and that issue certainly isn’t to serve his constituents.

Any of the other three candidates would do a better job for the East End.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 24/07/2008 00:15:04
I wonder if the Scotsman's called this one as accurately as it did Dunfermline and West Fife...

9 Feb 2006:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/politics/Labour-set-to-scrape-byelection.2749375.jp

10 Feb 2006:
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Lib-Dems-storm-to-election.2749663.jp
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 24/07/2008 00:17:34
#2 YAWN. The SNP are committed to giving Scotland's people the right to decide whether they want independence or not in a free democratic vote. The Unionist parties refuse to even CONSIDER the subject (except Labour who don't have the faintest idea what their position is from one day to the next) and stick like glue to their UNION IS EVERYTHING position. So who are the "hardliners" here?
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 00:17:54
#1, yup - Newsnight tonight was indeed interesting - I have to question why they didn't run the story earlier in the campaign? Why this rag (amongst others) refuses to acknowledge the story or analyse the allegations? Why Curran refuses to answer any legitimate questions?

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democrate,

central Scotland 24/07/2008 00:18:29
AM2 - There are none so blind as the likes of you. Breaking up the UK and concentrating on Scotland's needs will pay dividends on a personal and societal level. But you just cannot see it, can you? More is the pity.
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Vivas,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 00:19:32
Elizabeth Sanders was of similar mind: "I have always voted Labour. I have grandchildren and I have to think about the future I want for them."

Yup thats right Elizabeth. You think about their future in this millenium. Forgotten and ignored by everyone, on the dole and dead by the time they get into their sixties.

I don't blame Elizabeth. I do blame the liars, the no-users, the hypocrites, the sloths, the brainless, the traitors, the opportunists, the freeloaders, the money-grabbers, the scum ... who deceive people like Margaret to this day. More simply known as the Scottish Labour Party.
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SlyFifer,

California 24/07/2008 00:20:24
I wish the SNP all the best of luck and hope they win today's election. Even if they loose and decimate Labors majority they will have secured a victory.
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Col. Blimp­IV*,

24/07/2008 00:26:03
It wasn't till well after lunchtime, that exit polls gave any one anyone a feeling of confidence that Jim Sillars would win in Govan.

But would anyone like to bet me £50 that if the result her gets put into the Electoral Calculus Model, that Labour would be be projected to win less than Ten seats.
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 00:27:39
#7 Exactly... the one thing that has really annoyed me about the Labour campaign is their attempts to turn criticism of their track record over 50 years of control into criticism of Glasgow East: Sorry, but the parasites in the Labour movement who have taken this constituency for granted really do have something to answer for. And that is not a reflection on the people of Glasgow East or the area.
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Deeside,

Scotland 24/07/2008 00:34:51
TRADERS ARE URGING VOTERS TO SAY ‘NO’ TO LABOUR IN GLASGOW EAST AFTER DODGY LAND DEAL UNCOVERED

On the eve of the Glasgow East by election, traders of Paddy’s Market in the city have expressed outrage as a Freedom of Information Act request has uncovered firm evidence that leading Labour councillors have misled the council and the public over a lucrative land deal. Traders, most of who live in the Glasgow East constituency are urging voters not to back Labour in tomorrow’s by election.

Councillor George Ryan who was originally tipped be Labour’s candidate in the Glasgow East by election until he failed to turn up for the selection meeting earlier this month, was the councillor responsible for presenting a factually incorrect and misleading report regarding the land deal which would see the closure of Glasgow’s 150 year old Paddy’s Market.

Council minutes as well as emails show that claims by Councillor Ryan in his report that the landowners would be prepared to give the council a much reduced rate, have been proved to be incorrect. Documents also reveal that leading Labour Councillors were also fully aware of the inaccuracies when the report was presented to Council but failed to have the information corrected.

The report, which Councillor Ryan presented to council, recommended that the council give the go ahead for negotiations commence with the landowners which would see the council to take over the prime development land. However, the documents revealed under FOI show that a number of Labour councillors and officials were already well on the way to closing a deal without any authority to do so.

One trader said:

“I have been a Labour voter all of my life but in view of the underhanded and dishonest way in which Labour have attempted to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes; I won’t ever be voting Labour again. If they can do this sort of thing to everyday people, the very people they claim to represent, then Labour cannot be trusted at any level of
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/07/2008 00:35:56
2
AM2
There is a clue in the name of the party John Mason supports.
The. Scottish. Nationalist. Party.

Is there a softline?
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 24/07/2008 00:36:08
#7 Vivas

Ah, there’s that charming word again: “traitors”.

On the SNP’s website, people who agree with me that Scotland’s best interests are served within the United Kingdom are described as “traitors”, “enemies of Scotland” and only “claiming to be Scottish”.

If the people of Glasgow East were aware of this kind of repugnant dogma, I doubt that the SNP would pick up very many votes at all.
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Darien,

Panama 24/07/2008 00:37:25
'Britain' is finished AM2. You know it, we know it, even Sponge Bob knows it. Let's hope the good folks of Glasgow East know it too. Scotland has a bright future and it only needs a few more of her people to believe a wee bit more in themselves - and ignore your Unionist/British Nationalist 'we cannae dae it' rants.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 24/07/2008 00:38:39
#13 "Repugnant dogma", from the man who's called John Mason a "hardliner" for wanting to give the people of Scotland a voice on their future...
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeen/shire 24/07/2008 00:39:21
2 AM2

Ah, selective quotes, negativity and character-assassination.

That about sums up your post.

How about debating the real issues on the minds of ordinary folk in Glasgow East, Scotland, or even the UK as a whole? That didn't even cross your mind.

No, on polling day you wanted to be number one post on the headline story with a spineless party-political broadcast.

Didn't quite make number 1. Wonder if Margaret will?
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 00:39:56
Very interesting and revealing program earlier tonight on Scotland's Oil.

Why was it tucked away on BBC4 with no advance publicity?
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24/07/2008 00:40:34
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AM2,

Scotland,UK 24/07/2008 00:41:07
#15 "Rev" S Campbell

Exactly what kind of "reverend" are you? I didn't say that.

#14 Darien

More misrepresentation. It's not a case of "cannae". It's more "shouldnae".

Goodnight. I'll leave you to it.
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Chris.J,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 00:43:55
#13 I think most rational people would agree that the Labour Party has indeed betrayed the people of Glasgow East...

Earlier on you were also griping that the SNP website claimed that to want independence was "normal" - and by some bizarre extrapolation you interpreted that as implying that the SNP thought everyone else is "abnormal". Sorry, but no - believing in independence is as normal as believing in the union - nothing more sinister than that. And why should we not be entitled to our views? Why should we brow-beaten by increasingly esoteric misrepresentations such as your "abnormal" delusions...

Quit the word games - and get to grips with the real issues.
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/07/2008 00:46:48
13
And the people of Glasgow East are incapable of using the internet AM2?
Your Tory slip is showing...
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24/07/2008 00:51:21
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Anne, London,

24/07/2008 00:53:30
I was sorry to read about the lady who was thinking about her grandchildren and the life that they might have - while intending to vote labour.

Look around you. Lots of good people, but hope, aspiration to have a job and look after your own family? Well, labour have had their 50 years - why not try something new?
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Mogwai Fear Santa,

24/07/2008 00:54:31
#13 AMDeux "If the people of Glasgow East were aware of this kind of repugnant dogma, I doubt that the SNP would pick up very many votes at all."

Well get yourself up to the printers first thing tomorrow man. How many leaflets will £100 get you? 5000? Put your money where your Tory shill mouth is and make the people of Glasgow Easy aware. So we can see how many votes the SNP pick up after they've had the AM2 Fair Fortnight Experience.

My guess is: a landslide.
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24/07/2008 00:54:43
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ThomasP,

24/07/2008 00:55:23
#2

Nationalists want to break up Britain?

Now what idiot would really be unaware of what the SNP represent?

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24/07/2008 01:01:16
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24/07/2008 01:02:41
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/07/2008 01:02:47
33
Well well, you got me there.

Do you have a nice warm feeling in your nether regions?
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FrancesP,

24/07/2008 01:04:59
Is Margaret Curran actually capable of answering a straight question? She was asked last week if she supported a ban on airguns - no coherent answer. She was asked last night if she had raised concerns about Brown's abolition of the 10p tax band - no coherent answer. Tonight on Newsnight, Michael Crick asked her at least a dozen times if she had ever visited David Marshall's constituency office in nine years as an MSP - instead of answering, she goes off into a bizarre speech (what a certain American would call a squawk) about what a squeaky-clean MP she will be. Fascinating, Ms Curran, very laudable I'm sure, but ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QUESTION YOU WERE ASKED. Does she think people are fools?

More to the point, if the truthful answer is that she's never been to Marshall's constituency office, does she seriously think owning up that fact would somehow be worse for her than the massive suspicions she's raised by so blatantly avoiding a perfectly legitimate question?
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24/07/2008 01:11:58
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Willie Macleod,

Wick 24/07/2008 01:19:17
#39 Alex Armstrong So David Banks can have his self expression.
And close down threads so no one else can comment.

Individual humanity no just a sad individual.
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/07/2008 01:19:21
I was presuming "Effing" Thankyou for your interest.
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/07/2008 01:22:34
46
So it is.

So just how much of an (_!_) are you?
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/07/2008 01:26:07
Ahh. I see just how much.

Not make it to a thousand then?
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Krissie,

Wales, UK 24/07/2008 01:28:17
The subheading "Voters opt for apathy as parties 'bombard' constituency"...

Surely it more likely to be that people are willfully choosing not to participate owing to the bombardment being an indication of ulterior motive (a greater issue - westminister based) and are thus being used than because they simply can't be bothered? Apathy is a poor and rather misleading word to use. Voters can't be made apathetic by "bombardment"... they can however become aggrieved and choose not to vote as a result.
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24/07/2008 01:30:02
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Col. Blimp­IV*,

24/07/2008 01:42:03
the english are best...I think A & M did the song.

If you meet an Irishman, Welshman or Scot

You'll find him as stinker...as often as not.

chorus:

The english are best, the english are best

So it's up with the english and down with the rest....


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Col. Blimp­IV*,

24/07/2008 01:47:46
I would like to affirm; that the sentiments expressed at post #78 are not necessarily my own.

Quite the reverse in fact.
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 24/07/2008 01:53:27
#65 Alex Armstrong, Curran can only be shown up as the lying piece of NEW Labour, self serving garbage, that she is, SIMPLE!!!!
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24/07/2008 01:58:58
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Col. Blimp­IV*,

24/07/2008 01:59:02
On AM2's i-Pod...



The English
(Flanders & Swan)

The rottenest bits of these islands of ours
We've left in the hands of three unfriendly powers
Examine the Irishman, Welshman or Scot
You'll find he's a stinker as likely as not

The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest

The Scotsman is mean as we're all well aware
He's boney and blotchy and covered with hair
He eats salty porridge, he works all the day
And hasn't got bishops to show him the way

The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest

The Irishman now our contempt is beneath
He sleeps in his boots and he lies through his teeth
He blows up policemen or so I have heard
And blames it on Cromwell and William the Third

The English are moral the English are good
And clever and modest and misunderstood

The Welshman's dishonest, he cheats when he can
He's little and dark more like monkey than man
He works underground with a lamp on his hat
And sings far too loud, far too often and flat

The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest

And crossing the channel one cannot say much
For the French or the Spanish, the Danish or Dutch
The Germans are German, the Russians are red
And the Greeks and Italians eat garlic in bed

The English are noble, the English are nice
And worth any other at double the price

And all the world over each nation's the same
They've simply no notion of playing the game
They argue with umpires, they cheer when they've won
And they practice before hand which spoils all the fun

The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest

It's not that they're wicked or naturally bad
It's just that they're foreign that makes them so mad
The English are all that a nation should be
And the pride of the English are Chi
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 24/07/2008 01:59:12
I predicted an SNP win by 5%.

Considering this thread, I now predict an SNP loss by 85%.

Is there nothing Unionists will do to keep power?
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Col. Blimp­IV*,

24/07/2008 02:02:07
#82 cont...

It's not that they're wicked or naturally bad
It's just that they're foreign that makes them so mad
The English are all that a nation should be
And the pride of the English are Chipper and me

The English the English the English are best
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest
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bring them on,

24/07/2008 02:05:04
Both parties are losers.

If people cannae make up their minds if you are any good and worth voting for, then the truth is your are not worth voting for.

At least they have been busy for the past couple of weeks, for a change.

Disgrace.
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Col. Blimp­IV*,

24/07/2008 02:12:25
Good Morning Conan

sorry about all that confusion the other night...it seems that an imposter-bot sent me a virus while wearing a conan mask.

It stole my msn password and bombarded me with add's, offers of "free" stuff, stupid surveys and for some strange reason it thought my p e n i s was too small.

Don't open any links that say *****imgchecka.com regardless of where they come from.
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/07/2008 02:18:21
86
I was wondering.

Err... did they get any money;-)
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Col. Blimp­IV*,

24/07/2008 02:24:48
#87

Don't have any left...spent it all on p e n i s extentions 8-
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 24/07/2008 04:13:53
What is clear is that the result will be a narrow win for either the SNP or Labour.

Which-ever way it goes it will be apparent to anyone with a degree of free thought that it is a great result for the SNP and funeral march stuff for Labour, especially Brown.

If Labour narrowly win watch the Labour spin machine (internal and external media outlets - can you tell the difference?) go into overdrive 'SNP crushed', 'vote of confidence for Brown' etc etc. These disengenious reports will ultimately try to wallpaper over the fact that a massive majority has been decimated. Salmond's earthquake will be real if not fully realised.

If the SNP win the Labour party will become utterly, utterly desperate in their negativity and criticism of the SNP. The expose in the Sunday Times revealed the utter contempt Labour have for their fellow Scots who a different vision for their country. Watch for the bile to flow as every single labour MP and MSP realises that they have been rumbled and that the end is nigh.

What a stinking cest-pit of corruption, spin, lies, reverse spin, backflips, double reverse spin, scaremongering, backflip double reverse spin Labour live in.

Democracy and progress itself are the primary victims of the Labour party. How far they have come.

GET RID OF THEM

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Castaway,

24/07/2008 05:05:07
#90-Dougie Douglas: Ref your quote:The expose in the Sunday Times revealed the utter contempt Labour have for their fellow Scots who a different vision for their country.
It seems nothing has changed since Winnie Ewing first arrived at Westminster (1967)and how she was treated in her words "I was treated abominably, and, yes, I am angry about it, even now, 40 years on,"
She says she was treated with inexcusable boorishness and contempt by many Labour MPs: "These people were dross. I would look at the ranks of them in the chamber and think, 'My God, these people are representing Scotland, my country, heaven help us.'"
She did have kind words for Emrys Hughes,Michael Foot,Harold Wilson and the speaker, Horace King. Plus Ted Heath whom she said he was always very helpful, and he gave me useful tips about how the Commons worked. Ted was a true gentleman.
"For the most part it was the backbenchers who treated me so badly," she recalls. "One or two senior people in the Labour Party, like Willie Ross, were also very unpleasant.
http://tinyurl.com/6xqxy9
P.S.And there was this comment(May 2007)by a Scottish constituency MP.
Did not proportional representation give Germany Adolf Hitler? To a lesser degree, we have been given the hon. Member for Banff and Buchan (Mr. Salmond). Can that be a good example?
The same Scottish MP attacked the SNP in Westminster yesterday(May 2007)asking Tony Blair: "Do you share my concern that it [cannabis] can lead to mental health problems? Does he [Mr Blair] know how to grow dope - plant a Scottish nationalist?"
Yes that MP was talking about fellow Scots.
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Traquir , Alba,

24/07/2008 06:10:15
91 Castaway

One more quote from Winnie Ewing which as appropriate
today as it was 40 years ago :

"'If this can happen in Hamilton, it can happen anywhere.' And in the words of Oliver Brown 'A shiver ran along the Scottish Labour benches looking for a spine to run up.''"

see - tinyurl.com/6s644q
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 24/07/2008 06:16:42
Thanks for the link Castaway and Traquir - you beat me to it!:-

If you want action in Scottish politics vote SNP. Nothing has changed in 40 years - Winnie was the catalyst for devolution, May 2007 was the catalyst for new conversations on Sctland's future wether of the SNP inclusive variety or the closed shop of the Calman Commission.

Of course if any Labour supporters would like to argue the contrary maybe they could expand on the 'successes' of the 'FEEBLE FIFTY'

I though not.
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Traquir , Alba,

24/07/2008 06:22:06
I am delighted that the SNP
has timed to perfection the final
image they want the Glasgow East Voter to have in their
head prior to going to polls - a postcard
from Broon and his best Pal Maggie

see - http://tinyurl.com/62qgox

I can just picture it now the welling up
of hatred and absolute betrayal in even
the most staunch Labour supporters.

Never mind the little £140 silverware gift given
to Thatcher, Brown has done something much
more treacherous in sanctioning a State Funeral
for Thatcher rather than vetoing it.

see - tinyurl.com/5rljdt

So how much is Brown's other gift to his
soul mate - well likely at least £4 million
of which Scotland's share is ~£340,000 !!!
This is absolutely nauseating and will
make many Scots sick to the stomach.

see - tinyurl.com/6gtwmy

So Scotland has a reign of Thatcher imposed on
her and she savages the country resulting in
a depth of hatred where her party ends up with 0 MPs.
Now we have to pay to bury her - does not get
much sicker than that.
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 24/07/2008 06:38:24
#94 ‘Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope’ …
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Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 24/07/2008 07:08:14
I wish every voter in Glasgow East could read your post at 94 Traquir.

Alternatively they could be invited to lie on the ground, spread their legs widely, hand Gordon Brown a pair of bovver boots, watch him pace 50 meters down the road, put the boots on and then sprint up to where they are lying and boot them in tadgers full force.

Then they can hobble down to the brew office to find out they aren't getting it anymore.

Some bl00dly thanks from the Labour party for thgose that have backed them (without question) for 50 years.

Shameful stuff.
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izzie,

dundee 24/07/2008 07:08:52
Just watched Newsnight probe into David Marshall expenses Margaret Curran was unnerved refusing to answer whether she had ever been to the MP's constituancy office how have Labour managed to keep this issue from being discusses? I find it scary.
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donald,

glasgow 24/07/2008 07:10:43
The headline says "Big Two", but the caption only shows a photie of one person dressed as a Morris Dancer. Guess the sight of a piper with Liebour was too much even for the Northbritishperson to swallow.
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Andy Stewart,

Kirkaldy 24/07/2008 07:12:23
Interesting poll from political betting.com
They are generally correct

Who do you think will win tomorrow's Glasgow East by election?

Selection Votes
Labour 49% 528
SNP 49% 533
Conservatives 2% 19
Lib Dems 1% 8

1,088 votes total
60

MacGillicuddy,

24/07/2008 07:17:55
#2 AM2

You either really DO not understand OR you choose deliberately NOT to understand the raison d'etre of the SNP.

I joined the SNP expressly for the purpose of working to end the pernicious union which has served nothing but ill for Scotland. Call it breaking up the UK if you wish but that IS going to happen in a very short time now, regardless of what YOUR spurious and speciuos statistics show.

As far as today's by-election is concerned, this is a WIN-WIN today for the SNP.
At best we will take the seat. At worst Liebour will retain it but with the mother and father of majority reductions.

Regardless of the outcome, the people of Glasgow East and of Scotland now have further irrefutable evidence of the absolute corruption endemic in the Liebour Party. That sleaze coupled with the realisation that Liebour has zilch to offer decent ordinary people will be enough to persuade the Scots to break up the UK.
61

Jimmy the Pie,

24/07/2008 07:18:55
You were the only candidate to show dignity and honour.

You deserve to represent the people of Glasgow East.

You won't steal from them like the last MP Marshall.

You won't ignore them.

ALL THE BEST TODAY,

JOHN MASON, SNP Candidate, Glasgow East.
62

MacGillicuddy,

24/07/2008 07:20:35
#98

It is disgraceful, but in no way surprising that this newspaper is showing such obvious bias.
I will have to make sure that no children see this picture as it contains an image so frightening it would give them nightmares.
63

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 24/07/2008 07:23:22
#100

As a tory AM2 should be getting stuck into the labour party rather than the SNP - history will show that the conduct of the labour party in the last 18 months has doen more to split his precious union than any SNP strategy.

Is AM2 blinded by hate?
64

NemarketNDPer,

Taipei, Taiwan 24/07/2008 07:23:40
For reality therapy Curran, Brown, & Labour need a good kick in the pants. Curran, like Brown, is an outspoken supporter of the war for big oil in Iraq - so hold your noses and vote SNP! And remember Glasgow hasn't sold out the Party, rather Labour has sold out the people.
65

carrottop,

Dumfries 24/07/2008 07:31:42
The spitting image characters that support Labour have all been on the telly with the usual intellectual comments such as 'my mum and dad both voted Labour', 'a've always voted for them', 'they are the party that I feel most at home with' etc.
Surely in these days of rapidly advancing high technology a cyber brain to be rapidly fitted to each of these characters is not out of the question.
66

MacGillicuddy,

24/07/2008 07:39:31
#103 Dougie

I rather think he is.
67

Owain Glyndwr,

Caerdydd 24/07/2008 07:40:29
Every success to the SNP today.

Scotland and Wales are showing that shower at Westminster how to run a government properly.

Every vote for the SNP and Plaid Cymru is a vote for a new future and a nail in the coffin of the discredited Westminster model.

Pob Llwyddiant i'r SNP
68

Geoff,

sa 24/07/2008 08:00:44
Colonel Blimp and Conan the Librarian-good morning to you two comedians! Whoever wins in Glasgow East today lets hope the locals get somebody who doesnt lose interest in them the following day after the election! Everything is relative-The Mercury-our morning Durban newspaper reports inter alia that the head of the ANC youth league says Jacob Zuma will be President of SA even if he goes to prison and wears an orange overall-this with the usual murders, strikes and other marxist rhetoric. You think YOU guys have got troubles. We would love to have Gordon Brown,Alex salmond,Nick Clegg-in fact any one of them would do. Labour dont deserve this one but I would probably vote for them today as a bigger prize is at stake!!
Have a happy day!
PS 82 Blimp-to the tune of the Protestant Boys? I can hear it!
69

Chris W,

24/07/2008 08:12:44
To all those people in Glasgow East who say they are not interested: "Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you." - Pericles (430 B.C.)
Domestic fuel tax, petrol tax, food prices, higher VED, ID cards ... wake up people. If you don't want to live in a democracy why don't you emigrate to North Korea?
70

Phil C,

24/07/2008 08:15:39
Whatever happens today, nobody on the SNP side should be disheartened. The media have built this pokey wee by-election into something it isn't.

It's highly inlikely that Labour will lose today's election. This is a cast-iron Labour seat. If Labour win then it means nothing. If the SNP get within 5,000 votes, it will be a major triumph. There are probably far too many dimwits in Glasgow East to cause an upset-people who think through their narrow-minded backsides and don't give have the courage to contemplate a better and brighter future for Scotland. These people are blinded by history and the cowardly fear bred by their unionist representatives. They refuse to look forward and see the better world that so many in the SNP can see.

This stereotype of a gutless Scottish voter still seems to be in the (diminishing) majority throughout Scotland so the chances of a breakthrough here are about zilch. The gentle persuasion must continue without a blip, whatever the result to today's irrelevant fiasco to replace yet another shamed, dodgy, self-seeking Labour politician.
71

tartan army 2222,

24/07/2008 08:17:36
AM2 is of course a “hardline” nationalist (a Brit-Nat).

His only reason for even being on these sites to keep Britain.

His fellow posters are rightly appalled by this narrow–minded focus.

He’s a single issue poster – and he certainly doesn't serve the cause of the union because he turns people away with his incessant linking and failure to answer questions.

Keep it up AM2.
72

An Beal Bacht,

24/07/2008 08:21:57
Whoa there - was that a tremor - is the ground shifting?
73

tog,

Edinburgh 24/07/2008 08:24:59
If the SNP lose today it will be because they picked the wrong candidate. Mr Mason would have been okay for a general election but as a candidate for a high profile by election he was the wrong choice. Alex Salmond's constant presence in the constituency has diminished him further. Curran has been a predictably strong candidate and I am sure the Conservative and Lib Dem candidates will end up in one of the two Parliaments. On Friday though it will be back to the council for Mr Mason your fifteen minutes of fame are over.
74

The Honest Lad,

Musselburgh 24/07/2008 08:27:51
Whatever way you vote the articles comments about voters apathy is disapointing and says it all about politics. However in my opinion you should always cast your vote in a democratic society considering that people are dying accross the globe for the right to vote.
75

An Beal Bacht,

24/07/2008 08:32:49
Mason is exactly the kind of candidate that will resonate with the voters of GE. Aye - that rumbling you feel is the seismic shift that will bury noo-labour.
76

tartan army 2222,

24/07/2008 08:38:21
I've been out canvassing recently and the feeling was certainly pro-SNP (but not overly so). I'm confident (especially if the rumour about the SNP winning the postals is true).

Just think back to recent Scottish by-elections. There was no real thought that Labour would lose and they lost one and were run very close on two. This time they're talking about a Labour defeat. Fingers crossed.
77

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging around 24/07/2008 08:42:07
Whatever happens today, the SNP can take great heart from the result. They are fighting in a seat with almost 2/3 voting Labour last time (who bothered to turn out). Here’s my take on the possible results:

Result 1 – Labour win with a large majority (over 5,000) – Labour will say the Fair Fortnight had an effect on their vote and they ought to have had 12-15,000. SNP will say they have given Labour a bloody nose in a very safe seat.

Result 2 – Labour win with a small majority - they will say it is a mid-term protest vote and pretty much irrelevant. SNP will state that “no Scottish Westminster seat is now unwinnable by us”

Result 3 – SNP win with narrow majority – Labour response as per 2 above but with a “we’ll win it back at the next General Election”. SNP will claim “This is now a safe SNP seat – we’ll do our best to hold it for the next 50 years” (or some such term)

Result 4 – SNP win with large (5,000 plus) majority – Labour will claim mixture of factors from 1 and 2 and try to carry on from there. SNP will claim that the time for independence is now closer than it ever was before and that 2010 will be a critical year for Scotland in terms of both a General Election and a referendum (which it wil be).

I think there will be a similar turnout to last time (under 50%) and that Labour will hold with a much decreased majority – scenario 2 – but will have taken such a pounding that they will have to do something serious about Glasgow East before the GE in 2009/10… which might just be too short a timescale for action.

Personally, I think it is a disgrace that Glasgow East has suffered under a Labour MP for so long and is so run down. Regeneration of the area is essential for the well-being of the people. The former MP’s apparent mis-handling of his expenses is also a disgrace. Many of those in Westminster are Honourable Members in name only, it seems!
78

Phil C,

24/07/2008 08:43:16
#113 tog

Nonsense. If the SNP lose today it will be because this is a gold-plated, cast-iron Labour seat! The Labour media want something to crow about, so they built up this circus. Salmond has bravely entered the lion's den. I hope he gets some reward.

Certainly for Labour to win any election in Scotland at the moment should be a huge slur on the voters, because unfortunately the rest of the country gets tainted by association.

Based on competance, performance, honesty, and any other relevant measure, Labour should get zero votes! Better even the Tories and Liberals if they want unionist representation. Can't do that though, too closed-minded.

If Labour win today, the Glasgow East voters should be ashamed of themselves. The fact they won't be speaks for itself.

79

An Beal Bacht,

24/07/2008 08:50:04
As an SNP supporter can I say that I hope the SSP do well. Let's not lose our socialist roots. A vote for the guid Curran is a vote for Scotland's future. Eye on the prize !
80

Jung,

24/07/2008 08:55:57
EVERY vote cast today for the Labour Party condones the "retiring" MPs financial sleaze.
Every vote cast today for the Labour Party condones its killing sprees in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Every vote cast today for the Labour Party condones its wilful attack on the poorest and most vulnerable in our society.

Every vote cast today for the Labour Party condones the dodgy dealings of Wendy Alexander.

Every vote cast today for the Labour Party condones its approval for the "snouts in the trough" policy of its MPs.
81

eric,

24/07/2008 09:04:38
Remember voters >LABOUR tried to block green issues yesterday!
82

AM2,

Scotland,UK 24/07/2008 09:07:16
#119 An Beal Bacht

If you have “socialist roots” why are you a nationalist?

I would remind you of the words of the SNP's Jim Mather, who said that “any notion that an independent Scotland would be a left-wing country is delusional nonsense”.
83

AM2,

Scotland,UK 24/07/2008 09:17:11
#82 Col Blimp

That Flanders and Swann song isn't called "The English". Never has been. It's called "A Song of Patriotic Prejudice".

That puts a slightly different slant on it, doesn't it?

Did you change the title in order to misrepresent its intent, or did you take it from an unreliable source?

Incidentally, Donald Swann was born in Wales.
84

bluehead,

edinburgh 24/07/2008 09:19:45
even if labour won they would still lose,it s the majority that is the name of the game,!!!!!
85

Alastair the First,

24/07/2008 09:20:56
12: It's not the Scottish Nationalist Party, it's the Scottish National Party. Meaning as in the National Party of Scotland.
86

Jung,

24/07/2008 09:21:44
#119

AM2 is clearly trying to ensnare you by getting you to link nationalism and socialism.
Nationalism linked with socialism actually says more about AM2's take on life.
87

Phil C,

24/07/2008 09:23:34
#122

The SNP is a mix of many ideals with one common cause- the renewal of the birthright of every citizen to live in their own country and decide their own future. If you're the old Irish AM2, even you could even fit in and feel comfortable if you would take that daft bowler hat off!

Sometimes the old fashioned Socialist element of the SNP have too much to say for themselves and think they hold the moral high ground for some reason. I prefer to see the SNP as a socialist (Not SSP or Labour) liberal (not Liberal) mix with conservative (not Tory) tendencies, with open-minded fairness and progress as guiding lights (not self seeking political gratification).
88

AM2,

Scotland,UK 24/07/2008 09:25:49
#111 tartan army 2222

Twisting my words about John Mason in an attempt to apply them to me may make you feel clever, but the words simply don’t fit.

In particular, your description of me as a “Brit-Nat” is utterly misguided.

For the record, I reject nationalism in all its forms. It’s a philosophy at whose heart, in varying degrees, is a them-and-us, “my country above all others” philosophy which, although not inherently xenophobic or racist, often chimes with people who hold such views.

By contrast, the United Kingdom represents a voluntary sharing of sovereignty between its four constituent countries. Personally, I like the whole nature of that arrangement. I consider the voluntary relinquishment of autonomy to create a nation that by its very nature is multi-ethnic and multi-cultural to be truly inspirational.

The same applies, to a lesser extent due to its supra-state structure, to the European Union.

Unionists are proud to be both British and Scottish, English, Welsh or N.Irish. We see no contradiction in being both, or even some nuanced combination of more than two of those.

Speaking personally, I like my multi-faceted identity. Seeing the saltire, union flag and indeed the EU stars fluttering side-by-side is a potent symbol of the “anti-nationalism” inherent in the union ideal.
89

AM2,

Scotland,UK 24/07/2008 09:27:13
#126 Jung

Eh? He described himself as having “socialist roots”.
90

AM2,

Scotland,UK 24/07/2008 09:31:06
#103 Dougie Douglas

You ask: "Is AM2 blinded by hate?"

That's truly bizarre question. I am opposed to the gradualist and hence populist machinations of the SNP, all of which are focused on the one narrow goal and which I regard as damaging to Scotland's interests.

But for you to suggest that I hate anyone, or anything, simply indicates that you miss the whole point of my posts quite spectacularly.
91

Gordieboy,

Musselburgh 24/07/2008 09:31:50
I've always quite liked the Flanders and Swann song, actually - not all us 'Nats' are minus a sense of humour!

AM2: the point that Scotland 'would not be' a left-wing country is surely simple commonsense...? No country in the developed world could be called genuinely left-wing, with the possible exception of Finland. However I do honestly believe that an independent Scotland would be MORE left-wing than it is at present, with the SNP helping to set a broadly Social Democrat agenda. So whilst Mather's comments may be accurate, it is nonetheless possible to reconcile them to a vision of a centre-left Scotland. For many of us, this takes on added resonance given New Labour's increasingly desperate and transparent lurches to the right as it tries to remain electable in the eyes of Middle England.
92

jacquesmac,

24/07/2008 09:33:44
112 An Beal Bacht,24/07/2008 08:21:57
Whoa there - was that a tremor - is the ground shifting?

It is the collective quiver of colonic sphincters of Slab and ZaNuLab.
93

subrosa,

24/07/2008 09:35:08
#113

I disagree. The presence of Alex Salmond in Glasgow east has shown the people there than some do care enough - even though some may think him smug, arrogant etc. To support his candidate is honourable. Few gave support to Ms Curran who has had to rely on bus loads of English supporters and others creeping in like ships in the night.

Just goes to show how differently the SNP behave compared with labour.

I wish the SNP all the best for today and know they have made wonderful inroads into such a labour strongho