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Glasgow East by-election: Prime Minister Brown dismisses leadership speculation

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Published Date: 25 July 2008
GORDON Brown brushed off the threat of a leadership challenge today after the disastrous defeat of Labour in the Glasgow East by-election.
The Prime Minister insisted that he was simply "getting on with the job" after seeing Labour's third safest seat in Scotland fall to the Scottish National Party
with a massive 22% swing.

He said during a visit to the West Midlands: "My full focus is on taking people through these difficult times."

Mr Brown insisted that the Government was addressing public concerns about rising fuel and food prices.

"I know that people look to the Government to take the action that is necessary," he said.

"We are looking at everything we can so that, in what is a global problem, we can in Britain help people through these difficult times," he said.

The Prime Minister brushed aside a call by Tory leader David Cameron for him to go to the country and call a general election.

"I think my task is to get on with the job of taking us through these difficult economic times," he said.

He was equally dismissive of the prospect of a leadership challenge, saying: "I'm getting on with the job".

Nantwich by-election, its fifth place at Henley on Thames and its drubbing in the May local council elections, it was now clear that the country was fed up with the Government.

"I think the Prime Minister should have his holiday, but then I think we need an election. I think we need change in this country, and that's how change should come about," he said.

SNP deputy leader Nicola Sturgeon said that the result in Glasgow East – where a 13,507 Labour majority was wiped out – had been a "catastrophe" for Mr Brown.

"There is no doubt that Gordon Brown and Labour are deeply, deeply unpopular," she told BBC Radio Scotland's Good Morning Scotland.

Manchester Blackley MP Graham Stringer said that it was now up to members of the Cabinet to tell Mr Brown that the Government could not carry on as it is.

If necessary, he said, Cabinet ministers should be prepared to force the issue by standing against the Prime Minister in a leadership contest.

"It really requires members of the Cabinet to have a closed and honest discussion with Gordon Brown," he said.

"We need a new start and that can only come from a debate around the leadership. I hope those discussions will take place.

"It really is a question of whether the Labour Party has the will to win the next general election."

Mr Brown can expect some political breathing space with MPs dispersed for the long summer recess.

However, the focus will now shift to the party's annual conference in Manchester at the end of September where MPs and activists will assess the fallout from Mr Brown's string of electoral disasters.



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eric,

Lothian 25/07/2008 10:03:26
Cant have little Scots dictating what Londons nxt move is!
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Alan B,

25/07/2008 10:08:25
Democracy is about having the concent of the people you lead. By not having an election after taking over brown did not seek that concept. By his incompetence as leader he has lost any goodwill and the implicit concent that gives a political party and its leader.

Brown hanging on to the bitter end is bad for britain and bad for democracy.
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Palermo,

25/07/2008 10:10:21
Margaret Curran said continually throughout "this is not about the SNP, it's not about hardline nationalism, people don't want that"

Glad you're not an MP today Mags

You and your red ilk have NEGLECTED your "back yard" for a hundred years, taken them for granted.

You're fired
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 10:16:27
Independence here we come !
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Calum10,

25/07/2008 10:18:45
There was another result last night, the Scotsman also lost this by-election.

The editors and journalists of the Scotsman got this by-election all wrong. They got the issues wrong, their slanted and partisan reporting failed their readership and they called the actual result wrong.

Not only must Gordon Brown and the Labour party have to listen and learn, so too must the Scotsman. Their outright hostility to the SNP is completely out of touch with that of their readership.
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Phil the Flooter,

25/07/2008 10:21:02
"My full focus is on taking people through these difficult times."


Will this idiot never go?

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Here Today HBOS Tomorrow,

25/07/2008 10:21:51
Given the "success" of Labour run administrations in the West of Scotland for the last "few" years it comes as no shock that they were finally booted out in yet another by-election. I am only surprised it took the people of Glasgow so long to start kicking them out.

As for comments regarding the Blair-Brown transition, sadly Brown was never going to be liked he is after all Scottish and that is not so welcome these days down South. Add to that the fact that his economic "vision" has now come back to haunt him then is should come as no surprise that the entire UK is now against him. Sadly his vision was nothing other than to copy the Tories and then more, we saw what happened last time. The sooner we return to sensible economics which encourages enterprise but not excess (i.e. the City) the better. However as yet no Government seems capable of reigning in these non-dom Animals who contribute zilch to the long term economy.
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JulesF,

25/07/2008 10:22:51
Meanwhile, back in Rome, Nero placed an order for a new fiddle !
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geekpie,

forfar 25/07/2008 10:27:30
Alex Salmand frequently referred to the price of petrol in the campaign which was both populist, irresponsible and below the belt.

He knows as well as the next man that, as the RAC Foundation pointed out last month, the cost of motoring has fallen by 18% in real terms over the past 20 years, which is why there are far too many cars and far too many people organising their lives around excessive car mileage.

Irresponsible from the SNP.
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C U Jimmy,

Mauchline 25/07/2008 10:27:41
Keep Gordon brown, he's Scotland's best asset.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 25/07/2008 10:33:14
#13 Below whose belt?
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Matt there,

Somewhere 25/07/2008 10:36:02
Gordon Brown is not disliked in England (or Wales for that matter) because he is from Scotland.

He is disliked because he is Gordon Brown.
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Venachar,

25/07/2008 10:37:54
Balloons the lot of them!
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the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 25/07/2008 10:48:10
Can anyone tell me just job what Bean thinks he is "getting on with" ?

Getting on with the Unions - Fail
Getting on with the armed forces - Fail
Getting on with public sector - Fail
Getting on with running the economy - Fail
Getting on with the electorate - Fail

The Labour party do not see the pattern emerging here, (for that matter neither does the Hootsman).

This morning they are twittering on about learning lessons and moving forward.

Now correct me if I am wrong but they have had years to learn these lessons, why will it be different this time ?

If labour is moving forward, the message is clear......... the voters do not want to go with them.

New Labour is dead. A failed party with a failed agenda.

Died 25 Jul 2008 in Glasgow East
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xtc,

25/07/2008 10:48:32
Thank god for democracy.
Well done to the people of Glasgow for doing what the rest of Britain should be doing.
Now, Salmond let`s see what you WILL DO for these people.
A politician who will keep his promises!!
Don`t let these people down. They deserve much better than they`ve had in the past!There are millions of people watching you.Get on with it..
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steve52,

Kinfauns 25/07/2008 10:54:05
#13....My wallet cannot agree with what you say. I note that you made no mention of the irresponsible comments and down right lies spouted by Labour these past few weeks...That makes you irresponsible.

#10 Well said and very true.
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Liz,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 11:08:33
#10
"As for comments regarding the Blair-Brown transition, sadly Brown was never going to be liked he is after all Scottish and that is not so welcome these days down South. "

Well given his fellow countrymen seem to hate him there is no point having a dig about those in "down South" hating him too.
No one hates Brown because he is Scottish, they hate him because he has b8lloxed up our (the UK) economy and people are finally getting the message that NuLabour were all bluff and show, and we are all going to be paying for their mismanagement for years to come.
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Liz,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 11:10:14
I personally think that this result was more a case of people wanting to stick two fingers up to our current government than any real desire for independence.
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Rabbies Wee Bruthir,

25/07/2008 11:10:59
Broon's dilemma, sit tight and hope Cameron fatally shoots himself in the foot, Nick Clegg still stays as the invisible man, Salmond takes to drinking and abusing passersby when he's full o' Grahams Black Bottle or whatever.

Or he does the honourable thing and either resigns, or holds an election now, or the third way 'keeps his heid under the parapet'.

I'd plump fur him followin the 'third way' efter aw is that no whit Nu Labour/Owld Torie wur supposed tae be aboot...'The Third Way'!!!!!

Seeing all this unfolding in front of me, I just can't get the images from the Beatles 'Yellow Submarine' out my mind, y'know the bit where they are singing 'Nowhere Man' and the caricature is almost prophetic as the 'nowhere man' does look a wee bit like GB, and honest a didnae huv to much Grahams Black Bottle last night/early morning to celebrate ;-))
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An Beal Bacht,

25/07/2008 11:17:00
A wee tune in celebration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqkI3oUDe1I
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 25/07/2008 11:20:23
I agree with 23 . The first of the big energy rises is announced today by EDF . I smell a rat in the timing . Labour interference ??
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stefano,

Birmingham 25/07/2008 11:29:05
#20, ho ho ho.

If you think Salmond is any different from most of his peers, you're in for a wee shock.

And as for the political dead-end that is nationalism, those celebrating this morning should think what the signals are for progressives and particularly those who support a woman's right to choose that a candidate and party prepared to wh0re itself for the support of medievalists in the Catholic Church has won.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

25/07/2008 11:31:34
Congratulations to the SNP from England! WooHoo!!

We're on our way to Independence from you, Thanks :-)

No rancour intended . . .
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An Beal Bacht,

25/07/2008 11:34:41
27 stefano, a "progressive" fae Birmingham on 25/07/2008 at 11:29:05 wrote:

MWAAAAH !
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mcmadmanreturns,

Saor Alna 25/07/2008 11:36:19
#12

He's away greetin in the editors room at the hootsman. don't encourage him to return - if you disagree with him he deletes your posts and blocks your sign in, hence i have had to change this. He's a wee sulker.
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roughrider,

Glasgow 25/07/2008 11:38:01
A cracker from Desperate Browne.
"People reluctantly did not vote for Magrat.
What a pwick.
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 11:43:23
This is the clearest indication yet that the country DOES NOT WANT THIS GOVERNMENT TO CONTINUE IN POWER.

If democracy meant anything to Brown and stupid labour, he would call a general election immediately. Whether he steps down as stupid labour leader is a matter for him and the stupid labour party. I couldn't care less either way---in fact it would be better for me if he stayed, because that would ensure that stupid labour remain un-electable.

He should certainly go to the country on the strength of this.
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Number 6,

Germany 25/07/2008 12:00:11
Isn't life wonderful sometimes, and we've still got the weekend to come. Fantastic to see Maggie Brown is digging in for the long haul . The longer his miserable resented puss is fronting Labour, we can expect more
"Off the richter scale" results North of the Border .

Next up Joke McConnel's seat . Comedy provided by the
Scottish enclave's leadership contest.

Will "Big Margrit" hang around in Glasgow East, or will she slither back to her Southside Mansion, only to reappear, with a new hairdo, for the "Leadership Contest"? lol lol.
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Andy79,

York 25/07/2008 12:11:03
I must say this is the best news I've had all year.

Labour get a kicking - meaning a new general election is hopefully on it's way (no matter what Brown might say).

Scotland moves closer to independence and I, as an Englishman couldn't be happier! Less tax to pay and no more Scottish MPs forcing the rest of the UK to accept policies that won't apply in Scotland (cf Foundation Hospitals). As much as I like Scotland and the Scots, it's about time we English regained control of our own political destiny from the Scottish mafia currently making such a mess of things...

Here's hoping that all Scots follow Glasgow East's lead and vote for independence!
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mcmadmanreturns,

Saor Alba 25/07/2008 12:12:36
#35

Scottish Mafia ? Last time I looked there were only 3 Scottish cabinet ministers - Alistair Darling is English (London).
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eddy barns,

Alexander Armstrong Appreciation Society 25/07/2008 12:13:32
The Scottish Pravda is in terminal decline, much like its favoured Labour Party.

Alex Salmond is wearing my wife's knickers.
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The Honest Lad,

Musselburgh 25/07/2008 12:15:03
Does nayone know what the SNP's and an Independent Scotlands plan would be to reduce fuel prices and food pricves or would we still just keep paying the same. The money for new roads, schools, hospitals is got to come from somewhere. Would all Scotlands oil reduce the price at the pump, meaning less tax to put towards services.
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eddy barns,

25/07/2008 12:25:00
THL,

Salmond is delighted that the oil price is high.

If his deluded fantasy of independence ever came true the fiscal cut from high oil prices would be much greater.
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guru,

The English are coming 25/07/2008 12:25:21
The result is interesting when contrasted with the record immigration figures of people moving to Scotland reported on the BBC.. Where are all these people coming from ?
England.. so what does this mean ? rising support for the SNP and record migration from the English into Scotland ?
Does the SNP success mean that more English people want to come here or is there no connection whatsoever ?
Will greater success mean even more English people want to move here ?
Is the SNP dividend a "watering down" of Scottish culture by English culture ?
Who knows for sure !
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John S,

25/07/2008 12:27:54
I think Gordon Brown's possible failure is never having sought a public mandate for holding the position of Prime Minister in the first place
Also a problem with Gordon Brown is his dislike of voting contests, he didn't stand for the Labour Party leadership in 1994 because of the rumoured pact with Tony Blair.
He made sure his take over from Tony was unopposed.
He broke the 2005 Labour manifesto on the EU referendum.
He got cold feet and didn't hold a Autumn 2007 general election.
Gordon Brown has never led his party into any national electoral contest, and does not like the thought of it.
Hence his excuse not to visit Glasgow East during the by-election,this would have thrust him into a electoral contest even though this was a by-election.
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Rob7,

England 25/07/2008 12:34:11
#17, I hate GB BECAUSE he is Scottish, and because he is our leader and cause I want INDEPENDENCE
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tomfrom66,

Thornton Cleveleys 25/07/2008 12:36:19
Captain of Titanic to engine room:

"Full speed ahead"
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Number 6,

Germany 25/07/2008 12:43:45
#43 Why don't you form an English independence party ?.
After all, once were gone, you will still be lumbered with Wales and Norn'Ireland. lol lol.
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Andy79,

York 25/07/2008 12:48:56
#46 Interestingly as Scotland and England first became united when a Scottish King ascended to the English throne, arguably England would need to declare Independence from Scotland...not that I'm particularly bothered how it works legally, as long as it happens.

Whilst I have great affection for my friends north of the border, I don't see why they should be dictating political policy in England (cf NHS reform, tuition fees etc) and equally I have no interest in dictating to the Scots what they should do in their own country (it's none of my business).

I can't see why we can't just go down the route Czechoslovakia did and have a civilised "velvet divorce".
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Aesop,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 12:58:34
It's about time New Labour had an Englishman in charge. Just to show that they are equally incompetent and equally hostile to the interests of Scotland.
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Tyrone Shoulders 2nd version,

25/07/2008 13:01:41
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Get me off that stoopid list. I'm not a unionist.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 25/07/2008 13:03:04
So here's a question - who's going to stand for the Scottish leadership of Labour now? The hot gossip says that Andy Kerr doesn't want the poisoned chalice and won't run. Curran surely can't now, as the woman who lost Glasgow East - Salmond would make mincemeat of such a lame duck. Iain Gray will probably never recover from his evisceration by Gordon Brewer on Newsnicht and would similarly crumble under pressure from Salmond.

Which seems to leave Cathy Jamieson as Labour's next leader in Scotland by default. The FM must think every day is his birthday at the moment...
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Andy79,

York 25/07/2008 13:03:31
#47 Funnily enough, there is one, it just doesn't get much press - did do quite well in parts of NE England, I think that people around here are beginning to realise that they are getting around £1000 less in state spending per person every year, in comparison with our friends North of the Border. Funnily enough they're not too happy about this....it may be why Brown is looking again at the Barnett Funding formula, I don't think he wants to lose a second Labour Heartland in the NE.
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Paddy Power,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 13:05:21
Come on Scotland, this isn't a vote for SNP and Independence but a vote against the present Government. I agree that Brown has lost all credibility but do you really believe Salmond will be any better?
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danbob,

England 25/07/2008 13:07:38
Although by-election results can be dodgy to say the least theres no denying that for a constituancy like Glasgow east, this is sismic. Labour has sold it's soul to the middle classes, and their latest daft idea to make the unemployed litter pick must have gone down like a led balloon in Glasgow east, and rightly so. It's not just Brown that's had his day the whole new labour experiment is dead it's just refusing to lie down. It's obvious that the UK is now splitting. There is no mood in Scotland for another bout of Tory rule. Time now to think about the coming years. If Scotland wants independence then let it be amicable for everybody in the UKs sake.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 25/07/2008 13:13:40
#55 "Will be"?

The SNP have been in power in Scotland for over a year now, and people are liking what they see. To call it a "protest vote" is ludicrous - in Scotland, the SNP are the GOVERNMENT.
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Number 6,

25/07/2008 13:22:49
#55 That's right ., no matter how well the SNP have done so far, they can never be better than Labour or the Tories. What a brilliant unionista argument. The kind of factious claptrap that will lead to Scotland's independence . Keep it going patrick.

#56 Oh you WILL miss us , make no mistake. For starters, without our finest bunch of village idiots, who are you going to get to run your country for you.

I doubt the Welsh or the Irish are prepared to export their lunatics , they need them for the tourists. Make no mistake, once the union goes, you are looking at the first muslim state in the West. And just as you did not see the Scottish Labour Mafia approach and take over, you won't see them until it is too late.

Think about it.
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Nevsky,

Moscow 25/07/2008 13:34:15
53:

There are many reasons why this figure is higher such as the rural population in Scotland and i am not surprised that the English are angry.

But don't forget that we are quite angry too as Scotland is in surplus of £4 billion but the money is in westminster and not in scotland!

So Scotland goes from a surplus of £4 billion to zero thanks to Westminster not to mention Norways £200 billion pound piggy bank..Scotland £0.
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Mullamoo,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 13:34:34
Number 56, the Irish don't like you, they already gave you the boot.
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GM,

25/07/2008 13:36:39
Just had to add comments to AM2 and the rest of the (unbelievably quiet) unionist contributors ---

I understand why you are all so quiet. This result you felt just might have slipped your way and I can imagine how that would have been spun as a 'rejection' of the SNP.
It was close, and with the full support of the media in scotland, even I thought labour would edge it, but alas no. The glorious SNP just seem to go from strength to strength and it now looks like no seat is safe for Labour.

It all has shades of May 2007 doesn't it?
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Andy79,

York 25/07/2008 13:40:08
#58, You have a good point, so far Alex Salmond's government has put in the strongest performance of all the "governments" in the UK. Even if it's with a hefty subsidy from England (which is where Scotland gets the money to pay for no university tuition fees and better healthcare).

#51 we're certainly paying the price for all that "dictating" - current government figures for public spending in the UK are:

Current spending per person
England £7,121
Scotland £8,623
Wales £8,139
Northern Ireland £9,385

Scotland gets over £1500 more per head than England at the moment - for a country with around 5 million people, compared to England's 50 million. Here in the North East, where there is as much grinding poverty as parts of Scotland, people are beginning to ask themselves what the benefits of the Union actually are? To be honest - whilst I'm proud to be British, I struggle to think of any on this side of the border...at least at the moment.
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Montford's Jaicket,

25/07/2008 13:46:49
#9 Phil the Flooter,
When he said "My full focus is on taking people through these difficult times.", the "people" in question were, without doubt, those who 1) currently carry the letters "MP" after their name and 2) are members of the Labour Party. I don't think anyone anywhere still believes that Brown & co give a hoot for what the "people" of the country actually want - Labour voters or no. Survival is a very basic instinct and it has kicked in at all levels in the Labour Party. I think the phrase "de'il tak the hindmost" is appropriate!
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Mullamoo,

25/07/2008 13:52:51
Post 64:
Thatcher used revenue from Scottish oil to fund her war. She brought misery to thousands of people in Northern Ireland and also publicly supports fascist dictators. She introduced the poll tax (in Scotland first to test it before introducing it in England).
Feel free to elect someone just like her after we get independence...which I hope is VERY VERY SOON!!!
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 25/07/2008 13:55:16
#63 Hold on tight to the fantasy of Scotland's "subsidy" by England. You'll need it to keep you warm when we're gone. Meanwhile, check out "Truth, Lies, Oil and Scotland" on BBC iPlayer, which should still be available at time of writing. It'll furnish you with some handy facts.
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mcmadmanreturns,

Saor Alba 25/07/2008 14:06:07
#67

Indeed. One could also point out that crossrail and tube refurbishment in London alone amounts to over £30bn expenditure in one city, and is not far short of the entire annual budget of Scotland.
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Jehovah,

25/07/2008 14:08:05
The trouble we have at the moment is that the Labour Party has forgotten what it was founded for, and the SNP will pander to any populist agenda that they think might win a few votes.

Oh for a political party with some principles.
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hereward the awake,

England 25/07/2008 14:12:00
"I,m getting on with the job" G.Brown .
What a wonderful and varied repetoire of sound bites
Gordon has after every disaster!.
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Alan B,

25/07/2008 14:12:58
#Andy79

You say England subsidise scotland but why then have the english establishment been so determined to hold onto scotland.

I agree with you that the north of england get a bad deal. One point about your stats on public spending London gets a higher spending that both the rest of england and scotland. Also until the snp were elected this year and exposed the practise some english expenditure had been classed as scottish.

There is also expenditure that is classed as british that is english only. some of the spending to london is classified in this way.

When looking for deficits and who subsidises who you must look at revenue raised against spending.

Couple of stats to throw your way.

In the mid 90s the snp asked the then tory treasure about scotland financial position regarding the uk and the answer was that scotland had subsidised the rest of the uk to the tune of £27billion over a period from about 79-95. Remeber this was westminster treasury figures not snp figures which would have had the figures higher.

In the mid 70s labour government commissioned a report into scotlands economy based on the oil. The mcrone report talked of scotland being one of the richest countries in the world and having embarrassing surpluses. The barnett formula that u mention that apparently gives scotland a higher public spending per head was actually to prevent scotland walking away with the oil renevues. There were quite afew leaked civil services and government officials talking about the dire consequences for england if scotland should walk out.

But looking at the current situation. A fincial investigation by grant thornton accountancy has said scotland would have surpluses of about £4.4billion based on 82.5% oil and £6billion based on 95% oil.

The other issue for england regarding scotlands independence is its world standing and scotland contribution to share expenditure. Scotland make up a higher proportion of the armed services. What would be the
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Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 14:30:43
So there we have it then. Skimming through these comments, not one of them expresses support for stupid labour.

Therefore they should go to the country.
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Paula,

25/07/2008 14:38:19
Is the leaving Glasgow East MP having to pay back the £500,000 he swindled? Or does he get to keep that because he is "clinically depressed."

I guess being a thief for that amount and having your hands well in the till would leave you a little down.
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Paula,

25/07/2008 14:38:51
#82 That would be a Labour voter having a meltdown.
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Andy79,

York 25/07/2008 14:45:28
#71 Well, I work in the Oil industry as a consultant geologist (after 25 yrs in the industry)and I can assure you that the grant thornton estimates are generally considered to be taking a very optimistic view of North Sea Oil Reserves and their future revenue potential. Absolutely right to suggest that during the early 80s, Britain did very well out of North Sea Oil, however this oil is either running out, or in areas which make it uneconomical in the long-term.

The short version is that I think, purely on future Oil and Gas revenues, the SNP is not really being honest about the revenue shortfall if Scotland became independent.

I understand the point about London being relatively well funded (although don't forget that the population of London and SE England is more than the population of Scotland/NIreland/Wales combined). But here in the NE, the funding is much less (over £2000 less per head than in Scotland).

I don't really understand the comment about the English Establishment wanting to keep control of Scotland - although I agree there is some sentimentality about keeping the UK intact.

What I'd like to see is a proper, thorough analysis of the costs and benefits of the Union between Scotland and England. I think that the debate should be driven by cold analysis, rather than racist/xenophobic rhetoric.

I think the average Scot would be shocked and (depending on which side of the independence debate they are on) please/displeased by the number of Englishmen/women who would support a break up of the Union. And not just amongst the little englander crowd that you might expect...
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eiso,

25/07/2008 14:58:24
#188 Really, there's no need for us to argue , we agree , we can't wait to be rid of you and the rest of the daily mail reading population.


ta ta
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 15:34:19
What a lot of comments have been removed. I suppose they were the pro-SNP ones. Is the Scotsman funded by Labour, or does it actually believe all the stuff Labour churns out?
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Traquir , Alba,

25/07/2008 15:54:56

There was I wondering if Cairns could get any
slimier then along comes a video if you can stomach it which proves yes indeed he can
(fast forward to the end pass Browne)

see - tinyurl.com/55glgb

Wait for this his latest excuse as the campaign manager
for losing the election was that the campaign at three
weeks was too short especially given they screwed
up and lost 4 days via their own incompetence :)
This despite the fact that
he deliberately shortened it himself to try and steal
the election - have these people no shame ?

"Polling day has been deliberately placed during the summer holidays - Scottish schools have already broken up. It is also midway through the Glasgow fair holiday, when the city traditionally empties and the more politically volatile C2 demographic - backbone of many a byelection swing - are safely away on vacation."

"Today, humiliatingly, Labour's view is that the fewer people who vote, the better. Glasgow East - like Brown's premiership - is now entirely about survival."

see - tinyurl.com/66cr87

Labour's only really shock here is that despite all of
their attempts at manipulation they still lost - they
no doubt will now have to ramp up being
even more underhand and manipulative. They
are so dim they don't realize that this modus operandi
no longer works :)
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Steafan,

25/07/2008 16:20:12
The thing is, Andy79#53, if the people of the North-East of England are, as you say, not so happy at "Scotland's" share of public spending as per the Barnett Formula, then they should look at how much "England" gets before moaning.

You see, the thing is, you seem to have this idea that "Scotland" is a "region" in the same way that the "North-East" of England is a region. Of course you are wrong, and so you are not comparing like-for-like when looking at public spending. If you want to compare like-for-like, why not compare public spending per head between The Borders of Scotland, and The North-East of England. I haven't myself, so let me know how that turns out.
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Brian M,

Edinburgh 25/07/2008 16:46:34
Broon the Buffoon is never "Prime Minister" material.

Okay Buffoon is/was/seemed a great economic/financial expert, but that is it.

Labour are on a loser in the next general election if they keep him as their leader. But Labour are probably on a loser anyway, no matter their leader.
They might win a few more seats in opposition if Brown stepped down.
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lulach mac gille coemgain,

25/07/2008 16:50:24
You can fool the people some of the time ! comes to mind

Next we’ll have to apply - ‘ If you can’t beat them join them ’ to the Scotsman or maybee like the Labour Party it supports and propogates - Cheerio ! Cheerio ! Cheerio !


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lulach mac gille coemgain,

25/07/2008 16:54:38
Labour - Ohh the arrogance - Ohh the deafness - Ohh Sh!t

Quick! Labour party ye’d better declare the SNP an outlawed terrorist party and try and bang them up - fer there’s no other way of stopping them !

Think aboot it - the apartheid is about to end !
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Phil C,

25/07/2008 16:55:13
Broon the Prune keeps going on about how he knows food and fuel are going up and that he must get on with sorting things. Even now the buffoon, having been told a million times, doesn't seem to acknowledge that he could take much of the strain off by substantially lowering fuel tax to the levels of four months ago, whilst maintaining his budgeted tax grab.

The reason he never discusses this is that HE ruined our economy with his shameful waste on public sector reforms and warmongering. He's almost bankrupted us and he's trying to grab what he can wherever he can!

Some people must believe in his 'prudence' and think he made a good chancellor!! He's proven to be a terrible prime minister, Glasgow East remains decimated under Labour, yet the oddest thing about yesterday's election is that failed Labour got about the same number of votes as the successful SNP!!!!!!! Lord save us from these Labour fools.
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Encephalon,

25/07/2008 17:49:02
Fantastic-the best result for Scotland in my lifetime-I never thought I would live to see ordinary Scots in Glasgow East voting out these self-serving Labour apparatchiks who have so misruled the country for the past 50 years and kept the people in poverty.

Now we can begin to appreciate how the Romanians felt after getting shot of Ceausescu or the East Germans after the Wall came down.

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DaughterofScotland,

Too far from Alba 25/07/2008 17:56:58
"My full focus is on taking people through these difficult times."

Yes, well, Labour has been TAKING people for everything they could get these last years ... looks like that's on the way out. Hurrah for Glasgow East!
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Pink Sombrero,

25/07/2008 18:11:15
213. Yes, do sssshhhh, watching the fantastic news here!
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Pink Sombrero,

25/07/2008 18:15:03
217. ooo errr, what was that? I think it was an after shock of the political earthquake, it rattled my windows.

Can you hear the Unionists sing? Can you? Can you?
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Pink Sombrero,

25/07/2008 18:16:26
Odd that AM2 has vanished. He is usually so opinionated.

In fact, I was sure AM2 would now present an opinion poll showing that the SNP did not actually win Glasgow east
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wherthefahkowee ,

CLoud 9 25/07/2008 18:32:57


Spookie re - AM2 is that an e-ection or an election? Or both?
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Fanling,

Switzerland 25/07/2008 18:46:54
#49 Aesop,Edinburgh
"It's about time New Labour had an Englishman in charge. Just to show that they are equally incompetent and equally hostile to the interests of Scotland."

They did. He was called Tony Blair.
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228,LOL, you just proved my point,GOMPER!
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25/07/2008 19:05:23
I understand that from previous exchanges that
AM2 believes Kimba to be gomperlicious, but apparently
has not actually had a chance to meet yet. He may
want to beware :)

see - tinyurl.com/yjyyqw
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/07/2008 20:09:54
Interesting,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzKkutq6ueM

in the earthqu wake of interesting election results
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Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 25/07/2008 20:27:29
#59..Brilliant. Thanks again to all the enlightened posters. ( and the dolts too.)

Should Scotland become a nation again. It is highly probabale that England will fragment.

The wealthy and those with influence in the South with the working classes everywhere else, continually at loggerheads.

The inner city ghetto's of Leeds, Brum, Coventry etc etc all with their ethnic problems..
Scotland will be free to adopt sesible and humane immigration policies.
Northern Ireland and Wales ( How would a pact between those two play out?). It will make for terrific viewing.

All the best.
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Perth 25/07/2008 20:31:19
"I know that people look to the Government to take the action that is necessary," he said.

Yes, but not yours Gordon.

"Getting on with the job".

Well if you went into the dentist for a scale and polish and ended with all your teeth out you may not agree.

Failed neo-Marxist trash.
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kimba,

25/07/2008 20:36:27
"Let me make it one hundred percent clear: I am passionate about the Union. I don't want to be the Prime Minister of England. I want to be Prime Minister of the United Kingdom - all of it, including Scotland. message from david cameron.
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25/07/2008 20:37:37
He went on to sat--
"I absolutely believe we are stronger together, and weaker apart, and I will do anything and everything to keep our two countries as one. And that means addressing one-by-one the deeper questions that are fuelling separatism.
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25/07/2008 20:39:01
Salmond is about to meet his match!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/07/2008 20:51:09
kimba, 240-242, once Cameron is in power he will become one of the questions he wishes to address with regard to separatism. By then, he will be unable to remember the question.
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puskas,

East kilbride 25/07/2008 20:54:57
Please leave the unionist with the aftershock of this election. Don't encourage their ridiculous submittions.

Keep up the good work on the internet with the true facts. It works as orally we can transfer to the public.....Many, many voters in the east End were won over to the cause even in the closing hours.
Old folk with walking sticks and wheelchairs voting SNP for the first time, let us all know just how well orally the argument can be won..
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Angus Coull,

San Francisco 25/07/2008 21:28:59
I moved to California a few months ago.

Since then I have found myself on various occasions having to explain to people the following things:

1. Britain and England are not the same thing.
2. England and Scotland are different countries.
3. Ireland and Scotland are different countries.

you can argue back and forth about the rights and wrongs of the union, but one thing that seems more clear to me than ever is this:

THE UNION HAS TAKEN SCOTLAND OFF THE MAP.

I delight in telling Americans who ask about Scotland and Britain that Britain will probably be no more within 10 years and Scotland will be an independent country again.

After last night I am more confident than ever that Scotland will be on the map again in the next 10 years.



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Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 25/07/2008 21:44:34
Well said Mr Coull.

If you haven,t been there yet.

Take a drive over to Bodega Bay. Hopefully we ex pats can get a vote on independence..
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Nevsky,

Moscow 25/07/2008 21:58:13
242:

In Cathy Jamieson?
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Nevsky,

Moscow 25/07/2008 22:01:13
Kimba:

If you believe Cameron has what it takes to keep the union together i would hate to see you scones!

He made a fool of himself today calling for a general election!
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Angus Coull,

San Francisco 25/07/2008 22:26:07
246 - hopefully. Thanks for the tip Dekester!
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Dave C.,

25/07/2008 23:31:12
Angus Coull (245) wrote "I moved to California a few months ago".

Hi Angus, it's Dad here. It's been quite warm here. How's the weather in the San Francisco Bay area? It was often foggy when I visited there! I was going to say at least we don't get earthquakes here in Scotland, but, according to Alex Salmond, we do!
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Melly,

Cuckfield 26/07/2008 00:32:01
Gordon Brown wants us to be taken through the " difficult times". We have been in "difficult times" for the past many years when Gordon`s largesse with our taxes ( and pensions ) has allowed him to make the claim as being "the best chancellor for the last 40 years". Thanks Gordon - I am now 3 years after my 65th birthday and still having to work to maintain a decent standard of living. Do you feel my pain ? I think I know a god politition when I see one and Alec Salmond will do for me.
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Scotsman in Dublin,

26/07/2008 02:37:54
Congrats Mr Mason, I just came home and turned on Sky and its amazing how sky concentrate more on Labour disaster rather than SNP victory, but then again why would I be surprised, Sky have already decided to back the Tories for next general election. The fact is that Gordon is not a bad PM, its just that the English resent the idea of a Scots Pm and the Scots are starting to realise that the idea of an independant Scotland is now a realistic possibility.

 

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