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Callaghan doctrine can't cope with the Kosovo crisis



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Published Date: 02 December 2007
CRISIS? What crisis? The spirit of James Callaghan stalks the land, as Britain responds to an international threat in its traditional style, by inserting its collective head resolutely in the sand. Kosovo - a far-off country of which we know little - is fast becoming the most dangerous place on earth, the potential seed-bed, according to the most advanced pessimists, of the Third World War.
That claim may be somewhat on the drastic side; but there is cause for serious concern. Not among the tunnel-visioned commentariat, however. On Friday, British state television led its news with an alarmist global-warming story about the Siberian per
mafrost thawing (as it has done routinely and harmlessly for many centuries). Far down the news list was mention of another Russian story: the general election today in which voters are expected to endorse President Vladimir Putin's party with a landslide majority.

This is happening just eight days before Kosovo is poised to make a unilateral declaration of independence, an event which Putin described last September as a "red-line" issue for Russia. There are British troops in Kosovo: we are embroiled in this crisis up to our necks. Our fifth-form Foreign Secretary, David Miliband, however, was more preoccupied last Friday with the plight of a British schoolmistress given 15 days' imprisonment in the Sudan for idiotically allowing her pupils to name their teddy bear Mohammed (under the current PC terror she would have received a much heavier sentence for the same conduct in a school in Bradford).

So it is to the credit of David Cameron, whose own priorities in the past have not always been the most sensible, that he devoted much of his speech to the Brookings Institution in Washington last Thursday to Kosovo and the need to stand up to Russia on this and similar issues. The Kosovo question is, at first blush, intensely complicated. Yet, like most such international and ethnic contentions, it is at root quite simple. Serbia claims sovereignty over Kosovo, even though 90% of the population are ethnic Albanians who viscerally detest the Serbs. Nor does it help that Serbia's most recent mechanism for asserting sovereignty was the rape of 20,000 Albanian women and the massacre of their menfolk.

Nationalism is not a pretty sentiment. Since 1848 it has wreaked a degree of havoc across Europe second only to socialism. Yet there is undeniably such a thing as national identity and the respectable patriotism that underpins it. In the case of Kosovo, where not even the remaining 10% of the population is wholly Serb, what possible justification could there be for subjecting the Kosovars to Belgrade?

In any case, Serbia is a rogue state whose government cynically provoked the First World War by assassinating the heir to the Austrian throne through the intermediary of a secret society and which, alone among the belligerents on either side, emerged with its territory and status greatly enlarged and its war aims fulfilled. More recently, its savage conduct in the Balkans provokes the question whether the Serbs are fit to govern themselves, let alone anybody else.

Under normal circumstances, the resolution of the Kosovo question would be simple: a declaration of independence on December 10, recognised by the United Nations and the European Union, leading to a normalisation of life there and an inflow of investment. The circumstances, however, are not normal. Russia has appointed itself the patron of Serbia and in that capacity is mischief-making in the Balkans. This is a return to the old Tsarist doctrine of Pan-Slavism. Where formerly the Soviet Union justified its aggressions into European states as the performance of its "internationalist duty to defend the gains of socialism", Russia today has reverted to the role of protector of all Slav nations.

Putin is following the foreign policy of Nicholas I. It was a menace to Europe then and it is a menace now. From tonight, Putin is likely to be strengthened by a sweeping election victory fuelled by the domestic perception of him as a strong and ruthless leader (which Russians masochistically adore) and nationalist chauvinism. He will be in a position to flex his muscles by Kosovo's December 10 deadline. Any declaration of independence will be vetoed by Russia in the United Nations Security Council. That will leave a chicken-hearted European Union to confront a dilemma.

Since Nato rescued Kosovo from Serb domination in 1999, the province has been under United Nations governance (UNMIK), under the terms of Security Council Resolution 1244. In July this year, a draft resolution backed by the United States, Britain and other European members of the Security Council was amended four times to conciliate Russian demands, before being scuppered by Putin's opposition. Since August, a 'Troika' of negotiators representing the US, the EU and Russia has struggled to find a resolution. The Contact Group will report the outcome to the UN Secretary General on December 10.

The likeliest eventuality is a unilateral declaration of independence by Kosovar leaders, whose negotiations with Serbia broke down last Wednesday. David Cameron rightly said: "There is a crisis developing in the Balkans and we must act now to prevent it, in the interests of national security not just in that region but around the world." He was in no way resiling from his earlier denunciation of Blairite interventionism - indeed he reiterated his repudiation of "grand Utopian schemes to remake the world".

His demand that the Nato presence in Kosovo should be strengthened immediately by drawing on its dedicated operational reserve is sensible and would place no additional pressure on Britain's over-extended forces. Most important is his recognition that Russia must be faced down. The United States has a special interest at stake in Kosovo: this is the only Muslim population in the world that loves America, to the extent of setting up a Statue of Liberty in Pristina, its capital. At least Cameron is alert to this situation. It is to be hoped he can awaken the rest of the country to Balkan realities. That region is the tinder-box of European conflict. Appeasement would be fatal.



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1

Richardinho,

02/12/2007 01:32:02

So what are we supposed to do-Declare war on Russia?
Not sure what action Gerald is proposing, but it seems to come down to either direct confrontation with Russia or else the permanent colonisation of Kosovo. The lesson of the first world war which Gerald aludes to is that the problems of the Balkans are not worth the lives of people in this country.

2

Vlad Grubetic,

Australia 02/12/2007 03:42:53

Gerald Warner, You seem to be missing the bigger picture of the Kosovo issue.
Kosovo is Serbian land, always has been, always will be. How can anybody take land away from a sovereign country. Do you blame the Serbs for being angry and wanting to keep their land for what is rightfully theirs, not Albanian.
The UN should think clearly before granting independance to Kosovo, or there will be another war there.
Gerald Warner, you call Serbia a rouge state, have you ever been to Serbia to make this assumption?

3

Agrippa,

Toronto, Canada 02/12/2007 03:42:56

Authors who haven't the slightest knowledge of the subject they're writing about always draw my attention. Gerald Warner is one of them.

Aside from being awesomely clueless on Kosovo (calling it a "country"), Warner keeps parroting the old line and whips up anti-Serb hysteria using outrageous lies. Case in point: the rape of 20,000 Albanian women. Never happened.

"Kosovars" don't exist, either. There are Serbs and Albanians and a plethora of other minorities who have been reduced to a token presence -- not by the evil Serbs, but by the "oppressed" Albanians. Using the province's institutions to further their goals of complete domination of Kosovo, from 1968 to 1989, the Albanians had reduced non-Albanian population to about 10%. Not that long ago, the Serbs constituted about 60% of the population. Illegal immigration, intimidation, murder and terrorism as well as explosive birth rates have devastated all the other communities in the province. That's how the Albanians came to demographically dominate at a ratio of 9:1. For example, not a single Jew remains in Kosovo (the last one was expelled in 2001).

Since 1999, Kosovo has been a lawless hellhole, ruled by clan thugs and medieval "codes of honour" . 150 ancient churches and monasteries have been blown up or razed to the ground, and some 350,000 people have been forcibly removed from their homes. Those who couldn't or wouldn't flee live in shanty towns and ghettos surrounded by barbed wire and international peacekeeping forces.

Kosovo's PM is currently standing trial for war crimes against the Serbs, and the province's complete political elite is involved in some kind of organized crime or another (drug smuggling, white slavery, racketeering, arms dealing...).

Oh, and the Serbs are perfectly capable of governing their country -- including Kosovo. Serbia is a democratic state with strong institutions, a 6%-8% annual growth rate and an economy t

4

W. Shakespeare,

02/12/2007 03:51:26

"The United States has a special interest at stake in Kosovo: this is the only Muslim population in the world that loves America" - from the above article.

That comment is a flat out lie. The 90% Albanian population stole President Bush's watch right off his arm during a Presidential visit, while pretending to shake his hand in gratitude. Any amicability from the Albanian population of Kosovo is rooted not in a true desire for friendship or love, but is instead aligning its policies to coincide with America's for entirely economic purposes.

Secondly, Turkey is an Islamic country that is friend to the west, especially to the United States. Statistically, with regards to the number of soldiers, Turkey houses the largest military in the world at as of a year or two ago. Now it is only second to China, so it is very valuable to America and America is happy to keep Turkey as an ally.

Thirdly, I agree with Richardinho. We aren't going to attack Russia. We shouldn't. Our people's lives aren't worth waging the wars, and losing the lives, simply to financially enrich the already-wealthiest members of our society at the expense of the poorer classes. Moreover, it isn't our business to decide the outcome of this process, nor is it America's, but it is our duty to keep peace in the region. We should not take land away from Serbia that is LEGALLY (by UN law) theirs, just as we would not commit ourselves to giving Southern California to Mexicans if the largely-Mexican population of Southern California chose to declare independence from the United States.

Do not misunderstand me please. I love our native Britain, but we, as a nation, need to start acting ethically and lawfully in international matters. We are not barbarians, nor are we here to bully one nation or people into submission simply because we have more power. We should use our power to bring some good to the tragedies that have gone on in the Balkans and use it, again, to prevent

5

Dave B,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 04:19:03

Independence for Kosovo is just giving in to militant Islam and illegal immigration.
Another 30 years down the line, half of Europes capital cities will probably also declare themselves to be independent muslim states.

6

Jon Smit,

London 02/12/2007 09:36:41

What amazes me always is that Serbs cannot come to terms to accept that they have come to Balkan as foreigners and occupied Albanian land.
Kosovo was never Serbian, and it will never be. Kosovo was annexed illegally to Yugoslavia, which Western countries supported this decision, without the agreement of the local people. Now they want to get it right for the future of the Europe and Balkan.
How can the world forget the recent atrocities that Serbian army did to not just Albanians, but to all other non-serbians inhabitants of former Yugoslavia. This atrocities has existing for centuries after the Serb hords came to Balkan as trouble makers. But unfortunately then we did not have cameras to show that as we did during the Yugoslavian war. None the less the facts exists that Serbs cannot be trusted and are capable of starting a world war (as they started the first one). Hence they have to be punished and not looked after.

7

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 09:41:45

This morning, many readers will be surprised that the O.T.T. has gone off on a foreign affairs tangent when normally he would have been only too happy to intrude on Labour grief?

However, IF he had, it would have been a classic example of the blue kettle calling the red pot black?

ALL the political parties will be anxiously awaiting the outcome of the illegal funding debacle involving the Labour Party North and South of the Border, and no doubt, taking every possible step to cover the funding trails of illegal donations back to their own doors?

8

Dr. James Wilkie,

02/12/2007 11:35:28

There are one or two excellent comments here from people who clearly know what they are talking about. The US official attitude to Kosovo is not entirely superficial - it is just bedevilled by other foreign policy considerations that are of overall importance to the State Department. The Kosovo question itself is a particularly intractable one.

#6 Jon Smit. Your historical appraisal does not seem to go any further back than the Greater Albania that was set up by military force between April 1939 and the end of WWII. Independent Albania dates no further back than the Balkan war of 1912/13, when it included only two thirds of the ethnic Albanians in the Balkans. The others were minorities in surrounding states, including the Kosovo province of Serbia. In 1939 Italian dictator Mussolini annexed the areas of those surrounding states with Albanian minorities, including the border regions of Kosovo - never the whole province. Hitler Germany continued to support this Greater Albania, because in the later stages of the war it was Germany's main source of chrome and other raw materials. Furthermore, Heinrich Himmler recruited his new SS Skanderberg Division from native Albanians. It was the Allied forces that returned Albania to its prewar borders in 1945.

The murderous bloodbath instigated by Stalinist dictator Enver Hoxha against alleged anti-Communists and collaborators after 1945 led to a mass flight from Albania into the ethnic Albanian areas of the surrounding countries. Between that and the higher Albanian birthrate, it was only a matter of time before the Albanian population of Kosovo outnumbered the indigenous Serbs. The lunatic persecution of the Albanians under the rule of Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic led to the inevitable anti-Serbian reaction and a flight of Serbs out of Kosovo, leaving the Albanian majority in control.

Nonetheless, Kosovo is hallowed ground for the Serbs. It is the site of the battle on the Blackbird F

9

xheffo,

Pristina 02/12/2007 11:50:11

Well, one thing it is clear: We Kosovars want to divorce form this "forced marriage" we had with Serbia. Kosova never been Serbia. This part of the World didnt start existing from 13-th century, just because Serbia had this little battle with Ottoman army in Kosova. Then everybody in this region did fight against the Turk Empire and they battled them everywhere. 20.000 Albanian woman raped by Serb's? Its more. Never ever Kosovars will agree to live under Belgrade, their capital is Pristina and they want to live in peace with all there neighbours, and to look for Europian integration.

10

Teemackell the Scribe,

02/12/2007 12:12:10

GW writes of "the rape of 20,000 Albanian women and the massacre of their menfolk." I am surprised that he, of all people, has been suckered by such an obvious Belgian-babies-on-German-bayonets propaganda job. He goes on, "The Kosovo question is, at first blush, intensely complicated. " If he reads the posts above he might think at second, third and numerous subsequent blushes too. Kosovo Field, 1389 and Prince Lazar have the same grip on Serb emotions as Bannockburn Field, 1314 and King Robert have on those of the Scots-even though the outcome was adverse for the Sebs.

The old Yugoslavia, as I recall, comprised six federated republics and two autonomous provinces (Kosovo and Vojvodina, with its ethnic Hungarian minority). Its rapid, tragic disintegration, instead of a negotiated constitutional evolution, occurred as a consequence of Germany and Austria's premature green light for Slovenian independence. If NATO troops are to be stationed in Kosovo, then it is the heirs of the Central Powers who should bear the brunt. Their "drive to the east" must not be purhased by the blood of one British soldier. Get our guys out of there.

11

xheffo,

Pristina 02/12/2007 12:22:48

Dr. James Wilkie:
Serbs started to mention this battle you are talking about only since 1989 when Milosevic came to power. Never before. I was born here and I now this. One more thing wich is very interesting fo people they just started to learn about Kosova. My surname is Svarca, a village close to city of Nis in Serbia. In late 19 century (about 100 and some 20 years) 200,000 etnik Albaninas where expelled by force from there land Toplica south of Serbia (Kusumlia, Konjuh, Blaca, Svarca, Prokuple and so on). We "give away" enough land to Serbia. No more inch for them, if they want to come and live in Kosova, they are welcome, but they can not take an inch away from us anymore.

12

Urban Guerrilla,

02/12/2007 13:11:41

No support for Kosovo. Why should we help the Muslims?

We should support Serbia.

13

Jon Smit,

London 02/12/2007 13:57:35

My grandmother was from Toplica as well, which is in the Serbia proper now. Serbian government had a long policy to expel Albanians from their land. Hence we do not trust them any more. They had their chance to prove us otherwise during Yugoslavian era, but they messed it big time. It is their fault.
Urban, for your info, Albanians have three religions, Mulsims (which is majority, catholic and orthodox). And they never fought against each other and used the religion as a cause. Albanians are an great example in the world that religion should not be cause to start a war.

14

Radge,

Aberdeen 02/12/2007 15:04:20

You're way off line here Gerald. Good replies from Agrippa and Dr James Wilkie to name but two.

Nice to see Lackey Turd entertaining us with his usual irrelevance. Don't worry Lackey, I'm sure GW will get round to you party's funding debacle soon enough.

15

xheffo,

02/12/2007 16:20:06

Urban Guerilla, why aren't you telling the truth that you ar a Serb? Are u ashamed of beeing Serb? Any reasons for that? We dont hate you, we just want to help you to leave that nationalism you are in wich is hurting your society so much.
I can see that lots of you people here are trying to make Albaninas look as you talking of islamic militants. Im myself a muslim and my best friend is catolic, we have no problems. We Albanians understand very well that the religion its not something that should divide people. Down here we dont have petrol so this is maybe the reason!!

16

Urban Guerrilla,

02/12/2007 16:26:32

Don't be silly, #15. I'm not a Serb and I've never been to Serbia. I'm 100% British.

I just support the Serbs against the Muslims, that's all. How can you respect a faith that imprisons a woman for calling a teddy bear Mohammed?

17

Michael Averko,

Long Island, New York 02/12/2007 16:51:11

A news list that I'm on brought my attention to the above Gerald Warner piece.

For a different view, see:

Serbianna - http://www.serbianna.com

Posted: Saturday, December 1, 2007 - http://www.serbianna.com/columns/averko/006.shtml

Thoughts on the Past Year

By Michael Averko

My August 21, Serbianna article "A Different Settlement Plan for Kosovo" prompted some private questioning of how the proposed suggestion could work. Shortly after the article's release, I privately stated additional points to a select few. Relative to what was said on the idea of overlapping realities, is the high profile reality that both parties (Serbs and Albanians) remain at loggerheads. A hypothetical scenario where Kosovo will be
simultaneously independent and a part of Serbia would include:

- The return of refugees.
- Kosovo having full UN and Olympic representation, with the understanding that as long as there's a Serbia, Kosovo will remain a part of it. Ukraine and Belarus had UN delegations with full UN voting rights during the Soviet period. Puerto Rico (US territory), Taiwan (recognized by most as a part of China) and Hong Kong (recognized by all as a part of China) have their own Olympic delegations (Taiwan's going under the name "Chinese Taipai"). Palestine, a present non-nation has its own Olympic and UN observer representation. In the hypothetical Kosovo instance, Kosovo's residents can choose between representing Serbia or Kosovo.
- For consistency and fairness sake, Republika Srpska (the predominately Serb portion of Bosnia) would be offered the same option (in Republika Srpska's instance, a continued affiliation with Bosnia and the status as an independent nation). Based on the existing circumstances, the whereabouts of Ratko Mladi

18

xheffo,

Pristina, Kosova 02/12/2007 17:03:43

Well, Urban Guerrilla, I don’t know about Africa, but here where I live what you mention would never happen. I feel sorry for her, really, but you should not think all the Muslims are bad as I don’t think all Catholics are good.
Why you don’t mention the killing of a Brazilian guy in tube by British police? Can you say all British police are bad guys? Of course they not. Mate, you have one problem, you are brainwashed by your government that in Iraq they are fighting terrorism. For God’s sake, its petrol! And if you really want to help Serbia, that fine, but they are not fighting against Muslims, they want our territory, which they will never have. Read more about this part of the world Urban Guerrilla...its good for you!

19

W. Shakespeare,

South Yorkshire 02/12/2007 17:05:35

Jon Smit,
Although you are clearly angry and desperate with your responses, and I do not wish provoke further idle argument with you, I must point out several articles I read just a few weeks ago, for they contradict your comment, "Albanians are an great example in the world that religion should not be cause to start a war."

Yes, I am quite sure you have your grievances with the Serbs, and I do not live in, and have never been in, Kosovo but I feel I must present these excerpts from articles I have come across that certainly do contradict this assertion that Albanians have a respect for religion.

Although I am not pro-Serb nor pro-Albanian, I am entirely pro-legality, and so I feel it necessary to contradict any point I feel was misrepresented.

Here are some excerpts from articles, followed by the links to those websites:

1999:

"...in recent days a Serbian Orthodox priest was murdered, a monk was kidnapped and at least two monasteries were burned. "It wasn't even like this under the Turks. They didn't burn churches and monasteries," said church spokesman Deacon Luka Novakovic, referring to the 500 years Serbia was under Turkish control."

"...and nuns at a Serbian Orthodox convent in Devic, near Srbica in northwest Kosovo, were terrorized by ethnic Albanian extremists. The head of the convent, Mother Anastasia, said that 30 ethnic Albanian terrorists arrived at the convent soon after the withdrawal of the Serbian police from the region. The nuns were threatened with rape, robbed and expelled from the convent."

2000:

"The KLA has systematically attacked Serbian Orthodox churches, monasteries and graveyards. More than 110 Serbian Orthodox churches have been badly vandalized or reduced to rubble."

From the previous quote:
KLA stands for Kosovo Liberation Army, an Albanian terrorist orgnization whose leaders, including soon to be Prime Minister (althoug

20

xheffo,

Pristina, Kosova 02/12/2007 17:11:06

Michael Averko, I must say you are funny now. Your putting a link here, Serbianna. That silly.
Why not try Albanianna? Do you think that Serbianna would write something against Serbs?

21

Urban Guerrilla,

02/12/2007 17:19:19

#18, show me a case where a woman in the UK would risk 40 lashes for calling a teddy bear John the Baptist and I'll reconsider my view of Islam compared to other religions. As far as Mr de Menezes is concerned, the police acted disgracefully; and I opposed the war in Iraq from the beginning.

22

Goran Mikic,

Chicago 02/12/2007 17:21:06

Mr, Warner, you are perfect proof how very few posses true intellectual ability. In your case, It is both unseeingly and underproductive to irritate the situation by making an effort. Next time If you have a burning, restless urge to write, simply eat something sweet and the feeling will pass.

23

Dr. James Wilkie,

02/12/2007 17:24:34

#10. The disintegration of the Federative Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia did not happen as a result of Austrian and German recognition. It was going to happen anyway, because after Josif Broz Tito there was nobody else who could hold the ramshackle edifice together.

Five years previously, I had lunch in Broadcasting House in Ljubljana, the capital of Slovenia, with the late Jose Smole, who was as good a Yugoslav federalist as any (he had been Yugoslav ambassador in Moscow). He predicted then that it would come to a declaration of independence by Slovenia, on account of escalating Serbian financial and other corruption, the decrepit Dinar currency, astronomical inflation, and not least the repressive Serbian actions in Kosovo.

The Slovenes, a cultured, educated and industrious Central European people who should never have been lumped together in a Balkan grouping (with 8% of the population they produced 28% of Yugoslav GDP), went about it methodically. They invented their own currency (the Tolar, now replaced by the Euro), and had their new banknotes printed one year ahead of declaring themselves independent. Then, with only infantry and guerrilla tactics against heavy armour, artillery and air power, they proceeded to wipe the floor with the Yugoslav People's Army, the fourth most powerful military force in Europe.

However that is another story. The essential fact is that the Austrian and German diplomats did not provoke the breakup of Yugoslavia, which happened from within. The Austrian intelligence in particular was years ahead of the British, French and US services, which were mostly concentrated in Belgrade without much understanding of what was brewing in the north of the federation, and the Serbs suppressed any mention of that anyway.

I was working for the Austrian Foreign Ministry at the time, and I recall the strenuous efforts by the then Foreign Minister, Alois Mock, to inject some reality into the Western policies to

24

xheffo,

02/12/2007 17:33:06

Well #21, show me a case where a woman in my country(Kosova) would risk 40 lashes for calling a teddy bear John the Baptist or Muhamed. I can see that you are having so much hate against Muslims, but you are wrong. People mixed there culture with religion, and if Mulsims from some African nations punish someone just because they call there taddy bear Muhamed, here in Europe this would never happen.
There are more than 20,000 Albanian woman raped by Christian Serbs, more than 13,000 Albanians killed, children's among them, but I dont hate Christians! Try to love #21, its good for your health.

25

Logie Almond,

02/12/2007 17:37:39

These are the same Kosovo Albanians who are market leaders in prostitution, people-trafficking, drug-dealing and gun-running across Europe.

26

xheffo,

02/12/2007 17:47:04

W. Shakespeare, even thought by this name you are trying very hard to make as belive that you now something, problems in Kosova didnt start with killing of a priest or the monk. Problmes in Kosova started when Milosevic came to power, 1989, then he did took away our authonomy within Yugoslavia, the status that gave us right for self-determination. All we want now is not to go back in 1989. Independent and that will come with recognition of G.Britain, USA, and all major powers.

27

Urban Guerrilla,

02/12/2007 17:57:32

#24, the Serbian rapists are not raping because Christianity tells them to. Christianity condemns rape.

However, the people who set a penalty of 40 lashes for calling a teddy bear Mohammed, or who call for Mrs Gibbons to be shot, do so precisely because they are Muslims and Islam tells them to.

How is it possible to respect such a silly religion?

28

Joel (No Pundit Intended),

Tucson, Az 02/12/2007 18:00:31

Other than to take an over-dramatized poke at the British government, the news agencies, and pose unsubstantiated figures as fact, I am not certain what the goal of this article is.

I am not a big fan of Putin, but the Russian support of Serbian interests is not about Russian influence in the region, as it obviously is in other areas where break-away fever has taken.

29

Dr. James Wilkie,

02/12/2007 18:02:50

#26 is absolutely correct in stating that it all started with the accession of Slobodan Milosevic to power in Serbia. His repressive actions in Kosovo were instrumental in provoking the breakup of Yugoslavia.

The emotional Albanian reaction is a natural one, but is not the best basis for a constitutional settlement that has to guarantee survival in a complex modern world.

30

xheffo,

02/12/2007 18:12:35

#27 It is not true that Islam tells them to punish her because she called taddy bear Muhammed. I told you, people are mixing their religion with culture and mentality. My muslim religion dosnt tell me to punish someone because they call taddy a Muhammed.
But I tell you one more time, Kosova issue its not about religion. I drink beer and I love British "pint of lager". Come in Kosova and see for yourself what kind of muslims they are.
I respect your religion even thought I can never believe that a virgin woman can have a child!!

31

Urban Guerrilla,

02/12/2007 18:23:28

well, #27, you sound human and sensible, anyway!

32

Urban Guerrilla,

02/12/2007 18:23:39

#30, I mean!

33

xheffo,

02/12/2007 18:31:15

Dr. James Wilkie, do you think there are not enough reason's that Kosova cant live with Serbia?
I give you some:
1. Kosova its a land where Illyrians (today Albanians) lived long before Serbian battle in 13-th century,
2. We tried to live with Serbs long enough after they came in Balkan from Russia'n Peninsula,
3. Recently just before 8 years Serbs killed, slaughtered, raped and tried to expel million of Albaians. This is it. As for, if we cant survive in a complex modern world, if you could, why others cant?

34

Michael Averko,

Long Island, New York 02/12/2007 18:39:35

Re: Posts 20 & 24, inclusive of the below quoted:

"Michael Averko, I must say you are funny now. Your putting a link here, Serbianna. That silly.
Why not try Albanianna? Do you think that Serbianna would write something against Serbs?"

****

Try challenging the points raised in that piece, instead of skirting what has been said.

The Serbianna news ticker regularly posts material not friendly to the Serb position. Original commentary posted by Serbianna is often far more accurate and objective than the likes of Gerald Warner's commentary. Ditto the above quoted (in post 24) off the wall stated rape and casualty figures, which have never been substantiated because they're false.

35

Wm. Dorich,

Los Angeles 02/12/2007 18:40:45

Your article “Callaghan doctrine” by Gerald Warner reveals contempt for the truth, a cover up of human rights violations and a willful omission regarding the Genocide of Christian Serbs in Kosovo.

“20,000 Raped Albanian women?” What planet is this writer on? Even the alleged “60,000 Bosnian rapes” has turned out to be pure Muslim propaganda.

Cleverly omitted from this article is any reference that 40% of the Albanians in Kosovo are illegal aliens who cross the border from Albania into Kosovo as easily as Mexicans cross our border each night in San Diego, California.

During the bombing of Kosovo in 1999, more than 100,000 Albanians fled to Belgrade…into the arms of their Serbian enemies? Another 250,000 fled to Montenegro and more than 90,000 fled to Macedonia… all Serb dominated territories.

No reference is made that when NATO troops escorted Albanians back into Kosovo thousands of criminals, earlier released from Albanian prisons, entered Kosovo pretending that the Serbs originally cleansed them. That criminal element brought with them prostitution, gun running, human trafficking and are now responsible for over 70% of the drug smuggling into Europe. Apparently drugs Warner must be smoking?

Warner also glossed over the fact that the KLA, a terrorist group, forced many of these Albanian to leave Kosovo during the bombing and made damned sure they fled where CNN cameras could photograph them as “fleeing refugees.” A British journalist in Kosovo during the bombing said: “The Serb army had little to do with ethnic cleansing… most Albanians were fleeing in fear of the falling bombs.”

Goebbels was right when he said in 1939: “Tell a lie a hundred times and it become the truth.” Warner proves to be an obedient student of Goebbels and deals in the lies and half-truths.

And I would wager a bet that Warner also believes the Serbs “Killed 350,000 Bosnian Muslims,” and “Destroyed Dubrovnik”… all CNN driven propaganda

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Michael Averko,

Long Island, New York 02/12/2007 18:44:12

Re: Post 29:

"26 is absolutely correct in stating that it all started with the accession of Slobodan Milosevic to power in Serbia. His repressive actions in Kosovo were instrumental in provoking the breakup of Yugoslavia."

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The above post is absolutely wrong. Albanian nationalist terrorism against non-Serbs in Kosovo was enhanced during the years of so called "autonomy" (mayhem) 1974-1989. This provoked a Serb reply. What about Turkish actions against the PKK and some Israeli ones against Palestinians?

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Wm. Dorich,

Los Angeles 02/12/2007 18:47:27

This article indicates Warner never took the time to do any research on the history of the region. He appears ignorant of the fact that the Serbs were the majority in Kosovo for a thousand years and built over 1,500 churches and monasteries. The oldest mosk in Kosovo is 580 years old. The seat of the Serbian Patriarchate was in Kosovo for 900 years, until 1940 when it was moved to Belgrade in fear of the impending Nazi invasion. No mention is made of the 151 ancient Serbian churches that have been razed in the past 5 years or that the Albanian Muslims have built dozens of new mosque including the Osama bin Laden mosque, all built with Saudi Arabian money.

Warner needs a dressing down by his editors and also needs a history lesson. When The Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes was formed in 1918, Albanians represented “5% of the population” —this is well documented. It was also at a time when Albania was formed as a nation. Do we need two Albanian countries in Europe or is Warner pretending that a “Greater Albania” is not the end game?

After the Holocaust in which Nazi Albanians liquidated tens of thousands of Serbs and cleansed 150,000 from Kosovo, Tito forbade their return thereby reducing the Serbs to less than 35% of the population. The current cleansing of 450,000 is therefore pure Genocide. If all of the Serbs and non Albanians were allowed to return to Kosovo and the illegal aliens were deported, there would not be this fictitious “majority of 90%” that people like Warner enjoy repeating.

With such twisted thinking, when Mexicans are 90% of California do they have a right to secede the state back to Mexico? What other political chaos does Warner endorse?

When Tito granted an illegal autonomy in Kosovo in 1978 the Albanian authorities ban the Serbian language and the Cyrillic alphabet, used by the Serbs since its creation by SS. Cyril and Methodius in 860. Albanian authorities removed 2 million books on Serbian history,

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Princip,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 19:18:33

It is clear that the spin is still being peddled in this earlier ILLEGAL war. In Iraq the lie was over WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction) yet in the earlier ILLEGAL war NATO waged against Serbia the lie was over WMG (Whereabouts of Mass Graves). Yet here Gerald Warner continues with the attempt to paint the Serbs as evil with his grossly misleading and unsubstantiated claim;

"Serbia's most recent mechanism for asserting sovereignty was the rape of 20,000 Albanian women and the massacre of their menfolk. "

- this is a clear attempt to continue the smear campaign against Serbia to distract from the Illegal war waged in 1999 and the Illegal folly that the the US are spearheading i.e. unlawfully acting against the UN resolution that they formulated, signed and agreed to be obligated in order to bring peace to the region in 1999.

Lets look at the facts as told by those who were on the ground at the time;

"The death toll in Kosovo was in the hundreds before the start of the bombing campaign. It was around 5,000 by the end. Not quite the "genocide" that some people claimed, incidentally, but not a good precedent either.

I was working at Amnesty International during the Kosovo crisis. I first visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia during the conflict and then spent a year in Pristina seconded into the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. Tony Blair says that we "reversed ethnic cleansing" there, but I would not count the expulsion of over 100,000 Serbs and Roma from a province guarded by 40,000 Nato troops as a success."
- Conor Foley
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/take_two/2007/04/oliv...

In 3 years attempting to quell the KLA terrorists the deaths on all sides were in the hundreds. NATO's actions killed tens of hundreds of civilians across Serbia, Chinese Em

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Michael Averko,

Long Island, New York 02/12/2007 19:32:26

Jimmy Choo:

Way too simplistic, with Judah's book not providing such a complete overview.

There're a good number of other violent ethnic conflicts to reference.

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Princip,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 19:40:38

What is clear for Warner and the sudden realisation of the "west" is that they have cornered themselves in their self made trap. Yet, now having relentlessly attacked Russia and Putin they expect Russia to back down becuase Putin has the gaul to remind the US, UK and France of their obligations to uphold UN SC resolutions that they have formulated and signed only 8 years ago.

There is no lawful way that the US, UK and France can recognise the partition of the UN recognised member state - Serbia. Sounds like time to acknowledge the wrong doing of this earlier Illegal war and control the terrorists in Serbia's province given that it is the US and NATO who gave them a false hope and promise of an independent state on Serbian territory!

If anyone should re-evaluate and reasses their position and back off it is the US, and a "few" EU states who wish to set the most awful attack on the UN with not a mere bypassing of the UN but a flagrant attack on its authority and Resolutions!

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Luka,

USA 02/12/2007 20:25:08

"Serbia is a rogue state whose government cynically provoked the First World War"
- Gavrilo Princip worked for an organization that was comprised of Orthodox, Jews and Muslim Bosnians. He worked for free Bosnia from Austria-Hungary.
"the rape of 20,000 Albanian women and the massacre of their menfolk."
-To date Red Cross found less than a few dozen rape victims, including Serb women.
- The most number of deaths in Kosovo is around 4,800 from both sides, majority killed in NATO airstrikes. A friend of mine in Novi Sad was badly wounded when they missed the TV tower, and hit a neighborhood 200 meters away. Smart bombs.......
- I am surprised you didn't wave around the 200,000 dead figure. So far, Red Cross has found less than 30,000 dead bodies in all the wars from '91 Slovenia to '01 Macedonia. UN estimates are around 118,000 total count, but under 30,000 accounted for.

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Child of Zeus(Zot),

UK 02/12/2007 20:32:27

The United States of America, managed and governed by the state administration of the ex-president Bill Clinton and the actual president George W. Bush in revival, life-saving and universal protection ( moral, humanitarian, democratic, legal etc.) of Albanian people and Kosovo. But, being that this is very important historical moment as well as the last chance to resolve properly the final status Kosovo according to the external self-determination, particularly the United States and the United Nations need to take into account historical right and International Law, not heterogeneous geopolitics, economics and military interests of the Europe which morally and legally is responsible for its unimproved historical and political mistakes toward Albania and Albanians which did twice through The Congress of Berlin (June 13 - July 13, 1878) and The London Conference of Ambassadors 1913, dividing them in two parts, and annexed them to Serbia, Greece and Montenegro.
These indisputable historical facts prove that origins of the conflict between Serbian and Albanians aren’t of the new date from Tito’s Yugoslavia (1945-1989), respectively from Slobodan Milosevic Yugoslavia (Serbia+ Montenegro, 1989-2000), but is very old since 1878; 1912-1913 as we mentioned above. However, by then up to now Albanians never stopped their attempts and struggles against Serbian colonial rule in order to release themselves and bring back their indigenous territories of the ethnic Albania. This our conclusion in favour of the historical and the self- determination of the Albanians and Kosovo witness and follows arguments : (I) Albanian Kosovo has been inhabited by the Illyrians, who are the ancestors of the present day Albanians who constitute over 90% of its inhabitants, and henceforth must be rightly called Albanian Kosovo. (II) Also, in 1878, Kosovo was part of natural Albania because of this fact in the same year (as a counter-replay to anti- Albanian resolutions, adopted by the Congre

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Child of Zeus(Zot),

UK 02/12/2007 20:38:56

...(IV)In1918 Albanian Kosovo was inclusive in the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes by force and genocide, but it was flagrant act of colonialism, dividing Albanian territories, and giving rise to the Albanian right to the decolonization of Albanian Kosovo.During1918-1919Albanian Kosovo’s struggle for independence was crushed through genocide crimes committed for the fourth time by Serbia against its indigenous people, including the importation of Serbian colonists in Kosovo, respectively in Ethnic Albania. According to articles 20 and 22.4of the Covenant of the League of Nations,the severance of Albanian Kosovo from Ethnic(natural)Albania is declared null and void and its independence from the colonizing Power is provisionally recognized.
In violation of the Covenant of the League of Nations,Albanian Kosovo was colonized in the period 1918-1941 by the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and was officially declared and treated as a colony, through implanting Serbian colonists, expelling hundreds of thousands of the indigenous Albanian people, economic and mental persecution, terror, and liquidation; that is genocide. Turkey took part in that genocide operation be expelling over300.000Albanian from Albanian Kosovo to Istanbul, according to the Gentlemen Agreement with Yugoslavia in 1938.
Being that that Albanian Kosovo it’s not a legal property of Serbia and Serbs, Albanian people shouldn’t agree with imposition of the “conditional independence “ of Kosovo because one has never been Serbia’s territory, but Ethnic Albania’s integral natural, historical and geopolitical part. This is the main reason why Albanians shouldn’t give up from their historical and legitimate right of Kosovo.While, Serbian minority of 8% doesn’t have any legal right to call upon that Kosovo is part of Serbia, because one is colonial remnant in Kosovo from1912when Serbia by genocide and military force colonized and annexed Kosovo.This our conclusion proves and Serbian historian Dubravka Stoj

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Child of Zeus(Zot),

UK 02/12/2007 20:40:49

...That right of conquest was confirmed by the League of the Nations at the end of the First World War by the inclusion of Kosovo in the new state of Yugoslavia.” (Robert Jackson, The Global Covenant- Human Conduct in a World of States, Oxford University, New York, 2000, p.278).
It’s important to stress the fact that, and during the Second World War the status of Albanians of Kosovo was remained unchanged, even though “in January 2, 1944 was hold the meeting of the National Liberation Movement about Kosovo political status which as known as the Bujan Conference. In this conference was adopted the Bujan Resolution, which defined Albanian Kosovo as a sovereign entity and a part of Albania and expressed its aim remain part of the Albanian state after the end of the Second World War. But the partisan army led by Tito crushed its indigenous people by committing all possible means of genocide against them.” (Noel Malcolm, Kosovo a Short History, Harper Perennial, New York, 1999, p.307-308)
After the end of the war in Yugoslavia (1945) in violation, and contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter, according to the Yugoslavia’s Federal Constitution of 1946, Albanian Kosovo and its indigenous Albanian people were annexed by force of the Yugoslavia. According to the international law, this is an act of colonialism because of the fact it was against the will of Albanian people. In the same outlaw manner in 1989 (after Slobodan Milosevic took power in SRFY), Albanian Kosovo was again illegally and by force annexed by the Republic of Serbia, which matter breaks any structural connection between the two entities, and constitutes the obstruction of Albanian Kosovo’s exercise of its independence, statehood and sovereignty. This annexation was by force, and the commission of all forms of total obstruction of the internal self-determination which Albanian Kosovo had according to the constitution of the SFRY in the 1974. As a consequence all of t

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Child of Zeus(Zot),

UK 02/12/2007 20:42:02

...(4) the Declaration of October 19, 1991 of Albanian Kosovo as a sovereign independent republic on the basis of the Referendum held from September 26 through 30, 1991 in the presence of international observers, with 87,01% of the electorate voting, from which 99,87% voted in favour of independence from the SFRY. This Referendum was according to the contemporary international law, and the UN Charter as well as to these resolutions, adopted by the Assembly of the United Nations: (i) Res.637(VII) Dec.16,1952.Right of Peoples and Nations to Self- Determination, (ii) Res.1514(XV) Dec.1960 on granting independence to dependent peoples; (iii) Res.2160 (XXI) Nov.30,1966. Forcible action depriving people of right to self-determination; (iv) Res. 2200(XXI) Dec.16,1966. International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, Art.1; International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Art.1.; (v) Res.(XXV) Nov.30,1970. Emphasizing importance of universal realization of self-determination and condemning denial especially to people of southern Africa and Palestine; (vi) Res.33/44 Dec.13,1978. Decolonization; (vii) Res.34/103 Dec 14,1979. Hegemonism, and so on.
Ahtisaari’s plan must be in compliance with international law, and historical right of Albanians to Kosovo & ;nbs p; All of the international actors (USA, UN, EU, NATO, Contact Group) involved in settlement of Kosovo’s status, morally and legally are obliged to take into account valid and objective arguments according to historical and juridical rights of both parts (Serbian and Albanian) in conflict. Really, in this context is prepared and the United Nation plan on Kosovo which in February 2, 2007 was delivered and presented by its envoy, Marti Ahtisaari to Serbian authorities in Belgrade and Albanian government in Pristina. However, Marti Ahtisaari’s plan about Kosovo, official Belgrade at the same day rejects by motivation that one imply independence of Kosovo. Meanwhile, Albanian part accepted it

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Child of Zeus(Zot),

UK 02/12/2007 20:42:58

...This is a main reason why Martti Ahtisaari’s Plan couldn’t be presented to the UN Security Council before being completed with this important and unavoidable legal clause which is in conformity to ” the Declaration Granting Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples and Declaration on Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation among States in Accordance with the Charter of the UN”(See: GA Resolution 1514(XV),14 December 1960; and GA Resolution 2625(XXV),24 October 1970).
These are the main rational and legal reasons why Kosovo must be granted with full-external independence, not only with internal independence such as Martti Ahtisaari’s Plan expected as a first reasonable step. Indeed, Kosovo’s government isn’t in situation to refuse Martti Ahtisaari’s proposed plan, like did Serbia, but morally, historically and legally is obliged to give its additional suggests and proposals which concern to the settlement of the final political status of Kosovo in compliance to recognize the full right of the self-determination of 2 millions Albanian people who are the “hostages” of the colonial Great Serbia from 1912/1913 to June 10, 1999.
In this context, Martti Ahtisaari’s plan must take in consideration and these important historical and juridical reasons and arguments who are directly connected to the granting of full independence of Kosovo. First, historically, Kosovo has never been legal part of Serbian territory, but only genocidal and colonial plunder disjoined from the historical, geopolitical and integral territory of the ethnic natural Albania by the European Great Powers (19113).
Second, Kosovo belongs to the civilization (history, culture and language etc.) of the Western Europe because Albanians are Illyrians descendants, not at all Slaves or Muslims as Serbian quasi-history, politics and propaganda of the Serbian State and Orthodox Church try to sophisticate their history for centuries in the face of the

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Child of Zeus(Zot),

02/12/2007 20:49:55

Also, Serbia and Serbs haven’t their religious and culture “cradle” in Kosovo because “the seat of the Serbian Orthodox Church was not founded in Kosovo; it merely moved there after its original foundation in central Serbia was burnt down. Nor does the Patriarchate have any continuous history as an institution in Kosovo…, but in Rascia(Serbia), an area beyond Kosovo’s north- western border, and most of the important early medieval Serbian monasteries and churches were built outside Kosovo itself.” (Ibidem, p. xxxv).
There’s no dilemma that historically Kosovo was Albanian territory, not Serbian as has written with incontestable arguments Prof. Dr. Noel Malcolm in his mentioned excellent and realistic book about Kosovo. Indeed, that Kosovo has never been Serbian land, but Albanian which in 1371 has been part of the Albanian feudal state of the Balsha’s which was defeated by the Ottomans in 1389.
Third, Kosovo isn’t Serbian minority problem (as official Belgrade and Serbian Orthodox Church are manipulating with 8% of Serbs in Kosovo under the pretext that they are victims of the Albanian majority of 90%. This is falls argument which Serbia, and Serbian Orthodox Church are using to blame Albanians, instead to blame themselves for all their colonial aggressions toward Kosovo- Albania and Albanians ), but ancient colonial problem which must be resolved in accordance with International Positive Law and the United Nations Chart. Fourth, in order to reach definitely political compromise between Serbs and Albanians, Martti Ahtisaari’s plan must include the necessary international juridical clause of the external self- determination which theoretically and practically means full independence of Kosovo, not internal which directly and indirectly Belgrade want to be implied to Kosovo by international community because it will be only “legal way” to keep still its colonial plunder like 100 years ago (1878-2007).
Basically, Martti Ahtisaari’s plan about final st

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Wm. Dorich,

Los Angeles 02/12/2007 22:14:58

To Xheffo:

It appears that you, like Mr. Warner need to read a few books on history.

You state: "Kosova its a land where Illyrians (today Albanians) lived long before Serbian battle in 13-th century."

NOT TRUE!

This is really stupidity at its finest and reveals the depth to which Albanians stoop to brainwash the ignorant west.

Illyrians were pirates and a few hundred thousand were shepherds that lived on the coastline of Italy, not inland in the Balkans. Illyrians were totally destroyed by the Roman Empire centuries before the Battle of Kosovo in 1389 for SURE! The Romans made them extinct because of their constant plunder of Roman ships and their criminal ways.

The Serbs did not come to the Balkans in the 13th century they were recorded in the region as early as the 7th century. Early Serbian church ruins date to the 11th century in the region. Serbs did not come from Russia they came south from areas like Poland.

This was at a time when there was no Italy, therefore, no Italians, No Germany, therefore no Germans, No England, therefore no British, No France, therefore no French... Ah! but in your stupid mind there were Illyrians Albanians in Kosovo? Get a life! Better yet, get an education.

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Wm. Dorich,

Los Angeles 02/12/2007 22:26:59

Hey Xheffo:

Here is a piece of Albanian history for you.

In the 1970s Albanologists spread rumors that they were on the verge of finding archeological evicence that the Albanians were direct descendants of Illyrians. Millions of dollars came pouring in from Tirana, Iran, Saudia Arabia and Turkey. But, there was NO SUCH EVIDENCE to be found and to this day none exists.

During the construction of the dam on the Fierza River project, which flooded parts of Metohija (the Serbian word meaning church land) in the archeological remnants were discovered remains of flooded Vrbnica.

The Kosovo Albanian "experts" were ready to believe it a godsend that they had finally found their traces of an Illyrian settlement. The money came pouring in for added research. Meanwhile, the discovery turned out to be the remnants of Slav culture and suddenly all financial assistance was discontinued and the project was abandoned as Albanian authorities sank the site in the newly formed lake instead of sharing the discoveries with the rest of the enlightened world including their Serbian neighbors.

Xheffo, you must make your people proud with your stupid and uneducated immoral ideas?

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Michael Averko,

Long Island, New York 02/12/2007 23:02:12

As for the latest spamorama about the "indigenous" Albanian people of Kosovo: it's not quite true.

Albanians might've been in the Balkans before the Serbs. However, they didn't predominate in Kosovo before the Serbs. Noticeable Albanian movement to Kosovo started in the late 17th century, after a lengthy Serb presence there. Since that time, it's only within the past 120 years that Albanians started to numerically overtake the Serbs in Kosovo, for reasons having to do with a series of ethnic cleansing campaigns. Kosovo was part of Serbia centuries prior to 1912. It has been part of Serbia since 1912. Kosovo was never part of an independent Albania, or an independent entity unto itself. Present day Serbia minus Kosovo is far more democratic and multi-ethnic tolerant than Kosovo. Pridnestrovie (Trans-Dniester) has a much better case for independence than Kosovo.

A Glasgow resident sent me this note in reply to Gerald Warner's article:

"Gerald Warner, AKA James Gerald Warner, writes for a relatively low circulation provincial rag.

His views are most probably not read in the few Edinburgh households which take his newspaper."

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Having not studied the overall content of this news source, I'm not currently in a position to judge its overall makeup. The article was submitted to me from someone in Canada. In turn, I forwarded it to a list of about 100. The article has drawn a good deal of feedback. Part of the problem with analyzing former Yugoslavia is the often unchecked slant getting carte blanche. Warner's article is one of many typifying the English language mass media's bias on the subject of former Yugoslavia.

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Vlad Grubetic,

Australia 02/12/2007 23:16:05

What interest has the United States in Kosovo? They are at present fighting a war on terror, which is against muslim countries, yet now back Albanian Muslims for independance against Serbia? Figure that out! The KLA is a terrorist organisation and have strong links with Osama Bin Laden and other muslim terrorist organisations.
What have the Serbs ever done to the United States to warrant such action against them. Does anyone ever remember in WW2 how many US serviceman the Serbs saved against the the Nazi's.

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brassneck,

Brigadoon 02/12/2007 23:44:45

Gerald Warner: In any case, Serbia is a rogue state whose government cynically provoked the First World War by assassinating the heir to the Austrian throne through the intermediary of a secret society and which, alone among the belligerents on either side, emerged with its territory and status greatly enlarged and its war aims fulfilled...

Gerald - that statement is false. Worse, you know it is false. The Austrian Government issued an ultimatum to the Serbs before the opening of hostilities - and the Serbs caved in. Nevertheless, the Austrians began the war. Their justification was no greater (and no more honest) than would have been that of the Brits had they chosen to attack the Irish Republic in 1969.

It was not the Orthodox East that attacked the Catholic West. It was the reverse - just as it was with the 4th Crusade's assault on Constantinople and the Teutonic Knights attack on Novgorod. Two popes have admitted the errors. Can you not?

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Wm. Dorich,

Los Angeles 03/12/2007 00:35:22

Serbia was internationally recognized as a nation at the Congress of Berlin in 1878, with one stipulation, that Bosnia remain an Austrian protectorate for 44 years. When it came time to give Bosnia back to the Serbs Austria thumbed their nose and the Archduke went to Sarajevo on the most sacred religious holiday, Vidovdan, which commemorates the Battle of Kosovo and he mocked the Serbs. If I were alive then I would have shot the Son-of-a-Bitch myself!

Stupid journalists will convince their readers that this assassination started WWI. But these historical illiterates never mention the assassination of the Serbian King in France in 1939?

In other words, the assassination of a low-life Archduke in Sarajevo causes a World War, but killing a Serbian King and a French Ambassador and his wife are not the basis for war?

The United States convinced the Serbs to sign off on the Kosovo peace agreement in 1999 and UN Resolution 1244 and now wish to recant their decision?

This is what Warren Zimmerman did in 1992 when the Bosnian Muslims agreed and signed a Bosnian Peace Agreement with the Serbs in and Zimmerman convinced Muslim President Izetbegovic to recant his signature before a single life was lost. Zimmerman was a lunatic and a rabid Serbophobe. It was Clinton's idiots that created these wars.

And don't for a moment think that building one of the largest US military bases in the world in Kosovo is not behind this political drama in the Balkan...after all we have guaranteed the Germans that we will be militarily out of their country by 2012, just 4 years away.

Does anyone here think that the Americans no longer wanted a military presence in Europe when we made that secret agreement with Germany in 1994? Even if we had to fabricate more Balkan wars to make it look authentic to spend billions of dollars to build camp Bondsteel—a facility that consumes 360,000 meters—995 acres of Serbian land that the US has yet to compensate

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Princip,

Edinburgh 03/12/2007 00:57:35

I guess another point Warner would rather over look is the Serbian language root for Kosovo

"Kosovo" or "Kosova"?
What's in a Name?
By John Peter Maher
Professor of Linguistics, Emeritus
Northeastern Illinois University

"Kosovo" is a Serbian place name, more fully "kosovo polje", meaning the 'field (or plain) of blackbirds'. "Kosovo Polje" lies just outside the city of Prishtina.

Ornithology lesson: Among North Americans, Australians, and South Africans, only ornithologists can identify the species in question. Kosovo's "black bird" is no crow, nor raven, no starling nor grackle, but "turdus merula", European cousin of the North American rusty-bellied thrush ("turdus migratorius"), which Yanks call the "robin".

In Britain and Ireland "robin" is the name of another species, "erithacus rubecula".
(The "four and twenty 'blackbirds' baked in a pie", of the English rhyme, were of the species "merula", in Serbian called "kos". From this term "kosovo" is the derived possessive adjective.

Like America's harbinger of spring, the black bird called "kos" in Serbian language sings sweetly in the springtime and early summer.

For North Americans the feel of the Serbo-Croatian place name "Kosovo" can only be had from a free translation, "Field of Robins".

Albanians have borrowed the word from the Serbs, whose once overwhelming majority was driven down, especially since the Congress of Berlin, by savage aggression from Albanians incited then and in WW I by Austria-Hungary and Germany, in World War II by Mussolini's puppet Albanians, and after WW II by the discriminatory ethnic cleansing of the Stalinist dictator Josip Broz.

Native Indian place names in America have no meaning in English: e.g. "Michigan" means nothi

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LizaMarie,

03/12/2007 01:27:30

The bottom line is that Warner wrote a piece of drivel. I'm surprised that it was published. I've followed events in the Balkans over the years. It is best to do one's own research to get to the truth. I would recommend three books for those who are not up to speed as to happenings in the Balkans. They are:

'Unholy Terror: Bosnia, Al-Qa'ida, and the Rise of Global Jihad', by John R. Schindler
'The Coming Balkan Caliphate: Threat of Radical Islam to Europe and the West', by Christopher Delis
'Media Cleansing: Dirty Reporting', by Peter Brock

Further information can be found on the internet.

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Prince of Albania,

USA 03/12/2007 06:26:55

Well since this battle of 600+ years ago happened how dare the Albanians ask for independence! I mean they only live in Kosovo, nothing more.

It is up to people elswhere in the world to decide what happens to Kosovo, it's only fair...

Give me a break!

I lived in Kosovo till I was 21... since 1978 till 1999 when I was forced at gunpoint from my home which my father worked all of his life for. Then our house was set ablaze and we marched for 35 miles, on foot with little children and the elderly in tow, to the Macedonian border. There we were greated with the equaly vicious Macedonian police (to the Serbian one) and forced into a refugee camp for 60 pittifull days. We were rescued by a refugee visa to the United States where I live now. 14 of my immediate family (uncles, aunt, cousins) were brutally executed 8 of which we haven't even found the bodies of!

How do you people expect us to live under Serbian rule ever again?

Serbia is a rouge state that is being used by a beligerent Russia, ran by a mafia style government, to dictate EU (and by default British) policy!

Nonetheless, thankfully we don't have to rely on a weak Europe to achieve our freedom and independence goals in Kosovo because we have a strong and determined United States of America to spearhead and complete this process.

As for all of you people who suggest otherwise, I say stay out of it and let the population of Kosovo decide in a democratical way... say a popular referendum.

Peace and Love!

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Knowm Ercy,

UK 03/12/2007 10:39:15

Most of you people should be ashamed of yourselves for having such negative and one sided views. I am a Kosovar Albanian in UK since 1990, been to Scotland too and loved the place but I could never bring myself to think that Scots should not have their independence should they wish so. I think that self determination is the primary goal of democracy. Why shouldn't Kosovar Albanians be allowed to chose their fate. Does history determine the future, if so, then all Slavic nations in Balkans should move up north to where they came from in the first place. We are not asking anyone to move about, we just want to be allowed to decide our future, and all and everyone are welcome to stay in Kosova. As for people who worry about Kosovars belonging to the faith of Islam and the fear of Europe being overrun by such people it only shows how alone and small your world is, I really feel sorry for you, you should get out more!

Wish you well!

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Princip,

03/12/2007 10:56:10

@ #57

"Serbia is a rouge state that is being used by a beligerent Russia, ran by a mafia style government, to dictate EU (and by default British) policy!

Nonetheless, thankfully we don't have to rely on a weak Europe to achieve our freedom and independence goals in Kosovo "

- and the EU think they will have the support of the ethnic-Albanians in te Serbian province to bring its judiciary upto EU standards ? Gven this clear anti-EU (or should I say "default British") comment which is biting the hand feeds it it is reminds me of a Spiegel report titled; The Failure of the West's 'Ostrich' Policy.

"The study, commissioned by the German army, says the European Union's security strategy for a future mission in Kosovo is "neither analytically nor conceptually sustainable." The "false belief" in the blessing of independence is pushing "hopes for a leap in prosperity to unrealistic levels," it writes. Instead, any setback threatens to result in "serious unrest if not revolutionary-like upheavals."

The 124-page report blames the bleak prospects for the provi