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Published Date:
26 April 2007
YOUNG doctors who join the Royal Navy are entering a culture of bullying and overwork which puts them at risk of harm, according to a former surgeon lieutenant-commander.
Speaking to The Scotsman on condition of anonymity, the former navy doctor said cash-strapped students recruited to fill gaps in an overstretched service were ill-prepared for what they encountered in combat.

The man, who served in Iraq, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Sierra Leone, left the navy in 2002, and says he was disillusioned with the way the military failed to support its "stressed-out" personnel.

His comments follow the case of David Hughes, 37, a Royal Navy surgeon lieutenant from Edinburgh, whose body was found on Tuesday night in the Cairngorms after he disappeared last week on learning he had to go on a second tour of Iraq.

"I have been more upset by the revelations over the past 24 hours about David Hughes than anything I've seen in combat," the former officer said.

"I can understand because a few years ago after I was trashed in Kosovo, I found myself about to be sent back when was I was in a terrible state and not ready.

"Given a few more days at that point of despair, I might have killed myself. I was asking myself 'Who can I talk to?'"

The military recruits students at medical school, paying for their medical training and a salary of £13,000 in their first year, rising to £16,500 in their third year.

However, the former navy doctor, who helped recruit medical students, said: "You can always tell the medical students at university who have been recruited because they are driving nice cars and are not desperate for money. But the 'Queen's Shilling' is a lot more than that.

"They are entering an institution where a macho culture enforced by bullying prevails. But it is when they are sent out to combat zones that the fear kicks in.

"Many have never had sufficient experience in accident and emergency departments for the horrific injuries and screaming wounded they are about to encounter. They see everything at its worst.

"They see what is left of the living. Suddenly they find themselves in a zone where they are cooped up for months, on call 24 hours a day and only able to walk a few hundred yards in a safe range.

"It is a hermetically sealed world and some just want to flee. If someone is not in the correct psychological state because of all this, they should be wrapped up and cared for, not sent back."

In terms of navy support, he said personnel were sometimes deterred from seeking help because of the bullying that he claimed went on - from threats to being ostracised.

However, he admitted there were pockets of support, especially at MoD hospital units where there was a military GP.

The former navy doctor said he was aware of four members of the services who had killed themselves, including two medics who did not want to return to a war zone. He added: "I had to cut down one suicide."

A spokesman for the MoD said: "There is no culture of bullying in the Royal Navy. The services have a policy of zero tolerance of bullying, and any allegations made are thoroughly investigated and action taken.

"Welfare support services are available to trainees whilst they are on secondment to the NHS. Their military parent organisation, the Institute of Naval Medicine, provides welfare support services to trainees, maintaining regular contact.

"Career and professional advice is also available from the naval career manager as well as naval consultant advisers and defence consultant advisers."

The full article contains 619 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Scullion,

Canada 26/04/2007 00:46:34

Couldn't they have just resigned their commission once their compulsory "payback" term had expired?
A 37 year old doctor, unless he was a very mature student, should have paid his way long ago.
I would like more info. The doctors I dealt with in the Canadian navy were treated and paid like gods.
Who can bully an officer except another officer and if that happened, then the Queen's regulations would step in. Is the British navy so different?

2

McMicrogal,

26/04/2007 07:44:40

As far as I am aware, our service men and women can be called back to active service for a number of years following their exit from the armed forces, there is no escape.

I will not allow my son to join the CCF as I would not put it past the powers that be to add a 2 year call up clause in at some point in the future, given that we are very short of high calibre cannon fodder erm I mean soldiers. Many who joined the TA in the 80s as a fun and easy way to earn extra cash have found out the hard way that the Queen's shilling comes at a high price, and it may be many years before you are fully released from it's hold.

3

shivago8,

livingston 26/04/2007 08:23:43

JUST TYPICAL OF THE MOD.GET THERE POUNDS WORTH THEN THROW THEM OUT ON THE STREET.NO FOLLOW UP AS TO HOW THEY ARE COPING.THESE FELLOWS NEED TO BE WITH OTHER COMRADES FOR A WHILE IN ORDER TO GET BACK INTO A ROUTINE.TO NEGLECT THEM IS NOT ON.A LOT IS GOING THROUGH THERE MINDS.THEY NEED HELP

4

von-Scharnhorst,

Berlin-Preußen (ex Bathgate) 26/04/2007 08:38:35

"2. McMicrogal
I will not allow my son to join the CCF as I would not put it past the powers that be to add a 2 year call up clause"
Totaly ridiculous reasoning. The CCF, are all below the age of 18, when they can, if they wish join the T.A.

Under 18 they are not capable of making a legaly binding contract. Therefore your "theory" is....wayward.

5

Boy Wonder,

26/04/2007 08:43:43

The problem with "taking the Queen's shilling" is that she wants at least "sixpence" back!!!

6

Porry,

26/04/2007 08:59:01

"There is no free lunch." This is what the generation which is used to taking but does not feel any obligation to give as well has to understand. If you sign up to serve in the armed forces and accept the "Queen's shilling" as a student, you should be aware that you actually will have to serve in the armed forces one day, with all the obligations which go along with it. In the case of surgeons, this, of course, means that they will have to deal with "horrific[ally] injured and screaming wounded". That should not come as a surprise to junior personnel.

7

Anne,

26/04/2007 12:24:09

The "call back", in the case of R$AMC officers, last until the age of 56.
How would you like to be forced to return to your first employer if he suddenly needed a few extra workers?
It's a ridiculous si9tuation.

8

Army Doc,

26/04/2007 16:51:40

It is with great sadness that we learn of the death of a fellow colleague and our thoughts are obviously with his family at this difficult time. It is not easy being a military Doctor at times when we are stretched to the limits in many areas. However, we are a well supprted network with multiple options available for help. Recall and deployments are an integral part of Forces life, none of which will be a surprise to any of the individuals who sign up to take the "Queen's shilling". It is easy to make the Armed Forces a target for criticism for those who are not well informed. It is not easy to predict what any individual is thinking and this loss may not be a failure of the Navy or the NHS and we should never lose sight of all the good work that continues to be done by the Defence Medical Services.

9

Thistledhu,

Fife 26/04/2007 21:24:15

#8 I agree completly, This is a very sad case indeed.
but i can not understand the kneejerk easy response of blaming the Armed Forces when you consider that firstly no inquest into the death has yet been held so therfore the facts of the case are not known
IN addition this man worked in a civilian hospital(st johns, Livingston) so if he was overworked and or bullied it was by the NHS. Research conducted a few years ago showed the the NHS as haveing a bullying problem that out strips both the Armed forces and the police.

10

Robert,

Kirriemuir 27/04/2007 23:47:04

It is so easy to be killed on the hills in Scotland as the annual death rate will indicate so was this death just a coincidence? To apportion blame at this stage on the navy is surely inappropriate.

In 1947 I served as a Boy entrant with the Royal Navy at Ganges and the bullying then was ripe and throughout my service it was a feature of naval life. One tolerated this as it seemed to develop a close esprit de corp which was the saving grace. I would often find myself on an indiscipline code owing to the arrogance that prevailed so I am surprised to hear that it still persists in today's navy yet, equally, I find this esay to believe. Whether I could have coped in a war theatre with this arrogance and the threat of the likelihood of losing one's life is doubtful.

Later experience in life, and 20 years in management taught me that whenever management fails to manage properly the hardline attitude prevails when it is a sure sign that the 'tail is wagging the dog'!

The class distinction that prevails in the armed services is inexcusable and the bullying is the sign of incompetent management. We may live in a technologically advanced society but intellectually and emotionally we are still knee-deep in the primordial mud!


 

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