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Published Date:
07 February 2007
SIR TOM FARMER is demanding answers over a controversial £12 million deal which saw Hibs miss out on sought-after land they wanted to develop to fund a new stand and community facilities.
The millionaire Kwik-Fit founder and Hibs owner asked for all the paperwork relating to the sale of a council-owned 12-acre butterfly-shaped area south of Easter Road stadium in 2000.

The request was made last year under Freedom of Information laws but council chiefs turned it down on the grounds it would cost too much to collate and would breach commercial confidentiality with project operator Lochend Butterfly Project Ltd.

Sir Tom wanted to know if the deal for the site represented value for money for taxpayers and why his consortium, led by Hibs parent company HFC Holdings, missed out on the site, claiming it had not competed on a level playing field during the bidding process.

Information commissioner Kevin Dunion has now backed the council's stance but Sir Tom today called on the council to release the files to tackle "unanswered questions" about the deal.

The appeal comes as council officials are thrashing out a £5.9m deal to sell land to Hearts to help them expand Tynecastle.

A consortium involving HFC Holdings, the Bank of Scotland and developer Morston Assets, lost out on the Lochend Butterfly in 2000 to a bid from the Lochend Butterfly Project Ltd.

At the time consortium bosses claimed council officials had misled them by originally telling them should not attach any strings to their bid. They were also upset because councillors deciding on the bids were not told that the Hibs consortium intended to use the money from its plans for Lochend towards redeveloping the club's east stand and putting in more community facilities, including a health and fitness centre.

The then council leader Donald Anderson apologised after admitting the decision on the multi-million-pound development by Hibs was based on inaccurate information from officials.

Sir Tom said today the request, made in January, 2005, had been to get to the bottom of the why the council went for the rival bid.

He said: "What surprised me was that it was going to cost over £600 to pull together. If they had told me that I could have made a contribution to the cost.

"The second thing that surprised me was this commercial confidentiality issue. We are not talking about state secrets that put the country or city at risk here.

"I thought the whole point of the FoI laws was to allow people access to information that was in the public interest but not publicly available. If you look back at the whole affair there just seems to be some unanswered questions.

"There was a missed opportunity with the Butterfly, it was a scheme that could have secured the future of Hibs and provided greater community facilities."

The Hibs consortium originally offered £2.5m up front, plus a percentage of the future value of the land. That was rejected in favour of the Lochend Butterfly Project Ltd's offer of £12m, which was conditional on planning permission being given for houses.

The Hibs consortium then offered a higher figure but this came after the deadline for bids. A legal challenge to overturn the decision was rejected in 2001.

The company now in charge of the project is called Eastgate and they were granted planning permission in November, 2004 to build 384 flats.

Nobody from Eastgate was available for comment but work has started on building homes on the north part of the site.

A council spokeswoman said: "When Sir Tom Farmer put in his FoI request, we considered it and we made a decision to withhold most of the information based on grounds set out in the Act, namely on the grounds of commercial confidentiality and the fact that the cost of providing this information was over the prescribed monetary limit.

"This decision was appealed to the information commissioner who then considered this appeal and we accept his decision."

The full article contains 681 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Peter 100,

07/02/2007 12:14:21

If the council have nothing to hide, then why won't they answer the question

2

yoyo,

07/02/2007 12:20:06

Poor and petty politics from a poor and petty council, I hope Farmer exposes it for what it is. Secondly what's the point of having freedom of information, if it's not going to made avaiable.

3

Alberto Kiddio,

07/02/2007 12:22:30

Shock Horror!!!
The council bends over backwards to help out the Jambos(Handshake,rolled up breechs)but go out of their way to hinder Hibs' planning for land development.

Maroon Masonic Maties.

4

Jingling Geordie,

Debt free Leith 07/02/2007 12:25:11

#1 Peter.

The council very obviously have something to hide, Sir Tom is no fool so let's hope he pushes his investigation all the way.

5

John Knox for First Meenister,

High St, Embra 07/02/2007 12:26:20

Kiddio, away and enjoy the butterfly park.

6

Paul Voltaire,

www.paulvoltaire.spaces.live.com 07/02/2007 12:27:10

The council should provide this information now.
Who DO they think they are??

7

Alberto Kiddio,

07/02/2007 12:28:35

#5
Lets drag the Reformation into Fitbaw,eh?

Away back to your Den of Religious Intolerance.

Bye Bye.

8

yoyo,

07/02/2007 12:32:28

Can someone ask information commissioner Kevin Dunion what team he supports!!!!!

9

Spondoolicks,

07/02/2007 12:33:47

Someone will leak the information.

If the Sun can get the cockpit video from the Americans then it won't be long until this small matter comes to light.

In fact

Couldn't the Evening News get an exclusive - got to be worth a couple of grand to the right person and help with circulation too!

10

derekh,

07/02/2007 12:45:39

Oh yeah, the council blocked it all because they don't like Hibs, but bend over backwards to help Hearts. Very likely.

Hearts have been trying to either move or redevelop Tynecastle for years and have been blocked by the council on numerous occasions. Hardly the sign of a biased council !!!

FOI requests can be blocked on grounds of commercial sensitivity and financial deals are always likely to fall into this category. Try reading up on regulations before petty "what team does he support" or even more ridiculous "masonic" accusations.

11

cs.ferguson,

07/02/2007 12:48:25

well done the jambo cooncil,looks like the tyreboy want be able too build anymore shoe boxes in lochend.

12

John Knox for First Meenister,

High St, Embra 07/02/2007 12:49:16

Ach Kiddio, a butterfly park sounds great. Sweetness and light to you and yours. Now I must be getting on, there are unbelievers to root out....

13

neil f,

07/02/2007 12:54:15

Never take a farmer on....

14

Gordonzola,

West Lothian 07/02/2007 12:55:42

Maybe Cllr Tom Ponton can table a motion?

15

Bill C,

07/02/2007 12:59:10

Whether or not there has been dodgy dealings and brown envelopes is now irrelevant as long as there are grounds for thinking that thre might be. The Council should have nothing to hide. Asd for commercial sensitivity, just black out the numbers, it's the words that are important here.
But frankly, just how much more muck can you get on this Council's midden as the former head cockerel crows from the top of this municipal dug heap.

16

104 years in a row!!,

07/02/2007 12:59:16

Expand the stadium? You can't even fill Fester Road at the moment and this is your most successful season since 1902.

17

Tormod,

Edinburgh 07/02/2007 13:03:27

Shock horror Edinburgh City cooncil have made mistakes involving taxpayers money, should we be shocked etc. The council should have sold the ground to hibs they would have spent money on developing the site that would have been used by the hibs and the public. But that's far too common sense

So what has happend to the site now??

Who would like to wager that the other mob are going to put the land up for sale in a couple of years and make a huge profit! So the council employ people who are supposed to have the interests of the city as their first loyalty aha!!

GGTTH

18

Alberto Kiddio,

07/02/2007 13:08:47

#16
Think Saughton Enclosure.
Think multi multi million pound debts.
Think before you type.
Think before you drink,before you drive!

19

WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE THE HEARTS,

07/02/2007 13:18:33

Kiddio.....

Roses are red, voilets are blue

Now go and boil your heid

Tom Ponton is on the council and he is hardly helping us is he!!

20

Alberto Kiddio,

07/02/2007 13:21:43

#19

That is the worst attempt at poetry since Pam Ayres tried free-basing.

21

vankas,

28 million reasons to laugh 07/02/2007 13:23:17

It could be worse at least Hibs have a proper business running unlike the Eastern Europeans across the city.

22

Aesop,

Leith 07/02/2007 13:28:18

Why dont the Council just sell off the whole of Edinburgh while they're at it. This piece of land - like all the land they sell off to private developers - was owned by all of us not them. But those elected lowlifes in the City Chambers dont seem to understand this basic fact.

23

Scaramouche,

07/02/2007 13:30:12

Not surprised at this with the number of Jambos who are councillors.

Remember many of them backed Wallace Mercenary's idea of buying over Hibs to extinguish them too.

Go for it, Sir Tom. Demand answers!

24

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07/02/2007 13:30:49
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25

104 years in a row!!,

07/02/2007 13:31:33

believe me no 18 I would rather be at saughton enclosure supporting Hearts than stepping foot in fester road every second saturday.

26

Jakey Rowling,

07/02/2007 13:32:08

Farmer's chasing the council for info on the Lochend butterfly deal.
It's an admiral thing to do, you red it here first.

27

East at Easter,

07/02/2007 13:32:23

Easter Road is a stadium, HOMFC and their scabby Wester Hailes, transportable pink bus shelter is an utter joke and an insult to football stadia.

28

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07/02/2007 13:35:11
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29

PC Plod,

07/02/2007 13:37:24

time this 'commercial confidentiality' get out clause for all dodgy labour (and other) dealings was disallowed - come on Kevin; do you job and stop bending over for the labour party crooks who gave you your 80K plus a year, cushy position

30

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07/02/2007 13:44:41
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31

Ian Mc.,

Edinburgh 07/02/2007 14:02:22

#26 Commenting on your own posts now?

I suppose it's one way to make people think there's any interest in your POV ;)

32

DC,

07/02/2007 14:04:44

#26 - one Scottish Cup. Debt £28m and rising. £10m wage bill. Sounds like a good business plan. Yamanomics at its best.

Btw, be pretty odd if there were many Hibbies at last year's Cup Final, seeing as how the finalists were some pub team against a second division team.

We might have been there if we hadn't be forced to field our third team in the semi, mind.

33

Kenny 07,

07/02/2007 14:05:14

104 years in a row!! said :
"believe me no 18 I would rather be at saughton enclosure supporting Hearts than stepping foot in fester road every second saturday."

You're wish will be granted sooner than you think!

34

Big Mo,

Capital City 07/02/2007 14:05:25

#17. I case you have not noticed, the site is already being developed and the flats will be on sale before the end of the year.

35

bikerider1,

07/02/2007 15:29:10

#14 i doubt if tom ponton could pass a motion

36

theman,

the 'ferry 07/02/2007 15:35:20

I suppose that's an automatic reaction to being rejected - blame the folk that rejected your proposal and ask for the paperwork because they cannot possibly be right.

Tom Farmer - you have only done this to get in the paper.

37

Andy M,

Edinburgh 07/02/2007 15:38:13

My My, you Hibs fans ahev so much to look forward to, yet all you do all day is bitch about Hearts.

Your hatred of Hearts comes across so much more than your love of Hibs. Get a life, you could be on for the double!

38

BEEFY,

Nearer Tynie than I'd like 07/02/2007 15:40:42

I seem to recall the Council giving Hearts an extension to their deadline for keeping the rubbish tip that was the Gorgie Road end open, whilst Hibs were given no such extension at ER.

39

DC,

07/02/2007 16:28:41

#34 - we don't HATE the Yams, they are just a constant source of innocent mirth for us. Everyone likes a good disaster movie and Jongleurs FC is vintage car crash at the moment.

You're right, we Hibbies have a great deal to which to look forward, but we don't mind taking a few moments out from admiring our flair, style, general all-round good-guys excellence and status as Edinburgh's No 1 to have a wee chuckle or three at the Gorski Vladsheep :-)

40

Jim W,

07/02/2007 16:40:40

Council cover up. It seems that they have made a big mess of this and don't want it publicised. I hope STF keeps chipping away at them as this type of nonsense needs to be stopped.

Turn down a deal which would have probably made them the same amount of money and also provided community leisure facilities in favour of just the money???

Yep that's in the city's interests?

Or maybe STF didn't offer brown envelopes?

41

Ticcychick,

Sunny Morningside 07/02/2007 16:43:32

C'mon the Hoops

42

Jockyw,

07/02/2007 17:58:47

Well done Tom for exposing the crooks at the council.

Where did the 12 million go, another good story waiting in the wings. It has corruption to the scale of Nigeria written all over it.

43

monthehearts,

07/02/2007 18:12:38

wtf were hibs gonna build on this land they cant sell out games as it is!!! a big case of the wee team syndrome i think

44

brettgallacher,

07/02/2007 19:24:22

£600 for a report of cheating millions wasted on their flawed policy ie road charging giving everybodys house over to carpet baggers like dunedin it probably cost over £600 to feed these folk at the meeting to decide this

45

jet ski jambo,

wonderful edinburgh 07/02/2007 20:05:50

could STF be trying to cover up he made a james hunt of the bidding process

46

Ramallah Hibbie,

Ramallah , West Bank 08/02/2007 06:21:35

And I thought we had a few problems with dodgy councillers here

47

Crabbitt,

East Edinburgh 08/02/2007 09:28:47

Definitely something amiss here. How often do terms like commercial confidentiality get rolled out when there's something to hide.

I know there is a hearts bias on the council but when it costs public money to foster there prejudice that's taking it too far. Still we can all register our protest in May.

48

Paranoid Underachiever,

Leith 08/02/2007 10:10:46

Can we get the names of these councilors who knocked back the Hibs bid so we can vote against them at the forthcoming local elections?


 

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