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Published Date:
25 October 2007
THE controversial practice of transferring tonnes of crude oil between tankers will not be covered by a UK Marine Bill, it emerged yesterday, sparking fury among environmentalists.
It was expected that the bill would regulate industry in the sea and ensure that potentially hazardous activities were carried out in the most appropriate place.

This issue has been highlighted by the lack of regulations covering a proposal to tr
ansfer Russian crude in the Firth of Forth, where any spill could harm important seabird colonies, whales, dolphins and other wildlife.

Environmental groups yesterday said ship-to-ship transfer should be "one of the first things" covered by a Marine Bill, and its absence exposed the UK Parliament's white paper, published in March, on the subject as a "public-relations exercise".

There is mounting concern about delays in introducing new marine legislation and that any subsequent bill will fail adequately to protect the environment, amounting to little more than a "manifesto for further exploitation of the sea".

A spokeswoman for the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) told The Scotsman: "It is not for the Marine Bill to make changes to controls over ship-to-ship transfers, and it will not.

"Regulation of those activities would be the subject of legislation relating to merchant shipping, the responsibility of the Department for Transport. They are currently regulated by the Maritime and Coastguard Agency.

"The Marine Bill will not address merchant shipping or the activities of the Maritime and Coastguard Agency."

The white paper also appears to rule out the entire oil and gas sector, suggesting the Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (BERR, formerly the Department for Trade and Industry, or DTI), will be in charge, but it is written in vague terms.

It says: "The oil and gas sector will, of course, feature in and take account of marine plans when making licensing and consenting decisions. But in the absence of any compelling evidence that the current system is failing, on balance we believe that the resources we have available are best directed at introducing other reforms that will bring greater benefits."

Dr Richard Dixon, of WWF, a member of the Scottish Government marine advisory group, AGMACS, that published its landmark report this year, said it made no sense to exclude marine activities from a Marine Bill. He said the "logical position" was that ship-to-ship transfers should be covered by a Marine Bill, but this was "part of the ongoing battle DEFRA has been having with the DTI" (now BERR) for years.

"Particularly with oil and gas licensing offshore, they don't want to give it up," he said. "The reason we are in a mess is two Whitehall departments are still squabbling. If you ask any person in the street to have a think about what should be included, they would come to the conclusion the whole point of the system is to include everything so you can weigh things up.

"The fact we are excluding anything at all is really very silly. In principle terms, it is completely daft to continue to have parallel systems."

A spokesman for the Scottish Green Party said: "It exposes the public-relations exercise they are engaged in with the marine white paper.

"It suggests a Marine Bill that's simply there to make it appear the government is going to do something about the complete mess of the laws governing the seas.

"Ship-to-ship should be one of the first things in there. This is the whole point of it: to draw together all the disparate laws governing the seas to co-ordinate them and ensure there is a sensible management plan."

Calum Duncan, of the Marine Conservation Society, said that, while both the UK and Scottish governments had promised to introduce Marine Bills, the devil would be in the detail.

"UK Marine Bills will have failed if they only provide a manifesto for further exploitation of the sea without the checks in place to safeguard the marine eco-system on which this depends," he said.

Joining battle for the seas

THE Scotsman is campaigning for a "devolution of the seas" to give the Scottish Government control of conservation matters out to the boundary with international waters.

At present Scotland is in charge of conservation to 12 nautical miles, with the UK in charge from 12 to 200 miles.

It appears the UK and Scottish governments will introduce separate marine bills, creating two marine management organisations (MMOs) for each area. However, Scotland has some responsibilities out to 200 miles, such as fishing, while Westminster is in control of reserved matters, including oil, within the 12-mile zone.

Westminster may be reluctant to hand over so much power over issues like oil and gas, but the UK MMO could potentially act as a court of appeal on reserved matters.



The full article contains 818 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

druidh,

25/10/2007 00:19:35

Why can this power not simply be devolved immediately?

2

I'm no really here,

25/10/2007 01:34:50

How long will it be before people see that ONLY Scotland has Scotland's interests at heart - and then, only the SNP.

3

Sierra Foothills Scot,

25/10/2007 02:00:19

#2 Druidh

Not ONLY the SNP has Scotland's interests at heart. I understand that the nascent Scottish Enterprise Party, which is still small (but it did field some list candidates in the May elections) supports independence and the Scottish economy, but NOT remaining in the EU. It advocates remaining in the European Ecomomic Area (EEA). See http://www.scottishenterprisepay.org/

4

Faye,

25/10/2007 02:22:31

The SNP should show who runs the country. These transfers are really bad. What is SNP waiting for?

An Exon disaster?

5

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA ...hey... vote Hillary Clinton 4 Pres 25/10/2007 03:09:57

Green fury as oil transfers are ruled out of Marine Bill
-------------------------------------------------

What will or can the SNP do ..

Will...nothing

Do...nothing


The SNP* is a pip squeak org.

And like the air balloons we fly in, over Murrieta, the SNP is full of HOT AIR. dudes.

SleazeNationalParty*.

GC

6

Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/10/2007 05:47:32

Defra strike again.

7

Guga II,

Rockall 25/10/2007 06:12:15

The colonial power riding roughshod over the colonies once again.

Saor Alba.

8

Ted,

25/10/2007 06:40:48

You realise you lot don't help the nationalist cause with the "only the SNP can save us from this massive disaster" type lines in here?

I'm in favour of independence, I voted SNP/Green last time, but seriously, if anything drives me back to Unionism (just kidding, as if) it'd be the utter weirdness that you lot convey about your politics.

Can you chill out, please?

9

scottish person,

paisley 25/10/2007 07:23:02

#5 Why dont you stop posting, you are the only pipsqueak I have came across. The SNP are the only party who have shown any interest in Scotland in the last 8 years. I think you must be English or Dougie bunnies pal.

10

Jay Kay,

Burntisland 25/10/2007 07:26:35

The greens didnt seriously think they had a chance of winning this did they, the world is ruled by the powerful oil companies they can do what ever the hell they want and there is no one to stop them.

Where are you superman when we need you most.

11

inter alia,

25/10/2007 07:47:35

#10: Jay Kay: Well said.

12

Cadgers,

Perth 25/10/2007 07:56:53

#9 Dinnae fash lofty, GC's the pet loon :-)

13

honest, jock,

Leith 25/10/2007 08:36:17

4

This is not a devolved matter unfortunately. Yet another reason why we should have been Independent years ago and yes it may very well take an Exxon type accident to get this so called Labour party to act in the best interests of the envoirnment instead of big business.

14

honest, jock,

Leith 25/10/2007 08:37:35

5

Dont you think there are enough trolls on here already without you posting like a pleb?

15

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 25/10/2007 09:43:38

#4:

"These transfers are really bad. What is SNP waiting for?

An Exon disaster?"

Just why are these transfers "really bad" Faye? The chances of anything going wrong are so small as to be insignificant.

If they don't do oil transfers in the Forth, where are they going to do them? Or are you one of those people who thinks that oil transfers shouldn't happen at all and we should have no oil?

Trillions of barrels of oil have been transferred at Milford Haven over the last few decades and very little has gone wrong. What makes you think that the Forth will be any different?

At last someone has seen sense and kicked the ill-informed into touch regarding this issue.

Oh and by the way, Exon Valdez spilt oil because she ran aground, not because a transfer went wrong. She hit a reef. There are no reefs around the Forth area. The estury is wide, deep and well marked.

16

Yada,

25/10/2007 10:47:35

"THE controversial practice of transferring tonnes of crude oil between tankers will not be covered by a UK Marine Bill, it emerged yesterday, sparking fury among environmentalists. "
Oh, good! Anything that p****s off the Nutters has to be good news!
The chances of anything going wrong are non-existent to virtually non-existent and even if it does the effects are NEVER as bad as the enviro-tw*ts like to claim.
Get a life.

17

Vlad Tepes,

Snagov 25/10/2007 11:12:57

15 & 16 You guys are pretty gullible. Try this for starters. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/63...
"The chances of anything going wrong are non-existent to virtually non-existent" lol you muppet.

18

James C,

25/10/2007 11:31:35

Vlad Tepes,
Pray tell just how much experience you have in the Oil industry and specifically just how many STS operations have you been involved in?
Ship to ship transfers go on dozens of times a day all over in the world. In UK waters the practice exists West of Shetland, in the North Sea, in the Irish Sea, in Scapa Flow, off Ireland and in the Channel - all on a daily basis.
Are people forgetting that there is also an oil terminal at Hound Point. Funny how it hasn't had a big spill eh?
With regard to this subject I'd be surprised if ANY of those who hue and cry have any experience or knowledge of the subject and rely wholeheartedly on soundbites and hysteria from the Green Nutters and the tabloid press.

19

Klaus Dubois,

Edinburgh 25/10/2007 12:05:55

I have to disagree with a lot of the viewpoints expressed by 'environmentalists' here. Oil is a naturally occurring 'organic' product. If you sift out the 'nutter' output you'll find that the longterm 'disasters' predicted from the Exxon Valdez, Torrey canyon, et al never actually manifested themselves. This is good work for the country. I'm genuinely scared of the looney tune policies that will send us down the road of being a subservient call centre/tourism dependent economy. If you can transfer oil safely for decades in Scapa Flow, then there's no reason why it can't be done in the Forth.

20

Meths Rides Again™,

25/10/2007 14:10:36

The SNP really have got this wrong

21

Me and my mutt,

Edinburgh 25/10/2007 15:48:02

#15 Ill-informed?
'There are no reefs around the Forth area. The estury(sic) is wide, deep and well marked.'

Please check Admiralty charts before kicking off. The estuary is wide; it is not deep, except for two main marked channels: on the whole it is shallow, the channels are delimited by submerged reefs and rocks, and are hazardous.

Children think that the water is flat and even all the way across, but adults can help educate them.

22

James C,

25/10/2007 16:26:17

#21,
That's if you are going all the way upriver or are straying close to Fidra or Fife Ness. In the former case you will be under compulsory pilotage by a local river pilot, the latter is pretty much irrelevant because there are standing orders as to how close tankers are allowed to approach the aforementioned.
The STS operations are planned for Largo bay - which is well out of the way of the shallows farther up the estuary/river.
Valdez is a MUCH MUCH trickier place to get in and out of than the Forth ever will be - I've been there.

23

barbour,

Perthshire 25/10/2007 17:53:55

James C
Please stop clouding the issue with facts and/or common sense,you are dealing with folk who would not know what RAS operation if it got up and bit their a*** The only "chart" 21 has probably seen is a music chart.Let them alone,they are happy in their ignorance.

24

James C,

25/10/2007 18:04:48

barbour,
Should really confuse them with all these TLA's, otherwise they might just throw the TOOTP.
If you're ex RFA/RN you'll know what I mean LOL.
I'll try not to let facts get in the way of a good argument in future!

25

barbour,

Perthshire 25/10/2007 18:15:44

James C
good man,must go time for sippers,still miss the tot though.

26

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA ...hey... vote Hillary Clinton 4 Pres 25/10/2007 20:47:42

14. honest, jock, Leith / 9:37am 25 Oct 2007 5

Dont you think there are enough trolls on here already without you posting like a pleb?

_-------------------------------------------

hey HJL Dude,

I am not certain about the meaning of TROLL, except that its a weird looking doll from a Scandanavian country (so I was told).

But what do U mean by pleb ?

See dude I am not as well educated in the local dielect as U seem to be..

There's a good chap...Old Bean............. (as Dragonhead says)

GC

27

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA ...hey... vote Hillary Clinton 4 Pres 25/10/2007 20:57:03

14. honest, jock, Leith / 9:37am 25 Oct 2007
-------------------------------------------------

Oh another thing Dude,

Since I was reared in a soceity where personal freedom of expression is the #1 rule.

And all citizens can vote their minds.

I find it surprising that some posters here , show a leaning toward the opposite.

So I would suggest those people immigrate to CHINA or Burma to join Dragonhead, and his communist buddies there.

GC

GC

28

James C,

25/10/2007 22:13:29

GC,
With Freedom of Speech comes an obligtion to use it responsibly.
Making a connection between someone asking that the obligation be observed and conditions in China/Burma is quite absurd.
By the way, we all know that FOS in the US is ok as long as you're a Republic/Democrat - anyone else is treated like a loony and treated as such.

29

double scotch,

U.S.A. 25/10/2007 22:26:39

#9 GC is a real sweetie, a dopehead yes, but we love him. Sometimes he really hits the nail on the head so just "Let him Be":)


 

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