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Published Date: 13 March 2009
COMMUTERS on the Forth Road Bridge face major disruption during changes to a key junction as part of building the replacement crossing.
Transport Scotland believes rebuilding the Ferrytoll interchange just north of the bridges will be the most difficult part of the entire £2.3 billion scheme, The Scotsman has learned.

Project manager Lawrence Shackman said remodelling the junction where roads from the two bridges meet may be "more complicated and challenging than the bridge itself".

He said traffic on the A90 would have to be kept flowing during construction work and access maintained for cars and buses using the 1,000-space park-and-ride site beside the interchange.

Connecting roads will account for one-third of the project's total cost. The work will involve moving the dual carriageway from flowing towards the bridge to flowing on to the new crossing, which is due to open in late 2016.

Traffic using the current bridge – which will be restricted to buses and taxis – will use new slip roads at Ferrytoll to leave and join the A90. Buses will be allowed to use hard shoulders on the A90, and M90 to the north, to beat queues.

The A90 will also be widened to three lanes in each direction for a mile north to the Admiralty junction.

Motoring groups last night said traffic must be kept moving at all costs once construction of the new bridge starts in two years' time.

Nearly 70,000 vehicles a day use the current bridge, with southbound queues in the morning rush hour often tailing back well beyond Ferrytoll.

Neil Greig, director of policy and research for the Institute of Advanced Motorists' Motoring Trust, said: "Nothing is ever easy at the Forth Road Bridge.

"There is no alternative to keeping the traffic moving at Ferrytoll, and Transport Scotland must find innovative solutions to the problem.

"As the current tram roadworks in Edinburgh show, drivers soon lose patience with a long-term project if it brings years of travel misery before the benefits are delivered."

Philip Gomm, a spokesman for the Royal Automobile Club Foundation, said: "What hard-pressed Scottish motorists want more than anything is certainty. The key to this will be to set a firm timescale for these complex works and then leave road users in no doubt of what lies in store for them during the course of the project.

"If, after the work has started, unforeseen problems arise, there must be enough flexibility in the plan to allow it to adapt to keep traffic moving.

"During the tender process, Transport Scotland should ensure those bidding for the contract preferably have a proven record in delivering this type of complicated scheme."

Mr Shackman, who was speaking at a transport engineering conference in Glasgow, also revealed that a parliamentary bill for the scheme will be lodged at Holyrood in November.

He said the new bridge was likely to be floodlit from the windshielding, which will protect its carriageways so all vehicles can continue crossing during high winds.

Alan Seywright, project director for Jacobs Arup, a consortium of consultants overseeing the scheme, told the conference the "most challenging" aspect of the bridge itself was the southernmost of its three towers, whose base would be 130ft below the waterline because of the water and mud depth.

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  • Last Updated: 12 March 2009 11:26 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Forth Bridges
 
1

Fifi la Bonbon,

13/03/2009 00:17:23
Listen to all this dramatic blather!

"...roadworks from hell..."

"...major disruption..."

"...traffic must be kept moving at all costs..."

"...years of travel misery..."

"...hard-pressed Scottish motorists..."

All this is about is that people who live in Fife and want to drive in to work might have to add fifteen minutes or so and wait in longer queues. It isn't the end of the world. It's just that there will be roadworks.

If they don't want to have to deal with this sort of thing they shouldn't have gone to live in Fife.
2

Forward not Back,

13/03/2009 00:23:48
I think people in Fife realise there will be disruption. It is better than having no bridge at all.
3

Fifi la Bonbon,

13/03/2009 00:39:44
It's not people who live in Fife that are whingeing, its the headline writer in this paper and the various officials who work for "motoring organisations."
4

allknowing,

13/03/2009 00:45:23
Good, keep those pesky fifers over in their kingdom, and will save me time on Queensferry Road.

What are they like, coming over here, using our roads, polluting our air, and causing all sort of smells.
5

truthsleuth,

13/03/2009 01:02:35
An absolute waste of public money
£2.3billion - and the rest.

Moaning petrolheads unite.
6

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 13/03/2009 06:18:30
It's vital to be thinking inside the box before venturing out. Japan, and for that matter Norway (or France), have built n number of bridges, tunnels, ferry links, railways without ensuing merry chaos.

When you have your own national currency and government, these things are possible, or not.

There's a perfectly good railway bridge but no decent electric trains crossing it. That could take motorists from the commuting loop if there was a decent transport link - electric buses, taxis - at the Edinburgh end.
7

Incandescent,

13/03/2009 06:57:08
Visitors from around the world must wonder why the bridge is nose to tail each day, yet there is not a single commuter transport vessel crossing the water. Of course, they won't understand the "natural heritage" implications of building anything on the shores, or that the Forth itself is apparently one of the most treacherous bodies of water in existence.
8

JG,

Fife 13/03/2009 08:05:34
#4 all knowing
That is the problem - all of those former Edinburgh dwellers looking for cheaper property, emigrating to the Kingdom then complaining because the Bridge traffic is so busy. Did nobody realise that was what would happen?
9

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 13/03/2009 08:06:07
At Seafield the council have promoted changing a single roundabout to traffic lights with huge congestion and disruption for no good reason.

It started om 6th June last year and at least they have admitted got this wrong.

"Marshall Poulton admitted his staff "got it wrong" on work to remove the Seafield roundabout at Portobello. The project is now expected to be finished by April 3 – six months later than planned. "

One roundabout, planned for 3 montghs, taking 3 times that.

There is no hope this bunch of incompetents can deliver the tram along Princes St and Leith Walk.
10

The Ghost of Sir William Arrol,

The Forthy Bridge 13/03/2009 08:28:43
What is the new bridge going to carry? In 5 years time peak oil will have made commuting by car uneconomic. They'd be better electrifying the railway and getting freight off the road and onto rail if they want to invest in the future. A new road bridge is a waste of money when the fuel sources to sustain traffic volumes will not be available!
11

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 13/03/2009 09:25:43
'Roadworks from Hell' - why on earth has Mr Dalton dredged this cliche out of the tabloid sub-editors lexicon of bulls-hit for works that will be, by their very nature, entirely 'off-line'. Apart from construction traffic, the only impact on the existing network will be the tie-ins to the current links.
12

Mcsnagpile,

13/03/2009 09:31:23
The Scotsman has written all the editorials for the future bridge. Just pull off the shelf as required. Over budget, Over traffic, Over time, Over here.

Invest in a we haime in South Queensferry for fresh daily stour. En suite helipad.
13

Weel Kent Jambo,

13/03/2009 09:39:07
#15 - Maybe they could run the trams over it thus ensuring several more years of traffic chaos in and around Scotland's capital city?

#14 Seem to remember it took them ages to the same a bit further out at Fort Kinnaird. All that for a bus priority scheme.
14

Mark Insch,

13/03/2009 09:44:13
#4
Fife was a better place before all these bridges were built and filled up with interlopers - Fife for the Fifers I say - about time we returned to how things were - back to a true (& independent!?!) 'Kingdom of Fife'!
15

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 13/03/2009 09:58:57
Fife, like Portobello, is a state of mind, and of course, part of the Pictish Republican Confederation as detailed in kingdoms, counties, islands as you see them.

Our day is now !
16

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 13/03/2009 09:59:01
15 The Ghost
"In 5 years time peak oil will have made commuting by car uneconomic."

Maybe but maybe not. There are about a dozen companies working on developing a biofuel from algae - this produces a much better yield than other biofuels. It has been calculated that the USA could produce all of its required fuel needs from just 0.2% of its land mass.

As algae absorb carbon dioxide as they grow, using oil from algae is carbon neutral. Also as only sunlight and sea water are required, many areas of desert in New Mexico, Arizona can produce it if sea water is pumped there.

Up till now there have been concerns about the cost but one company, Aurora, reckon that they can produce it for $50 per barrel - not much higher than the current oil price and well below prices seen in recent months.
17

Publius,

London 13/03/2009 10:05:26
Some random jottings.

1. Why should the new bridge cost 2.3 billion pounds? The Italian government reckons that the proposed bridge to Sicily would cost 6 billion Euros, but it will be a lot longer than the Forth Road Bridge, will have six lanes of traffic (not four) and two railway tracks, and it will be earthquake-proofed.
2. There should be tolls on both the existing bridge and the new one. They may not pay for building costs but they wil go towards maintenance...
3. ...Some of the comments on the board about commuters from Fife are OTT, but there is no reason why they should be subsidised by a free crossing across the Forth.
18

noswod,

Honestas 13/03/2009 10:12:02
Call the French tae build the bridge the Millau bridge only cost 500m Euro (correct) not £2.3bn, add another 500m for building t'aw toors in the water a Forth road brig for 1000m Euro not £2.3bn. They would probadly build it for free for a 30 year franchise at a £1 a car each way. Dear SNP theres nay such thing as a free brig why should we a pay for it so people who live in Fife can have a free ride each day. Bring back the Ferries "let them eat Scot Rail" if they want to work in Edinburgh and commute frae Fife.
19

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 13/03/2009 10:17:58
22 Publius
The situation is, I believe, a real pig's ear of a compromise. The present bridge is often congested. The new one is also going to be only 4 lane so that will be equally congested. The plan is to put buses onto the existing bridge but if you travel on it you will see that there are hardly any buses - maybe one every 20/30 minutes or so and none at night.

So we are going to have an equally congested new bridge and expensively maintained old bridge for the very occasional bus. If money is tight for the new bridge why not raise money by tolls to provide a proper bridge that will do the job - that is the common practice all over the world. But we can't have that because of the Scottish govt's gimmicky policy of abolishing bridge tolls.
20

Man of Reason,

13/03/2009 10:31:30
Bit of a lazy article this - doesn't go into any the actual issues in any detail, just quotes a lot of people moaning!
21

QueenofScots,

London 13/03/2009 10:38:12
Enough of this anti Fife talk, Scotland is one nation so unite and moan together not about each other.
22

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 13/03/2009 10:42:21
The new bridge is basically to carry road freight and 2 lanes should be quite sufficient. The existing road bridge could carry cars and last the duration when you reject silly ideas of a tram line across it or even buses. This would wear the thing out.
23

Jambo-ree,

13/03/2009 10:45:27
#22 Re your point 2 - Based on cost per mile, the most expensive bit of road in the UK is the Limehouse Link in London's eastend so why no tolls on that?

#24 Beats me why the old bridge is apparently going to be restricted to public transport when there already is a dedicated rail bridge. Ban buses that will just cause more congestion in western and central Edinburgh, get folk on the train and get a decent ferry service like Sydney has.
24

Jeanseb,

edinburgh 13/03/2009 11:24:49
Maybe they should put a tramway instead??

And of course, displaying dummy tramways in the city to show evryone what a tramway is.
25

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 13/03/2009 11:34:16
28 Jambo-ree
You can hardly complain about the lack of tolls on a London road when vehicles there have to £5 every time they enter the city centre. Have you never heard of the congestion charge?
26

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 13/03/2009 11:57:04
QueenofScots,"Enough of this anti Fife talk, Scotland is one nation so unite and moan together not about each other". Good post.
Scotland needs decent infrastructure on the eastern seaboard as all but one of our cities is there (Aberdeen, Inverness, Dundee, Dunfermline and Edinburgh). All this talk of a bridge being just for the people of Fife is nonsense.
As far as tolls go, every motorist already pays tax on fuel and car duty and just because a bridge happens to be involved it doesn't mean that a toll has to be considered. If you argue for tolls on bridges, you can't really argue against tolls on ALL roads.
Enjoy our country. Be happy that motorists are being treated fairly (at long last).
Scotland has only recently rid itself of its remaining tolls - why do we have people complaining about it?
27

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 13/03/2009 12:08:48
31
Its not a matter of complaining about the abolition of tolls. It is a matter of making sure that the new bridge is up to the job and not a cheap solution which does not deal properly with the situation.

The Scottish govt say they do not have enough money for a proper 6 lane bridge so they are going for a cheaper option which is not a good solution. In this situation why not charge tolls so that a proper infrastructure project can be built rather than lumbering us with a poor option.
28

Arfur,

13/03/2009 12:30:31
Headline should read - commuters can still get accross to work with crossing still available.
29

Mark Insch,

13/03/2009 12:35:12
#26 "Enough of this anti Fife talk"

- should think so too - if all non-Fifers would just stay on their own banks of the Forth & Tay... well...we can maybe restore Fife to the paradise it once was - the fact that the River Eden is named such isn't just coincidence you know!

#31 "All this talk of a bridge being just for the people of Fife is nonsense"

Too true - as implied above - we could live very happily without bridges (unless used as a sort of passport control, maybe?)!
30

Mikko,

13/03/2009 13:06:31
"The work will involve moving the dual carriageway from flowing towards the bridge to flowing on to the new crossing, which is due to open in late 2016."

So we'll expect something by 2025 £8 billion over budget.
31

snoozyowl,

13/03/2009 16:59:40
As long as the rather likely overruns of cost are borne by Scotland's taxpayers, fine. If the overruns get shoved onto the general UK budget you can expect a big fight with the next Westminster government. Scotland has a reputation for poor arge project cost control and related political game playing and people will be watching hard to ensure that this bridge is built to cost and spec. And on time.
32

Desmo,

l 13/03/2009 18:43:05
#15

If Sir William Arrol was alive today, he`d kick seven shades out of you for putting the bunkum you post, regularly, anywhere near his name.
33

The new waspy,

13/03/2009 19:24:30
#34
Good post for a "loon" and while we are at it would it not be feasible for more people who have office jobs etc to work from home visiting the office only when needed.
Would take care of lot of transport problems as well as child care for families.
34

fife runner,

14/03/2009 06:09:31
it is not only about commuters. the A90/M90 is a main commercial route serving the whole of the East of Scotland. Are some posters saying hang the Bridge and let all traffic go west then turn at Kincardine or Stirling before going north? In which case it serves Edinburgh and the surrounds as a main business thoroughfare.

35

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 14/03/2009 09:20:01
25 Man of Reason

"... lot of people moaning"

But is that not the Scots mindset for the most part - wingeing, whining, the gritting of teeth in impotent rage?

Always has been, always will be.
36

Tartan Viking,

14/03/2009 11:22:01
You should try travelling on the M8 - that REALLY is the road from hell. It is constantly clogged up and the stretch around Newhouse etc is full of potholes. A nightmare.
Mind you. the best thing to come out of Glasgow is the M8 to Edinburgh.
37

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 14/03/2009 11:32:51
I think interupting the tidal flow of the Forth by a big causeway is not a good idea. What would be the consequencies? It's alot of weight of water to divert from its usual channel and flood relief mechanisms.

So I'd go for a plain ornery brige to take HGVs off the current suspension bridge.

 

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