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Published Date:
20 May 2007
THEY'VE decided to give war a chance. In a bizarre development straight out of Monty Python's Life Of Brian, a bitter conflict has erupted among the normally peace-loving activists of the colourful and ramshackle anti-Trident camp near Helensburgh.
Instead of their usual earnest debate on how to turn missiles into ploughshares, the sandal-wearing, dreadlocked and holey-jumpered denizens of the camp are locked in a dispute that makes the MoD look positively pacifist.

A group of older protesters appear to be locked in a power struggle with a younger, more focused and media-savvy gang of recent arrivals. The air is thick with a crossfire of claim and counter-claim about thefts, intimidation and character assassination.

The peace protesters' row over what to do about Holy Loch has become so unholy that the police - who normally stand guard at the gates to Faslane - have visited the camp to talk to campaigners.

It may even be the case that the protesters are too busy fighting each other to combat the evils of the military-industrial complex.

Police insiders say there have been at least two days where dozens of officers were on duty outside Faslane and not a single protester turned up.

The original Faslane Peace Camp was set up in 1982 in protest at the government's decision to base the country's Trident nuclear submarine fleet there. There have been numerous large-scale protests and several high-profile arrests, including those of Tommy Sheridan and George Galloway.

However, last year, news of Whitehall's decision to renew the multibillion-pound defence plan prompted the creation of a new anti-nuclear group. Called the 365 Project, the aim was to hold a year-long protest outside the base.

But their arrival at Faslane, initially welcomed by existing camp members, has led to a rift between "senior" campaigners and the new residents.

The only camp resident to speak openly about the dispute is Monica Ridley, who has been a peace protestor for 30 years and has been at Faslane on and off for a decade. She told Scotland on Sunday: "These people [the 365 Project] are not interested in peace and protesting for it. They are only interested in power. What sort of message does that give out to the world in general?

"They are doing to me what they are accusing Tony Blair and George Bush of over Trident. They are treating me in the same way. Whatever morals they had, if they had any, seem to have gone out of the window. This is not about peace, it is about control."

Ridley claims she and her friends have been subjected to bullying and intimidation by several recently arrived protestors, saying:

• 365 Project members surrounded her and attempted to order her off the camp;

• She has been labelled "mentally ill" as part of a character assassination campaign by her enemies;

• Her caravan has been raided, items, including tea, coffee, biscuits and chocolate, have been stolen and other personal possessions, such as her crutches and haversack, have been tampered with;

• Plastic pots containing her home-grown vegetables have been deliberately overturned.

An ally of Ridley's backed her account but asked not to be identified. The peace campaigner says he was forced to leave the camp recently after suffering what he described as a campaign of intimidation.

He said of Ridley: "She has been picked on for dissenting. She has spent many, many years in the peace movement, yet what has gone on with her is an affront to the peace movement."

A spokesman for the 365 Project, who also requested anonymity, denied any wrongdoing on their part and insisted there was no civil war at the camp. He claimed the dispute was only about one "unwell" woman refusing to accept the majority view of the camp that she should leave. He said the lack of protestors at the gate on some days was because they were working a "shift system".

"Everyone will tell you that Monica is really very unwell," he said. "The camp did ask her, for her own well-being, to go home. She believes she has been assaulted and the police had to come to the camp because of the things she was saying.

"If someone was assaulted then we are a law-abiding people and we would respect the law."

A police source said they discovered the dispute when, on at least two occasions, there were no protestors at Faslane despite the presence of up to 100 officers. The insider said: "We decided to investigate and the next thing we are hearing all about splits and divisions within the camp itself. There are allegations of threats, intimidation and domestic abuse."

A spokesman for Strathclyde Police said no arrests or charges had been brought over the allegations at the camp, but officers may have offered advice to individuals there.

Politics of protest according to Monty Python's Life Of Brian

Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Judean People's Front?
Reg: F*** off!
Judean People's Front! We're the People's Front of Judea!
Brian: Can I... join your group?
Reg: Nah, p*** off.
Brian: I hate the Romans as much as anybody!
Reg: [brief pause] Right. You're in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the f***ing Judean People's Front.
Stan: And the Popular Front of Judea.
Reg: Yeah. Splitters.
Stan: And the People's Front of Judea.
Reg: We're the People's Front of Judea!
Stan: Oh. I thought we were the Popular Front.
Francis: Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg?
Reg: He's over there.
Reg, Stan, Francis, Judith: SPLITTER!

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  • Last Updated: 19 May 2007 9:54 PM
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1

Gnasher,

20/05/2007 00:49:48

It's not funny if these new people are abusing and intimidating the established peace campers. Labelling people as mentally ill like the 365 goons are doing and shoving them about in the way reported is sick and completely unacceptable. It is also giving ammunition to people who want the peace camp cleared. We should all support those who have been the backbone of the camp for the past many years and if that means the newcomers get told to sod off then so be it.

2

K.Y,

Edinburgh 20/05/2007 01:41:44

It must be so surprising to see the loony left fracture in this way...

3

BW2,

Everywhere 20/05/2007 01:44:02
4

Jock MacSprog,

20/05/2007 01:52:13

#1 I think its very funny. She has the anarchy symbol on her little caravan, so now shes getting a taste of her own anarchic ways !

5

Cynic,

Dalkeith 20/05/2007 02:47:23

They're all raving mad. Wasters all.

6

Conan,

Here 20/05/2007 04:26:27

Run these lesbian commie nutjobs out of town - now.

7

Tatties ower the side,

Johannnesburg 20/05/2007 05:08:18

#4 Jock. Spot on Jock!! That is what anarchy is all about. No rules for anybody!! These nut cases like to practice "no rules for me, but please protect me from other people without rules!"

8

W Smith,

Middle East 20/05/2007 05:14:34

1) These anti-nuclear commies had no problem with supporting the Soviet Union - which had ballistic missiles aimed at every major city in the UK.

2) They had no problem with supporting Castro who wanted the Soviet Union to base their missiles on Cuba (Cuban Missile Crisis).

3) Galloway and Sheridan are IRA supporters as well - so the IRA are against violence and war then?

BTW
That caravan looks mingin.

9

Ichabod,

20/05/2007 05:49:01

How can someone exist there (on and off) for ten years? Who pays for these people? Are they seeking work and getting dole?

The quality of their protest goes down when they have so much time to waste protesting in this way. The fact that they have fallen out is no surprise. It does show that the weapons are not the problem, human nature is!

10

Jim A,

20/05/2007 06:42:10

Jeez if the peaceniks can't get along the world is truly screwed :-)

11

11+failed,

the pans 20/05/2007 07:10:22

Declaring "enemies of the state" as mentally ill is a well established tool used very successfully in the Soviet Union and other dictatorships.

12

Sheik_mctadger,

20/05/2007 07:15:52

Bunch of middle class soap dodging, work-shy, clog wearing, lesbian tree hugging commies. ;)

13

tb303,

20/05/2007 07:27:04

You forgot lentil eating:-)

14

Calum Crubag,

20/05/2007 08:06:15

Im not in favour of the camp really, but best way to get rid of it is to get rid of Trident. It would save us all a lot of money too.

15

Euan,

Edinburgh 20/05/2007 08:35:45

It always amazes me that these people just waste their precious time away in these 'peace camps', they will never achieve anything other than ending up smelling of s**t, wearing tatty clothes and now clearly fighting amongst each other.

Not to mention all the valuable Police time that is squandered keeping these gangs of bums in order.

16

Goat Boy,

20/05/2007 08:53:45

Who funds these people? How do they get money to live like this for long periods of time? I hope they're not funded by those of us who have to spend our days at work and pay tax.

How many lives have nuclear weapons saved? These weapons have maintained the status quo since 1945. We still have local wars, but the super powers haven't locked horns for quite some time (a common activity in the 1900s).

It's ironic to think that the weapons that they are protesting about have protected the freedom they need to protest.

18

Boy Wonder,

20/05/2007 09:40:14

Funny how SoS discovers that particular piece of the "Life if Brian" film script to use, eh?

How many posters have used it in the last six months??

Clue: more than three!

19

Croman mac Nessa,

20/05/2007 10:48:09

#6 Conan, are you the bloke who went by the name "Conan mac Morna" a few years ago? You certainly sound like him, with your right wing rhetoric.

Mind you, I'm not a leftist, but I'm also not a right winger (and no, I'm not a "Moderate," either). The point to this is that I can think outside the box of the typical partisan (or ideological) propaganda. Can you likewise, or do you simply regurgitate the same biased crap as those ideologues to whom you give fealty?

20

Croman mac Nessa,

20/05/2007 10:51:02

#19 Chef, it's already old and tired. I've told you already to grow up and let it go. Now do so.

21

Croman mac Nessa,

20/05/2007 10:58:36

Now to comment on the actual story. Frankly, a lot of these "hippy" peaceniks do seem to be a bit out of their tree, but at the same time, the younger generation likewise don't often have patience enough to give ear to the wiser and experienced folk involved in similar movements. It's rather hard to say, not having visited Faslane and not knowing either of the two groups involved, who (if anyone) is really at fault in the situation in question.

But at any rate, I agree that the trident programme should be located in England and not Scotland, since most Scots seem to be opposed to its presence in Scotland, so whoever is opposed to the continuing presence of the Trident submarine fleet in Scotland has my sympathies.

22

paul the binman,

20/05/2007 11:37:25

heheheheheheh,how funny is it to hear crusties using the words "working in shifts".Still its nice to know my tax is not being wasted.Oh,as they say they are working in shifts can they be done for fraud,as I bet more than half are claiming benefits.

23

MissYorkshire1992,

me da asco esos Uncle Toms ... que mierde!!! 20/05/2007 13:16:20

#13 ... ahh nearly fell aff the chair laughin' at yer post ... ever considered an alternative career as a poet??
Yo should check oot this wee place in Northern England on the Yorkshire/Lancashire border ... its called Hebden Bridge ... mair mueslie-crunching dykes and lentil eaters than you can shake a stick at ... hours of entertainment on a boring night if ye huvnae goat onythin' better tae occupy yersel wae ... its a wee toon fu' o' 1960's carry-overs ... grey hair ... baldie ... wae pony-tails ... ye get the picture ... fairly harmless though ... but guid furra wee laugh!!
As furr soap-dodgers ... naw no this bunch ... they drive 4by4's whilst preaching about ecology (not noticing the inherent contradictions as they nearly knock ye o'er wae said gas-guzzlin' motors)

24

ColinEdin,

20/05/2007 13:18:12

Just because you oppose nuclear weapons does not make you a commie or a leftie. It makes you sane.

Libertarians, like myself, who oppose nuclear weapons have come to realise that the government never listens to protest and the best solution is to actually lobby or to vote into the Scottish parliament a party that opposes them - which we have done.

25

Sheik_mctadger,

20/05/2007 13:54:49

.. the women have hairy legs and armpits as well.

26

Bran the Builder,

20/05/2007 14:15:06

*Take a bath
*buy a toothbrush and USE it
*Get a job
*Wash your clothes
*Invest in a delousing kit

27

Sheik_mctadger,

20/05/2007 14:39:32

Personally I would send in a Brazillian style death squad to clear them out but admit that this might not faze them so a more powerful force would be required, one that they would be truly terrified of - water cannon and soap! ;)

28

MissYorkshire1992,

cierras la puerta cuando te vayas Uncle Tom 20/05/2007 15:32:22

shake McT ... yer patter's like water ... were you wan o' the Maggatolla Thatcheri's SAS bodyguards ???? ... hohohohohoh!!
This is the bourgeoisie yer talkin' aboot
... no some buch a boeys fae Easterhoose or Possill !!! ... c'moan man!

29

Ford,

Edinburgh 20/05/2007 15:45:04

"The peace protesters' row over what to do about Holy Loch has become so unholy that the police - who normally stand guard.........."

Abysmal reporting. Faslane is on the GARE Loch which is quite separate from the Holy Loch. The Holy Loch base which was a US base, was shut fifteen yeas ago. But getting the geography right doesn't make the line sound so clever. Sad that so many Scots don't know their own country.

30

Ted,

20/05/2007 16:00:47

Feel the hate running through these boards. No change there, then..

Personally, although I don't think their methods are the most effective way of meeting their aims, they've clearly more in tune with the views of Scotland than the lot of you (with a few honourable exceptions above: Colin, Croman etc) to get rid of our WMDs.

I note in passing that not one of you was prepared to come out and defend Trident. Cat got your tongue?

31

cuthbert,

20/05/2007 16:02:42

Cant they all just go and get jobs? " a peace protestor for 30 years" i wonder if in that time shes contributed a single penny in tax to the state which allows people to live such utterly pointless and leeching lives.

32

Sheik_mctadger,

20/05/2007 16:24:55

33 - Trident is a great thing, hopefully the day will come when we have an alternative energy resource to oil, after which we can then happily nuke the middle east in its entirety. Money will be well spent.

How does that sound?

33

Ichabod,

20/05/2007 17:54:40

33. Ted

I agree with Trident.
Clearly it is not a nice thing, but there again bows and arrows were a bit rough also. The fact is, and you may have missed this, we live in a violent world. If we do not have a deterrent somebody, somewhere, will get a hold of these weapons and turn them on us. This means, you hit me, I hit you back. Not the situation I like, but a realistic one. Not one that builds up, but can deter, and in todays world a deterrent that is required I am sorry to say.

You say there is a lot of 'hate' on these boards. I am glad you love those that disagree with you also.
But I don't think there is 'hate' so much as questions concerning people who have pretended to 'protest' against nuclear power but in reality were just looking for a purpose in their lives.
As 26. ColinEdin said, this type of protest does not work, it never has! His method is not only more effective, it is acceptable to all on here I would guess. he attempts to work, and make his position known. Too many protest, not because they 'believe' in the protest, but because it's something to do.
People who work, and I don't at the moment because of injury and age making finding work difficult, are entitled to ask if those 'peace campaigners' are earning their money, or using the workers cash, don't you think?

Also, if they are in tune with 'most of Scotland, why has 'most of Scotland' not joined in here? Well, the Edinburgh contingent anyway.

34

BK,

Cyberspace 20/05/2007 18:22:13

So the head anarchist is resenting threats to her authority!

35

Bran the Builder,

20/05/2007 18:55:00

lol Respect mah ahthohitay!!

36

WJohn,

Wet Lothian 20/05/2007 19:04:27

Get Edemol on to it, then every week someone else gets voted out. Great entertainment. The last remaining protestor gets a special prize. Any suggestions?

37

MissYorkshire1992,

escocia 20/05/2007 21:35:25

yer a looper Sheik McT ...

38

No Nukes,

20/05/2007 21:58:19

This article confirms I'm right to have stopped buying SoS. Sadly the reporter was determined to get his story and didn't mind using a sick and vunerable woman as his source. Having not spoken to anyone else on his visit to the camp avoided him having to actually check any of the facts. The rest of the camp - old and new residents, young and old, were at the North gate of Faslane supporting a Faslane 365 protest at the time There is no split, only an attempt to get an unwell woman to go and get some help. It's a pity that SoS doesn't have the same concern for her that ALL the camp residents do. As for the comments on this site..... I'm not wasting my time with them, it's clear that most of the readership are not really interested in facts or they wouldn't be writing such drivel - and whats this obsession with washing all about?!?. Luckily there are lots of people in this country who don't like nuclear weapons and don't have such uninformed rectionary views as those expressed here. Anyone wanting to know a bit more about the diversity of groups involved in current Faslane protests visit www.faslane365.org

39

Conan,

Here 20/05/2007 22:28:10

Aye, #21 - that was me before the penis-reducing surgery.

Bit, numburrrr twinty-yin ..... if yur no oan the richt, an no oan the left, an no in the middle - jist whur the blo*dy he** ur yee?

40

VodkaDanny,

Livingston 20/05/2007 23:55:07

I must start by saying I am pretty ashamed as a Scotsman by most of the comments here.

I would like to point out those of you who do have morals would still find it pretty tough to eek out a living on a strip of land by the side of the road, with no amenities, with constant surveillance for so long. This is Europes oldest surviving peace camp, which is something to be proud of in contrast to the industrial-scale killing machine that they protest. Most of these people surive from the skips that your supermarkets fill rather than from benefits. How dare any of you complain about the cost of the few benefits claimed from there compared to the huge waste of Trident ?

These people are living under the most extreme oppression found in our country and they do so for reasons that you may not agree with but you should not deny that they are well-motivated. Can you say for sure you would take such punishment for your beliefs ? Sometimes you should show a little respect even if you disagree.

By the way'Scotsman', you are openly breaking copyright law with your sarcastic and vindictive quotes from the Life of Brian - do you want to remove that slur before I lose my principles and call the cops on you ?

41

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21/05/2007 00:24:43
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42

heyzeus,

oan tap o a tumshie 21/05/2007 01:01:56

Is this freak collecting welfare cheques,government assistance of any kind? Does she rent the spot her wee trailer pollutes, What happens to body waste?

43

heyzeus,

oan tap o a tumshie 21/05/2007 01:08:34

To bad there were no arrests.Some of these people relish getting arrested as it guarantees them 3 hots and a cot all at taxpayers expense.

44

VodkaDanny,

Livingston 21/05/2007 09:24:32

"Is this freak collecting welfare cheques,government assistance of any kind?"
If she does it'll be less than the £1,500 million every year spent on on freakish neighbours.

"What happens to body waste"
Compost toilets - more productive and useful than your s***.

"Some of these people relish getting arrested"
You obviously know nothing about them, do you often pontificate on things you know nothing about ?

45

Kirk,

ayr 21/05/2007 10:22:20

Galloway and Sheridan are not "ira supporters" smith, dont be stupid.

Thats is just nonsense.

Its actually quite funny as sheridan is often accused by the other side of the bigot coin from you as being a loyalist.

46

Croman mac Nessa,

21/05/2007 14:29:17

#42 Where am I? Somewhere else, of course, outside that paradigm, thinking for myself. I'm concerned with being self-referentially consistent, and "left" and "right" and "middle" are not.

I could give you several examples (though I doubt they're necessary for the "middle," since the inconsistency is usually rather obvious with that lot), but four or five issues should suffice.

Take the matter of "killing in self defense" and the matter of abortion. Those on the "right" generally fully support the first and totally oppose the second (in all cases; and yes, I realise there are some who make allowances, but they're not the norm), yet there are some cases in which the second is a necessary act in order to preserve the life of the mother. Even if one believes that abortion is killing, why then is it alright to shoot another in self defense, but not alright to terminate a pregnancy in self defense?

Two or three other issues: decriminalisation/legalisation of assorted currently-illegal substances and "gun control" (or the prohibition of the smoking of tobacco, for that matter). Those on the "left" generally support the former and the latter (and that one, too), but if they're willing to admit that it is the actions of people which cause misery with the first, why can they not realise that the same is true of the second (and why do they believe that tobacco in need of prohibition when they want to legalise, or at least decriminalise, heroin)?

Generally, in terms of "modern" and "Western" politics, it would not be far off the mark to describe me as "libertarian" (meaning civil libertarian, not a member of the so-called "Libertarian" Party in the States, which was co-opted by laissez-faire capitalists some time ago) and green (again, not a member of the Green Party), and in favour of devolution and de-centralisation (not on

47

Croman mac Nessa,

21/05/2007 18:36:11

Sgrìobh mise:

I am " ...in favour of devolution and de-centralisation (not only in the UK, but also in the US) and independence."

Of course that goes for the EU, as well.

Also, in reference to my obvious opposition to laissez-faire capitalism, I think I had better note that I'm also opposed to the other "modern" alternatives in the economic milieu, before you accuse me of being a "pinko" or the like. Again, think outside the box; there were other economic systems before capitalism/socialism/communism, and even before mercantilism, and even before feudalism. Again, I'm talking about the cooperative economy of a tribalist society (and I reckon I should also point out, before someone else jumps in and mischaracterises my position as being about primitive technology or exclusivism/xenophobia, that those are also not what I have in mind; the English terms "tribe" and "tribal" and "tribalist" and so on are not the most accurate terms that could be used, but it's not easy to get most folk to understand the social, political, and economic concepts involved in the Old Irish word "Túath" without going into a lengthy explanation). With the coming end of the petroleum age, the sort of thing I'm talking about will become the hope of the future, if we are to survive at all.

48

heyzeus,

oan tap o a tumshie 21/05/2007 19:23:13

Back off vodkaboy go smoke some of that toot your like so much. But what do you expect from a cesspool like livingston.

49

Conan,

Here 21/05/2007 21:58:51

Call in the bulldozers.

50

VodkaDanny,

Livingston 22/05/2007 02:25:39

"Back off vodkaboy go smoke some of that toot your like so much. But what do you expect from a cesspool like livingston."

Ah so you feel superior to Faslane and Livingston. And yet you have no facts or coherent arguments, just childish smears. Your lack of a life is more than evident.

51

heyzeus,

oan tap o a tumshie 22/05/2007 19:31:35

53. VodkaDummy,
Listen up bubba There are 2 things of my "life" that crumbs like you will NEVER have....1 a backbone and 2... a good Army Discharge. So grab up ALL the faslane No-Nukeys you can get and crawl back into your respective holes your STENCH has begun to sicken me. People like ME make it possible for ya'll to run your cowardly mouths

52

heyzeus,

oan tap o a tumshie 23/05/2007 00:58:17

To the posters on this thread I sincerely Apologise for any harm done. But Unfortunately I have no tolerance for PUSSY'S like vodka and his ilk

53

humanrightprotester,

garelochhead 24/05/2007 20:10:06

if these morons would stay off the roads they might get more support but the way they are carrying on is only outraging the local community, check out www.peninsula24seven.co.uk. this is a local action group set up to oppose faslane 365 extreme anarchistic actions and have twice shown 365 how to PEACEFULY demonstrate without closing the a 814 road. when 365 block the road they are effectivley holding the local people as political hostages for up to three hours at a time somedtimes twice a week. its time the workd new the devastation these people are causing. please have a look at this web site an leave your comments on a very good forum

54

He's not the Messiah,

Garelochhead 24/05/2007 23:31:40

People seem to forget there is only one lonely full time resident at the Faslane peace camp.

When failing MPs and bored students are finished with their best efforts of sitting in the middle of a road all is left is one protestor and a few vanloads of Strathclyde's ahem "finest".

I still welcome these groups to the area, they file along week by week with all the good intentions in the world pretending that the real decisions haven't been already been made.
I admire their persistence and stupidity in equal measures but really, in the end.

Whats the point?

55

heyzeus,

oan tap o a tumshie 25/05/2007 00:09:35

We will ALL rue the day that Scotland lost nuclear capability. In this day and age we must challange this world from the side of strength not from the side of the pealy-wally chicken$**** that INFEST presant day Scotland. I have served this country since Falkland and many other trouble spots and the ONLY way you get respect is by being TOUGH. For centurys
weve turned the other cheek .....to what end....being cowards? Weve suffered with the geneva conventions Does the enemy?
Give me a warhawk to follow anyday....instead of the CRAP that pollute faslane.


 

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