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Published Date:
23 September 2007
OPPOSITION politicians are to be invited to a summit on the future of the Trident nuclear deterrent in Scotland.
The meeting, to be held next month, will discuss UK Government plans for the nuclear weapons system based at the Clyde Naval Base at Faslane.

In a letter to groups invited to the summit, Bruce Crawford, the SNP minister for parliamentary business
, said he wanted a "balanced discussion embracing different perspectives" on the issue. The summit, to take place in the West End of Glasgow on October 22, will look at the impact of nuclear weapons on the economy and the local community, present law and order implications, as well as environmental issues.

Invitations have been sent to the main political parties, churches, trade unions, peace and disarmament organisations, local authorities and academics. The SNP is committed to removing nuclear weapons from Scotland and to withdrawing from Nato because of the Atlantic Alliance's possession of the Bomb. However, defence is a matter reserved to the Westminster Parliament and not a matter on which Holyrood can rule.

Labour has claimed that removing the weapons would be a blow to the Scottish economy and that the livelihoods of 11,000 shipyard workers depend on Trident.

In the letter, Crawford said: "I see the summit as being the beginning of a dialogue with key people from across civic Scotland who share a common desire to shape our country's future as a peaceful, modern, forward-looking nation.

"We have already begun a national conversation with the people of Scotland on the options for constitutional change and further development of the way we govern ourselves.

"I see a discussion about the implications of the replacement of Trident for Scotland and on the Scottish Government's devolved responsibilities as an important contribution to the national conversation."

The summit follows a Holyrood vote in June in which MSPs voted by 71 votes to 16, with 39 abstentions, against the UK Government's proposals to replace the nation's nuclear deterrent. Crawford added: "During the debate, I signalled our intention to hold a summit of key stakeholders to reflect on the views of the majority of Scots and carefully consider which aspects of the UK Government's plans to replace Trident impact on our responsibilities in Scotland under devolution.

"I made it clear that we will do all that we can, in light of those responsibilities, to persuade the UK Government to change its stance both on the replacement programme and on the general principle of maintaining and deploying nuclear weapons in Scotland."

But Labour says the summit is unnecessary. A Scotland Office source said: "The future of the UK's nuclear deterrent was debated in the House of Commons.

"The SNP are out of touch with Scottish voters in demanding unilateral nuclear disarmament. The majority of Scots want Britain to keep nuclear weapons while other countries have them. This conference is reminiscent of the extreme left-wing posturing of the 1980s and shows that the Nationalists would rather play politics than address the real challenges facing Scotland."

Some opponents of nuclear weapons being based in Scotland say that Holyrood could arrange it so that the transport of the warheads on Scottish roads could become illegal.



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  • Last Updated: 22 September 2007 5:55 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Faslane
 
1

The Forgotten Princess,

Blacksburg 23/09/2007 04:07:19

They need to get that s#*t out of Scotland and put their bathrooms in their oon house!

He who dealt it deserves to smealt it!

2

The Forgotten Princess,

/RIGHTFUL RULER 23/09/2007 04:09:37

BETTER YET. SEND IT TO THE LAND DOWN UNDER!

3

Conan,

Craighouse 23/09/2007 04:46:05

We must plan and budget for the Trident system to leave Scotland since there will be no political support for its continued presence in the soon to come INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND. I don't know all of the implications of this - but I do know this is a fact.

4

Nethan,

Shanghai 23/09/2007 05:01:16

To consider scrapping Trident is head in the sand thinking. We need to be able to defend what we have. History tells us to always be in a strong position to ward off aggressors. The SNP are wrong.

5

Pilrig.,

Livingston 23/09/2007 05:44:20

4 - the Scandinavian countries seem to be doing ok withoot trident , ditto Benelux trio. Swirzerland and Austria...dear ould Ireland....

6

Riley Hamish,

edina 23/09/2007 06:58:34

#4 NETHAN
...Aye Right Nethan.......and under just what circumstances would we fire sic a weapon?...and would the good ol' US of A give us the codes etc if they don't agree?
Our major trading competitors, plus Germany, Italy, Japan, Spain. etc etc seem to manage fine without the madness of Super-Strength-Megadeath at their disposal !!

7

Conan,

Craighouse 23/09/2007 07:01:37

OK, Nethan, #4 - if you are truly that worried about us being able to 'defend what we have' - come on back and join the Forces here, instead of hanging out with our potential real enemy.

Aye, #5 - dear old Ireland and the others - our role models for our great future when out from under the English jackboot.

8

donald,

weegieland 23/09/2007 08:51:07

Return to Sender. The Brits are leaving the building.

9

Colin B,

Bearsden 23/09/2007 09:33:08

WAste of time since Holyrood has no jurisdiction and Commons majority was big

The waste of money is the millions getting spent policing Faslane from predominantly foreign protesters and the disruption it causes to local people

The invitations have gone to the usual left wing suspects churches, peace campaigners, academics and the rest of the sandal wearing brigade

10

Guga II,

Rockall 23/09/2007 11:23:31

If the New Labour Numpty Pary (Scottish Branch) are so keen to retain nuclear weapons, they should ask their headquarters in Westminster to keep them on the Thames. They can also use Bliar's dome as a storage facility.

In any event, the English government cannot fire "their" nuclear weapons unless the Americans give them the codes. Moreover, the approximately 150 warheads they have are already outnumbered by the approximately 200 warheads the Israelis have. Not to mention the 10,000 warheads the yanks have , and the 8,000 the Russians have.

So what's the plan? If Russia decides to take us on, are we supposed to ask the yanks for the codes so that we can lob our 150 warheads at them whilst, in the meantime, they have launched about 1,000 at us?

If the Russians, or the Americans, decide to attack us, I'd much rather they wiped out London, and the south east of England, than any part of Scotland.

11

Sassenach Observer,

Edinburgh 23/09/2007 14:57:20

Surely simply putting up "Nuclear Free Zone" signs would suffice. I remember Dundee District Council did it and, sure enough, not a single device was detonated within the council area by the so-called "Soviet menace".

12

Geoff,

South Africa 23/09/2007 15:23:10

5Pilrig-yes benelux,Scandinavia,Switzerland etc are doing alright without Trident because we and the Yanks and french carry the can for all these hangers on!
They know they can leave themselves virtually defenceless under our nuclear umbrella. Do you think the UK usa and France should unilaterally abandon our nuclear insurance? If you do you are,with respect a fool sir! If not then dont u think the other hangers on shud chip in??

13

Geoff,

South Africa 23/09/2007 15:27:02

7 Conan-dear old Ireland 0f the no navy no airforce-another Defence hanger on! Great role model for your future Independent scotland!

14

Geoff,

South Africa 23/09/2007 15:35:59

Guga 11-Faslane would not be a likely target as the subs would be at sea. Also Britain is a small island -whether they hit London or Liverpool or Glasgow-basically no diffs. As an aside,who says the Israelis have 200 warheads and even if they have, their delivery systems are sitting ducks for a once off first strike.

15

Geoff,

South Africa 23/09/2007 15:40:05

10 Guga 11-Faslane would be an unlikely target as the subs wud be at sea. In any event Britain is a small island so whether they hit Liverpool,London or Glasgow the effects wud be over the whole Island
Asan aside who told u Israel have 200 warheads? Even if they have their delivery systems are sitting ducks for a first strike.

Finally I wouldnt like to see any part of the Islands of Britain and Ireland hit by nuclear bombs and would be equally pained by a hit on Dublin or belfast or London or Glasgow. The depth of some of your Nat hatred for England is really quite chilling. Big bitter chips on your shoulders.

16

Geoff,

South Africa 23/09/2007 15:41:54

Penalty Scotland!

17

Geoff,

South Africa 23/09/2007 15:59:44

Are you all watching the rugby? Cant you guys multi task??

18

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA 23/09/2007 16:11:56

10. Guga II, Rockall
you wrote:
If the Russians, or the Americans, decide to attack us, I'd much rather they wiped out London, and the south east of England, than any part of Scotland

-----------------------------------------------------------

Oh my DOG
your statement is almost fanatical , and certainly parochial. Its not the way forward for any country or society.

Its no different to statements a Shiite would make about a Sunni area in IRAQ (or visa versa).

GC

19

Geoff,

South Africa 23/09/2007 16:22:14

18-well said GC!

20

Geoff,

South Africa 23/09/2007 16:42:10

Conan-from yesterday and whilst on matters military -the UK has one major surface vessel per two million population so it would be unlikely that Scotland could afford more than a token navy. This is the problem with small countries. Also in general, if every nation in the West were to adopt the minimalist-pacifist approach, the West would be doomed.
You have to take account of the real world as it is not as you see it in your dreams.

21

Riley Hamish,

edina 23/09/2007 19:07:19

#20 GOEFF
Please stay in South Africa Sir......we've got quite enough warmongering lunatics here as it is.
....and do you also advocate nuclear arsenal for SA as well?

On second thoughts, don't tell me....idiots like you scare me enough already !!!

22

Conan,

Craighouse 23/09/2007 19:18:19

Yeah, #20 - like #21 said. Please read my detailed post that explains all you need to know - not that it will necessarily make any difference to your point-of-view - but, I at least tried to open your eyes.

23

Pilrig.,

Livingston 23/09/2007 19:43:22

12 - nuclear insurance ? too costly in my book. I mean you live in South Africa - did the h bomb bring an end to apartheid ? Did it stop the Troubles in Northern Ireland. Did it stop Saddam invading Kuwait? Did it stop the genocide in Rwanda ?

Anyway to contine the answer to poster # 4...Spain, Portugal, Poland, Morocco, Tunisia, Cyprus, Greece, Turkey...love to continue but Michael Palin's coming on the telly shortly....

But don't fret Geoff, the occupant of No. 10, any occupant of No. 10 would never give up his nuclear hard-on

24

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 24/09/2007 04:14:32

The only challenges facing SCOTLAND is the union with England. Once we leave that arrangement then we can decide whether or not to have Neuclear Weapons in our country. We will decide,and not by, just to be made redundent unionist scottish polotiticians,whether to keep them or not!WE THE PEOPLE DECIDE!


 

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