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Published Date: 21 May 2009
THE leader of the British National Party is to attend a Buckingham Palace garden party hosted by the Queen.
In a gesture that provoked anger among anti-fascist groups, Richard Barnbrook, a BNP member of the London Assembly, yesterday said he has invited party chairman Nick Griffin to accompany him to the event.

All members of the Assembly are tradition
ally invited to the event.

Last night Boris Johnson, the Mayor of London accused the British National Party of trying to turn a Buckingham Palace garden party into a "political stunt".

Mr Barnbrook acknowledged his move would cause controversy, but warned the far-Right party would continue to play a role in public life.

He said: "I imagine there will be a to-do and a hoot. These things are going to happen more and more as the party goes forward. If I continue to rattle the cages at City Hall and put noses out of joint while they can't answer my questions, they should look at their own politics."

Mr Johnson wrote to Darren Johnson, Chair of the London Assembly, calling for him to intervene and withdraw Mr Barnbrook's invitation.

He said: "I have learnt today that the London Assembly has passed an invitation to Her Majesty's Garden Party to Richard Barnbrook of the BNP, following previous custom for all Assembly Members to be invited.

"It now transpires, however, that Mr Barnbrook plans to bring as his guest the Leader of the BNP, Mr Nick Griffin, or another prominent member of the party, thereby threatening to turn a happy annual event – at which thousands of people across the country are acknowledged for their service to the community – into a political stunt.

"We cannot tolerate any such abuse of the invitation or any potential embarrassment to Her Majesty. I am therefore writing to call on you to inform Mr Barnbrook – at the earliest opportunity – that he must either bring a guest who will not provoke political controversy, or consider his invitation rescinded."

A spokesman for the BNP confirmed Mr Barnbrook will be taking as his guest Mr Griffin, who was convicted 11 years ago of distributing material likely to incite racial hatred.

He said that for Mr Barnbrook "to snub an invite from the Queen would be absurd. It is something people are going to have to get used to, because if we get elected MEPs this is the kind of thing we are going to be doing on a regular basis".

News of the invitation came days after Mr Barnbrook, a former sculptor and teacher, showed up at the launch of England's bid to host the 2018 World Cup, also attended by Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

A spokesman for Buckingham Palace said it was unable to confirm who was attending for data-protection reasons.

He said the London Assembly was one of more than 1,000 organisations given allocations of places for individuals, who are then able to nominate guests.

He added: "The Queen does not scrutinise and is not consulted on the list of accompanying guest names as they are official not personal invitations and as such, Buckingham Palace relies entirely on the nominating organisations.







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  • Last Updated: 21 May 2009 12:23 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Far Right in the UK
 
1

karin Mac,

21/05/2009 00:09:30
does this mean the queen is a british nationalist?
2

redcliffe62,

21/05/2009 00:14:11
german nationalist.
3

karin Mac,

21/05/2009 00:20:48
3 are the bnp trying to send the queen back to gernmany then?
4

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 21/05/2009 00:28:22
Quite right nationalism is a dodgy policy!
5

Barney Thomson,

Reading 21/05/2009 00:32:16
An invitation to the Queen's garden party can be a highly cherished privilege offered to many unsung carers, junior public servants, voluntary workers, etc. The very fact that these fascists will be there will spoil a memorable day for many of these deserving people.
6

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 21/05/2009 00:42:06
Idiot?? You are obviously a bit of a fascist!
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karin Mac,

21/05/2009 01:00:00
4 so you think the queen is wrong to have invited them then mercutio.




10

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 21/05/2009 01:10:58
#11 No, I think the voters were misguided in electing any BNP candidate,I presume HM is obliged to invite Barnbrook because he is member of the London Assembly and he is dragging the repulsive Griffiths along with him.
11

redcliffe62,

21/05/2009 02:46:42
as the bnp get more people in government the simple black and white view of them (sic.) will change to one of a shade of grey.
calling them nasty fascists and employing manic scare tactics is only one stage up from blair and brown's madness about the dangers of the snp.
whilst i disagree with their policies, i do not live in areas where mass immigration would make me feel like a cultural foreigner in my own city. i might hange my view if i did.
multiculturalism works when people live with one another, rather than forming linguistic ghettos.
12

donald,

glasgow 21/05/2009 06:25:22
Old Nick won't be out of place with all the other British Nationalists, particularly the Team GB, "British Jobs fir British Workers", Labourites.
13

Media at One,

21/05/2009 06:38:11
Funny how mainstream politicians who steal from the fiscal, manufacture and contrive illegal wars that result in the deaths of millions and crash stock exchanges and banks are accepted by the public at large as being more moral than people from the far right.
I often hear that the BNP are racist fascists who hate homosexuals - Funny how over a billion people can fall to their knees and literally worship the RCC who do exactly the same, yet when it comes to politics it is different.
14

Pocket Dictionary,

21/05/2009 06:44:17
*
Prince Harry clearing his diary for the garden party?
15

fife runner,

21/05/2009 06:46:22
so the Royal Mail is delivering BNP election leaflets but they cannot go to a party. A perfectly legal organsation.
16

Media at One,

21/05/2009 06:54:34
If immigration and multiculturalism continues as it has in the last decade then it is no secret that in the not to distant future Britain will be a Muslim state under Sharia Law - this is FACT, it WILL happen. When it does, there will be mass evacuation and British people will look for an alternative, but who is going to take them?
It makes sense that some people afraid of what is coming are clamouring to vote for a party that might save them from a future in which they will be aliens in their own land.
It is natural for people to be afraid!
17

Jock's Away,

Africa. 21/05/2009 06:57:12
Boris has been good for London, however in this case though entitield to his opinion,he is out of line using his position. BNP is a nationally recognised political party, and the Queen is sovereign to all citizens of the UK. Boris himself is of German aristocracy stock. The Queens uncle Edward(abdicated King) Duke of Windsor was very close to the German establishment of the 1930's are was a signifiant number of the British establishment. A pardox indeed, When history is not taught, ignorance breeds intolerance and lack of objectivity.
18

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 21/05/2009 06:58:33
As the BNP is an officially recognised political party, I see no more problem with any of their members being at the garden party.
If we are happy with any other party members to attend then why should we object to the BNP.
We are supposed to live in a democratic society and one fact is clear, the BNP are going to greatly increase their share of the vote at the next election.
19

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 21/05/2009 07:57:10
Hmm, I think the Queen is making a savvy move here.

Keep yer enemies closer and all that. She will assess what kind of person and mentality is involved and quietly and with dignity, do her best to keep the uprising from, um, uprising!

The outrage come from fear. How can you fear a recognised political party? We have mechanisms in place to see fear inducing parties like the BNP never get a major foothold, use them.
20

Roy,

21/05/2009 07:59:06
I'm sure that old Phil and young Harry will make sure that the pair of them are made to feel at home.
21

sam the god,

21/05/2009 08:12:06
they cannot be any worse than the lot we have in goverment just now
22

Mallory,

Edinburgh 21/05/2009 08:13:56
Royal Nazis - the Scottish connection
http://tinyurl.com/rygkl3
23

Queen D,

21/05/2009 08:51:47
There sure is a lot of panic swirling around the media about the BNP.
Lets face it , if Nick Griffin is at her party ,she'll know she has at least one supporter amongst a bundle of guests.
They really have not been viewed first hand , it is all the second hand media image that has been thrust upon us, and they have'nt led us into an illegal war through lies and deception , they have'nt bust the banks and they have'nt screwed the tax payers money.
No , I won't be voting BNP , because I am happy to see an independent Scotland but I can understand why the English will!
24

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/05/2009 09:05:56
Considering the actions of our stupid labour government since 1997---where they have removed our freedoms, lies to us and twisted the law round in order to make it easier to prosecute people without trial and/or having denied them access to evidence against them, I cannot see why anyone should have a problem with the BNP.

I think we need to take a close look at who has been running the country for the past 12 years in order to put things into perspective.

And before anyone starts, no. I am not a BNP supporter. All I am saying is that compared to the stupid labour morons, I know which I would prefer.
25

Media at One,

21/05/2009 09:19:09
It is clear that people are in favour of the BNP, the majority of the posts here prove that. Ironically though, most will consciously make it clear that they dont support the BNP - This is of course typical human behaviour because we are programmed to believe that we are wrong to affliate ourselves with such parties even if feels natural to do so.
26

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 21/05/2009 09:25:02
I cannot understand why anyone would even consider voting for these BNP morons under any circumstances.

I would not invite any of them into my home or onto my back-green for tea and buns.

If Brenda feels inclined to do so, then all the more shame on her.
27

It's me!,

21/05/2009 09:26:48
No matter what you think of the BNP, and I don't, they are a legal political party of which a democratically elected representative has been invited to the party. They are villified at every opportunity by other parties but what happened to 'I disagree with your opinions but respect your right to hold them'. Is this not what our fathers fought world wars for?
28

MoiraMac,

21/05/2009 09:32:03
#19
'I do not live in areas where mass immigration would make me feel like a cultural foreigner in my own city. I might change my view if I did. Multiculturalism works when people live with one another, rather than forming linguistic ghettos'

I agree, it's all very well sitting in front of your computer in Sunny Morningside calling everyone who dares to voice an opinion on immigration racists. Try living on an area of mass immigration, you might be tempted to vote for the BNP or for a political party who recognises there is a problem.

http://image10.webshots.com/11/9/52/64/180595264vrAExE_ph.jpg

I'm voting for the party who gets the tartan tat back into the shops and out of my sight and the bloody tartan tat music stopped. If that is the BNP so be it.
29

Helen,

21/05/2009 09:36:05
To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't be seen dead at a so-called Royal Garden Party. It's about time we abolished the monarchy and all the sycophantic nonsense that goes with it. I can't stand the BNP but I equally can't stand the monarchy. I have returned the BNPs election leaflet to its headquarters in an unstamped envelope so they can pay for the privilege of having their vile literature returned to them.
However, I would be delighted to vote for any party which has the guts to abolish the monarchy, the House of Lords, the peerage system and all other instruments of social injustice.
30

Yeah1,

21/05/2009 09:36:08
#34

"And before anyone starts, no. I am not a BNP supporter. All I am saying is that compared to the stupid labour morons, I know which I would prefer."

So you would prefer a racist, facist party which wants to stop all immigration and 're-patriate' British-born people out of the country simply based on the colour of their skin?

That says a lot about the type of person you are...
31

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/05/2009 09:40:06
#35:

I'm merely making a comparison here. I'm no great fan of the BNP because I'm no great fan of intolerance. However, compared to the way that stupid labour's track record, the BNP would be a godsend.

I'd say the same about that other nationalist party, the SNP if it wasn't for Robison and MacAskill. It doesn't mean I'd vote for either of them. It's the case of the lesser of two evils.
32

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 21/05/2009 09:41:01
#37, the most sensible post of them all.
33

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotlan 21/05/2009 09:41:23
Perhaps if you SNP types who continually try to distance your party from other nationalist movements trying to claim it is somehow different, looked at your own history and the activities of Douglas Young, former SNP leader, who gave succour to the Nazi movement in Germany, communicated with them and ended up having to be imprisoned for subverting the UK's war effort - a truly anti fascist one - and calling for Scottish servicemen to refuse to serve abroad, you would see you are just the same, and you would take your one trick pony policy and go away.
34

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 21/05/2009 09:47:33
38 MoiraMac,

I do not live in “Sunny Morningside” and I do have a number of immigrant neighbours, some from the sub-continent, some from Poland and even some from England.

The number of BNP supporters in this area can be counted on the fingers of one hand and are instantly recognised by their knuckle dragging appearance and sectarian utterances.

Just listen to the pro-BNP callers spouting their unapologeticlly racist clap-trap on the BBC Radio Scotland phone-in programme on right now.
35

Yeah1,

21/05/2009 09:57:58
#41

"the BNP would be a godsend."

"It's the case of the lesser of two evils."

No matter what you think of labour and their policies it is utterly embarassing for anyone to suggest that the BNP would be a 'godsend' compared to them and are the 'lesser of two evils'.

Any party which openly advocates racism, facism and anti-tolerance is no 'godsend'. The BNP use scare tactics to target the isolated, and create division and hate amongst communities.

Anyone who suggests they are in any way the 'lesser of two evils' compared to any other democrat party should be completely ashamed.
36

Yeah1,

21/05/2009 10:04:05
#43

Please don't embarass yourself by trying to suggest the SNP are in any way similar to the BNP.

The SNP want an independent Scotland, in which anyone of any colour or religion can live.

The BNP want a purely 'white' Britain, in which anyone of any other colour is removed.
37

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 21/05/2009 10:14:03
#46 - Rubbish. I've haunted this forum for a good few years now, and every day I see vile anti-English slurs, the occasional outright racist interpretation of history, continuous insulting references to the monarch's and her husband's German and Greek ancestry, statements regarding the British state that are lifted straight from the worst racist posturing of the IRA and calls for those in Scotland (the majority as it happens) who wish to remain part of the UK to leave. As far as religion goes, there's regular disparagement of Protestants and a creeping undercurrent of anti-Semitism.

So don't come away with some ball ox that the SNP are inclusive - they're just like any nationalist movement in places like the Balkans and are ideologically dangerous.
38

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 21/05/2009 10:15:41
#45:

What would you say about a party who is prepared to lie to parliament and the general public about major issues? How about a party that would take on-board the view of bigotted extremists and base policy upon their views, thereby riding roughshod over the rights of normal people? And a party that would seek to remove all freedom of choice from the individual? What about a party who deliberately twisted the law around in order to enable mass enforcement so that trivial offences could be turned into cash cows?

Look the the Labour Party my friend. That's the party that has done ALL of the above and more besides.

Wanting to put restrictions on immigration is not racism. If you think that the BNP stands for the same thing that the skinhead/bootboy element of the National Front stood for in the early 1970s, then you are wrong. True enough, there are a minority of thugs who attach themselves to the BNP---in much the same way that a minority of thugs attached themselves to the socialist unions at one time, and a minority of over-priviledged louts attach themselves to the Tories, and a minority of beardy, sandal-wearing folkies with stupid ideas attach themselves to the liberals.

However, the minority of hangers-on does not define a political party. I would still prefer the BNP to labour any day. However, I would prefer the Liberals to the BNP and the Tories to the Liberals.
39

Yeah1,

21/05/2009 10:22:36
#47

"Rubbish. I've haunted this forum for a good few years now, and every day I see vile anti-English slurs, the occasional outright racist interpretation of history, continuous insulting references to the monarch's and her husband's German and Greek ancestry"

The type of people who use these forums are not representative of the SNP as a whole. There may well be SNP 'supporters' on here that express those views, but that doesn't mean they are in any way indicative of the official SNP view.

If you can find official SNP documents with 'anti-English' slurs, or 'anti-semitic' viewpoints then you have a point, otherwise you don't.
40

Yeah1,

21/05/2009 10:26:34
#48

"Wanting to put restrictions on immigration is not racism."

What is racist is wanting to remove any non-white people from Britain, regardless of how long they have lived here, whether they were born here, or whether their parents, grandparents etc were born here.

The BNP are a racist party, that is fact. Anyone who suggests the BNP are a 'godsend' is a embarassment.
41

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland. 21/05/2009 10:48:20
#49. I most certainly do have a point. Every, and I mean absolutely every, SNP opinion expressed blames 'the English' for some perceived or imagined disadvantage in Scotland.

The people you refer to are in that case keeping a very low profile.

And of course I couldn't find official SNP documents with anti-english or anti semitic viewpoints - it's unlawful in the UK to incite racial hatred, and it is a strength of British democracy that secessionist movements are allowed to participate in the political arena.

But given the type of intemperate, intolerant, SNP opinion that is regularly exressed on this forum, it will only be a matter of time, if they ever form the government before they succumb to the pressure of this lobby and start a programme of expulsion. We've been here before with 'nationalist' movements.
42

bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 21/05/2009 11:10:02
51 FLUB,

Perhaps in your “eastern outcrop” news has yet to filter through that the SNP have formed the government in Scotland for the last two years.

I am not yet aware of any expulsions initiated on the basis of someone’s race by them so far.

Indeed they have actually opposed expulsions from Dungavel Detention Centre carried out by the British Government.

It is a somewhat hilarious for a BNP apologist to claim otherwise.
43

Queen D,

21/05/2009 11:16:00
Flub , you lie !

I have watched and read on line for a few years now and I am amazed that anyone would have the temerity to claim the moral high ground for the unionist cause.

I want independence for my country , it is a natural state as far as I am concerned .
I do NOT blame the English for the ills of my country , but by God I blame Westminster and the plundering of my country on the malevolent practices of Westminster Labour or Tory.

I suspect that the ordinary folk down south are searching dispairingly for a person or party against whom to put a cross, and I suspect they too may consider both Labour, Tory and Liberal the weakest choices out there.
44

Observer,,

Glasgow 21/05/2009 11:22:16
The BNP do not regard people born in this country who are non-white as British. They tell lies about them, they flood the internet with lies saying that in a few years this country will be Islamic and we will be living under Sharia law (a demonstrable nonsense).

They use the same tactics to demonise muslims and other non white UK citizens as the Nazis used against the Jews. And a minority fall for it.

It may be that people are entitled to vote for them, but equally well Boris Johnson (not a notable ''leftie'') as Mayor of London is perfectly entitled to revoke any invitation given on the basis that the majority (not just Betty Windsor) find their clearly racist views repugnant - and reject the rejection of our fellow citizens as being aliens in their own land due to the colour of their skin.

45

redcliffe62,

21/05/2009 11:24:19
flub, do you consider asking israel to withdraw from the golan heights, remove their settlements in the west bak and take down all their roadblocks as anti semitic?
can one cricicise israeli poicy without it being considered anti semitic? 50 countries in the middle east and africa want to follow the u.n. mandate for a 2 state solution involving palestine, the problem in that happening is israel.
with regard england you have the same issues. being pro scottish does not make you anti english, it just means you are not as pro english as many other people!
46

redcliffe62,

21/05/2009 11:25:36
and flub, i am english, but i support the snp on scotland being independent. work that one out!
47

Media at One,

21/05/2009 11:26:51
One of two things will happen -

Britain and her people will continue to vote Labour or Tories and within 20 years the country will be a muslim state under Sharia Law -

OR

The British people will move toward the far right and look to save their country from becomming a haven for people from failed states as well as the new Mecca.

It is one or the other, there is no middle ground!
48

Yeah1,

21/05/2009 11:36:54
#52

You are clearly talking complete and utter garbage.

There is no chance of Britain becoming a Muslim state within 20 years, whether we vote for labour, the tories or anyone else.

The Muslim population of Britain is currently 4% of the total population.

Even if their population continues to rise over the next 20 years to say 6-8%, and even if all of them want Britain to become a 'muslim state' there is no chance whatsoever of that happening.

Why on earth would a labour or tory government give in to the wishes of a maximum of 8% of the population and impose a 'muslim state' on the other 92%?

Why not actually talk sense and make some realistic statements?
49

Serbo,

Yougotafightforyourrighttoparrrrrrteee 21/05/2009 11:50:19
Thieves,war criminals,jihadists,commies,masons and
aryan supermen,should be some party.
50

ebbi,

spain 21/05/2009 11:56:22
why some of us insist on creating another nazi germany knowing very well what happened and what they did to the world???
why some people just don´t learn??? its all to do with the size of their brain i guess. it does not take a lot of intelligence to work it out that bnp is going to create a chaos at best and the country may sink further in hatred and racism. lets not make the same mistake.
51

European Scot,

21/05/2009 12:03:21
54 Yeah1

Whilst totally agreeing with your comments, and the sentiment behind them, part of your sentence, 'Why on earth would a labour or tory government give in to the wishes of a maximum of 8% of the population ...... " seems to sum up Scotland's position in the Union quite succinctly.

A good advert for the need to be Independent.
52

Kenny A,

21/05/2009 12:03:28
20

After giving your post a bit of thought and being no great fan of how things are going in the UK, there is no chance of it turning Islamic or Sharia. It makes as much sense as the lunitic islamists who thought they could set up a califate in the Highlands and Islands without anyone noticing, the land of the Wee Free no less, mind numbing.

Scare tactics you used without research, post 54 seems a lot more genned up.

On a lighter note I wonder what Prince Philip will make of this particular guest, perhaps one of his notorious comments may erupt onto the world stage.
53

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 21/05/2009 12:12:59
#47 - "I am not yet aware of any expulsions initiated on the basis of someone’s race by them so far." The operative words are 'so far' It's only a matter of time. Also, nowhere have I apologised for the BNP. It's typical of SNP 'anti-Voltaire' that any opposing opinion is disparaged inaccurately in an attempt at corralling and suppression.

#48 - "I want independence for my country , it is a natural state as far as I am concerned" Your country is the UK of GB & NI - which is the country you want to break up.

#50 - "...do you consider asking israel to withdraw from the golan heights, remove their settlements in the west bak and take down all their roadblocks as anti semitic?" No, I don't; if you read what I said, it was that in SNP opinion there is an undercurrent of anti-semitism. Not the same thing. If only NP supporters would extend the same courtesy to divergent opinions.

#53 - "Sponging Philip von Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Gluecksburg has got Greek ancestry? Nonsense!" You make my original point for me. (The DoE was born in Corfu btw)






54

Kenny A,

21/05/2009 12:20:14
Flub

I have read your comments and find both sense and sillyness in them. I served for a considerable time in HMF Army, vote SNP and have English friends, my first wife was also Asian and coloured. I am not anti English, Fascist or the like.

You picked out Douglas Young, you did not mention the Legion of St George (SS WW2), no Scots served to my knowledge in that unit. Mosley, The Duke of Westminister and others.

Blaming the English for our woes is a hobby and not overly seriously taken by most nationalists. I wish independence for Scotland but not everything the SNP want, as they are not 100% in their dealings throught Scotlands different regions. They are however in my eyes at present the best bet.

I would also for myself advocate the UK turning into a federation along the lines the Germans used with great success for many years. Trust me it does not make a Nazi though.

55

Allan(handofgod137),

21/05/2009 12:23:23
So why no reporting of the fact that the BNP are the only party who make all of their prospective candidates sign a legally binding anti sleaze contract. Could it be because the people who own large ammounts of the media are sh*t scared that if the far right ever form the government of this country, then all their little tax avoidance schemes will become illegal?
56

Kenny A,

21/05/2009 12:25:52
Forgot to mention in my post the BNP have a couple of good points but it would be a cold day in hell before I voted for them. Enoch Powell also had good points and was some soldier but his predictions did not come out exactly as he said. Rivers of Blood for example, possibly very tiny streams of blood at present.
57

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 21/05/2009 12:31:55
#60 - Kenny. I hadn't heard of the 'Legion of St. George' - I knew there was a British 'division' of the SS who sided with the Nazi regime during WW2, but it is unlikely that any Scottish Nationalist would join a division named after England's patron saint! (Was he not Turkish anyway?)

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with what you say about 'English blaming'. It's more than just a hobby.

Unless the SNP's core support is being wilfully stupid, I routinely see and hear apparently sincerely held belief that Scotland was a homogenous mono-ethnic society, colonised, or even invaded, by the English, and its people and resources subjected to exploitation and rapine simply for their gratification.

To my mind, the whole idea of 'Scotland' and 'England' needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history. The border was only agreed in 1237, and then only because Alexander II and III were not strong enough militarily or diplomatically to press their long standing claim for Cumberland, Westmorland and Northumberland to be incorporated into Scotland.

If they had, the 'border' would have run from about Barrow-in-Furness to Newcastle on Tyne, and the Scottish capital would probably have been Carlisle.
58

Observer,,

Glasgow 21/05/2009 12:37:59
62 An interesting case in point - the ''rivers of blood'' speech. The speech was made in 1968 and allegedly quoted a constituent saying that ''in 15 or 20 years time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man''.

BNP supporters quote it to this day - as well as the consequential ''rivers of blood'' statement. They use it in relation to the 7/7 bombings and the mythical ''Islamification'' of the UK.

What they fail to acknowledge is that Powell was talking specifically about the ''black'' man - Afro/Carribeans who immigrated in large numbers from the West Indies. He wasn't talking about Asians. He wasn't talking about muslims. But the BNP will tell you he was, because they just make things up to suit their own agenda.
59

Iain Mac,

21/05/2009 12:47:23
Funny as many royals and aristocracy sided or sympathised with the Nazis. Their German blood may have played a part as did hatred of Communism - though why a democracy couldn't have seen as an alternative, i dont know.

Yeah, lets see the BNP sending back 'our' German royal family. Btw, does anyone know what percentage of BNP male members are heterousexual? Is it lower than other parties? It seems to be.
60

Tartan Viking,

21/05/2009 12:47:36
#52. Media at One.

Think what you say is correct.

People are quick to critisise the BNP but shy away from critisising anything to do with the muslim culture. I'm not talking about people on this site - I mean people in the media and politicians etc

They are absolutely sh@@t scared and, for that reason, we will lose control in a very short time. You say 20 years - maybe before this. We can't look to the LyingBour Party, nor the Tories. They are too busy running down the Scots, because it's easier to do.
61

Tartan Viking,

21/05/2009 12:48:49
#65. Iain Mac.

Are you saying the BNP are a party of (Black) shirtlifters?
62

Iain Mac,

21/05/2009 12:51:15
#61 - Allan, not to sharp. Who needs expenses scandals when you have criminal records like the BNP?

Maybe you should dig further and find out about the internal warfare amongst right-wing groups over merchandise sales and even drug running? BNP, NF, Blood and Honour, Combat 18 - there's always been some overlap. Just cos the BNP have their toffe nosed private school public image, they still have the knuckleheads behind them.
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Iain Mac,

21/05/2009 12:52:47
#66- Muslim religious culture like any religion is backward. So are bigots who try to divide people.

Aye, so many of the Bnp are screaming brownshirts. Even their current leaflet looks like a Village People advert.
64

Media at One,

21/05/2009 12:59:30
Tartan Viking

I think the problem and I dont know how it happened, is that western masses have been beaten into mental submission to the point that most people are absolutely petrified to say what they feel about certain issues.
In Africa the white man is lower than shark shlt shadow, you will never see a white man in power in Africa. African leaders can rape and pillage their people and then blame it on colonialism and get away with it. They can fail, fail again, fail and fail again, fail again and then fail some more and are never judged as being completely useless, intead silence prevails in place of the truth and distortions about colonialism and unfair trade are used as the reasoning.
Muslims will kill you if you hold meetings on the street outside your christian church and run down their culture. In Britain, muslim clerics and their ilk can stand on the streets of London and denounce Britian and its culture without fear, because we are too shlt scared of going in and dealing with it for fear of what the world might say -
Other cultures are intollerant of ours, we are tolerant of theirs. In the end that can only mean that our culture will be killed and replaced with theirs.
65

Silence of the Yams,

21/05/2009 13:04:37
Interesting that we're allowed to comment on that fact 36,000 Neplaese and all their dependents are now going to be fed, housed and watered by the British tax payer. I would assume that is going to mean at least 300-500,000 individuals in practice. Total farce.

Anyway, Griffin is the only politican I remotely trust in Britian.
66

Jay Kay,

21/05/2009 13:05:30
So were allowed to make comment on this issue but not agains the current sex scandal faced by the catholic church eh!

Thats religion for you.
67

Silence of the Yams,

21/05/2009 13:05:58
Interesting that we're not allowed to comment on that fact 36,000 Neplaese and all their dependents are now going to be fed, housed and watered by the British tax payer!? I would assume that this is going to mean at least 300-500,000 individuals in practice coming into the UK. Total farce.

Anyway, Griffin is the only politican I remotely trust in Britian.
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Silence of the Yams,

21/05/2009 13:06:23
Interesting that we're not allowed to comment on that fact 36,000 Neplaese and all their dependents are now going to be fed, housed and watered by the British tax payer!? I would assume that this is going to mean at least 300-500,000 individuals in practice coming into the UK. Total farce.

Anyway, Griffin is the only politican I remotely trust
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Yeah1,

21/05/2009 13:13:51
#74

"Interesting that we're not allowed to comment on that fact 36,000 Neplaese and all their dependents are now going to be fed, housed and watered by the British tax payer"

The Gurkhas fought in the British army, they deserve the right to come to Britain and be fed and housed here.

I would much rather have the Gurkhas here, who actually fought and died for Britain, than scum BNP supporters like you.

If you are worried about an influx of Gurkhas why don't we remove all BNP supporters to make space for them? I'm sure the vast majority of the British public would support such a move.

"Griffin is the only politican I remotely trust in Britian"

The fact that the only politician you "remotely trust in Britian (sic)" is a proven racist, anti-semitic bigot says a lot about you as a person...
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Iain Mac,

21/05/2009 13:17:03
#74 - a HIbee bigot? Griffith is a mealy moothed private school ex-Tory with a criminal record and half his ex-body-guards doing time for drug running. Trustworthy.

Maybe it's kinky uniforms that attracts you?
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Observer,,

Glasgow 21/05/2009 13:19:10
74 - Ayo Gurkhali !
73

nova albion,

21/05/2009 13:19:24
This must be STOPPED. The BNP are nothing more than racist morons,and there idea of running the country is to nationalize everything and anything. Even their leaflet for the Euro Elections was a con,they used american models with the slogan "British jobs for British workers" what a bunch of lying "B,s"
74

Kenny A,

21/05/2009 13:33:19
63 Flub some goods post appearing now.

Not sure about St George but St Paul was from Tarsus in Turkey.

In the North the SNP are not anti English and baiting them is a hobby unless things have changed. We are more anti southerner than anything. The term Sassnach means outsider while an Englishman is a Beauloch, spelling probably dodgy, one is an insult the other not.

Scotland one people one race, never, we were a mixture of the old ones, Picts, Scots and Norse and in the south probably English and Welsh, we were however of the land and the sea. Today it is even more interesting of course.

Not sure if the capital would have been in Carlilse but who knows, if history had a slight change it would have been Findlaggen in Islay, or Scoon of course.

(The legion of St George by the way got very few recruits and I believe the last survivor lives in Austraila at present)
75

Yeah1,

21/05/2009 13:37:27
#76

"Yes I think Griffin is about the only truthful candidate in British politics"

You can hardly describe a convicted criminal as 'truthful'.
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Kenny A,

21/05/2009 13:44:54
Media 1

I am not sure what to make of your posts, there is a great deal of truth in parts, African leaders, political leaders etc, but it does go OTT.

I am in total agreemenment about what you say regarding certain peoples tolerence of culture but it will not replace mine, my ghildern or grand childerns, after that well doubt I will be here but cannot see a change.

As for the people who posted regarding the Gurka, they have earned the right to stay in my eyes, most loyal of the loyal and bravest of the brave, served always. Why should they be refused residence while tribes of mullas who hate the UK and the West are given pretty much free entry, everything on a plate and just about a licence to kill courtesy of the EU and PC brigade.
77

Allan(handofgod137),

21/05/2009 13:50:21
#68 Iain mac, If we're on the subject of criminal records, then let's not forget the following unconvicted felons, in no particular order:
Jack Straw perverted the course of justice by ensuring his son William was let off with a warning after being caught dealing drugs to an undercover reporter.
Tony Blair and Lord Levy breaking the parliament act, by offering peerages for cash. Henry McLiesh and the fraudulant claim for expenses, John "council tax dodger" Prescott, to name but a few of the more senior offenders.
#79, Don't you mean SNP?
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AJ Fife,

21/05/2009 13:52:44
This BNP fellow is probably on Prince Philip's Xmas card list already.

Didn't Philip present Prince Harry with his old, silver mounted, 'coolie' stick recently?

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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 21/05/2009 13:56:15
#80 - He does have Greek ancestry as well - I think through his mothers side. But you are as usual, in inimitable SNP style, misrepresenting statements. If you don't lke the term ancestry, how about provenance?

By the way Tam, I'm now retired...
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Media at One,

21/05/2009 14:00:09
Kenny A

I have always thought that racism is the incorrect terms for what we experience in terms of race clashes. It is true that there are people in this world who dislike people because they are white or black, that is racism or at least it is their ism.
But most of us could care less about colour, we appear for the most part to be more driven by cultuarlism. It is therefore, cultural intollerance not racism that we experience.
I frown upon black African neighbourhoods, not because the people are black but because the neighbourhood looks the way it looks. When I find the same sort of white neighbourhood I frown again - Problem is, almost every black nation, town, suburb and city looks like a sqautter camp, thus the conclusions I draw are making me frown. But when I walk into a room and there are 5 people I dont know and one of them is a black guy who likes football, knows a lot about fishing in New Zealand and is looking fwd to the forthcoming British Lions tour to SA, he is the man I am drawn to because we share things in common. His colour is of no relevance.
But what is happening in Britain is that the muslims and the African's who are setting up home have nothing in common with British people or any other people - thus a line is drawn in the sand and different communities rise up to the point that some places in the UK are almost entirely African or Muslim and the sight of a white person is as common as a papal visit to Ibrox.
That sort of divide causes problems for everyone and cultural intollerance then becomes proper racism.
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 21/05/2009 14:10:58
#81 - Kenny, didn't 'Sasnach'mean the Gaelic version of 'Saxon'? I would go with the capital on Islay - ready access to Laphroaig 16 year old cask strength. I could just about handle living there!

#88 - How many applications did you send in before you gave up trying to join? Symptomatic of failed Police recruits that in later life they purport to uncover widespread and entrenched malpractice.
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Yeah1,

21/05/2009 14:17:05
#87

"what is happening in Britain is that the muslims and the African's who are setting up home have nothing in common with British people or any other people - thus a line is drawn in the sand and different communities rise up to the point that some places in the UK are almost entirely African or Muslim"

What exactly is wrong with immigrants to Britain retaining some of their cultural identity and practices?

Don't British immigrants to the Costa Del Sol do exactly the same, remaining within their communities, eating their own food, retaining their cultural identity?

Are you suggesting every immigrant to another country should immediately drop all their previous culture and identity and adopt the culture and identity of whatever country they have emigrated to?
83

Iain Mac,

21/05/2009 15:25:40
#87 - if most of us don't have problems with immigrants, then why do you?

I don't trust the BNP. Why can't the numerous gay-members be honest about it? That's apart from the criminal records. Allan - thicko - you said the BNP were better than the others. The others are bad but drug dealing and violence figures just above kiddifiddlers. You vote for that if u want.

Have we learned nothing from the past?
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Iain Mac,

21/05/2009 15:28:06
#81 - the term Sasannach means 'Saxon'. Shows that bnp knuckleheads are thick white trash who don't even know 'British' culture. I bet that many of these right-wing nutters who complain about foreigners also complain about Welsh and Gaelic roadsigns and telly. Ironice.
85

Kenny A,

21/05/2009 15:49:22
87 Media at one

In my eyes a very good post, keep it up, I will save this one for the records. I have lived and worked in Africa, Asia and South America since leaving the services, and truly understand your points.

89 Flub

Not sure about the Saxon view, fairly sure it predates them, will look and get back. As for the 16 year old brew, try the 25, landed up in the harbour years ago and was the happiest creature on Earth then the wife got me and I was the most miserable of men.

Kenny A

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Sgian Achlais,

21/05/2009 15:53:53
Wikipedia has a clear article showing the Scots, Welsh, Irish and Cornish word. Since the English did not exist as a single people it would be sensible to assume it originates from Saxon.

Sassenach is a word used chiefly by the Scots to designate an Englishman. It derives from the Scottish Gaelic Sasunnach meaning, originally, "Saxon", from the Latin "Saxones"; it was also formerly applied by Highlanders to (non-Gaelic-speaking) Lowlanders[1]. As employed by Scots or Scottish English-speakers today it is usually used in jest, as a (friendly) term of abuse. The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) gives 1771 as the date of the earliest written use of the word in English.

Sasanach, the Irish-language word for an Englishman, has the same derivation, as do the words used in Welsh to describe the English people (Saeson, sing. Sais) and the language and things English in general: Saesneg and Seisnig. These words are normally, however, used only in the Irish and Welsh languages themselves.

Cornish also terms English Sawsnek from the same derivation. Some Cornish were known to use the expression 'Meea navidna cowza sawzneck!' to feign ignorance of the English language.[2]

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Kenny A,

21/05/2009 15:57:23
89 Flub

You could be correct according to some, in the saxon thing, here are a couple of others that may amuse you.

Sassenach in Afrikaans is Engelsman
Sassenach in Dutch is Engelsman
Sassenach in Finnish is englantilainen
Sassenach in French is anglais
Sassenach in Hungarian is angol

I am certain that the authour of these descriptions totaly missed it. Sure Sassneach means an outsider not an Englishman.
88

Serbo,

21/05/2009 16:17:10
observer64

Ritual Slaughter of animals and female circumsion,a
couple of small rivers.
89

Sgian Achlais,

21/05/2009 17:11:38
#95 Kenny A,

See if you can see the problem with Gaelic Translation of SAXON from the Gaelic Alphabet.

a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, l, m, n, o, p, r, s, t, u


The people who we call English were just a mongrel mix of Angles, Saxon, Celts, Norse, Flemmish, etc, etc.

The country takes its current name from the Angles. The people who were pushing northwards were at one time mainly Saxons.

It really should not be such a great mystery why the current English are called Sassanachs.

The offensive part of the sentance is the words directly after Sassanach when you are cursing the English.

eg. Sassanach Bsturd is now often replaced with English Bsturd.

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Kenny A,

21/05/2009 17:27:18
97 Good hit

18 letters as in Gaelic, and no X factor shall we say, there is however a village in Lewis called Laxay and several containing the letter V, as they are all Norse origion the translations and spellings into Gaelic are interesting.

A GOOD STAB FROM THE KNIFE.
91

Kenny A,

21/05/2009 17:29:34
96

MY PET DUCK BILLED PLATAPUS WENT CROSS EYED TRYING TO FIGURE THIS POST. Think I will join him, keep it up.
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Media at One,

21/05/2009 17:34:46
Yeah 1

No I am not suggesting that immigrants drop their culture. The problem we have is that when Westerners visit the muslim world they conform immediately, there is a respect shown by white westerners, which is obvious from their open arms policies in terms of immigration.
But when the Muslim world or the African world arrives in Britain, the same respect is very seldom offered in return.
White western culture is what people want, Africans flock to play football because their own leagues are an absolute nightmare, they flock to work, they flock to survive and if they cant make it they will receive benefits, the same will not be true for a poor white westerner looking for a life in Africa. Muslims can arrive and enjoy the freedom to express themselves and their religion without the fear of being beheaded - These sorts of issues do cause problems within society and to ignore them would be naive to say the least.
People are angry, how do we go about easing that anger?
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Sgian Achlais,

21/05/2009 17:34:52
96
Serbo,21/05/2009 16:17:10
observer64

Ritual Slaughter of animals and female circumsion,a
couple of small rivers.

==============================

This sounds like a Crossword question.

2 Down
Ritual Slaughter of animals and female circumsion,a
couple of small rivers. (6)

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MoiraMac,

21/05/2009 17:37:54
#39 bully wee alba

I do not live in “Sunny Morningside” and I do have a number of immigrant neighbours, some from the sub-continent, some from Poland and even some from England.

It all sounds a bit too cosy to convince me you know anything at all about the problems of living in an area of mass immigration.

If nobody is listening to the problems being expressed re immigration and everyone is just screaming racist then the BNP will win big time and it could well cause the SNP to loose votes.

'even some from England'
now 'bully wee alba' you are being really silly!
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Sgian Achlais,

21/05/2009 17:41:11
Media at One,

I share you concerns with the future of Western Civilisation and culture.

I see nothing wrong with a Pakistani being proud of being a Pakistani. I have a few muslim friends from the middle east and asia who are really good people.

What I consider offensive is when some council says you cannot celebrate White/Christian/European cultural festivals for fear of offending, (Often Muslims, when the Muslims themselves are not complaining).

I hate the Political Correctness not the diversity.

If the people arriving from Pakistan were White Nazi Skin Heads talking about killing/war/overthrowing the government they would not be allowed in the country. They certainly would not be welcomed in.

I am an athiest and dislike only the religions that pose a threat to me and my family. Islam is a threat to our value system and Sharia Law and equality of people are not agreeable.

WE all have friends who are Muslims but that is not the same as being friends of Islam.
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Allan(handofgod137),

21/05/2009 17:46:57
#91 I would sway that perverting the course of justice ranks above drug dealing, as for the kiddyfiddling, lets look at the record of labours main supporters in scotland, the rc church.

You are nothing but a sock puppet who regurgitates whatever his masters feed him
97

Kenny A,

21/05/2009 17:51:22
102 stream?
98

Sgian Achlais,

21/05/2009 17:54:07
What I was trying to say is that I do not dislike because of Race, Hair colour, eye colour, height, etc.

I dislike on the basis of values, behaviour, treatment of women and children, equality within the legal system, corruption, etc, etc.

I have a problemwith sharia law. Islam requires sharia law to be implemented by default I therefore have a problem with Islam.

But I have no problem with Muslims.

Similar to problem with British Empire and its institutions but not with English people.
99

Media at One,

21/05/2009 18:27:14
White people are going to need to continue looking after black Africa and muslims for eternity - and as more and more flock to the land of white man looking for cars,planes,trains,computers,money and all the trappings of white, so more and more the white culture will need to be sidelined to accomodate the flocking masses and their cultures.
So where to for whites then?
SPACE? Will there be PC in space? What will the rules of engagement be in space? Will there be free speech? Will the all the Israelites get there own little corner of the milky way? Will all the Palestinians be placed on the outer edge of Andromeda? Interesting times ahead.
100

Observer,,

Glasgow 21/05/2009 19:14:55
103 In point of fact Moira Mac if you look at the electoral results in Scotland you see very little correlation between a large ethnic population and votes for the BNP.

People don't actually vote for the BNP because of mass immigration they vote BNP because they are racist.
101

Observer,,

Glasgow 21/05/2009 19:19:50
104 I think it is the politically correct brigade who are actually responsible for a lot of the negative views people have about muslims in particular.

I have never once in my life met a muslim who found the celebration of Christmas, or the expression of Western culture offensive, and as I live on the South side of Glasgow I have grown up with and been around Scottish muslims all my life.
102

Media at One,

21/05/2009 19:22:17
Observer -
It wont work, people know the score now!
Like I said earlier, people like you will move out of their neighbourhoods when the blacks and muslims move in - then go and vote labour or tory whilst sneering at BNP supporters - oh the irony! or is it hypocrasy?
103

Observer,,

Glasgow 21/05/2009 19:24:11
111 what do you mean it won't work ? Where do you live ? It isn't Scotland is it.
104

Media at One,

21/05/2009 19:38:28
Observer

I mean calling people racists wont work - There are proper problems going on Observer and they need serious attention, not cheap shot racist remarks that only assist in ruining all chances of mature debate.
Britain is the melting pot, muslim people and black people are arriving in their droves because they want their bit of white - Nothing wrong with that, why not dream of a better life in nations that can offer it? But what is happening is not upliftment, what is happening is that British culture is being sidelined in order to accomodate every other culture and it can't work.
How could Islam operate if it were to sideline its own cultures to accomodate western culture? Well you know the answer to that -
We need serious debate or pretty soon there is going to be problems because people's cries for help are not being heard - instead they are being swept under the carpet and being accused of being racists, which is no way to handle it.
105

Observer,,

Glasgow 21/05/2009 19:47:57
113 You are quite right we need serious debate. You are not offering any. You just say that British culture is being sidelined and ''it'' can't work.

Well, it a Scottish context ''it'' can work - and does.

Why do you think people vote for the BNP in areas where there has been no significant pattern of immigration ?

106

Sgian Achlais,

21/05/2009 20:01:36
110Observer,, Glasgow 21/05/2009 19:19:50
104 I think it is the politically correct brigade who are actually responsible for a lot of the negative views people have about muslims in particular.

I have never once in my life met a muslim who found the celebration of Christmas, or the expression of Western culture offensive, and as I live on the South side of Glasgow I have grown up with and been around Scottish muslims all my life.

============================

I gave some a couple of the muslim lads I know whisky at Christmas. Since they should not be celebrating the event I thought they would like something they should not be celebrating the event with.

And they were delighted, as long as their Dad does not find out.
107

Media at One,

21/05/2009 20:09:44
Observer -
the problem is obvious, look at the comment from Labour lies - This is the mindset that the mature world is dealing with at the moment - Blindfolded ignorance is allowed to hurl its abuse at others whilst hiding behind the sacred blanket of racism - In otherwords, people like Labour Lies are denying people the chance to express their views because in their world the only views that count are theirs and god help anyone who dares to step outwith the boundaries of what they deem to be acceptable.
There is no racist speech on this entire thread, there are only posts from people who genuinely feel aggrieved with the state that Britain is in. That muslim clerics can stand outside their mosques and preach death be to those who do not believe in Allah and other threatening rhetoric is one of many reasons people are worried. So the reaction is not racism it is more frustracism.
And people who live in areas not affected by immigration who vote BNP dont need to justify their BNP vote for the same reasons a tory need not justify theirs. Are all labourites and Tories thieves now that we know most of their MP's are? Of course not, so not all BNP supporters are racists as you and so many others call them.
108

Observer,,

Glasgow 21/05/2009 21:30:22
117 I do have some sympathy for the people who despise the political correctness that declares we don't have blackboards any more or that we can't celebrate Christmas. That's just complete bullshlt the word black in blackboard is not offensive and everyone celebrates the Winter Festival whatever creed they are.

But you just demonstrate a belief that people from different races creeds and cultures can't get on.

Sorry - but that's bolleaux. We can and we do.
109

Tartan Viking,

21/05/2009 21:32:47
#118 Observer.

Most of us do. But we seem to go out of our way more.
110

Observer,,

Glasgow 21/05/2009 21:40:11
119 We live in a liberal society. That is who we are.
111

MoiraMac,

21/05/2009 22:33:11
Observer

If as you say all BNP voters are racists then the number of racists in this country (UK) seem to be on the increase.

Any explanation why this is happening?

I've just heard someone on the news say that he would have to vote labour (although he didn't want to) in order to keep the BNP out.

Perhaps everything isn't as hunky dory as you would think and perhaps we are not as 'liberal' as we are told we should be.
112

Calum Crubag,

21/05/2009 22:37:48
Why would Scots vote Bnp? We're not British, we're Scots. We have a different culture and linguistic history to England. Parts of Scotland have been ruled by Norway longer than by corrupt Westminster.

What TF does the Bnp version of 'Britain' mean anyway? No foreigners?!! Hey close down Ikea, stop selling Stella Artois, close down Asian, Chinese and Mexican restaurants! Stop importing foreign cars - i.e. all of them! Stop showing foreign telly. What a ridiculous concept in 2009.

I LIKE mixing cultures and most of us do. Wonder how many of these braindoners can actually speak a true 'British' tongue? And i don't mean the Germanic English.
113

Calum Crubag,

21/05/2009 22:38:37
121 - Moira Mac, so how pure are you?
114

Observer,,

Glasgow 21/05/2009 22:44:37
121 Any idea why ? Well like d'oh ! It's the economy stupid.

And I made a clear distinction between Scotland and the UK. I think we can avoid the Bradfords and the Isle of Dogs scenarios. Doesn't need to happen here.

ps you are a troll hen.
115

Tartan Viking,

21/05/2009 22:49:06
#120. Observer,

"We live in a liberal society. That is who we are."

Write your words down and put them somewhere safe, Bring them out in , say, ten years from now and see if you agree with what you have just said.

The way we are going Observer, in a few years time we will not be a "liberal" society at all. You can see the foundations already. We are not allowed to say what we really think now - so where will we be in a few years time? I'm not saying we should be allowed to come out with outrageously offensive stuff, but bit by bit our "free speech" is being eroded. We can't express innocent concern or views without somebody somewhere branding us as racist etc,

If you can't see that you are amongst the many who are being silently brainwashed into accepting the loss of free thought and speech. Scary, but true.
116

Tartan Viking,

21/05/2009 22:54:08
#122. Calum.

I agree with you and would ask, did you see the BNP 'Party Political Broadcast' a few weeks ago?

It lasted, say 15 or 20 minutes. In that time they mentioned England about ten times. NOT ONCE did they mention Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. Not Once!
So the BNP is really the ENP. Nowt wrong in them being that if they want, but my advice to them is do not use the word 'Britain' when you mean England. That sums this lot up for me really.
117

Observer,,

Glasgow 21/05/2009 22:55:43
You are allowed to say what you think. We all are. The idea that freedom of speech has been suppressed by immigration is rubbish.


118

Tartan Viking,

21/05/2009 23:07:09
#127. Add that to what you have said earlier, write it down and re-visit it in a few years time.

You may think you are allowed to say what you think. You may get away with it now, but for how long? As immigration increases, and the "mix" of population swings away from what it is now, what then?

Don' be niave Observer.
119

Observer,,

Glasgow 21/05/2009 23:24:55
128 You're being convinced by right wing rubbish.

I'll do you a deal. We'll both live forever and meet up in a hundred years. We'll see who's right.

ps it'll be me.

120

MoiraMac,

21/05/2009 23:54:00
124- Observer. I might be a troll hen but you are the numptie who keeps responding to my posts. Am I getting to you! Te!he!


#123 How pure am I Calum. I've been a virgin since February, how pure is that? Oh do you mean nationality? I do have dual nationality so when things get just too liberal in this country I can fly off to live in sunnier climes. Lucky Me. Bye!
121

Iainbroch,

22/05/2009 00:06:38
re 125

Unfortunatly we are not a Liberal society. A liberal society does not re-elect a Party that lied to the country over the reasons for going to war in Iraq. Even after they found out that Lieboar lied they still re-elected them.

Those who adopted what you might refer to anti war and progrssive political attitudes. Well they got slaughtered at the 2005 election.
122

radge dug,

22/05/2009 09:36:01
Bnp brownshirt? Brown helmets more like!

The BNP are the English Nationalist Party at a Village People reunion. What a bunch of morons!
123

radge dug,

22/05/2009 09:37:39
#130 - true. 'Moira' is anglicised 'Moire' - the Gaelic for the virgin Mary. Imagine, a bnper with it's own culture?!
124

Calum Crubag,

22/05/2009 11:33:18
Leave the BNP to the English. We're Scots with our ane culture and tongues.

 

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