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Published Date: 04 May 2009
A CONTROVERSIAL doctor who gives tips on how people can end their own lives is to host a workshop in Glasgow on euthanasia next weekend.
As many as 20 people have signed up to the event hosted by Dr Philip Nitschke to be held in the Unitarian Church on Sauchiehall Street.

It is understood the Australian medic will show a video on using a gas-filled bag to die and will give advice o
n buying illegal barbiturates from Mexico.

Politicians and pro-euthanasia campaigners were joined in their "horror" at his visit.

Lothians MSP Margo MacDonald, who backs the introduction of a euthanasia bill, said she would never approve of his methods.

She said: "I imagine he is doing this for commendable reasons, but what he does still horrifies me.

"That people should be put in this position is one of the reasons why I'm trying to get dignity in dying and for people to have an exit from this world that is as stress-free as possible."

Dr Nitschke was allowed into the UK yesterday after hours of questioning at Heathrow Airport, having being banned from giving a talk in Singapore.

He is the inventor of a computer device, called the Deliverance Machine, which allows a seriously ill patient to kill themselves by answering a series of questions.

In the UK, assisted suicide is illegal, with a maximum punishment of 14 years in prison.

Dr Nitschke said censorship would lead to misleading guidance and insisted the information would be given only to adults.

He said: "You have to be aware of the permanent step you might take. It's got to be a person with significant life experience who is rational, who is of sound mind."

The doctor helped draw up legislation in the Northern Territory of Australia in 1996 which permitted euthanasia for the first time.

The law was overturned eight months later, but Dr Nitschke said seriously ill people continued to come to him for advice.

He sees no conflict in being a medical doctor who focuses on ways to end people's lives.

"It seems to me that if you're taking your medicine seriously you can't abandon somebody when they are at the very last stage," he said.

"Death and dying is a natural process. It's not a medical process, it's a natural process and we're all going to do it."

Dr Nitschke said he would like to see everyone over the age of 70 given lethal drugs to keep at home in case they became seriously ill and decided to take their own life.

He will stage four public meetings across the UK discussing euthanasia before "closed sessions" for members of his organisation, Exit International.

Those members, who must be aged over 50 or seriously ill, will then be given information on different ways to die.

Jeremy Purvis, Liberal Democrat MSP, said Dr Philip Nitschke was "not welcome" and would "undermine" the case for assisted suicide.

He said: "While I would defend his right to speak, his contribution is not helpful in this debate.

"We are looking for a change in the law, which is the right way to approach this issue."

Dr Nitschke plans to visit Bournemouth tomorrow, Brighton on Wednesday, Stroud on Friday, and Glasgow on Saturday.

• Former chief inspector of schools in England Chris Woodhead revealed yesterday he would rather kill himself than die in agony from motor neurone disease.

The 62-year-old, who was the top schools watchdog for six years until 2000 and had some fierce clashes with teaching unions, was diagnosed with the disease in 2006.





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  • Last Updated: 03 May 2009 9:37 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Euthanasia
 
1

Fifi la Bonbon,

04/05/2009 00:57:26
You can always rely on the Unitarians to sponsor moonbats like this guy.
2

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/05/2009 01:24:47
Sad situation to find yourself in..but perhaps his advice aint all that bad...we dont ask to be brought into this world so we sure as sheet should be able to make decision on how we leave it....
3

W Smith,

Middle East 04/05/2009 03:36:24
"I imagine he is doing this for honourable reasons."??

You've got some imagination hen.

Dr Nitschke - sounds like a character from an Austin Powers movie.

Has he got a siamese cat by any chance?
4

Tracker,

04/05/2009 05:38:52
It is not obligatory to attend the workshop and it is not obligatory to put a gas-filled bag over your head.

Dr Nitschke's workshops will be attended by those who are in pretty poor shape. There will probably be some there who are just curious as well as one or two depressives who will outlive us all. He is causing no harm at all.
5

Hugo of Garven,

04/05/2009 07:11:01
" . . I'm trying to get dignity in dying and for people to have an exit from this world that is as stress-free as possible."

This is why I support Margo on this.

6

pitpony,

musselburgh 04/05/2009 09:00:18
the church will stick it,s oar in and tell us where going to hell. i have been at the bed side of a loved one when the time has come and a hellish time it was for them.the doctor did the right thing and helped her on her way. and i was very greatfull to that doctor. we no it goes on it,s time it was in the open with no threat,s?
7

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/05/2009 09:51:06
5 & 8 ...Ditto re the doctor...thanks be for compassion....
8

albanman,

Edinburgh 04/05/2009 09:54:17
No.8 pitpony: being with a dying loved one, especially when they're in pain, is exceedingly difficult. I'm sure that she was very grateful for your presence.

As for your comment about being condemned by the Church, I'm not sure which one you mean. Even the Catholic Church, with its strong stance against euthanasia (preferring hospice care) doesn't say that people who take their own lives - or assist others to do so - go to hell.
9

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04/05/2009 10:02:08
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Brodric,

04/05/2009 11:29:03
"He sees no conflict in being a medical doctor who focuses on ways to end people's lives"...."It seems to me that if you're taking your medicine seriously you can't abandon somebody when they are at the very last stage,"

This is how it should be. We have doctors at the beginning of life and at the end and they have to deal with the messy stuff that can arise. And as death is as much a part of life as living it, then doctors remit should be extended to care with a swift and painless delivery of this. This wouldn't make them murderers. It would mean they were practising good medicine that takes care of all the aspects of humanity; body, mind, spirit - and quality of life.

Quality of life is very important. At present the emphasis is on quantity of life BUT quantity of life being lived in agony or in a coma with no signs of real living at all, or with the prospect of choking to death in your own saliva, as your ability to swallow deteriorates, is NOT humane. This is not living for those who can't tolerate it and want to pass on in dignity and, as Margo said, stress free is a vitally important aspect of choosing life and choosing to end life.

Religious ideas have caused us to criminalise suicide (in the past), to villify and shame people who want to end their lives as somehow not being worthy of God's saving grace - whatever we might want to get from that.

I think Dr Philip Nitschke is incredibly brave and precisely because there is no positive rule of euthanasia in this country, is precisely the reason he exists. I watched him on the Big Question yesterday and thought that he was very rational, well informed and caring. Good on him. And I hope Margo's action will mean that his methods are not required.

Oh, and Danbob (11) paracetamol is not an option. You might survive, in great pain, vomiting blood and slowly dying as all your organs pack in. What help is that?
11

greenhill,

04/05/2009 13:40:16
RE:Brodric,04/05/2009 11:29:03

You have too much respect for the medical profession. Bodkin Adams got away with murder on a grand scale because of such naivety allied to BMA obstruction. Human nature has not changed since then and medical Euthanasia would be a license for serial killers to act with impunity.
12

greenhill,

04/05/2009 13:50:46
RE:IndependentlyInclined,Edinburgh 04/05/2009 07:01:13
"The right of the individual to choose their way of death...should be between the individual and their Doctor...After all we all know that euthanasia is practiced every day in our hospitals by compassionate Doctors....I know that my Fathers death from Liver Cancer was brought to an end by a high dose of painkillers....I thank the Doctors for their help in relieving both his and his families pain.... "
............................................

You are not talking about the same issue. The one good thing about about the Bodkin Adams trial was the establishment of "Double Effect".Doctors can shorten life in order to alleviate pain.
13

sam the god,

04/05/2009 14:56:29
well the political/ god squad types shaft you during the rest of your life why change when you are dying. they should put it to the vote and let us decide
14

Pilrig,

Livingston 04/05/2009 16:19:16
We wouldn't want the frail elderly or terminally ill to be burdens on the taxpayer now, would we ?
15

Florestan,

abuja 04/05/2009 16:26:33
Oh f^c£!!! Horrible Cervical Canker is back! I see that even the pro-euthanasia mob are against the visit of this creep, but no, on come our resident nazis and eugenicists telling it like it is!
16

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/05/2009 18:34:05
17..Never been away darling...xx
17

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 04/05/2009 21:10:20
seems a good event for Gordon Brown to take the cabinet on an away day
18

Florestan,

abuja 04/05/2009 21:16:42
#18

No but seriously, do you actually have cervical cancer?
19

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/05/2009 21:29:26
20...Oh sweetheart you are going to have to try a lot harder than that..not exactly intellectually challenging and you know how I hate being bored...

Diddums...wife not putting out?..never mind...give yourself a helping hand...wait a minute..sorry?...what was that?...oh I see the "Wife" is your hand....well jist you bliddy make sure you put a ring on it boy!...cos you know how they like things by the "Book" in the church..heh heh heh...

"NEXT"
20

Florestan,

abuja 04/05/2009 21:35:16
yeah, you do. I thought so, you do.
21

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/05/2009 22:18:55
Heh heh heh....just had this romantic image of you and the "Wife" on honeymoon...just the two of you...nice hotel room and plenty porn...marriage made in heaven eh lad?...but tell me...did you get down on bended knee when ye asked it..sorry her...tae marry ye?...did it..sorry her...put up much o' a fight whin ye took 'er maidenhead eh?...hope ye bought it..sorry her..some flowers after...goat tae keep things romantic like...know whit ah mean?
22

danbob,

04/05/2009 22:20:25
23# You been on the skag?
23

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/05/2009 22:28:56
24..You been on the slag?
24

danbob,

04/05/2009 22:58:44
25# No your wifes tucked up with you isn't she?
25

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

04/05/2009 23:19:42
26...Aye...so whit d'ye reckon?...wis it worth the fifteen quid?...telt ye didnt I boy...next time we'll call it a round twenty and she'll take 'er teeth oot fir the "Special"...bit she asked me tae tell ye thit ye kin noo git "Stain Devils" fir skidmarks....

 

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