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Burning issue: Should Britain hold a referendum on the EU reform treaty?



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NO
Edward Davey MP, Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman
Ever since the Maastricht Treaty was signed in 1992, debate on Europe has served the British public badly. Voters have been left alienated, bored and confused in equal measure.

Yet without successive European treaties there would now be no single
market, no Europe-wide green laws and no co-operation on cross-border crime.

The Lisbon Treaty is a sensible next step, streamlining EU institutions to cope with the enlargement from 15 to 27 member states.

While there are many similarities with the failed constitutional treaty, the significance of the differences has been deliberately downplayed by the Eurosceptics. These differences are critical.

The fundamental difference is that a referendum on the constitutional treaty would have been a vote on a document containing the treaties of Rome, Maastricht, the Single European Act, Amsterdam and Nice – since it repealed all previous treaties. In other words, a referendum on the constitutional treaty would have been a vote on the EU. Lisbon is, in contrast, a standard amending treaty, with much less constitutional effect than Maastricht, on which the Conservatives denied people a vote.

Under Charles Kennedy, Liberal Democrats made it clear that a referendum on the constitution would in essence be a referendum on Britain's membership of the EU. Indeed, the case for an "in/out" referendum has become much stronger over time, given the accumulation of all European treaty change since Britain joined. Moreover, since the last referendum on Europe was held over 30 years ago, it is surely time to ask a new generation of voters their views.

YES
William Hague MP, Conservative shadow foreign secretary


The case for a referendum on the new EU treaty is clear and simple. At the last election every major political party promised a referendum on the EU constitution. It has been almost universally accepted that this treaty is, in substance, virtually the same as the EU constitution.

So there can be no doubt that every party's election manifesto pledge applies fully to this treaty. And there are other powerful reasons why those promises must be honoured.

First, trust in politics has never been lower. We cannot hope to restore it while political parties blatantly ignore the promises on which they were elected.

Secondly, in the 21st century people want more control over their lives. There could be no better way of reconnecting politics with people on a subject like the EU than listening to what people want. As the new Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said only last month, we need "a new politics, of politicians who listen to people, not themselves". Yet he, too, now says he will force Lib Dem MPs to vote against a referendum.

Thirdly, government and MPs have absolutely no democratic mandate to agree to this treaty without consulting the voters. If Gordon Brown gets his way voters would have no chance at all to have their say on this treaty, either at a general election or in a referendum.

Lastly, there is, of course, the fundamental importance of what is in the treaty. This treaty, as in the constitution, would shift a wide range of major powers from Britain to the EU.

Failure to hold a referendum would not only stain politics with the breach of an election promise of the highest importance – it could fatally undermine what little trust there is left in the government.



The full article contains 579 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 22 January 2008 8:28 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: European Union
 
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 23/01/2008 02:31:46
At least the Lib-Dems are consistent they deny all and sundry their democratic right to a referendum.

They need a change of name and I have just the one, "Reactionary Autocrats"
2

Gaius,

23/01/2008 05:34:47
I find it amazing that the cowardly Nulab spin doctors really think we will swallow the latest liquified bovine ordure and accept the new EU Constitution can be nodded through on a sly brown wink and nobody will notice.

The Lib Dems have no idea how damaging their cowardly refusal to take up this issue will damage them at the next election. Electing Clegg was a big mistake and the orange party will receive a terrible squashing at the next election. Juice anyone?

The Conservatives are now the champions of freedom in Britain.

Give us a voice on this important constitutional change! Give us a referendum!

There will be a huge outflow of power from Westminster (and Edinburgh!) once this new constitution is in place. We may also President B'liar if we are not careful!

Is that what we want in Scotland?

Smash the stupid nationalist dream. The UK is one country. Nulab have created this awful mess. Let's learn from history and dump them.

Vote for the Conservative and Unionist Party for a strong UK.

Give us a referendum!
3

WJohn,

North Britain 23/01/2008 09:28:34
Is the Treaty identical in every important aspect to the rejected Constitution?
We will know if those who told us that having the Constitution is absolutely vital to the future of the EU stop pressing for a re-introduction of a Constitution.
4

donald,

glasgow 23/01/2008 09:46:58
Scotland should have a referendum on Independence.

Lib Dums should look for new incomes.
5

stocky,

23/01/2008 11:09:52
UK is not one country , never has been , never will be. That is like saying Europe is one country.
The uk is just a mini version of europe. The UK is not a country .
6

Alberto.,

23/01/2008 11:16:07
From above, by William Hague!

"Failure to hold a referendum would not only stain politics with the breach of an election promise of the highest importance – it could fatally undermine what little trust there is left in the government"

Well said! Although I wonder where he found the 'little trust' referred to - I thought trust like Democracy in our political system, left many years ago, seemingly destined never to return, especially via the EU!

The refusal(?) by Gordon Brown and his incompetent crowd of New Labour, are displaying very clearly, how his Moral Compass is already in a state of malfunction and is in desperate need of recalibrating -most urgently, unless, of course,his statement of Moral Compass was just another New Labour lie, to which we are now well acquainted with, after all, when Gordon is speaking he does always appear to have his 'Tongue in cheek!'
7

Dr. James Wilkie,

Vienna 23/01/2008 12:10:36
To judge from Edward Davey's final paragraph both contributors are in favour of a referendum. However, neither they nor any of the above comments get to the heart of the matter. Which is, that the Lisbon treaty puts the final nail in the coffin of a sovereign United Kingdom (or Scotland for that matter).

Since EU legislation ranks as superior to all national constitutional and statute law (there are decisions of the EU Court to this effect), the UK has now been reduced to the status of a province of a new state to be called "Europe". All of the other international organisations, whether European (CoE, ECE, OSCE, NATO, etc.) or global (UN, WTO, etc.) are intergovernmental in nature. Only the European Union, alone in the world, is supranational - i.e. exercises sovereignty over its member states.

This is stated to be necessary for the EU to function efficiently. I wonder how the vast and complex United Nations Organisation and all the hundreds of others have managed to exist for so long on an intergovernmental basis, and what makes the EU so special in this respect.

After Lisbon, the only tiny remaining fragment of national sovereignty is the theoretical, and in practice virtually unrealisable, right to secede from the EU. This coup d'état by a small pseudo-elite of euro-activists who are out to create a European state to rival the US, Russia, China and India, is almost in its final stage. The last people who are being given a say on the matter are those most concerned - the allegedly sovereign citizens of the member states.

The UK is probably doomed as a constitutional entity, but Scotland still has a chance to avoid falling into the EU trap. It should under no circumstances apply for EU membership. Instead, the status of Norway within Europe should be the aim of all active groups right across the political spectrum.

8

Neil,

Glasgow 23/01/2008 17:14:57
This MP should be ashamed of himself & since no more senior Labour or Labour or LudDim spokesman felt able to answer MR Hague it may be that others were. He asked for votes at the last election on his specific promise to support a referendum on this.

Calling it a treaty not a "consitiution" does not effexct the reality. The reality is that this document contains the rules on how it itself can be altered in future. That is what constitutions do & it puts power in the hands of the EU super state.

I note we have his promise that the party would support a referendum on our continued membership of the EU. I would ask for some evidence that this promise is worth at least 1,000 times what his party's solemn promise is.

 

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