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Call for a ban on Scotland's seal slaughter as population falls



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Published Date: 01 November 2008
ANIMAL welfare groups have called for the Scottish Government to use new marine laws to put a stop to the killing of seals.
Some environment organisations estimate that thousands of seals are killed each year by the fishing industry in an attempt to protect stocks of fish.

Campaigners want the law – which at present allows seals to be shot at any time of year except the breeding season – to be changed.

Scotland's 24,000 common seals make up almost half the European population, but have declined in some areas by 40 per cent since 2001.

The reason for their decline remains unclear, but campaign group Advocates for Animals believes shooting of the animals must stop.

Libby Anderson, the group's political director, says seals should have the same protection as dolphins, porpoises and otters, which must not be killed under the Wildlife and Countryside Act.

"It's ridiculous that we have this internationally important species of marine animals and yet they are allowed to be killed," she said.

"We are guardians of these populations and we really should be protecting them."

Even if a fisherman shoots a seal during the breeding season, a legal defence known as "the netsmen's defence" can be used if the case comes to court.

"It's basically making a mockery of the legislation," said Ms Anderson.

During the breeding season, seals can still be shot if a licence is granted by the Scottish Government – they are regularly granted to fisheries boards.

Calum Duncan, the Scottish conservation officer with the Marine Conservation Society, agrees the Conservation of Seals Act 1970 is out of date.

However, he says there are rare circumstances when seals have to be shot to protect fish farms, when all non-lethal efforts have been unsuccessful. In these circumstances he wants a licensed marksman to be used, and all killings to be recorded.

Bertie Armstrong, the chief executive of the Scottish Fishermen's Federation, called for a sense of balance and for "knee-jerk legislation" to be avoided.

He thinks the rules should remain as they are. "As far as I am aware the population of seals are not radically affected by killing by fish farmers and certainly there is no widespread shooting of seals by commercial fishermen," he said.

He added that in some circumstances it was necessary to kill seals to protect stocks.

He acknowledged that baby seals are "terribly attractive", but added: "Everybody likes Bambi, but killing of deer on the hill is perfectly acceptable."

Brian Davidson, the director of the Association of Salmon Fisheries Boards, wants the Scottish Marine Bill to "maintain provision for some form of mechanism for seal control".

He said "regretfully" it was sometimes necessary to kill seals, but added: "Our member boards do it in a very responsible way, and only when there's a direct risk to fish stocks."

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said there must be a balance between seal conservation and sustainable fisheries.

He added: "We do recognise that there are problems with the current legislation."

The Scottish Marine Bill will come to parliament next year.

FACT BOX

UNDER the Conservation of Seals Act 1970, seals must only be killed using a rifle. They must not be killed by other means, such as with drowning traps or poison.

During the breeding season, seals can only be shot under a special licence from the Scottish Government.

For common seals, the closed season is from 1 June to 31 August. For grey seals it is from 1 September to 31 December.


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  • Last Updated: 31 October 2008 8:55 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Marky Bhoy,

Dunfermline 01/11/2008 00:08:42

Seal culling is legal in Scotland ???????????? WTF

The Scottish Government must outlaw this now .

We spent enough hot air under the last administration banning fur farms although we dont have any .

Alex get on the case now and stop this barbarity
2

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 01/11/2008 00:17:01
There are far too many seals on the west coast of Scotland which have a major negative effect on fish stocks. As far as I am concerned we need to shoot even more of them.
I would like to know where these people who claim they are in decline get their data from because it is not backed up by what we see with our own eyes.
3

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01/11/2008 00:28:16
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Jimmy Connely,

Lergy 01/11/2008 00:43:50
Answer to Nobodican, fishermen and trawler men have a negative effect on fish stocks. On the east coast of fife for examle seals i think have no effect on fish stocks simply becouse man has fished oot the sea, Anyway only a coward and very small minded person could kill a seal by shooting it, shame on us Scotland!
5

jerrymanders,

01/11/2008 00:44:18
If there are lots of fish then there are more seals, less fish fewer seals. Classic predator/prey relationship. The decline is more likely due to over fishing than wholesale slaughter. Very few licences are issued (less than 10 last year I think) so if people are shooting them then it is more than likely to be illegal. Also, when seal populations peak they tend to get a distemper/flu condition that kills a large proportion of them. This happened down south a few years back. Mother Nature to blame?
6

Guga II,

Rockall 01/11/2008 01:11:24
I agree with Nabodican (#2), there are far too many seals on the west coast of Scotland, and a lot more of them need to be shot. There are so many at times that they can become a real pest. Maybe we should start eating them.

7

jerrymanders,

01/11/2008 01:57:41
#6

If there are lots of seals then there are lots of fish, no?
8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 01/11/2008 02:53:57



Quite honestly! Who are we, to Decide What Life,...

...'Lives or Dies'?

All Life has, 'Purpose' in our Lives, we may be too Stupid to realise this!

Soo the 'Aliens' come down tomorrow, and start Murdering our Babies and Wife's, because we cause 'Pollution'!....

Speaks Mountains,..'Don't-It'!?

BUT HOLD ON!!

WE CAUSE POLLUTION!

WE SHOULD BE,...."Culled", By the 'Alien' Force!

THINK ABOUT IT!
9

Guga II,

Rockall 01/11/2008 06:19:51
#8 Charlie.

I take it that you must be a veggie then Charlie, if you don't believe in killing animals?
10

Travis,

Chicago 01/11/2008 06:27:11

Charles Linskaill always enjoy your point of view. Agreeing with it is another thing altogether.
11

Law abiding ,

01/11/2008 07:00:37
Speaking of knee-jerk reaction to this is what dear Bertie exhibits. The same tired argument everytime scientific data show that we are harming the ecosystem. The balance point is when there is not killing. Zero is balance. Then we work from there on what we know from the range of scientists, as opposed to "What I can see from my door is..."

He makes sweeping comments that might not reflect the majority of the population, such as, "Killing a deer on a hill is perfectley acceptable" or "As far as I am aware..." Bertie, there may be things even you are unaware of. Keep an open mind here and look at the bigger picture of the seal population at large.

"Bertie Armstrong, the chief executive of the Scottish Fishermen's Federation, called for a sense of balance and for "knee-jerk legislation" to be avoided.

He thinks the rules should remain as they are. "As far as I am aware the population of seals are not radically affected by killing by fish farmers and certainly there is no widespread shooting of seals by commercial fishermen," he said.

He added that in some circumstances it was necessary to kill seals to protect stocks.

He acknowledged that baby seals are "terribly attractive", but added: "Everybody likes Bambi, but killing of deer on the hill is perfectly acceptable."
12

A Crofter,

Western Isles 01/11/2008 07:57:39
Personally, I'd rather see the seals around our shores than the disgusting mess of salmon farming (mostly owned by the cuddly Norwegians). A population of 24,000 of these creatures is hardly an epidemic.

When does the Marine Harvest hunting season open?
13

drunken proffet,

Tassy 01/11/2008 08:13:16
I would rather eat a salmon than a seal. Also they taste lousy, have no great attraction to tourists and to date no political representation. Mind you much the same as human beings after the cannibal races died out.
14

old soldier,

Muir-of-Ord 01/11/2008 08:43:12
The over population of these vermin causes their numbers to fall, there is far to many of them anyway and reduced numbers is the natural way of the wild
15

8noodles,

01/11/2008 09:06:27
I think people who say we have too many seals in Scotland and that they eat too many fish should maybe look at it this way, How many human's are there in Scotland and how many fish do we eat? does that mean we get to kill people like you to cut the numbers or what? if not then why like wise.
When i see a seal that can catch thousands of fish in one go like we do with boats then maybe i will agree with you but until then we are the one's to blame, sorry YOU nabodican and people like you are the one's to blame
16

gus1940,

Edinburgh 01/11/2008 09:24:04
Just like with raptors and game birds seals have evolved over millions of years alongside fish without the fish population being endangered.

When are those advocating the culling of raptors and seals going to get it into their thick heads that any decline in population of game birds or fish is entirely due to the interference of those humans who hunt them.- perhaps they should be the subject of a cull (especially The Countryside Alliance).
17

Boy Wonder,

01/11/2008 09:42:52
Seal Recipes

Seal Ribs
Cut the ribs up in manageable size pieces. Salt and pepper the ribs. Broil until crispy. This recipe is better if cooked over a fire or coals. Barbeque sauce can be used, but just plain salt and pepper is best.

Seal Liver or Heart
After soaking over night, cut liver or heart in small steak size pieces. Dip the steak pieces in seasoned flour mix (flour, salt, pepper, garlic powder) and fry in grease. This recipe is very good fried with onions.

Seal Steak
Cut steak size pieces from the shoulder area and season with salt, pepper, and garlic. Fry or broil. Also good on the barbeque.

Seal Roast
Cut meat from the breast area, place in roasting pan with lots of onions, a few potatoes, and carrots. Season with salt, pepper, and garlic. Bake at 350 degrees for approximately 2 hours. Roasting bags can be used and makes for a very tender roast.

Beach-Fire Seal Shoulder Roast
Take the shoulder blade with plenty of meat on it, season with salt, pepper and garlic, then wrap in tin foil. Place shoulder blade side down on coals. About 15 minutes before finished cooking, place beach peas, greens and burn it in the foil with some Lee & Perrins sauce. Cook until done.

Boiled Seal Intestines
After cleaning out the small intestines (baking soda or salt can be used, making sure to thoroughly rinse out), soak over night. After soaking, take intestines and slice a small 1 inch incision length wise every 6 inches or so. Stuff about 2 inch sized pieces of fat into incisions. Braid the intestines with the inserted fat and boil in shallow water for about 1 hour. Serve with Lee & Perrins sauce and rice. Also good cold, sliced and placed on bread with fancy mustard.

Seal Burger on the Grill (Serves many)
Take about 3 pounds of burger (ground with some fat, maybe 5%), add 4 eggs, about 3 cups of chopped onions and salt and pepper to taste. Mix all ingredients very well, then shape into huge burgers and grill until done. Serve burgers with
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Boy Wonder,

01/11/2008 09:43:45
(continued)

Sea Lion Burger on the Grill (Serves many)
Take about 3 pounds of burger (ground with some fat, maybe 5%), add 4 eggs, about 3 cups of chopped onions and salt and pepper to taste. Mix all ingredients very well, then shape into huge burgers and grill until done. Serve burgers with fresh steamed fireweed sprouts and rice.

Sea Lion Stir Fry
Take stew size chunks of sea lion meat, flour and season them, then stir fry until almost done. Add a bit more flour and water to make a sauce. Simmer until done and serve over rice or noodles.

Sea Lion Meat, Neck Bone, and Stone Soup
Take stew size chunks of sea lion meat and the neck bones and boil with seasonings of your choice. Add veggies and simmer until done. The neck bones are good to chew on.

Sea Lion Flipper Over a Fire-Pit
Take sea lion flipper and place on the fire to burn off the hair and black skin. This doesn't take very long- maybe a 1/2 an hour with a good fire. Remove the hair and skin as you turn the flipper. Once all is removed, let cool. Place the flipper in a bag with seasonings (salt and pepper) and let sit in a cool place for a day. When ready to cook, simmer the flipper in a big pot with shallow water for about 1 hour. Once fully cooked, take the flipper out and place on a large platter. Eat hot or cold.

19

Fifi la Bonbon,

01/11/2008 09:49:03
He acknowledged that baby seals are "terribly attractive", but added: "Everybody likes Bambi, but killing of deer on the hill is perfectly acceptable."


Killing Bambi is perfectly acceptable? Big eyed cuddwy-wuddwy Bambi? The monster!
20

Fifi la Bonbon,

01/11/2008 09:50:44
An awful lot of the commenters here basically don't like humans.
21

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 01/11/2008 10:33:35
#21 Which one?
22

New kid on the blog,

Borders 01/11/2008 10:34:36
17. Hope you come back as a seal, Boy Blunder.
23

St Monance,

Toronto 01/11/2008 10:45:42
Come and take all the seals you want from Canada's east Coast. We'd be delighted to get our fisheries back. Since the baby seal hunt was stopped the fisheries have been destroyed. The seals eat them and the fisherfolk have had to abandon their culture of centuries for cities and factories. An utter tragedy and bad for the health of those who now eat fish fed artificially in fish farms. So do, fix up your seal numbers with our vast overpopulation of seals.
24

New kid on the blog,

Borders 01/11/2008 11:26:26
25. What makes you think YOU/we have more right to eat the fish than the seals, who BELONG in the sea?

Gods forbid the lives of baby seals be put before the likes of you! After all. there's nothing else for us humans to eat but fish is there?
25

lodger,

Highland 01/11/2008 11:50:39
Oh dear me what will the poor cuddly killer whales have to feast on if all the nice cuddly seal pups are killed by us?
Its great crack to watch them hunting quietly along the beach in the early morning and listening for the sounds of the pups in the water before calling in reinforcements to complete the ambush.
MUNCHIES!!!!
Maybe they should be required to obtain a licence before eating their natural food.
26

Brodric,

01/11/2008 11:53:39
SHOCKING! It should be stopped now.
27

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 01/11/2008 12:03:17
#26
Like many posters here today, you have read a sensationalist headline and reached for your keyboard without reading the article. Nobody is clubbing anything over the head.

I have mixed views about seal culls. These are lovely animals that are relatively unafraid of humans and to kill them often seems to be a gross and barbaric breach of trust.

But we must remember that seals can cause immense damage - costing tens if not hundreds of thousands of pounds - to fish nets and cages. Unfortunately this is often in areas where the local economy is fragile enough already and puts jobs and communities at risk. However that does not justify a cull because the damage is usually caused by an individual animal that has forsaken its natural hunting instincts for a much easier life. These rogue seals go further and often just take a single bite out of several salmon - rendering them unsaleable. The only choice is to shoot the seal or close down the fishery.

I'm unconvinced that the decline in seal population is related to culling which accounts for a tiny proportion. Seals have recently suffered from a terrible and widespread lethal virus and have also been forced to follow their food to different areas.

It's too easy to take a blinkered and entrenched view on such an emotive issue and I'm glad to see Bertie Armstrong taking such a reasonably balanced view - albeit with a rather tactless analogy!
28

decent one,

01/11/2008 13:29:33
5.5 million Scots = No problem

24 000 common seals = Epidemic

Ah, life is strange when viewed through human tinted glasses.
29

Dunnie,

Canada 01/11/2008 13:58:19

31 - GTF! Before humans arrived, did animals have rights? As Jackie said, start thinking with your heed.

Seals also infect most fish stocks. As the seals are infested with worms, most bottom-feeding fish species were (and are) absolutely loaded with worms to the point that in the latter days of the now-collapsed cod industry, companies spent hundreds of thousands in technology to detect and remove the pests.

Culls can be beneficial if managed properly and based on sound and accountable science and not headlines found in the tabloid press.
30

jerrymanders,

01/11/2008 14:11:46
#33

Those worms cycle naturally through the fish and seals. The seal is the intermediate host and the fish the final host of the parasite. This parasitical relationship has been going on for millenia. The "now-collapsed cod industry" collapsed because of our greed and short sightedness. How can we manage seal culls when we couldn't manage once abundant fish stocks?
31

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 01/11/2008 14:19:39
#31
No need to blubber! :)
Seriously, if I understand your post correctly, I think I agree with you on all counts - if you had bothered to read my post at 30 properly - just as I also agree with Dunnie. It's a question of achieving a balance that provides good healthy husbandry for the seal population whilst enabling humans to continue to live and work in remote communities.
32

doublescotch,

U.S.A 01/11/2008 14:26:59
#20 FiFi there used to be a saying:
"I Love Mankind it's people I can't stand..."
33

Dunnie,

Canada 01/11/2008 14:28:30

34 - good points which I agree with. My only point was that in the final years worm infestation had overwhelmed the stock.

As to what killed our cod industry, you absolutely bang on - human greed and wanton ignorance as displayed by the Russian, Polish, Portugese and Spanish factory ships that routinely fished out our waters thanks to our gutless politicans.
34

Doug Munroe,

Ottawa, Canada 01/11/2008 14:34:35
Every year we hear the same whine here from Green peace and others regarding the seals. Meanwhile the cute little "animals" ate Atlantic Cod until the stock was in danger of depletion. They also have eaten fish until a vibrant fishing industry is a thing of the past and many of my relatives have had to move inland and find other jobs....
35

jerrymanders,

01/11/2008 14:55:54
#37

Perhaps the "gutless" politicians had worms too!

#38

Ah......I remember when there were thousands of fishing boats, all came home laden with fish. Dangerous work but the rewards were good. The fish themselves were huge, real specimens. Every trip was successful. Catches were guaranteed. We thought it would never end. But it did. I wish my forefathers hadn't been so greedy.
36

sam the god,

01/11/2008 15:02:32
where can i get a licence to shoot them? I must do my bit to help preserve fish stocks.
37

jerrymanders,

01/11/2008 15:05:39
#40

Scottish Government website. Download the relevant forms from there. You'll find them in the section called "Seal Slaughter Applications"
38

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 01/11/2008 15:07:11
#38
No, your fish stocks were ransacked by the Spaniards . . . after they had destroyed ours!
39

St Monance,

Toronto 01/11/2008 16:00:03
No question but that humans are not very good at managing the abundant resources God gave us . . . and when the oceans and waterways are shared between nations, there is no incentive on their part to preserve and protect: only greed and vandalism. But we are learning the error of our ways. And one of those errors is the overpopulation of the seal after the elimination of its natural enemies and massive limitations on their human ones. Balance is needed. And the seals are out of balance.
And while we worry about cute baby seals, we seem inurred to to suffering of countries with starving populations who would benefit from both the fish and seal protein and who will eventually rise-up in their misery and take what they both want and need.
40

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01/11/2008 16:55:25
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"Scotty",

Usa 01/11/2008 17:05:47
Hear, hear Number 1.
.
Number 2; perhaps there aren't enough fish available because of all the over fishing due to too many people on this earth?? And I'm not veggie.
42

Scotish Exile,

01/11/2008 17:31:17
If there are problems with fish numbers in the seas, then don't blame the seals, blame, the greedy corrupt fishermen that would fish the seas dry if they could!
43

jerrymanders,

01/11/2008 18:25:16
#44

Save the krill, kill the whales!
44

Scot Patriat,

Bandon 01/11/2008 18:32:21
Foxes and rabbit populations are correlated and have their cycles just as Seals and fish.
The same is true on the west coast of North America
Killer whales eat seals and their population is correlated to the rise and ebb of seal populations.
Nature has a way of balancing the species unless man slaughters huge numbers needlessly1
45

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 01/11/2008 19:19:39
Q : How do tell a seal from a walrus
A : By the club marks on its head !!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, how on earth do they come to a figure of 24,000? if this is the case they all live on Skye and the western isle.
Every time something "cute & cuddly" gets mentioned whether it be seals,deer,foxes, otters etc we have all the townies up in arms. They never consider those who have to control the numbers in order to help keep a balance and also protect their own way of life.
46

the fat knackered Aussie chef who only body surfs,

dicky beach 01/11/2008 20:01:27
one of the most amazing things I saw during my stay in Scotland was a seal chasing salmon up the River Ness. The salmon thought it would be safe to jump up the bank - only metres from me - and then out came the seal

fantastic.

someone tell the idiots killing the seals that the seals are probably a lot smarter than those doing the killing
47

Silent Hunter,

01/11/2008 20:48:41
Seals DON'T cause reduction in fish stocks.......

OVERFISHING does!

Perhaps if the fishermen of 20 years ago weren't so greedy..........their children might have an industry left to follow.
48

jerrymanders,

01/11/2008 20:53:48
#49

I am not a Townie. What really gets me is when "country folk" won't listen to the science based arguments presented to them. Too many think that they know it all because their father and grandad told them it was so. Too many fishermen still think that they are not responsible for over fishing. They still believe that there are more fish stocks in the sea than the science suggests. They believe that by culling seals the fish stocks will increase and the problems will go away. It's like gamekeepers who still believe that every "hook beak" should be shot, trapped and poisoned. Despite the fact that their estate puts 20,000 birds out a season and most are lost through poor management, the cold and wet, and straying. So seals get into fish cages, make the cages better! Deer numbers can be sensibly managed but far too many estates want lots of deer for shooting clients, hence unnaturally high numbers. Hence no natural regeneration of forest. If landowners in Scotland were keen to restore Native Woodland then deer numbers should be brought down to about a fifth of what they are now. Guess what? They don't want a cull! Because it doesn't suit them. Please tell me that you don't "manage" otters? Just because that is always the way that "country folk" have done things doesn't mean that it's what they should continue to do.
49

adsullata,

pdx 01/11/2008 21:08:35
A 13 year old girl was stoned today by "dozens of men" in Somalia in front of 1000 spectators. The perverted Islamics fundamentalists. She was raped by 3 men and they accused HER of adultery. 13 fricken years old!

and here we are posting concerns over seals getting killed.

Sigh... what is wrong with us?

I pray. I pray that some deity will remove the sick perverted bstrds of fundamentalist Islam off the face of the earth. (but then they aren't the only sick perverted ones are they?)

Have a day of peace everyone. I'm going to go have a good cry.
50

Bridget Curran,

Halifax, NS Canada 02/11/2008 01:51:41
St. Monance, contrary to your claims, the slaughter of baby seals on Canada's east coast does continue, funded by taxpayer dollars (despite the fact that the majority of Canadians oppose the commercial seal hunts). A pup of two weeks, not yet eating solid food, unable to swim, defend himself or escape from sealers - you call that an *adult*? Hardly.

Seals worldwide are not responsible for the woeful state of fish stocks. Human greed and destructive fishing practices are to blame. Seals have been scapegoated by governments to appease fishermen in order to get their votes. Government officials and fishermen who stubbornly ignore science and continue to insist that killing seals will bring the fish back and that humans need to "manage populations" or "keep a balance" should step forward into the 21st century.

As for St. Monance's comment regarding his/her seal-killing "culture" - Speaking as someone who lives in Atlantic Canada with roots in Newfoundland and Cape Breton, where seal pups are brutally slaughtered each year, I reject this so-called "culture". If my culture involved bludgeoning the defenseless infant of a species with wooden bats or hakapiks, kicking them in the face and slicing them open with box cutters while they're still struggling, I would be far too ashamed to brag about it.

Shame on Scotland. Shame on Canada. Shame on all countries on this earth that allow seals to be cruelly slaughtered under the guise of "culture", "tradition" or "economic necessity". There is never justification for animal cruelty. There are always alternatives to killing seals. Unfortunately, for some "cultures", killing is seen as the most convenient option.

http://www.antisealingcoalition.ca
51

St Monance,

Toronto 02/11/2008 03:05:09
My famiy were commercial fishermen whose livelihood was destroyed by the infestation of lamprey eels, a non-native entity that entered the Great Lakes through the folly of man. Humans were created to eat meat, but can survive on vegetation if forced to do so. The out-of-control seals are stealing food from my table and I have a right to defend myself and my species. Let the anti-sealers have the stage but #53 is the only sane blogger on this site.
52

MacMerrynoon,

Torino 02/11/2008 11:50:42
Long live the seals!
53

jerrymanders,

02/11/2008 12:13:49
#55

We stole from them.
54

St Monance,

Toronto 02/11/2008 23:45:10
#57 Who did we steal from? The European countries that bred the lamprey eels and their natural predators that destroyed an industry by hiking a ride to Canada. Or the mussels that came in on the hulks of European boats that did not know they were boarded by hijakcers of a clean lake? Who is the villain here?
55

Bondbabe,

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA 03/11/2008 17:33:51
Has it ever occurred to any of you radical anti-seal conservators that the only entity responsible for the decline of fish in all our oceans is overfishing, greed, trawlers that take in more fish in one day than used to take in an entire month, "sweepers" that virtually kill everything in their way while sweeping the ocean floors and the huge appetite of mankind who is getting fatter by the moment?

Leave the seals be. They have as much a right to fish as we do. As far as fish farms are concerned, they're bloody hotbeds of bacteria and disease! Who wants to eat that garbage - I sure don't!

 

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