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Published Date: 05 December 2008
UNIVERSITIES in England could become larger and better funded than those in Scotland and other parts of the UK, a report warned yesterday.
The study, by Universities UK, considered the impact of devolution on higher education.

It found that although higher education was growing in all four countries, England had moved ahead on student numbers and research funding, compared to universities in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

The report highlighted concerns about tuition fee policies.

It noted that the different fee regimes that had sprung up since devolution had created "complexity" for students from one part of the UK who wanted to study in another.





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  • Last Updated: 04 December 2008 8:48 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

The Answer,

Glasgow 05/12/2008 00:32:52
8% is Scotlands share of the UK population

7% is Scotlands contribution of full time undergraduates to UK universities 2008 entry

12 new english undergraduates for every 1 new scottish undergraduate 2008 entry

7% of Scotland domiciled fulltime new undergraduates 2008 elected to study in England.

1% of England domiciled fulttime new undergraduates 2008 elected to study in Scotland
2

Donnie Murdo,

Western Isles 05/12/2008 07:48:34
1

Prove your assertion with a link. Immediately or go home to your fish fingers and beans.
3

gus1940,

Edinburgh 05/12/2008 08:07:02
#1

How many Scottish school leavers were in possession of the necessary qualifications for university entrance and how many of these failed to get a university place?

Same question for English school leavers.

How many university places in Scotland?

How many English students at Scottish universities?

Answers please.
4

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 05/12/2008 08:20:54
3 gus1940
I don't know if the figures you ask for are available. But what point are you trying to make?

Different universities have different entry requirements for different courses. They receive applications from all over the world and it is up to them to decide who they accept.

They often detail a minimum requirement and if the number of applications exceeds the number of places available they have to decide which ones will be accepted.

Conversely, if the number of applications is below the number of places available for a course they may accept applicants with less than the previously dtailed minimum.
5

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 05/12/2008 08:37:53
It is hardly surprising that universities in England have more funds. The do, after all, charge top-up fees to domestic students while those in Scotland do not.

6

gus1940,

Edinburgh 05/12/2008 10:29:49
#4

The point I am trying to make and I thought it would be obvious is that there are thousands of English students attending Scottish universities taking up places which could be filled by properly qualified Scottish students.

If more places were made available at Scottish universities for suitably qualified applicants it follows that there would be more Scottish graduates.

Do you now understand what I am getting at?

7

Ugly George,

edinburgh 05/12/2008 11:15:11
6 gus1940
I thought that is what you were saying but I question the practicality of it. Universities are meant to select applicants on merit. If they receive more applications with the minimum entry requirements than there are places they have to select the best applicants.

Are you saying that Scottish universities should accept students from Scotland with lower qualifications than those from other parts of the UK. That is the only way in which your proposals would work.
8

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 05/12/2008 11:44:29
7 gus1940
PS
The reality is that a student who is unsuccessful with one university usually then gains entry to another with lower entry requirements. Thus a student who is unsuccessful with St Andrews may go to Aberdeen or one who is unsuccessful with Heriot Watt may go to Napier - one of the "new" universities which accepts students with comparatively low qualifications.

Many of these new universities accept students with lower qualifications only to find that a larger proportion drop out as they are not up to the course. If a student can't get in to Napier, Abertay, Paisley etc then he/she is probably not suited to a university course.

The idea that able students in Scotland are being deprived of a university education by large numbers of students from England is a fallacy.
9

Calvinist,

05/12/2008 14:45:58
This was entirely predictable. I urge everyone in Scotland who cares about the future of higher education in Scotland to write to Fiona Hyslop as her ask as a matter of urgency to hold a debate on the funding of our(until recently)great institutions of higher learning. This an issue of much greater importance than HBOS. Come on Nationalists speak up for Scotland not SNP policy.
10

Brad,

Glasgow 05/12/2008 18:16:15
#6, perhaps also we could make Scottish employers give Scots-born applicants (who meet the qualification criteria) first dibs on jobs. That would reduce unemployment... err, naw.
11

The Answer,

Glasgow 08/12/2008 18:14:38
"2 Donnie Murdo,Western Isles 05/12/2008 07:48:34


Prove your assertion with a link. Immediately or go home to your fish fingers and beans."


UCAS WebSite link.
tinyurl.com/6kmkyz
12

The Answer,

Glasgow 08/12/2008 18:16:28
"3 gus1940,Edinburgh 05/12/2008 08:07:02
#1

How many Scottish school leavers were in possession of the necessary qualifications for university entrance and how many of these failed to get a university place?

Same question for English school leavers.

How many university places in Scotland?

How many English students at Scottish universities?

Answers please. "


Enjoy:

tinyurl.com/6kmkyz



13

The Answer,

Glasgow 08/12/2008 18:20:04
"6 gus1940,Edinburgh 05/12/2008 10:29:49
#4

The point I am trying to make and I thought it would be obvious is that there are thousands of English students attending Scottish universities taking up places which could be filled by properly qualified Scottish students.

If more places were made available at Scottish universities for suitably qualified applicants it follows that there would be more Scottish graduates.

Do you now understand what I am getting at?"

7% od scotch elect to be educated at English universities.

1% of England domiciled fulltime new undergraduates 2008 elected to be educated at a scotch universitie.

UCAS
tinyurl.com/6kmkyz

14

The Answer,

Glasgow 08/12/2008 18:22:52
"9 JayDeeTee,05/12/2008 13:08:02
#1. 99% of us think you are a t*wat."

WHY?

Is the truth about the scotch so hard when facts get in the way of myths....



UCAS website
tinyurl.com/6kmkyz

 

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