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Published Date: 13 January 2009
STATE pupils could have to visit private schools in order to study for qualifications dropped by cash-strapped councils.
Local authorities across Scotland have been forced to cut the provision of some Advanced Higher courses because of a lack of funding.

The toughest exam available at school level is expensive to run as it is taken only by the most able teenagers in
the country, meaning teachers often have just a handful of pupils in a class.

It has now been suggested that private and state schools discuss ways to make sure the courses remain available, with pupils from the two sectors attending classes together at one of the locations.

In Renfrewshire, the need to cut costs has resulted in the Advanced Higher being dropped at schools such as Paisley Grammar, which no longer offers the qualification in chemistry, physics or English to the "outrage and disbelief" of staff.

Pupils in the Borders are similarly affected, with Peebles High pupils reportedly going to a private school in order to take both modern studies and history at the Advanced level.

Highland Council was faced with having to drop the qualification in all schools, apart from five in Inverness, after a 3 per cent cut in its staffing budget last year, while Aberdeenshire is looking at making the courses viable by linking pupils across the area through video link.

The idea of a joint approach has the support of schools from both the state and independent sectors.

Judith Sischy, director of the Scottish Council of Independent Schools, said: "It seems sensible for schools, wherever they are, to share resources if it will give young people opportunities to study subjects that would otherwise be denied to them."

Liz Smith, the Scottish Tories' schools spokeswoman, said: "It is an idea we are keen to foster on both sides because it is important for pupils to get to do the courses they need to get into university.

"The last thing we want is for the future careers of pupils to be compromised by the fact that their school doesn't offer the courses they need.

"Advanced Highers are quite specialist and not every school can possibly run every Advanced Higher course, as you need quite specialist teachers."

She believes finances may not even be a factor. She said: "If it was perhaps a handful of pupils in each local area, then I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be a charge.

"I believe every pupil in Scotland who wants to study a particular exam should be given the opportunity to do so."

The Scotsman has learned that private schools suffer from the expense of offering the minority subjects as much as state schools, and would welcome a reciprocal arrangement with the state sector, without money exchanging hands.

The Association of Directors of Education in Scotland also indicated it would be supportive of the idea.

A spokesman said: "There is no reason why it shouldn't work, particularly in cases where you have schools very close together with pupils studying minority subjects."

BACKGROUND

ADVANCED Highers were last month given greater weight as qualifications, bringing them more in line with A-levels.

The universities admissions body, UCAS, gave the exams a higher rating which will make it easier for candidates to win places at universities.

An independent review judged the value of some Scottish qualifications to be too low.

The move will come into force from 2010. Last year, 18,854 Advanced Highers were taken by pupils, up from 17,831 the previous year.






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  • Last Updated: 12 January 2009 10:28 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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Fifi la Bonbon,

13/01/2009 00:37:52
"In Renfrewshire, the need to cut costs has resulted in the Advanced Higher being dropped at schools such as Paisley Grammar, which no longer offers the qualification in chemistry, physics or English to the "outrage and disbelief" of staff."

Renfrewshire, like Edinburgh and Aberdeen, is run by an SNP - Lib Dem Alliance.

I'm just saying.
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Miss A.,

Anytown, USA 13/01/2009 02:56:45
More of our schools are offering online courses to help deal with situations like this, in addition to stem overcrowding, and give students opportunities they would not normally have.
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W Smith,

Middle East 13/01/2009 03:49:42
I blame the incompetant lefties for all of this. Most of them couldn't run a corner shop never mind an education system.

In Australia, some kids are taught over the internet if they live in the outback.

Some of these Ozzy kids, who have to live in the Middle East as dad is working here, continue with their educaion on line.

If these Ozzy kids end up more educated than the kids in Glasgow, Dundee, Edingburgh than that tells us how 'good' the Scottish education system is.

The problem with on line educaton is the kids don't have much interaction with other kids.

On the other hand I doubt if that is much of a handicip compared to being brought up by a single mum in Glasgow and all your brothers and sisters have different fathers and mum's been on the dole for 10 years.

BTW
I see there was a demonstration in Dundee City Square SUPPORTING teacher Michael Barile who was sacked for sorting out some yobs.

THE LOCAL SNP MSPs WERE CONSPICUOUS BY THER ABSENCE.

I SUPPOSE SOME OF THEM WERE MORE INTERESTED IN DEMONSTRATING ABOUT THE WAR IN GAZA.
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!Ya basta!,

13/01/2009 04:18:31
W Smith. You are wrong.

I blame the incompetent free marketeers for all this.

There is something VERY wrong when we have BILLIONS to bail out the incompetent and corrupt private sector but we don't have even a few tens of thousands for essential public sector activities like education.

The private sector has never been able to exist without public subsidy. It's the same old story. Private profit, public subsidy.

Imagine what could be done for education, health, social welfare etc. with just a tiny wee fraction of what is being GIVEN to the banks.

The banking sector are a bunch of sanctimonious, spineless, greedy and destructive subsidy junkies, we should have let them go to the wall. All of them. They couldn't put up with 10% of the hardships that public sector workers, who are just trying to do something worthwhile, have to put up with.

You have customers. Big deal. We have patients. We have pupils. We have principles you have profit.
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Scotindy,

Los Angeles 13/01/2009 06:47:39
The sooner the REFERENDUM on INDEPENDENCE is here the better. We in Scotland are suffering from english mismanagement, and it creeps over the Border in Financial cuts. What are we thinking, we are RICH in our RESCOURCES, WE are RICH WITH OUR COMMUNITY, WE are RICH WITH OUR INDUSTRY. But we still wish to hang on to a CORRUPT BANKRUPT country called england. SCOTLAND will be at the Olympics in 2012 as an INDEPENDENT COUNTRY. England will be absent,not allowed, they will be playing with something called gb??????????????
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Walter Ego,

Durness 13/01/2009 06:57:15
Another SNP shambles. Scotland deserves better.
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Navvy,

13/01/2009 07:59:14
this is all to do with the Labour legacy.

I hope that private schools play it tough with a government who have set out to make their life hard

Never forget that parents who send their children to private schools are subsidising the state sector
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larryt,

13/01/2009 08:13:10
This is already happening to a fair degree among state schools and has been going on for years. Only yesterday I met a sixth year girl who spends only one day a week at her own school as most of her sixth year courses are at another school. It has long been the practise that all courses are not offered at all schools because of poor take up and cost, especially in smaller schools.
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 13/01/2009 08:17:25
We are told that our schools are embarking on a "Curriculum for Excellence". It is a peculiar form of "excellence" that involves scrapping the most advanced courses.
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tearortwo,

burton on trent 13/01/2009 09:25:07
It is not possible to provide every course, on every subject, for every pupil at every school and the idea that public and private schools work together to allieviate this, quite natural shortcoming, is eminently sensible and, hopefully, provides a model for for further beneficial integration.
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11+failed,

the pans 13/01/2009 09:32:22
This is a result of trying to meet silly targets such as 50% going into Higher education. Concentrate on maximising school throughput by filling classes in Mickey Mouse subjects while neglecting the able pupils taking Advanced Maths, science and languages.
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Number 6,

Germany 13/01/2009 10:10:24
All due to the dumbing down of education by Labour. If you think it is bad in Scotland have a look what Labour are doing in England. Not only are they allowing Heads to drop the word "School" but they are also getting rid of both Geography and History, to be replaced by more "Life based subjects."

Unionistas trying to blame the SNP show just how succesful Labour have been at smashing education standards. Thick and ignorant, they will parrot what ever their Labour handlers tell them.

Just look at some of the comments here trying to deflect responsibility away from their London based heros. How weak and pathetic these people are, more than happy to let Labour continue to destroy their children's future . Better that than taking responsibility for it themselves. The very word brings them out in a cold sweat.
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Incandescent,

13/01/2009 10:33:32
#16 Scott.Webb - "The only ones who will get ANY higher education in future are the ones compliant to the New Age agenda"

"New Age"? Cue the pan pipes and holistic massage. Surely you mean New World Order?
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 13/01/2009 10:40:01
19 Number 6
Education is a devolved matter and is therefore entirely the responsibility Scottish govt and the per capita funding for education in Scotland is considerably higher than the UK average through the Barnett formula.

If there are problems with Scottish education then it is up to the Scottish govt to deal with them and nothing to do with London Labour now.
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13/01/2009 10:44:46
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Starkravingsane,

Edinburgh 13/01/2009 11:13:48
Why not have the advanced highers available at college? The kids from all over an area could attend the one class.
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Number 6,

Germany 13/01/2009 11:48:22
#20 Is that the survey that put english kids ahead of germans in maths and science ??. The most ridicolous claim EVER.

The facts are that in England , Geography and History ARE BEING DROPPED. Denying it in order to support your Labour heros does, as I said, prove that Labour's attempts to dumb down education has worked.

The "Fact" that english kids are ahead of Scots is an even bigger indictment of Labour.

Of course, dolts like your good self have no chance of EVER being able to comprehend that.
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Number 6,

Germany 13/01/2009 11:53:18
Ugly George. The SNP have only just got their feet under the table. Labour have been in charge of Scottish education for most of the last 50 years. The deep rooted problems, in terms of standards are due to Labours hopeless handling of the country over the decades.

When will people like you and Vinny ever get a grip. Your student politic utterances are an embarresment.

To expect SNP to wave a majic wand and cure all overnight while giving Labour decades to get it right without ever complaining, shows just how weak people like you are. Sheep,
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

13/01/2009 13:15:57
#4 Ya Basta reckons:

"I blame the incompetent free marketeers for all this.
There is something VERY wrong when we have BILLIONS to bail out the incompetent and corrupt private sector but we don't have even a few tens of thousands for essential public sector activities like education."

In fact us free marketeers support you in this. It's the essence of the free market that incompetent financiers are permitted to go bankrupt and other more careful companies take their business.

Don't confuse free marketeers with Brown and Darling's bailout schemes for idiots and charlatans. That's socialism.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

13/01/2009 13:19:09
Jeese. These Lefties are so obsessed with Israel and Palestine they feel compelled to insert it into every discussion.

This is Earth Calling: nobody cares except your fellow obsessives. Rescue any civilians on either side who still have the wit to want to leave and then let the savages on both sides kill each other with instructions to drop us a line when they have a "winner".
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Number 6,

Germany 13/01/2009 14:41:16
#37 Sadly there's no point in asking him or any other unionista to explain those points. They haven't a clue, parrotting anything their unionista handlers put before them.

Only in Scotland, would you come across such self loathing and feelings of worthlessness.Such fear of self determination and responsibility.

All together now for the unionista mantra :

"We cannae dae it on oor own"

"We cannae dae it on oor own"

Repeat adnauseam.
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Miss H,

13/01/2009 15:18:09
In Scotland is the responsibility of individual schools and local authorities to determine the delivery of qualifications in response to local circumstances and their students' needs.

The provision of advanced highers in the Renfrewshire Council area depends on the individual schools. This year's arrangements are exactly the same as they were in the past. The advanced highers on offer will depend on the choices that students make, and that will then determine the consortium arrangements across the Renfrewshire Council area.

People may well disagree with the decisions taken by individual schools or local authorities but to say that they are a consequence of 'cuts' is just wrong. The Scottish Government has increased the budget to local authorities by 5 per cent, 4.1 per cent and 3.4 per cent in the next three years. That is a greater budget increase than the Scottish Government has received from Westminster.

It may well be the case that schools get together to provide certain subjects - you could have one school providing advanced highers in a particular subject which can be attended by pupils from a wider catchment area and so on. Or you could have peripatetic teachers. I don't see that there is anything wrong with state and independent schools sharing resources in this way to be honest.
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rugbyman,

13/01/2009 15:26:38
The real tragedy of the comments on this story is the fact that it turns into a slanging match between Labour and SNP as to who is to blame. This neatly overlooks the two most important facets of the debate on education highlighted by the story, which, in my humble view are:

1. Why is it that private schools are being asked to help out the public sector at the same time as the public sector is threatening private schools with withdrawal of the charitable status which allows them to provide the breadth of courses and class sizes which are now being taken advantage of by the public sector ? You don't hear hardworking parents who pay school fees out of their already taxed income complaining about others getting the same level ofg service for nothing.

2. We still have the ridiculous scenario where we have Catholic schools right next door to non-Catholic schools and both schools offer advanced highers in certain subjects rather than combine the two classes. Then we have the cheek to complain about what is going on in Gaza whilst preaching separatism in our own back yard.
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Number 6,

Germany 13/01/2009 15:35:47
Vinny. Unionista handlers. The accusation comes from the fact that you must be getting fed the drivel you post. You came roaring in , frothing at the mouth and accusing me of talking rubbish ref Geography and History being removed from english schools.

I was right and you were yet again, laughably wrong.

You HAVE to be a gibbering wreck who is being spoon fed the drivel you post. No sane person would act in such a way.

No apology I see, but then again , your not even aware of the complete fool you made of yourself with your post at number 33.
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JayJay,

Right here 13/01/2009 16:26:46
How amusing to see the "it wisnae me, it wis him" debate between nationalist and unionist, whilst the real question - where exactly does all the money go - sails right over everyone's head.
We have reached a stage across our entire public sector that, due to massive increases in administration, due to years worth of the spurious introduction of layer after layer of management, there is pretty limited cash available to actually teach, cure or whatever.
There must be armies of characters employed by Local Authororities and Government who do little other than introduce a new curriculum every two years - for no good reason other than for change's sake. That these successive changes seem to do little other than decrease standards of numeracy and literacy seems to be neither here nor there. That so many people can be ejected from the state education system with far from functional abilities in the basics speaks volumes for the "success" of the policy makers. Yet when, pray tell, will this failure be exposed, and the guilty parties thrown out of their non-jobs.
The decline in state education is an utter scandal, and I really do hope that, whomever is in Government, can start doing something about one of our most precious resources. It is a crime that an education system that used to be admired round the world is now the plaything of a cabal of educationalista's who can ban the word "school" on pc grounds.
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Corky,

14/01/2009 11:57:40
What on earth are you on about numpty number six????


What an annoying little wazzock you are - all you do is insult folk and write guff!!!!!!!!!


The only one here making a fool of themselves is YOU!!!!!!!!!!


I've read all your posts vs Vincent-W and while he is making intelligent informed points all you do is write trash!!!!!!!!!


Have you got some kind of fixation with trying to be the biggest pr@t about???????

 

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