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Parents 'must take blame for unruly children'



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Published Date: 17 May 2008
PARENTS must stop blaming teachers for the ills of society and take responsibility for the behaviour of their children, a senior educationalist has said.
Anne Ballinger, president of the Scottish Secondary Teachers' Association (SSTA), warned that parents were increasingly unwilling to accept culpability for the poor behaviour of youngsters.

Speaking at the SSTA annual congress yesterday, she said
: "An increasing amount of time is taken up in schools dealing with pupils who assert their rights, and their parents who demand action against teachers depriving their little angel of his rights.

"At the same time, some local authorities are giving in to the 'I have rights' argument and instructing schools not to confront the problem but to appease complaining pupils."

She defended the right of parents to complain but said there was a growing number who consistently complain monthly about the same teachers.

She said: "The child ends up moving from school to school consistently complaining about each one.

"And when the investigation into a complaint finds no evidence, they complain to higher up in the local authority until the same alleged issue is investigated several times.

"It is very stressful for the teachers involved."

She called on councils to give teachers more backing and for some kind of penalty for parents who make consistent malicious complaints.

She said: "Teachers do not have sole responsibility for the education of young people about either rights or responsibilities.

"Prime responsibility lies with parents and with wider society. Parents have a duty to provide their children with a moral code, of which this is only one small part, and society has a responsibility to provide examples of good behaviour."

Sue Palmer, an expert in child development and author of the book Toxic Childhood, said teachers were not as respected as they once were.

And she said consumer culture had taught both parents and children they had rights, but had not reinforced the accompanying responsibilities.

She said: "All the research shows that parents have to set firm boundaries. If they don't do that, it is very difficult for schools because teachers then have to build boundaries and deal with the rights of each child."

David Eaglesham, general secretary of the SSTA confirmed it was a growing problem. He said: "If children are allowed to go through life constantly blaming others then it will all come crashing down eventually."





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  • Last Updated: 16 May 2008 10:49 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 17/05/2008 01:22:29

"PARENTS must stop blaming teachers for the ills of society and take responsibility for the behaviour of their children"

About Time To!!! and 'Absolutely Correct'!
2

Tom in Belmont,

Belmont 17/05/2008 02:20:59
Sadly, this was all said a half-century ago, before the kiddie rights mob was taken seriously enough to be a problem. Then it was screwball psychologists, but now its foolish or incompetent parents sustaining this utter nonsense that children and teens have some "rights" they can exercise against adults trying to give them a decent education and keep them from joining the thug-drug-and-slug culture.
There are ways to protect against real abuses without letting Junior run the show.
3

celtic4,

USA 17/05/2008 02:29:28
Here,in the states, parents of underage children who break the law, are often held responsible for the child's lawlessness. This is only right, since it is felt the parents could get the child some help and do not do so. Anger management is one choice parents have as well as counciling, and behavioral counciling. It is a solidly good idea.
4

Scullion,

Canada 17/05/2008 03:13:02
#3 In common law, in place in most of the world where Britain dominated (Scotland, Quebec and Louisiana being notable exceptions), a parent was not responsible for the acts of his/her children unless they promoted it or it was in an employ of the parent. In Ontario we had to enact a Parental Responsibility Act in order to override this common law idea.
I can remember my own stern Glaswegian mother snorting in indignation when the U.N. declared the Year of the Child and the rights they should have. She maintains that the only rights a child has are the ones she gives it. Of course, her Prussian discipline meant that we flew straight or were thumped and told, "Mibbe this'll noak the daftness oot ye!"
5

W Smith,

Middle East 17/05/2008 04:04:10
When I got the belt at school and I didn't dare tell my folks.

If I had I would have got another leathering!

Their philosophy was "if you got the belt its 'cos you deserved it so keep your gob shut in class".

End of story.

I'm sick to the teeth of this culture that promotes 'rights'.

"If children are allowed to go through life constantly blaming others then it will all come crashing down eventually"

Correct - but many of these Scottish kids grow up to be Labour supporters and SNP supporters who blame the 'rich'/Maggie Thatcher/the Tories/America/the jews/the English/the Butchers Apron, etc and every one else for their failure and frustration!

The left-wing school teachers can't have it both ways.

You vote for a party that blames muslim terrorism on "poverty" then you want to complain about kids not taking responsibiity for their actions.

What about the adult thugs in Glasgow and the adult Palestinian terrorists taking responsiblity for their actions??!!
6

gaffer,

Kamloops 17/05/2008 05:53:23
I think it has to go back to the grand parents , of which i am one , our kids were not spoilt as far as i could tell , but for some reason there kids were ?? We belonged to a generation were you spanked your kids bottom for any wrong doing and the got the idea , now did our kids not do it ? i dont know but somewhere along the way it got to be the wrong thing to do , then the teachers couldnt correct bad behaviour in school for the fear of being sued , then the law courts wont give the punishment that is truly deserved. maybe in a couple of generations from now the pendelome will finally swing the other way when parents can take control again and get back to a civilised society , and then that will go the cycle againfor another couple of generations
7

Anne,

Eaglesham 17/05/2008 06:29:33

Having all too vivid memories of my own childhood, my approach to my children was "guilty until proved innocent".

It seems to have worked.

And it is not necessary to "beat" your offspring - the judicious use of the word "no" from the beginning does bring results.
8

whitegold,

Shire 17/05/2008 08:18:37
#7 wrote: "And it is not necessary to "beat" your offspring - the judicious use of the word "no" from the beginning does bring results"

Precisely the type of leftish nonsense that has emphasised rights to the exclusion of anything else. Saying 'no' is the method of today which has failed.
9

albanman,

Edinburgh 17/05/2008 08:38:35
No.8 whitegold. You are quite incorrect in what you say; Anne is not spouting 'leftish nonsense'. It is because parents do not say "No!" to children that problems occur. Anne very properly draws an important distinction between the use of physical force and discipline.

Physical force towards those more vulnerable (i.e. children) is neither ideal nor advisable; regrettably, it may be occasionally necessary. The use of violence sets as bad an example to children as does constant aquiescence to their demands. This is common sense not leftish nonsense.
10

dedoronron,

W Lothian 17/05/2008 10:12:48
Standards of behaviour are determined by parents, family relations and the company kept by children. If parents, in particular, fail to set guidelines and enforce them, then the child will think they can treat any adult in the same manner. If the child then fails to follow school guidelines, the parent MUST support the school in order that other pupils don't suffer the consequences of teachers being diverted from their primary role of TEACHING. For discipline in school, the Headmaster must set processes and protocols to deal with, and not give in to, pupil terrorism.
11

Guga II,

Rockall 17/05/2008 11:50:37
One point that most people fail to mention is that parents should be made financially responsible for the misdemeanors, or, in some cases, thuggery of their children.

Parents can be prosecuted for failing to ensure their children go to school, so what is wrong with prosecuting them for allowing their precious little darlings to rampage on the streets?

If these measures were enforced, I think we would suddenly see an overall improvement in the behaviour of their offspring.
12

Johnnyf,

Scotland 17/05/2008 12:12:51
It's good to see such support from most comentators although I guess from some of the comments, unfortunately, that most do no have children in the school system at present. It's a great pity that local Education Authorities, ultimately driven by government do not see things the same way and blame teachers for "failing schools" although their yardstick is the percentage of children receiving free school lunches is related to how good or bad a school is.
#8 is way of course and supports the theory that anything which deviates from the norm is "leftist", no that is social work, physchotherapist driven.I don't think Stalin or Fidel Castro were easy touches.
I work in an Education authority where neighbours would not allow one of the department's Educational Psychologists children into their houses for fear of damage or abuse. On their wages, I doubt if they have any left inclinations.
13

Suzi B,

17/05/2008 16:19:46
Lots of good points here today. #8. I don't think saying 'no' to your children could possibly be blamed for todays ills. Consistently saying 'no' to their more outrageous behaviours and whims works a whole lot better than giving your kids a belting.
I don't have any answers to the problems of todays youth, but having brought up my own children, I think it is partly being really consistent with them, even when it would be easier to give in, partly remaining loving and having a good sense of humour and forgiveness, and partly good luck that gets your children to successful adulthood. Of all the parts, I think being consistent is the biggest key to success because you have to really think hard about your own attitudes to life and your expectations for your children in order to be consistent, and that encourages you to parent consciously. When you are doing that you are less likely to be taken by surprise by what is going on in your kids lives....I guess it is like always being two steps ahead of the game.
If you think about your own childhood, the people you respected most and probably still do, were the ones who seemed to have eyes in the back of their heads, nipped any trouble in the bud, weren't afraid to say 'no' and were still able to have a sense of humour about things. It seems like the kids with the biggest problems today come from chaotic backgrounds where they don't know if they are coming or going, who is looking out for them, and they aren't sure whether something is right or wrong because they are getting conflicting messages from the people around them.
14

yolanda,

17/05/2008 16:25:41


Having been in my local shopping centre this morning, I am in no doubt as to the root cause of unruly children. The behaviour, language, and total disrespect shown by some of the parents made me wonder if that's the way they are in public, what on earth are these children's home lives like?

Nobody is completely to blame for the problems, but everyone should take some of the responsibilty I think. It often starts at home, but the social experiment of successive governments, whereby school is primarily a social work centre, has not helped.

15

Beth Boyle,

NY 17/05/2008 17:25:02
This is why I am no longer a teacher. I refuse to put up with the spoiled monsters.
16

whitegold,

Shire 17/05/2008 18:26:07
#9 Your post is nonsense - not common sense. Children need to know there are boundaries they cannot cross without consequent discipline. That is common sense. Merely saying 'No' isn't sufficient for many.
17

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 17/05/2008 18:56:54
Kids these days have no respect for the elderly - they are a disgrace - and this only started to happen when laws came in scrapping the traditional thrashing. A good thrashing kept you in line and made sure you respected others. It never did me any harm. Since we can no longer thrash the little monsters, lets see the parents suffer. These are the parents who throw out their offspring for a bit of peace and quiet - but what they are doing is inflicting their kids obnoxious behaviour on the law abiding citizen. I am regularly abused by these little monsters - and the lazy police ain't interested. Roll on a decent Scottish government that will bring in legislation allowing the ordinary folk to severely thrash the kids - it's the only way to restore any order in this country.
18

Scottish not British,

17/05/2008 19:18:50
Perhaps if parents took the time to bring up their own kids and instill some morals in them, rather than sending them to nursery at extremely young ages or leaving them in schools all day or leaving them to fend for themselves, their kids wouldn't become such problems for others. Hitting kids as a first port of call is pointless after a while as it has less impact. Taking the time to ensure that they learn their lesson by taking responsibility and making amends is better. Smacking should be a last resort and beating a child is a sure sign that the parent hasn't clue what they're doing or worse they're just abusive and it goes beyond discipline and descends it to cruelty and sends the message that beating up people who disagree with you is the answer
19

Western Gael,

17/05/2008 20:57:41
Many of the above comments focus on the lack of accountability by misbehaving children for their churlish acts of petty crime and violence. Fewer stress failure of parents to discipline their misbehaving children. Lost in the discourse is the problem of children having children. It is terribly common for children of 15 years to be mothers, women of 30 years to be grandmothers, and those of 45 years already to be great-grandmothers. Child rearing is successful only when it is a skill passed from generation to generation, not learned from a council pamphlet.
20

sonofhamish,

edinburgh 17/05/2008 21:01:13
Its simple, bring back the cane.
21

sonofhamish,

edinburgh 17/05/2008 21:02:51
Oh yes and when under 18, FINE the parents for the actions of their children. They have to accept responsibility, after all they spend more time at home than they do at school.


 

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