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Published Date: 09 January 2009
THEY have spent months transforming a neglected eyesore into a much-loved outdoor haven, producing their very own crop of fruit and vegetables.
But the owner of a city nursery has accused the city council of "evicting" the green-fingered youngsters from their allotment – after claiming it had not been kept up to scratch.

Children up to the age of five visited the Warriston plot twice a we
ek, using their own tools, planting seeds to grow the vegetables, and trimming back overgrown plants. They have grown potatoes, rhubarb, leek, blackberries and rocket as well as taking part in several projects, including making bird feeders for the site.

Nursery owner and allotment leaseholder Carol-Anne McLeod said she had envisaged it as a fun and educational project for the children at her Summerside Kindergarten in Leith and was delighted to have been allocated a plot last March after being on the waiting list for eight years.

But she was stunned to receive a letter on Hogmanay telling her the plot would now be re-let because she had failed to bring it up to an acceptable standard.

Mrs McLeod, 43, said it took them months to get the allotment into shape after being handed it in "a very poor state of repair" with a group of parents spending two weekends to clear all the rubbish.

The "eviction" notice arrived following two warning letters from allotment officer Ian Woolard that the plot was still not good enough.

She said: "When we got it, the other allotment holders said we shouldn't have accepted it in the condition it was in because it was in such a poor state. One said it hadn't been cultivated for about three years.

"When I got the second letter, I disagreed with what he was saying and phoned him to say we were maintaining the plot.

"In fact, it actually looked quite good compared to some of the others up there.

"Given the state it was in when we got it, I feel this is double standards and I just feel that it's such a Draconian way that they dealt with it."

Mrs McLeod, who lives on Summerside Street, added: "I just want them to give us some more time considering it took so much time and effort to bring it into a serviceable condition.

"This has been a real community project and both the children and the parents have really enjoyed it."

A spokesman for the city council said it was evicting Mrs McLeod, as an individual leaseholder, and not the nursery children.

He said: "An occasional visit isn't enough to maintain an allotment – they need to be cultivated and this one hadn't been worked on substantially by the leaseholder since the summer.

"There is a seven-year waiting list for plots in Edinburgh and the city has a responsibility to make best use of space."

Jenny Mollison, secretary of the Scottish Allotment Garden Society, said she sympathised with Mrs McLeod but had "every faith" in the city council's procedures.

She said: "Plots are marked against criteria which include things like tidiness and how much is being cultivated. It has to be done like that because there are a lot of people waiting to get a plot. We have to be fair to all plot-holders in Edinburgh."





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  • Last Updated: 09 January 2009 10:55 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Fifi la Bonbon,

09/01/2009 12:27:36
It's a £33 a day private nursery run for profit in a relatively well-heeled area. Presumably only those children whose parents pay Mrs McLeod fees to attend get to play, and local kids whose parents don't pay are barred. Allotments aren't there to make businesses like hers more profitable. If she wants to establish a garden for the inmates of her nursery, she should buy some more land herself.
2

Calum Crubag,

09/01/2009 12:42:43
#1 - aye, I think the Hootsmon is only too happy to help Mrs Macleod with her whinging. What next...?

EVIL COUNCIL CALLS FOR CHILDREN TO BE EXTERMINATED
by Jakie Journo
3

jdships,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 13:45:03
1 Fifi la Bonbon,

What has a "relatively well heeled area " got to do with it ?
"If I can't have it why should you " comes to mind

Yawn !
4

Arrow,

edinburgh 09/01/2009 14:21:48
#3 correct. its the politics of jealousy or the snarl of the underdog as someone once said. if the lady tried to buy some land and creat such a development the first thing is that the planners would get involved, the jobsworths would be looking for risk assessments,traffice impact assesments, the social workers would be making sure that no people were looking at the kids and there was a cross section of kids from depraved backgrounds, junkies, single mother, unwaged and all of the rest of the detrius that anthing trying to improve matters are subject to. and then the local councillors and the community council would want their cut.
5

Lil Miss,

09/01/2009 14:34:49
#1 £33 a day is pretty cheap for private nursery. I know ones which charge much more than that. The council should be helping the nursery with creating their forest school area than being ridiculous and considering the amount of land that travellers land on quite often maybe instead that could be turned into allotments.
6

Mrs Mac,

09/01/2009 14:44:38
#1 My daughter goes to a private nursery, I'm not well off, but I have no choice in the matter because I have to work, and I cannot get a state nursery place for her until she is three (and even then the provision is not to the level I would need to work even part time) . I get no help at all with the fees and I think that your comments are very uneducated.

So what if the parents are well off (which I bet most of them are not)! This project has been an educational tool for those kids in a time when learning about where food comes from is a government target to cut obesity rates. Perhaps instead of taking the land away from people who were using it for good, they should make more provision for educational programmes for both fee-paying and state nurseries to run these schemes.

Personally I would love it if my daughter had the chance to do this!
7

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 09/01/2009 14:52:27
don't think Ian Woolard has much say really. Allotments appear to be run by committees who are recently retired so called business people who think they can run them like bootcamps!!

Just take a look at lady Road and you will see!! If your face doesn't fit you have no chance!! Not even Ian Woolard has a chance...
8

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09/01/2009 15:01:10
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PG,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 15:06:13
Private nurseries aren't like private schools! School nurseries don't provide for kids under 3 and even most only provide a couple of hours a day. If you have to work, you have to pay for childcare in a private nursery (with tax credit help if you're lucky). It's not an elitest thing so that shouldn't come into the argument. Frankly, I'm all for kids learning where our food comes from and how to grow your own healthy food. The only difference between this nursery in a well heeled area and one in a less affluent area is that these parents care that their kids learn that food doesn't just come from the chippy. More nurseries should be given the opportunity to have projects like this.
10

fair scunnered,

edinburgh 09/01/2009 16:02:21
ach stop moaning ,ye elected all those wooly headed fib dems,as ye sow ,so shall ye reap,but in this case ,naw ye wont
must be a relative of a fib dem wanting the allotmeant
11

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 09/01/2009 16:50:22
#8 = yes Ian Woolard is an extremely nice guy and perhaps that is part of the problem that those so called allotment chairpersons rule the the roost so to speak.

LAdy Road I know is especially bad with the chairperson trying to run it like a multi national company. He is chasing many of the real 'allotmenters' out with the competiveness.

Very sad that real people who are genuinely interested in allotments don't get them while others do just to keep up with the 'jones'!

#10 - go back to school - you shouldn't be allowed in here!!!
12

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 16:51:23
#10 To be fair, Mr Woolard, bloke in charge of allotments, has been in his post for +10 years. He's worked longer under a Labour admin than 'fib dems'.
13

Finbarr Saunders,

09/01/2009 17:21:31
They knew that they had to maintain the allotment to a certain standard and they didn't. Tough.

If they can't look after an allotment, I certainly wouldn't trust them to look after a bairn!
14

radge dug,

09/01/2009 17:44:08
Another negative non-story. Im sure the nursery can find another bit of ground or use tubs if it's that important.
15

fair scunnered,

edinburgh 09/01/2009 18:16:34
#12 ok point taken
#11 in the words of grounds keeper willie "away ye horses @rse"
back to school is it?,look at the allotmeants in fetes,most of them are run by people who have the very large houses near by,with big gardens front and back
just because they some to$$er on english broadcasting company,change their back garden into some decked,spanish daego back yard,why should they get extra land?
when lie-bour run the council,most of the gardeners where retired council workers or retired miners
you didnt have a snowballs chance in hell ,getting one
want to see how all the councilors in edinburgh behave,go to edinburgh sucks dot com
but we will all be digging up parks etc to grow food]once the ec take all our gas and oil
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/79059/EU-will-grab-Britain-s-gas
so all who voted lie-bour hope your happy with broon,he who admires maggie thatcher,after all she did to scotland,and all those fife miners who lost jobs,and the strike which set family against family,25 years later sons still dont talk to fathers,brothers hating brothers,all for scargills ego,and thatchers greed
one lie-bour council gave £25000 to a libary to stock large print lesbian novels for the short sighted

16

Smackhead,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 19:18:25
#1 I am with you here.If she lives in summerside street then the vast majority of these houses have huge gardens attached. Let her take the kids there instead for recreation. There are large waiting lists for more worthy individuals such as those with no gardens or outside space. Start clearing these chancers out now. Good to see she is the first of what should be many.
17

Drat,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 19:20:54
More power to their arm. There are still lots of allotments not being cultivated properly.
I had an allotment a number of years ago and gave it up as I couldn't give it the proper amount of time. Now I've got the time I can't get one.
18

Douglas,

Bathgate 09/01/2009 21:43:04
"There is a seven-year waiting list for plots in Edinburgh and the city has a responsibility to make best use of space."

If the kids are struggling with a small allotment is it reasonable to expect them to operate in alien, weightless environment?
19

Speedy Gonzales,

Edinburgh 09/01/2009 23:03:27
Have dealt with Ian Woolard in the past, nice guy but rather useless in his job. I applied for an allotment 5+ years ago. Chased the application up last autumn only to be told my application has been lost/misplaced. I was sent new forms and told to apply again, obvioulsy going to the back of the queue again!
It's a shame really as I have both time and 'will' to use a plot of land. Looks I'll just become an urban guerilla gardener, plant my beans in an unsuspecting window box somewhere!
20

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 09/01/2009 23:20:46
buy.window.boxes.who.would.wait.that.time.
21

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

10/01/2009 01:09:43
Get a grip the growlers...allotments...committees...wee dafties that cannae find thir erchie wae baith hauns...little Hitlers and would be Stalins..."Waitin lists??" are you for real??...hauf the time these waitin lists are non-existant an anybody that pushes their luck..or has a pal wae an existing allotment can get in there..."Waitin list" they need a bliddy "Waiting List" tae git oan the féckin "Waitin List"...

Sounds to me like these particular jumped up Hitlers should haud their wheecht and take a guid look around said allotment...not been worked on since the summer?...it was already a shoitehole..after the summer comes the autumn and then the winter..ie féck all to do...

This woman was not given a chance.

These children were not given an opportunity.

Shame on you.

Which pal do you want the allotment for?
22

Mike The bike,

Edin 10/01/2009 10:52:43
22
You speaking in English man? Your not only talking in tongues but are way off tack. This woman is already well off and does not need an allotment. Try to grasp the facts..
23

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 10/01/2009 11:08:32
~18 - yes indeed Ian Woolard is a very nice guy and good at his job if he were allowed to do it properly.

It's the chairperson's of the so called allotments who want the control of the allotments and say so of who gets in and who is chucked out! They are the problem not the allotments!

Just take a longgggggg look at Lady Road. Power hungry for control.

24

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

10/01/2009 18:49:08
23...Away with you...patronising plebian...this is about the kids having access to a gardening experience...do read the story again laddie....some of them may well live in flats you know..try to get back on track..or at least your bike and peddle off now there's a good boy...

..and its woman to you!
25

smallbutperfectlyformed,

10/01/2009 21:48:41
She didn't look after it adequately therefore after receiving several warnings and not responding adequately (ie not improving the plot) she was evicted. Her only course of appeal is to have three adjoining plotholders support her. It may be that her neighbours who she accuses of having even worse plots have also been evicted.
Running to the EEN is not a valid means of appeal, more childish really if you excuse the pun.
If this was meant to be a nursery project then why didn't she get more help from the parents? It takes upwards of 10 hours a week to look after a plot in the summer. If a plotholder can't give that sort of commitment then there are 1,400 on the waiting list who would be eager to take their place.
Regarding the other comments: the council allotment officer has a very difficult task trying to uphold the plots' standards and cope with the pressure from a huge waiting list. The state of a plot when taken over is neither here nor there, no one ever gets given a well maintained plot! The Council alone have the power to take on new plotholders and evict those who don't maintain their plots. Not the committees! (Excepting a very few who are "self managed" and they appear to have their own problems see the comments in the garden share thread in Monday 5th January's News)
26

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11/01/2009 10:37:55
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11/01/2009 22:43:57
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 10:40:31
27...Ouch Mikey baby...that one too hard for you to leave uncensored......you absolute coward of a man.
29

pofi,

12/01/2009 12:19:20
Horrible, it wasn't Mike The Bike, it was me who reported your comment at 28 for offensive language.
You are an embarrassment to the rest of the female sex.

IF you have something valid to say it, then say it.
Otherwise, cease your obnoxious whittering.
30

pofi,

12/01/2009 12:38:53
Getting back ON topic, personally I feel that there aren't ENOUGH evictions.
Most sites have at least a few disgraceful plots. With such a long waiting list it is ridiculous.
Obviously most lazy and absent plotholders resist eviction, just like the subject of this item! More power to the Council to evict.
31

Mike The bike,

Edin 12/01/2009 16:05:23
#30 Well said and well done!! The only issue I have was I missed this idiots reply. Well I think I can survive the experience given this fools earlier efforts here! Your comment at 31 is spot on as well.
#29
I would see about some therapy as your deluded, idiotic and barely able to write in English. Not a way to exist in life I say...let alone live a life at all. Sleep well fool ;)
32

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

12/01/2009 20:12:19
Mikey sweetheart...you wouldnt happen to be trolling now would you and making up names to support you in your whingeing tirades?...heh heh heh...naughty naughty naughty...a tired old formula here on the forum..

Pathetic man...on your bike!
33

Mike The bike,

Edin 12/01/2009 21:30:37
33 All wrong dopey. Bet you do though. I wanted to read your deleted trash for a laugh so I would hardly be reporting it.
Looks like thats a formula that you use though as you just gave yourself away there sonny! Yeah, if your a woman I am the Flying Dutchman lol!!
Now run along and wite some more Greek for a laugh I need one you to$$er!
34

pofi,

13/01/2009 00:10:32
Do you mind Horrible? I have no connection to Mike The Bike. Any one of countless posters could have reported your comment at 28 as being offensive. I just happened to beat them to it!

This is a serious debate about a serious problem which causes a lot of annoyance on a majority of allotment sites. Unsightly plots spreading weeds, plotholders who aren't seen (or whose "efforts" are not apparent) from one season to the next. Why do they bother?!
The only time you hear from them are when they whine about getting an improvement letter.

Use it or lose it.

(Re your comment at 22, I think the 1,400 on the waiting list for an allotment in Edinburgh might disagree with your assertion that they don't exist!)


 

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