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Published Date: 16 October 2009
EDUCATION secretary Fiona Hyslop yesterday admitted a lack of progress had been made in the Scottish Government's pledge of reducing class sizes.
Addressing the SNP conference in Inverness, Ms Hyslop blamed the recession for hampering efforts to cut class sizes to 18 for the first three primary years.

Last month the SNP was accused of a U-turn after announcing plans for a legal limit of 25
pupils in primary one classes.

Yesterday Ms Hyslop told the conference that Labour had left a legacy of "some of the largest class sizes in Europe."

She went on: "It was always going to be hard to turn that around. We all expected and believed that faster progress would be possible.

"None of us saw the recession, and its impact on council finances and teacher numbers coming."

She said average primary class sizes and the pupil-teacher ratio were at record lows, and there had been other improvements.

"And now we are taking the next step", she said. "From next year, we will legally ban the biggest class sizes over 25 in P1.

"That's your SNP government getting on with the job of tackling class sizes."

Labour's Rhona Brankin said last night: "Fiona Hyslop has finally admitted that the SNP has given up on its pledge to reduce class sizes to 18 for the first three years of primary school.

"She should now apologise to pupils, parents and their families.

"She has also broken her promise to abolish student debt, record numbers of newly qualified teachers are unemployed and not a single new school will be built in the lifetime of this government.

"The truth is that Fiona Hyslop is the worst education secretary since devolution and the SNP government has never made a serious effort to keep its promises.

"She should feel personally ashamed of her appalling record."



Ms Hyslop also announced this year's intake of university students is to be increased by 3,000 under a £9 million Scottish Government boost.

Ms Hyslop told the conference: "That's a 10 per cent increase in student numbers this year, financially supported by your SNP government."

She said the extra cash would be focused on science, technology, engineering and maths but would not be restricted to those subjects.

She told the conference it was "good news for students and good news for the economy".

The rise will take effect this academic year, which has already started.

Aides said later that the expansion process was already under way – and courses at some universities did not start until November or December.

The money announced by Ms Hyslop is to be shared between spending on student support, in the form of loans or grants, and payments for their university fees.

Critics warned the money was not enough to pay for the additional places universities have already awarded to satisfy this year's huge surge in demand from applicants.

National Union of Students Scotland president Liam Burns warned it would not cover the full cost of teaching all 3,000 students.

He said: "I have serious concerns about the ability of universities to deliver a high quality learning experience on a bargain basement budget.

"Having more students enter higher education is one of the few positives of the recession."

The number of Scots entering Scottish universities rose by 11.7 per cent this year, with the number of mature students rising by even more, according the university admissions body Ucas.

Many universities over- recruit in the expectation that, in a normal year, many applicants will not take up their place – choosing to work, travel or take up a place at a different university instead.

Tony Axon, of the UCU lecturers union said the move by Ms Hyslop would be welcome if it would prevent universities being fined for attempted to satisfy the huge surge in demand for a university place this year.

He said: "We would welcome the increase in numbers as long as they are fully funded.

"We were concerned there were a lot more people going to university this year and that some universities will have been over recruiting and face a possible fine."





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  • Last Updated: 16 October 2009 10:42 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Teaching
 
1

Group Captain Lionel Mandrake,

15/10/2009 22:34:41
Oh good.

Can we now expect Salmond and Swinney to admit that they always knew SFT and LIT were unworkable and illegal, but chose to lie in their manifesto anyway?
2

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15/10/2009 22:48:10
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peter1958,

Glasgow 16/10/2009 00:06:46
Don't forget dumping student debt either! Not a chance.

The mighty jihad against bridge tolls may have been the very pinnacle of the SNPs achievements during their miserable tenure. Think on that.

The nats could have at least kept their promise to make St Andrew's day a public holiday.
4

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16/10/2009 00:15:08
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16/10/2009 00:18:47
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JaF,

16/10/2009 00:27:19
#4/#5:CFTBL:Correct-CFTB Lagoon is no Goon !!!
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16/10/2009 00:46:19
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/10/2009 00:51:13

A difficut Job to get it right first time round, I am sure that class sizes will be rectified to under 25 by the SNP, just give them time!, and that does not mean the,...'3 o'clock Bell'

9

hoblar,

16/10/2009 01:22:14
Wow!

What a lot of anti SNP headlines, and all thanks to helping labour win the safe seat of Glasgow East.....pity that the cloud cuckooland one man and his dog unionist simpletons can't actually understand that they won't encourage one waverer to vote Labour because labour are a dire political party in their death throes rather than their 'new' labour heyday under Blair.

Goodbye Labour.

As for class sizes, reducing them is the priority to a degree, but labour had a really bad schools policy in Scotland in general and for eight years (in the Holyrood Parliament in their rather kak and lacklustre lackie to westminster Liberal coalition) did far less than the SNP Scottish Government have achieved in two years on any level of policy.

The priority of the unionists is always maintenance of the union and their westminster bosses wishes, we all know that.

Vote SNP in Glasgow East and let Labour know the truth of their failure in Scotland, and, more important, punish them into becoming a party that will wish to put the scottish interest and that of their Scottish constituents first over party political and constitutional loyalties.
10

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 16/10/2009 02:25:50


I seek not to know all the answers…….but to understand the questions.

11

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 16/10/2009 03:05:06
Why does the sun shine?

Because it's a twitched on transistored electrical device. This astonishing discovery came from the nordic plasma physics pioneers, Birkeland and Alfvén who perhaps are related to Linskaills or went to skail with them.

"The Electric Universe model is simple enough that it can be taught to young children, but it first requires that cosmology is actually included in the science curriculum and then treated with a reasonable level of importance. For the more mature student, the science curriculum should include studying the behaviour of electricity in gases. Everyone is familiar with lightning. Most have seen fluorescent and neon lights. And the writhing “life-like” filaments in the novelty ‘plasma ball’ are a favorite with kids. But familiarity with lightning and neon lights does not equate with understanding. Lightning and the plasma behavior inside those glass tubes and balls are a mystery to almost everyone. Yet the environment inside those objects most closely equates to that of the rest of the Universe."
12

DeanConinPeteFSteed,

Education Purgatory 16/10/2009 04:21:44
A previous headline of “SNP to 'abandon' key pledge on class sizes” somewhat made this story inevitable. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the departure of this bumbling Education Minister Hyslop. You have to hold your hands up and wonder what will.
13

DeanConinPeteFSteed,

16/10/2009 05:01:35
Charles Linskaill,
#10
I liked Kung Fu too, your use of the “I seek not to know all the answers…….but to understand the questions” from Caine’s dialog in the 1972 film Kung Fu brought many memories flooding back. I still hear Master Po saying to the young Caine, “When you can take the pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave”.
14

Baggy Troosers,

16/10/2009 05:15:18
#1,2,3,4,5.

I see the Bairns are out in force tonight.

#5
Creature etc etc etc etc .

You should'nt need an extra days Holiday, nor should you be paying Taxes because you seem to be on a permanent Holiday and do no work(or at least worth while work).

You appear to be one of the Labour party's type of person ,the type who relies on the state ie "dependency culture" to survive, while the sane in society go to work

You sit banging away on a keyboard every night typing piffle then eventually retire giggling to your wee kennel knowing that your nights work is done.

As i said before there is a deeply childish underbelly within Unionism and you and a few other posters on here here are perfect examples.
15

DeanConinPeteFSteed,

16/10/2009 05:37:38
Yok Finney,
#11
It sounds plausible until you think of stars going supernova.
16

Steven P,

edinburgh 16/10/2009 07:04:42
All of little comfort to those children currently in 30 pupil P1-P3 classes. The difference between 18 and 30 (or even 25) is huge.
Meanwhile, complete indifference shown to Scottish Enterprise distributing £44m of public money to failed executives.
Failure to reduce school class sizes I can accept, rewarding failed government cronies in preference is unforgiveable.
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 16/10/2009 07:07:09
Well thirty pupils does sound a lot, but I have heard of teachers who could cope with that number and produce marvellous results. Just have to remove the five or six heid bangers who seem to continually come out of the woodwork.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 16/10/2009 07:16:07
Erm lowest average primary class sizes and pupil/teacher ratio on record = worst Education Secretary ever since devolution in Rhona Brankin's eyes.

Well, Rhona didn't learn much when she went to school did she. What a numpty.
19

Grahamski,

Falkirk 16/10/2009 07:30:04
18
Morning Observer,
Remind us - what did the SNP promise on class sizes of p 1-3 if the people entrusted them with their vote? Have the SNP delivered on their promise on class sizes of under 18 fro p 1 -3 ?
20

JoeMiddleton,

Edinburgh 16/10/2009 07:54:05
"Hyslop admits government has failed on class sizes"

Yet, what she actually says is that they would have liked to move faster to reduce class sizes but the SNP have already made progress!

Afterwards we have the usual dross about broken pledges from the unionists who did nothing to reduce class sizes while in office!

The Scotsman needs to do better or else it is going to go down the financial tubes. Please report the news, not invent fantasy about broken promises.

On police numbers, on class sizes, on student debt the SNP are making huge improvements yet in all these areas all your paper does is parrot the Labour opposition even when they failed to do anything themselves, while in power! This is not journalism and whoever wrote this article should be utterly ashamed.
21

Observer,,

Glasgow 16/10/2009 08:05:06
19 Good Morning Grahamski.

No they haven't delivered on their manifesto commitment as Ms Hyslop makes perfectly clear.

That is not exactly uncommon with Governments, the Labour Party have had 12 years and have notably failed to deliver everything they promised.

We also have the tiny matter of the biggest global recession since 1929 to take into account.

Mind you that would entail taking a grown up view of politics which you are unlikely to encounter on here.

Anyway off to work, adios for now amigo.
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John H,

edinburgh 16/10/2009 08:07:56
Just another broken manifesto pledge.
The bold Alex will be remembered for a lie and a pie a day.
Fraudster.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 16/10/2009 08:17:04
21

Observer,

Have a good day....

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Ben Thehoose,

16/10/2009 08:22:09
Lies apart, class sizes don't matter much as compared to many more important factors such as good teaching, good homes and good discipline.

As Scotland is now bottom in the UK educational league may we assume that all three are lacking under SNP's watch?
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jdships,

Edinburgh 16/10/2009 08:43:05
9 hoblar

Oh dear !
If you honestly believe in the infallibility of politicians and SNP in particular it's you that is a simpleton living in cloud cuckoo land .
"Wasnae me . It was the big boy and he ran away " I am no Labour supporter but SNP needs to change the record and stop blaming everyone else and get on with the job.
I did not vote SNP but was quite happy to accept the democratic result and give them the term to prove they could do a job .
As it stands the arrogance of the "Fat Controller" and people like you put me off voting SNP .
It is as it stands, just another pseudo Labour administration
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ColinChoseTomForte,

16/10/2009 09:11:49
The nearly culture is upon us. It is acceptable never to come first as long as you nearly did. Any achievement is acceptable as long as you nearly made it. The standard here has been made clear; from now on the name of Hyslop will be synonymous with not making it, but that’s fine, to do a Hyslop is to nearly achieve success, and in the nearly culture this is nearly the highest accolade, which by default is the highest accolade.
27

Corky,

16/10/2009 09:13:05
It always was a populist policy with little or no foundation in terms of it's effectiveness.

It's all in line with the misplaced idea that throwing money at a problem will sort it instead of applying intelligent thinking with a motivation.
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walter,

16/10/2009 09:13:40
Being the parent of 3 with 16 years between my second and youngest both these manifesto promises looked good to me,
1. We will reduce class sizes in Primary 1, 2 and 3 to eighteen pupils or less to give children more
time with their teacher at this vital stage of their development

2. An SNP government will abolish the Graduate Endowment tuition fee and replace the expensive
and discredited Student Loans system with means-tested student grants. We will remove the burden of debt repayments owed by Scottish domiciled and resident graduates.

Pity they were both lies but then I did not believe them in the first place unlike so many others.
Still at least my youngest is being educated in a new school that was completed 4 years ago.
29

The Strategist,

16/10/2009 09:19:12
#28

No Walter they weren't lies but they became difficult to bring in once the consequences of Labour's appallingly bad economic management became apparent. Compared to the amount of our oil revenues Labour squanders the cost of bringing in smaller class sizes etc is peanuts.
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Ben Thehoose,

16/10/2009 09:32:09
#29 Strategist.

"It's no mah fault. It wisnae me. It wiz a big boy."

SNP are good at one thing: blaming others for their own failings.

The Fat Controller should be retired.
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Joe90,

16/10/2009 09:35:27
Headline - "Hyslop admits government has failed on class sizes"

First para - "Fiona Hyslop yesterday admitted a lack of progress had been made in the Scottish Government's pledge of reducing class sizes"

A substantial difference! All the eedjits who are too lazy or too stupid to read beyond the headline immediately pounce on the word 'failed' and go in to their anti SNP routine. Perhaps if the opposition and labour controlled councils had supported the elected government things would have been different and further reductions in class sizes would have been attained.

Having said that, what is really wrong with classes of 30 children. Sixty odd years ago, I was in such a class and during primary school (3 different schools, in fact) I managed to win five first prizes and the vast majority of the kids with me could read, write and count quite well. Today, I believe that the reason for the drop in educational excellence is the almost total lack of discipline in schools and this can be laid at the feet of the successive wishy-washy labour governments. Regardless of size of classes, most children have the potential to learn. It simply requires a bit of discipline, a little encouragement and a good teacher. In all those respects I, and my peers, was lucky.
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Alan B,

16/10/2009 09:38:58
#walter

The scottish government did abolish tution fees (graduate endownment) in scotland (i believe) what they did not do is pay for the back dated debt accrued under the previous regime.

As such if someone went through uni under labour they would owe the tution fees but if someone now went to uni they would no longer pay tution fees.

33

Alan B,

16/10/2009 09:42:34
#Ben Thehoose

So Ben. Brown wrecks the uk economy. The tories and now labour finally admit the sheet mess of the uk finances due to economic incompetence over the past decade and that the argument between the 2 is over the depth of cuts necessary and the lenght of time to sort out the debt mess. And somehow you work that out as the snp blaming someone else. We all know the increases in scotlands budget was record low increases (if not real cuts) since the snp was elected. You can make your own mind up whether that was brown being vindictive to scotland as we voted for a party other than labour or due to the fact he knew he had made a mess of the finances and was having to rein in his mess.
34

Scotland Needs YOU,

Glasgow 16/10/2009 09:47:22
17 drunken proffet,Tassy

Remove the thousands of foreigners who cannot speak, read or write English and allow our teachers to teach our own children. Whilst extra time is being spent on the foreigners, our own kids are sitting learning nothing - they are being deprived of teaching time.
35

BlackDouglas2,

The UK is bankrupt 16/10/2009 09:49:53
What the moron propagandist below forgets is that the Scottish budget comes from London. As the UK is bankrupt they are cutting back on Scottish spend.

The UK can't even afford it's armed services: "Among the world's worst – MoD damned over vital kit for troops" is another headline. Is moron talking about those "failings"?

The sooner we get out of the bankrupt UK the better.

30 Ben Thehoose,16/10/2009 09:32:09
"#29 Strategist.

"It's no mah fault. It wisnae me. It wiz a big boy."

SNP are good at one thing: blaming others for their own failings.

The Fat Controller should be retired."

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walter,

16/10/2009 09:53:28
#29
If they did not lie why are P1-3 children not in class sizes of 18 or less and why have they not abolished student dept.
They said they would and they have not but like every thing else they said they would do and have not it is somebody else's fault.
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BlackDouglas2,

The UK is bankrupt 16/10/2009 09:53:53
Moron 'walter'

"Pity they were both lies but then I did not believe them in the first place unlike so many others."

As a moron you can't distinguish between a lie and a promise that couldn't be kept. One is malice aforethought and the other is either due to over-optimism or a change in the economic environment.

Given that London has destroyed the UK economy and reduced the Scottish budget and spending power in the process as well as that of local government how could manifesto promises be met?

If I take your bus fare from you how would you afford to get to work and right mmoronic propaganda all day?
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Ray1001,

Glasgow 16/10/2009 09:57:08
There has been so many mis-truths about class sizes in Scotland. I have 3 primary aged children and they attend Netherlee School in east Renfrewshire. Over the last 3 years primary childrens classes have been condensed from 4 per year with 24/26 children / class to 3 classes with 34/35 children. Even P1 's this year have 30 children / class.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 16/10/2009 10:05:29
#15

Such fear is misplaced. The evolutionary story of self-immolating thermonuclear stars is wrong. Betelgeuse is merely a young star that has not achieved the kind of electrical equilibrium that comes with a bright main sequence photosphere. And supernovae are galactic “electrical circuit breakers,” not a fanciful stellar implosion followed by explosion. There is, in fact, firm evidence of external triggering of supernovae, which is shown in the non-random periodic behavior of extragalactic supernovae. Plasma physicist Anthony Peratt has noted, “Supernovae in the plasma community are viewed as the release of energy from a galactic-dimensioned filament.” And the aftermath of a supernova is clearly an axial Z-pinch plasma discharge configuration.
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noswod,

Honestas 16/10/2009 10:07:57
Aye weel improve edukation by makin it a 4.5 day week paying the teachers much mair cash and forgetting aboot telling folk they really need tae do this stuff wi their bear-rians otherwise its the trash heep frae them. Result the teaching establishment get richer amd mair mollycoddled the bear-rains are left oot in the cald
41

Navvy,

16/10/2009 10:19:22
it was a silly target, meaningless really

We shold be concentrating on the quality of teachers and teaching
42

Ggordon,

16/10/2009 10:40:41

Get rid of Labour

In this region SNP/LibDem majority

Primaries 1 - 3 Teacher and classroom assistant = 18 pupil per class. Plus programme of new school building.

Ironic without fiscal autonomy, Local Authorities can borrow while Scottish Government cannot.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 16/10/2009 10:43:27
41
Mr Navvy,

"..it was a silly target, meaningless really.."

I absolutely agree.

This manifesto pledge is in line with virtually every other SNP pledge which has a superficial attraction which quickly collapses under any kind of scrutiny.

LIT - Unworkable, illegal, unfair and dropped.

SFT - ditto

It is typical of the kind of gesture politics this publicly-funded protest group indulges in. Long on bombast and bragging short on results....the clock is ticking
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BlackDouglas2,

The UK is bankrupt 16/10/2009 10:52:54
43 Grahamski,Falkirk 16/10/2009 10:43:27

Another moron propagandist. The LIT was an honest aspiration, oh and we've yet to hear about a coherent alternative from the other parties.. The SFT? Well, thanks to Brown and London destrtoying the UK economy there no money for anything and private sector investment is in flight as the pound drowns a bankrupt state.

You just continue to pump out moronic propaganda. Do you never aim higher in life? An intelligent and thoughful post with sober language? Na, just pump sh%te in every post every day of your shill life.
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Grahamski,

Falkirk 16/10/2009 11:03:41
44

Mr Douglas2,

LIT was never an 'honest' aspiration. It was a policy which immediately unravelled when any serious scrutiny was applied. It became apparent that the numbers used by Mr Swinney were deeply flawed and independent experts estimated a funding deficit of up to billion pounds. Indeed almost without exception, every independent body or group who were consulted declared the SNP proposals as unworkable, illegal, unfair or unrealistic.

The SFT as proposed in the SNP manifesto was impossible to deliver under current legislation. The SNP must have known this but promised it anyway. That constitutes as a lie according to your definitions.
46

Soloman,

Stirling 16/10/2009 11:09:03



X Vote New Labour X

Get the un-elected Lord Mandelson


X VOTE SNP X

Get positive Action for Scotland

Independence from Westminster
47

BlackDouglas2,

The UK is bankrupt 16/10/2009 11:19:04
46 Grahamski,Falkirk 16/10/2009 11:03:41

You haven't proved anything about a 'lie' yet you throught that accusation around without real evidence. You can't say that the SNP must have known and so it is a lie without proving that they must have known and also that the SFT will not be made to work. You just make it up as you gop along. You are a moron.
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16/10/2009 11:22:18
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TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 16/10/2009 11:27:00
#25 jdships - only very occasionally do we get such dross posted. If you were in any way intelligent, you'd see though the propaganda and you'd fail to swallow the childish arguments of the unionists. The fact that you can't, yet at the same time you suggest you are in some way neutral, renders your entire post drivel.

#28 Walter, "both were lies". How is it that unionists cannot understand that a minority Government not being allowed to implement a manifesto pledges is not a 'lie'. Jeezus. They are at the mercy of the opposition, who, in this unique case, have decided to scupper the SNP from making as much progress as they'd like in Scotland. The first thing the unionists did was burden the new Government with the Edinburgh tram haemorrhage. Then the global recession kicked in and resources were needed elsewhere. Our budget is also reducing.

But the weans can't see this. Someone touched on this on another thread - there is something fundamentally childish about the unionist attitude and argument. Why is that? When very young kids know they can't win an argument, they are prone to sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes then shouting, "Na na, na na na". That's the unionist argument. It is beyond pathetic.
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Mèths,

16/10/2009 11:59:31
"Hyslop admits government has failed on class sizes"

An honest government. Well done - now fix it!
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Jo Public,

16/10/2009 12:09:21
"Hyslop admits government has failed on class sizes".

"Labour admits government has failed on everything"
52

Jo Public,

16/10/2009 12:15:05
#51 Mc Triangle,Alba

You are right. SLAB are an under-culture.It's cringinly embarrassing listening to them because all they do is attack the SNP for everything - mostly for things that have happened for decades under Labour themselves. A negative bunch bereft of any useful policies or clear vision for the future, full of dimwits like Gray, Brankin, Curran (********** - fill in as appropriate)

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Alan B,

16/10/2009 13:00:55
#Grahamski

That is daft as you know.

LIT was put off by the scottish government as it could not get enough support in paliament. The tory and labour coalition saw to that.

The other problem for lit was the childish behabour of brown saying he would withhold the council tax rebate.

If labour were going to punish scotland by withholding 1/2billion pounds of council tax rebate money then there is no way the scottish government could implement this policy.

But do you no find it funny that labour have been supporting the tory council tax. And did nothing to change the tory council tax. And how you are now a mini me tory supporter.
54

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 16/10/2009 13:37:22
There will be one to one tuition in the Scottish socialist republic.
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billalba,

fife 16/10/2009 14:19:21
there will be no tuition with the britnats in control
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JCA REID,

Annan 16/10/2009 14:23:11
It did seem strange to promise smaller class sizes. This can only be achieved by: building more classrooms & having more teachers. Possibl;y another way is to have social Engineering by allowing only certain people to have children, so you know exactly ,or near as damn it, how many children will be around!
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Darien,

Panama 16/10/2009 15:13:37
"Labour's Rhona Brankin said blah class blah sizes blah blah"

The cash umbilical chord between Westmidden and Holyrood has dried up hen. Yer union dividend disnae exist. Prepare for independence and your political oblivion. Get some backbone and stop stabbing the Scottish nation in the back.
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Armstrong Cowan Again,

Europe 16/10/2009 15:46:28
What is this nonsense about class sizes. School is a part of education - parents and self motivation are just as important not to mention the quality of teachers.
When I joined my primary school - Holmlea in Cathcart Glasgow in 1959 there were 45 kids in my class. When my older daughter went there in 1981 class sizes were around 35. Demographics, deliberate under investment and a huge influx of Catholics into area got class sizes down to around 20 by the late 1990's - Wonderful - no not quite - The school was closed - reason - CLASS SIZES NOT BIG ENOUGH. I see ignorance in Scotland is still our main enemy.
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Warden Resurrected,

The Nationalist Republic of Scotoma 16/10/2009 16:07:33
Scottish and Still Proud
61-Rubbish, we already knew on here on the 23rd September 2009 this was coming. Refreshing honesty doesn’t take this length of time to show its head. Our education standards are still seen as going backwards, and this Scottish Government hasn’t made any progress whatsoever to address it. There has been no steady anything in Scottish Education unless you consider decline.
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Warden Resurrected,

The Scottish National incompetece Party 16/10/2009 16:12:42
Large class sizes didn't stop Scotland in the Enlightenment years or the proceeding one hundred years.
62

Observer,,

Glasgow 16/10/2009 16:19:31
69 A huge influx of Catholics? In Cathcart? In the late C20th? What are you banging on about, I think you are confused.
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Observer,,

16/10/2009 16:20:19
Apols 65 for 62
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16/10/2009 16:33:24
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puskas,

East kilbride 16/10/2009 16:45:56
Many eejit unionists hitting their keyboards ... Nothing to offer in the way of reasonable debate... I did say reasonable debate.
Burning their fingers due to election fever...

The formation of the Scottish Labour Party had an INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND AS THEIR GOAL..

Their hatred for the Scottish Nationional Party whose intentions are to fulfill that goal should be welcomed by all.

Many, many good posts above... excluding the known eejits..
66

puskas,

East kilbride 16/10/2009 19:23:44
Have we a political party conference in progress?.

We have had full coverage of the Liberal Democrats, Labour, and Tories....

Who could it be.?

Surely not the SNP.


Well the little snippets we receive on the news whether tele. radio has much sarcasm by the commentators.
Sadly for them their all out attempt in trying to save this bankrupt union is failing miserably.

Is it not amazing that the SNP our government are winning more voters over everyday..

Well I suppose everytime Mandelson (the real PM) appears in the media, another Labour couple of thousand votes bites the dust.
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puskas,

East kilbride 16/10/2009 19:26:20
The ridiculous anti SNP scoundrels that appear on these comment boards are better ignored and not replied to directly..

Let them vomit in their own bile..
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puskas,

East kilbride 16/10/2009 19:53:34
No65. Observer,

I noticed that comment to. Regards Catholic influx.

Indeed I do not know what he is talking about either..

An area I know as well as anyone. ( Queens Park Higher Grade School pupil 1957-1961)

Holmlea Pri School? Regards this school closure.

Holmlea is a perfect example of a building that should have been saved. A solid red sandstone build that could be modernised at a cheaper cost than a rebuild.. Fantastic building which is central to the area.
Heard a rumour that this magnificent school building may be sold to a hotel group?

Of course ppi ppf and the backhanders would have been extinct. Well nearly

PS Holmlea Pri could have still be in use when the cheap build ppp-ppi had collapsed

 

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