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Pandas head for Scotland in a bid to save the species



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Published Date: 10 May 2008
EDINBURGH Zoo is in advanced negotiations to bring a pair of giant pandas from China to Scotland, The Scotsman can reveal.
Senior officials recently returned from China, where they visited a giant panda conservation centre and signed a letter of intent, signalling an initial commitment to take the iconic creatures in spring 2009, to coincide with the zoo's centenary.
The zoo plans to house a breeding pair of pandas aged two or three, which it hopes will have cubs in Scotland. Edinburgh would join just a handful of zoos outside south-east Asia to have giant pandas, and would be the first in the UK to keep the animals since London Zoo returned its panda to China 14 years ago. A final agreement could be signed by Prime Minister Gordon Brown during the Beijing Olympics in August.

David Windmill, chief executive of the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland, who travelled to China along with Iain Valentine, head of animals and conservation, said: "We have met many of those involved and I believe we stand a strong chance of bringing giant pandas to Edinburgh Zoo in 2009."

Mr Windmill, who met directors of China's panda conservation programme at the Wolong Research Centre in Sichuan Province, said: "They're serious, and so are we. We believe there is a good chance it will happen, but some things are outside our control. Many zoos have tried and failed to obtain these animals."

Giant pandas, which have been described as "probably the biggest crowd-pullers on earth", are sought by zoos worldwide.

Giant pandas are seen as far more than just another species in China – and huge political, diplomatic, cultural and conservation hurdles must be overcome before any deal is finalised.

There are still fewer than 2,000 giant pandas in the world – an estimated 1,800 in the wild and around 200 in captivity – despite recent successes in breeding programmes, and the zoo stresses that conservation work is crucial in securing the deal. In return for the lease of the animals, the RZSS will provide financial aid and scientific expertise to help the Chinese with conservation of the animals in the wild and in captivity.

The project also depends on negotiations at the highest political level. The initial agreement must be approved by the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Ministry of Forestries. Giant pandas are considered "on loan", remaining the property of the Chinese government, which regards them as an extension of its captive breeding programme.

The plan also needs the backing of Holyrood and Westminster. Mr Windmill said: "These aren't animals as far as the Chinese are concerned; they are diplomatic gifts which reflect a good relationship between China and another country. We need the support of the Scottish and UK governments to make this project happen.

"The signing of the letter of intent creates a framework in which the RZSS, the Chinese authorities and the UK and Scottish governments can negotiate a more detailed agreement. That will cover how much money we have to pay, what science we're going to be offering to the conservation of the giant panda, what sort of enclosure we will build – all these issues."

He described the giant panda project as a "significant financial commitment" on the part of the RZSS, the charity which runs Edinburgh Zoo and the Highland Wildlife Park in Inverness-shire, and said a major fundraising campaign would be launched soon. The zoo estimates visitor figures of around 750,000 per year could increase to more than one million if the pandas come to Scotland.

Mr Windmill added: "Having giant pandas would put this organisation on a worldwide platform along with a small number of zoos, universities and research institutions participating in this major conservation programme.

"We will be able to explain the issues around the conservation of giant pandas and other Chinese animals and the research we are doing to a much wider audience because these animals will be very popular.

"This is not just an issue for Edinburgh or even Scotland, people will come from all over the UK to see them."

The giant panda is one of the world's most endangered species, due to the destruction of its habitat and food supply, and hunting for its fur.

China runs an extensive captive breeding programme, boosted by recent advances in artificial insemination methods.

Sex and the single bear at root of issue

BREEDING giant pandas in captivity has been notoriously difficult, but experts believe they are making progress.

With the help of experts from San Diego Zoo in the US, scientists in China have "cracked" the thorny question of artificial insemination.

This year, Sichuan's Wolong Research Centre has 13 cubs, double the figure from last year, and 20 pregnant females.

Even in the wild, panda breeding is something of a mystery. Giant pandas are normally solitary animals, with the female coming into season for only a few days a year. Successful breeding depends on coming into contact with a compatible partner of the right age in that narrow window.

Females usually have three cubs in their lifetime. At birth, the cubs are tiny, weighing about 4oz, and need constant attention from the mother. The pandas' diet of bamboo means the mother's milk lacks nutrition and growth is slow.

Since the 1960s, zoos have been trying to breed pandas in captivity, but the animals have shown little inclination, with some zoos resorting to "panda porn" – showing them film of other pandas mating – to get the animals interested.

The situation is improving, with a cub born in Vienna last year and pandas at Wolong also becoming pregnant naturally.

China's conservation programme aims to build a captive population of around 300, a number seen as necessary for a viable population with genetic diversity. This would act as a reserve in case the wild popu-lation continues to fall.

PANDAS: DID YOU KNOW?

• THE Chinese name for panda, Xiongmao – thought to be a Nepalese word – means "large bear cat".

• Pandas date back two to three million years. Ancient Chinese history and writings abound with mentions of the panda. They were kept by emperors and their hides were highly valued. They carried a mystique and were believed to ward off evil spirits and disasters.

• Giant pandas are the world's most endangered species and found only in China, mostly in the south-west Sichuan province. Some 32 wildlife reserves have been established in China to ensure remaining wild pandas have adequate space to live without human interference.

• Males are larger than females, weighing up to 250lb in the wild. Females rarely reach 220lb.

Scientists don't know why pandas are black and white, but some think that the bold colouring provides camouflage in their shade-dappled snowy and rocky surroundings.

• Giant pandas have large molar teeth and strong jaw muscles for crushing tough bamboo. Although many see them as "cute" animals, giant pandas can be as dangerous as other bears.

• A wild giant panda's diet is almost exclusively bamboo. In zoos, they eat bamboo, sugar cane, rice gruel, a high-fibre biscuit, carrots, apples and sweet potatoes.

• Giant pandas can live up to 30 years in captivity.

• Contrary to popular belief, they do not reproduce particularly slowly and female pandas usually have three cubs.

• Wild pandas appear to show little interest in sex. More than 60 per cent of males in captivity show no sexual desire at all. Babies are tiny, weighing about 4oz at birth.







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  • Last Updated: 09 May 2008 9:40 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Zoo
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 00:25:07

"Pandas head for Scotland in a bid to save the species"

I was one of the fortunate, to experience my "Panda" for a DYW (darling young wife) and 'confirm' we are trying to,..

"Save the Species"

Unfortunately our Boy Wonder cant understand this, and is very jealous of all our,..

'Cuddling and Snuggling' time that us "Pandas" do best!

:D
2

Boy Wonder,

10/05/2008 00:56:45
well there you are ... pandas hope to breed in Edinburgh ... you read it here first in black and white!

Chuckles Linskaill's DYW @ #1 is just like a panda. Short, hairy and enormously huge black-rimmed NHS glasses!

3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 01:10:43

Dinny get smart Boy Wonder!

There was me, telling my DYW coming home from work, how we get more support from you guys and gals, in the Scotsman News, for our,..

"Saving the Species"

She 'muttered' swear words about you, but I said you were a 'good guy at heart' and that even your, 'LOML' had been asking for us!

NOW THIS!

It will be 'Panda Scorn' for you!
4

Mercian,

UK 10/05/2008 01:14:53
"This is not just an issue for Edinburgh or even Scotland, people will come from all over the UK to see them."

I'm on my way; I love all bears (except the gay fat type)!
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 01:21:54
Correction re; #4, *

* how we get more support from you guys and gals, in the Scotsman News,

Should of been,

* how we get more support from you guys and gals, in the Scotsman News, than from our Family!,*

Anyone know if "Pandas" are Family minded,?

This article suggests that the "Male" is not even interested in,..'Fornication'

Mind you, that might change at,..'Edinburgh Zoo'
6

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Waspy100,

10/05/2008 01:54:17
#5
That rules out 50% of the rangers support then.
Still with Scotlands climate they will probably wish to be shipped back to China ASAP
Poor old Pandas what have they done do deserve this?
8

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 02:13:16

Amy @#7,

:-)

It don't matter about the,..'lollipop'!..

The warmth and Love from a,..'Cuddly Babe' does me just fine,!

I was going to use the words,..'Cuddly Bear' but I Don't want you all to get the impression my DYW is 'Fat'!

She is more like a,..'Teddy Bear', grownup Comfort in Bed!
9

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 02:20:26

Anyhow, Gotta go for,...'Noo',..

DYW, will be like a Panda later today and have me on the hunt for "bamboo"!

Albeit the Woman's, "bamboo" and that means,..

'Girlie Shopping'
10

postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 10/05/2008 06:26:27
If any of you are familiar with a certain James Donald from Newbridge, please don't tell him that these pandas are coming to Scotland. He openly hates Communists and says that the only "good Communist is a dead Communist", and chances are that these pandas are Communists, coming straight from China.

Charles Linksaill,
Your DYW sounds like a lovely young lady, congrats.
11

postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 10/05/2008 06:39:16
Sorry Charles Linskaill,
I mispelled your name at post #11, I'll try to be more careful next time.
12

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 10/05/2008 08:18:11
Pandas probably have a better survival chance in Scotland than Bendy & Gordo ;-)
13

Boy Wonder,

10/05/2008 08:36:21
#12. Your concern is misplaced. Charles Linskaill is a senile 94 year-old who "pandas" to his "DYW" in their quest to have a cub.

Maybe we can get HIM put in Edinburgh Zoo ... but I wouldn't want to watch him rutting!
14

Sam_Scotland,

London 10/05/2008 08:39:10
What language is #1 speaking? Seriously did anyone actually understand that post?
15

Unimpressed one,

10/05/2008 09:17:16
"A final agreement could be signed by Prime Minister Gordon Brown during the Beijing Olympics in August."

Brown made his PC intentions known by snubbing the Olympic torch parade. His stance with regard to China over the coming months will make or break a panda transfer. Perhaps the zoo should hire the services of Bliar to smooth the way. That said, if all goes to plan we can no doubt look forward to the protestations of Ross 'moan' Minett on a weekly basis.
16

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 09:20:50

postmark54 @#11/12,

Thankyou for the compliments on my DYW, and don't worry about the spelling, BTW the name is from Orkney but its a long story (name from mothers side).
_____________

BW @#14,

You really ARE Relentless! and less of the 94 please!
________________

Sam_ @#14,

Do you expect anymore from a couple of 'Snuggling Cuddling',..

"Pandas in Love",?? :D :-***
17

Lillig,

10/05/2008 10:20:56
Charles Linksall - Please don't put me off my breakfast. Thinking of wrinkly old men with young women doesn't ring my bell. Can't understand the women either. Too much going on about IT often means problems with IT. My sympathies.

The issue here is the pandas. Real ones. I hope they will come to Scotland and have lots of cubs.
18

Silence of the Yams,

10/05/2008 10:51:51
Cute!!! If true this will be massive for Edinburgh!!!!
19

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 11:09:26
Lillig @#18,

Please dont believe a word of what Boy Wonder says its all in his head!

I am NOT 94!

:-))

(See the trouble you get me in BW,?)
20

postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 10/05/2008 12:30:14
#20 Charles Linskaill,
Not to worry Charles, I for one, think for myself, regardless of what Boy Wonder or any one else has to say, and you seem like a kind and good hearted gentleman, with a keen sense of humour.
Do I detect some jealousy from some of the other posts? Regardless of anybody's age, love is a beautiful thing, and most difficult to come by, so enjoy Charles, it sounds like you deserve it.
21

postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 10/05/2008 13:08:05
#15 Sam_Scotland,
In fact Sam, it was quite easy to understand Charles at #1, he seems to have a keen sense of humour, and knows how to put things in his own way, enjoyable to read to say the least.

Keep it up there Charles, you're looking good.:>)
22

Major General Puffin-Stuff,

10/05/2008 14:51:51
At age 94 "keeping it up" is likely to be as much a problem for Charles Linskaill as it is for pandas in the wild..........maybe the only solution is to check Charles and his DYW into Edinburgh Zoo for an intensive breeding programme, failing which the fallback is artificial insemination!
23

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 10/05/2008 14:54:00
Charles Linskaill

But I thought you ENJOYED "girlie shopping" which enables you to select and buy a few frilly, red, lacey things for yourself to enhance your sexlife with your DYW.

So Boy Wonder would have us believe. Is this true or just a semi-true rumour. Please do inform.
24

Major General Puffin-Stuff,

10/05/2008 15:02:28
Pistol-packing Tim (between the legs) - you must enjoy a fantastic sex life, you sex machine!
25

Morbo,

10/05/2008 15:02:51
Those pandas only need to see Wendy to get in the mood. Mmmm. Bring it on.
26

Morbo,

10/05/2008 15:03:12
Those pandas only need to see Wendy to get in the mood. Mmmm. Bring it on.
27

Major General Puffin-Stuff,

10/05/2008 15:11:02
No, probably what the pandas REALLY need to study is a video of Tim from Ottawa and his wife going at it all guns blazing..........
28

Lillig,

10/05/2008 16:22:26
20 - Charles - I didn't believe the Boy Wonder anyway, perhaps I should have told him not to put me off my breakfast.

Agree with No 22. Keep smiling.
29

postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 10/05/2008 16:48:50
#29 Lillig,
Thanks for clarifying that.
I haven't had the pleasure of ever seen Charles' postings before, but he strikes me as a very interesting gentleman to say the least, and if he is indeed 94 years old, I hope to be as "senile" as him when I reach that age. He seems to be young at heart, and has a quick and humourous wit, something to be admired.

Charles Linskaill,
I hope that you will keep to enlighten us with your humour, and love for life, something that is sadly lacking these days with so many people.
Your DYW loves you very much, I'm sure of that.


Our pandas can learn a thing or two from you. :>)
30

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10/05/2008 16:56:32
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10/05/2008 16:59:33
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Polly Ann,

10/05/2008 17:27:44
31 - 32 Horrible Cankers

Troll
33

Charles Linskaill,

On hunt with DYW for BAMBOO 10/05/2008 17:38:24
This is all very difficult, all the action on here and I cant talk back to well, from this mobile device. DYW is asking me what underware to buy, she is getting mad with me distracted on here. We however wish the pandas do very well in Edinburgh and I will be back later.
34

WL,

livingston 10/05/2008 18:30:11
I don't know what Brown has to do with this; does he know how to breed pandas?
35

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 10/05/2008 19:14:30
#35
Dunno, but Broon seems to have two black eyes!
36

Boy Wonder,

10/05/2008 21:56:15
#34. Get her panties that like to spelled as "underwear" Chuckles. Or was that your 94 year old senility clicking in?

#29 Lillig. Chuckles is indeed 94 ... and doesn't look a day over 86! His DYW hasn't quite had the will sorted in her and her possible offpring yet, so she's hanging in there.

Chuckles Linskaill and DYW may be seen studying pandas in action at the Zoo in the near future!
37

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

10/05/2008 22:01:29
33...Polly Anne...you filthy piece of shoite...you trolled Charles under that pseudonym you pathetic faecal smear...I'll bet you realised that you made a mistake when you did that and thats why you came back to ingratiate...

At least when you have a go at me it is with good reason...he has done nothing to get on the wrong side of you...but that does not matter eh?...because you are a nasty piece of work...a real saddo, who, when they take a dislike to someone they have a go at them...

Lower than a snakes belly and a real 'Jimmy nae mates'

Is this the sum of your life?
38

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 10/05/2008 22:08:27
"Pandas head for Scotland in a bid to save the species".

Is this Wendy's latest trick? No one, not even pandas can save the SLAB party now. Not even Gordon Brown signing the agreement! What was that about eats, shoots and leaves?
39

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/05/2008 22:58:22

BOY WONDER AT VARIOUS!!!

Just Look at what you started today!

Are you ashamed of yourself now,?

Your 'Relentless Persistence' calling me 94 has a lot to be answered for!

You will be a "Loner" Just like the Panda that unlike me found a Beautiful Wife,..take a neb BW is this you,..
___________

"The Loner" - Giant Pandas in the Wild: Pandas are loners. Although they appear to have been carnivorous at some point in their evolution, they adapted to eating only plants – and only bamboo – but retain a solitary nature unlike other herbivores. They keep a small territory and don’t wander too far. They also don’t have rigid schedules, eating, sleeping and playing whenever and wherever the mood strikes them. The Giant Panda Breeding and Research Base points out, however, that over 50% of a panda’s day is spent eating, over 40% is spent sleeping, so whatever is left over is devoted to play.
40

Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth & Glesca' 11/05/2008 02:04:56
#40-Charles Linskaill

I think what BW was saying about you, Charles, must be pretty close to the truth!

As for the Pandas, you could probably teach them a thing or two about 'How to stay young enough to fool a DYW into believing you are younger than your years!'

I'm sure that DYW and yourself will be taking up residence in Edinburgh Zoo getting pointers on 'How It Is Done' ... of course just to save the Pandas.
Cheers, Charles and DYW
Haggis MacBagpipes™©
41

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/05/2008 02:50:49
Haggis MacBagpipes @#41,

Apart from this topic getting the,,'Short Shift' from the, 'Headline News' in this Paper!

One could say,..'A Man is Only as Old, He Feels'

Hence, I have best of both worlds. :-D

BTW, Lets get the record straight!,..

I AM NOWHERE NEAR THE AGE OF 94!

Anyhow what would that be in "Panda Years",?

Anyone Know!,??
42

postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 11/05/2008 02:57:44
#38 Horrible Cankers,
I'm happy to see that we've finally agreed on one thing, and that is recognizing a good and kind hearted gentleman like Charles Linskaill, who I wish all the best to with his DYW. I could really care as to how old he is, he shows good wit, marvelous sense of humor and anything but senility.

Rock on Charles,
Them pandas ain't got a thing on you. :>)
43

postmark54,

Chongqing, China, 11/05/2008 03:32:22
Hi Charles Linskaill,
According to this article, as well as some others I have read, a panda can live up to 30 years in captivity, so that would be about 3 panda years to every 1 human year. Now I really don't know or care as to how old you are Charles, hopefully this will be a good measuring stick for you as to how to determine your age in panda years.

Best of luck, and fun, to you and your DYW in 'creating' your own little 'panda':>)
44

GavFaeMonty,

Oot o' mi tree 11/05/2008 09:15:25
Is this it? Top story in a week of genuine big-ersed politics? Panda bears.

Good grief.
45

Anglofile,

11/05/2008 09:19:13
Don't be fooled, the Pandas are Chinese spies.
46

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/05/2008 09:27:38
43..Skiddy...GTF you two faced git....you may have the others fooled but I can see right through your devious tactics and you are one mean spirited waste of space..
47

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 11/05/2008 12:08:40
Horrible Cankers

You seem to REALLY have gooten your knickers in a twist today.

Is it a phase of the moon or "that time of month" that is making you SO uncharacteristically cranky, dearest one?
48

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

11/05/2008 13:46:09
Actually no Timothy Charles...a troll took a really snide pop at Charles Linskaill...which I thoroughly object to...the same troll was rather bored cos there was nowt happening on the Chinese/Tibetan issue...then comes back under its usual pseudonym to ingratiate itself with Charles...

...the way I see it is this...said troll realised it leaves a trail...just like other slimey creatures and then shat its wee trolly drawers and thought "Oh feck I should never have trolled someone in the Panda story cos it is going to look awfully like my other troll ID's nasty comments and if the other posters put two and two together then I really will look like a sad wretch!"....

...no new China/Tibet stories...Panda story - have a swatch..bored - take a pop at this guy (Charles) just cos I'm a piece o' shoite - cripes maybe I have put my foot in it now- must return under usual pseudonym and ingratiate myself with some real erse licking to victim of my trolling - deflect the blame ...

Classic troll tactics Timothy Charles and I have good instinct....

I detest bullies, particularly the sad fecker that trolled Charles under the name 'Big Amy'

Hopefully someone will flush it down the bog like the piece of used erse wipe that it is...

I do hope, Timothy Charles, that I did not put you off your cocktails?...
49

Boy Wonder,

11/05/2008 18:02:05
I didn't see the snide pop at Charles at 31 & 32, but whoever it was better damn well stop it!

I've never met him, but he's a good guy if he can take the fun I throw at him ... and at least he knows it's only fun, even in his dotage! So you better leave him alone. He harms no-one.

He knows I wish him nothing but the best in his quest to have a child with the DYW. I just like poking fun at him ... and his advanced years. :D

You go for it, Chuckles. Study the pandas well ... and let's hope you and DYW can increase YOUR herd by at least one very very soon.

Lots of love from the BW and LOML family.


50

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/05/2008 19:27:38

'Ohhhh' ta BW and the rest of you.
re; "snide comments", what can I say? 'sticks and stones' and all that, you always get a few, (shame)

As for BW, Crankers, Tim, We all know its just a bit of a bantering and is healthy, unlike some.

Cheers all, and I enjoyed the "Panda" topic 'rants'.
51

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/05/2008 21:29:49
BTW BW it started at #6, its still out there on the net catcher Google as are all removed comments, 31 32 really were a bit rude but not "snide" towards DYW and I.
52

Boy Wonder,

11/05/2008 22:10:57
Pandas live for around 35 yrs tops, like most bears. So you're around 282 in panda yrs, Chuckles. And loooking mighty good for it.

Be thankful you don't have the 100 yr plus lifespan of a reptile ... you'd be around 1000 now! :D

At least you know you've got till you're 103, according to that fat psychic that wears the jerseys!

 

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