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Tram-trains plan down the line for spur link to airport



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Published Date: 12 July 2008
TRAM-TRAINS would run from the main Edinburgh to Fife railway line to the city's airport under plans being championed by transport chiefs.
A spur from the busy commuter line would allow the hybrid vehicles to go to Edinburgh Airport before connecting with the tram line 1A, currently under construction.

Tram firm TIE is keen for the tram-trains, which are already commonplace in German
y and the Netherlands, to start running on other rail routes around the Capital, including the South Sub and planned Borders line.

The move is designed at trying to build a wider tram network as well as relieving congestion at the city's two main railway stations, Waverley and Haymarket.

Council officials are already conducting a study into running the hybrid trams from Newcraighall to Haymarket, where they would transfer to the tram line out to Edinburgh Park.

A TIE-backed £650 million scheme to build a rail link to Edinburgh Airport was abandoned by the Scottish Government last year in favour of a simpler solution involving a railway station to be built in the Gogar area.

Transport Scotland today said it had no current plans to introduce tram-trains on the railway lines around the Capital, but added it would consider the proposal if they could be proven to be viable.

Willie Gallagher, executive chairman of TIE, said the link to the airport was worth exploring.

He said: "It is an exciting development but one which has been proven to work in Europe.

"What something like this would do, and particularly if you take in other potential connections like the Waverley line or another spur to Dalkeith, is that it would take you away from directing everything to the main train stations.

"The rising price of fuel means more and more people will be looking to public transport alternatives, and a mix of trams and tram-trains opens the possibility of a much wider transport network.

"These are the sorts of conversations we need to start having now if we are to get these things up and running over the next decade."

A recent report by consultants Halcrow concluded that an electric/diesel-powered tram-train service from the east to the west of the Capital would attract up to 1.5 million passengers a year, but require an annual £4.2m public subsidy.

Tram-trains are to be trialled in the UK for the first time in 2010. They will replace standard trains on the Penistone Line between Huddersfield, Barnsley and Sheffield for a two-year trial.

The tram-trains can carry more passengers than conventional trains but there have been some safety concerns about them sharing the same tracks.

A Transport Scotland spokesman said: "We haven't received proposals regarding use of tram-trains on the rail network.

"However, we will always consider anything that meets the aspirations of Scottish ministers for the rail network, namely cutting journey times between our major towns and cities, increasing capacity and making public transport the most attractive travel option for as many passengers as possible."

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1

rs,

in ma house 12/07/2008 12:10:32
so now we're calling Trains Trams!
2

Joe,

Livingston 12/07/2008 13:09:27
Using a spur from the Fife line hardly addresses the needs of passengers from West Scotland.
A true Scotland wide link could be facilitated with
www.eisl.org.uk
3

Gina Gibson,

Wales 12/07/2008 13:19:53
Widen the tram network???
It's only one tramline.
How can that be called a network?
4

Danny Mather,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 13:25:56
This is nonsense from TiE (again). Also, they seem to be unaware of their own plans.

The current plans are for a new rail station on the Fife Line near Gogar. This will also be served by trams (ordinary ones I'm afraid, not tramtrains) that will link to the airport.

#2 Passengers from the west of Scotland will have to wait until 2016 when a link from the E&G line to the Fife line across the north of the airport is due for completion. And your EISL proposals are not the work of anyone with railway and/or planning knowledge.
5

alex paterson,

edinburgh 12/07/2008 13:48:41
Sounds good,anything to make make life easier.
6

internationalist,

edinburgh 12/07/2008 14:09:00
#2 - Try using Prestwick or Glasgow airports if you live in the West of Scotland. Prestwick has a direct rail link and Glasgow will have in the near future.
7

tomias,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 14:54:25
Trams to Fife and up to Aberdeen- good I can go for free then!
8

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12/07/2008 15:18:07
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Joe,

Livingston 12/07/2008 15:32:58
#6..So you are saying that Scotland's busiest Airport should not be accessed directly from the whole of Scotland?
#4.. "And your EISL proposals are not the work of anyone with railway and/or planning knowledge."
The cancellation of the original EARL by an incoming minority adminstration was?
11

Euan,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 15:46:37
Yet MORE smokescreen tactics from the ignoramuses at TIE to try and deflect the growing unrest from local people over their shambolic handling of the construction of Edinburgh's tram LINE.

They are constantly trying to hoodwink people with diversion tactics by saying 'oh, we'll be doing this and that in the future' when in fact they haven't even got a grip on the main project they should be focussing on - trying to finish the unwanted and unneeded tram line which is slowly blundering and pillaging it's way through central Edinburgh.

Willie Gallagher and all those at TIE should be ashamed of themselves.

This disgraceful tram project needs to be scrapped NOW before it is too late and more local businesses are forced to close their doors.


12

subrosa,

12/07/2008 16:03:12
'A recent report by consultants Halcrow concluded that an electric/diesel-powered tram-train service from the east to the west of the Capital would attract up to 1.5 million passengers a year, but require an annual £4.2m public subsidy.'

An annual subsidy of £4.2m to move Edinburgers from the east to the west side? Erm ...

13

Grumpy,

12/07/2008 16:03:48
Nice to see they've learned something from Manchester then, who planned tram-trains from the outset and was the key thing that got the Greater Manchester population to back the idea of trams returning - i.e. they would serve a wider population than if restricted to specialised tram routes only. (i.e. they don't just serve a non-existent population in Ocean Terminal where the current credit crisis is making the sale of homes at dead stop)
14

Danny Mather,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 16:35:25
#10 The original EARL plan was even more infeasible than the proposals offered by your EISL alternatives. The plan that has replaced it is not only more practical, but is also a small piece of rail plans that will deliver far greater benefits to central Scotland as a whole.
15

Aye Right...,

12/07/2008 16:51:03
This makes a bit more sense than a paltry little tram line down to the Scottish Office which costs millions and no one wants.

I've used these tram train thingamybobs down in Manchester and the setup is pretty impressive.
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Joe,

Livingston 12/07/2008 19:52:12
#14..I doubt the SNP's alternative EARL..yet to be announced..will offer the Scottish connectivity opportunities of the original EARL.. In fact the SNP seem to be shying clear of any tunnels rather than highlight their stupidity over EARL. How embarrasing given this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotthard_Base_Tunnel
18

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 12/07/2008 20:57:57
#18 - the only stupid thing was suggesting spending £1billion on the EARL project which would have made journey times longer for more people than it would have benefited.

It was uneconomic madness.
19

JWW,

Whitburn West Lothian 13/07/2008 11:12:35
Is this another project devised to keep the failed EARL employees in a job, at the taxpayers expense?
20

Douglas,

Bathgate 13/07/2008 12:54:03
Are tram trains not the rail buses of the 60s and before?
Yes, I am (just) that old. :o)
21

Ian down under,

Kawerau 13/07/2008 21:19:00
Tram trains are really meant for lightly used rural lines as an extension from cities. I don't think that means a major international airport.
Birmingham Airport: Main line station with intercity and local trains
Manchester Airport: Main line station with local and cross country trains, tramway extension also under way
Stansted Airport: local and cross country:
Southamptom Airport: intercity and local trains
Prestwick: frequent local trains
Glasgow: on its way a frequent local service
Then Edinburgh: a station a mile away with bus links. What have we done wrong and why do so many other major airports get decent rail access.
EARL was the only long term option. It would have cost less than 5 miles of motorway. It also had the potential to take away the existing main line to the Forth Bridge which prevents runway extension or adding a second runway. It also had the potential to link into the proposed high speed network which is supposed to include airports, and reduce domestic flights [which are the most carbon unfriendly ones]. It would also have eased future congestion on the Glasgow main line by separating off from the Bathgate-Airdire-Glasgow route.
22

westlothianjambo,

Bo'ness 13/07/2008 21:59:22
#7, How will you be able to go for free?

I presume you mean by way of free travel to pensioners?
This of course is only applicable to bus travel and has not to my knowledge been extended to any rail travel yet either Edinburgh trams or Glasgow subway.
I am do believe that TIE don't want you to relise this though.
23

Julian.,

edinburgh 14/07/2008 00:59:35
Would anyone like to take bets on when Euan will stop demanding that trams are scrapped?
24

Erica from East Kilbride,

14/07/2008 08:22:07
#6 - yes, fantastic in theory but the kind of flights I want don't exist in the west. I don't do Ibiza and Tenerife. Edinburgh International is the only Scottish airport with a proper mix of core business/European destinations. There are now even more frequent flights to the USA from Edinburgh. Glasgow Airport is difficult for me to get to - Edinburgh is perfectly located to be the nation;s true air gateway. Roll on the rail link to Scotland's premier airport.
25

Southsider71,

Newton Mearns, Glasgow 14/07/2008 09:48:06
#24, Strange that you find it awkward to get to the Glasgow airport from East Kilbride. I would have thought using the southern orbital expressway, the M77 and then on to the M8 would have been a really easy journey. Unfortunately for me, Edinburgh airport is awkward to get to, as Newton Mearns to Edinburgh is hardly a stress free journey along the M8 first thing in the morning...that aside, no preference to which airport i use to fly...
26

eric,

lothian 14/07/2008 12:20:48
Even though edinburgh is busier now ,Glasgow is well advanced and building Train link to Airport.We seem to have shot ourselves in foot by opting for the slow lane in trams,Glasgow airport will have 2 platforms ,I find Glasgow much more efficient cleaner airport and now with skyhub opening in october,
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Erica from East Kilbride,

15/07/2008 08:14:38
Glasgow is not well advanced - its airport is shrinking in terms of profitability and passenger throughput by the month. Edinburgh Airport has long been the most user-friendly of the BAA group within Scotland, offering a smart departure lounge and a pleasant experience. No amount of cosmetic changes will turn Glasgow Airport into anything remotely good. The People Mover to Paisley is not only a waste of money since the SKM report showed conclusively that there is no demand for it, but unlike Edinburgh it will only serve Paisley and no other part of Scotland. The Edinburgh Airport Rail Link will allow trains from across Scotland to access the nation's premier air gateway. I've been using Edinburgh for 30 years and have absolutely no intention of using an inefficient airport on the wrong side of a city. BAA know what side their bread is buttered on when it comes to their Scottish airports.

 

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