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Train-tram hybrids mooted for capital



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Published Date: 26 June 2008
PASSENGERS would use light rail carriages to travel across both Edinburgh's tram and train networks under bold plans, The Scotsman has learned.
The tram-trains would operate on routes such as the planned Borders rail line, then run on tram lines in Edinburgh.

TIE, formerly Transport Initiatives Edinburgh, sees the move as integrating the networks to bring more people into the city.

Th
e hybrid vehicles operate on rail lines in Germany and the Netherlands, with the first UK trial to start in two years.

They are cheaper than trains, have better acceleration and could carry more passengers.

They are also lighter, so they use less fuel, produce fewer emissions and cause less track wear.

However, there are potential safety issues over hybrids and trains sharing the same tracks in Britain to be resolved.

TIE said tram-trains could operate – along with trains – over the whole Borders line to Tweedbank, near Melrose. They would connect with the planned Edinburgh airport-Newhaven tram line via the south suburban rail line, an orbital route currently used only by freight trains.

Jim McEwan, TIE's business development director, said it would not be bound by the first tram-train trial in England and may present plans to the Scottish Government sooner.

The two-year pilot, on the Huddersfield-Sheffield line from 2010, will involve tram-trains sharing part of the line with trains. It may be followed by tram-trains running on the tram network in Sheffield.

The SNP failed in an attempt to scrap the tram scheme when it came to power last year, vowing not to provide additional funding to the £500 million pledged by their Labour-Liberal Democrat predecessors.

The £600 million plans also received £45 million from the city council, but are up to £55 million short. However, Mr McEwan told The Scotsman: "Let's start exploring this as an option. We can't wait until 2011 when trams will start running."

The Scottish Government's Transport Scotland agency said that it had no plans for tram-trains on the Borders line but would look at proposals if they met train service requirements.





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1

john z,

edinburgh 26/06/2008 00:28:00
What rubbish

It's called a Metro. They have it in Newcastle.
2

WJohn,

West Lothian 26/06/2008 00:50:09
TIE have to think of another wizard wheeze under cover of which they can hide the losses on the tram set.
Does this imply that the Waverly line will be electric or will diesel trains be chugging up Princes Street
It will make waiting to cross the road interesting while a train slowly passes.
3

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26/06/2008 03:27:53
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4

Scoop in the City,

26/06/2008 08:15:27
#2 _ I have a 'wizard wheeze' for you. Why not ban commuter traffic from West Lothian pouring into the city and clogging up the roads of the Edinburgh council tax payer. Fancy that? Certainly a cheaper alternative to building a transport system.
5

eric,

lothian 26/06/2008 08:30:26
Think Glasgow is looking at tram trains from central station .To Newton mearns etc.And Airport train staion so that Trains and trams can run up to the airport.
6

gus1940,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 08:40:50
Has any serious study ever been carried out on the feasiblity or otherwise of a proper metro (underground) system for Edinburgh but using the old trackbeds in the outer areas?

What's good for the capital of England should be good for the capital of Scotland.
7

dyon gollins's back,

The Hague 26/06/2008 09:54:45
This is already in place in The Hague where two former railway lines are used by new trams which also run on the streets of the city. It is working so well that the service frequency is to be doubled in the autumn to give twelve trams per hour from The Hague to the satellite town of Zoetermeer - about 15 Kms away - in the rush hour.
On this basis the south side loop in Edinburgh could link into the tram system currently under construction and there are other possibilities using previous and current or proposed track where this could be done over a period - say to Haddington, Penicuik, Musselburgh, Balerno and even Peebles. What is most important is to establish a strategy for the maximisation of the use of the infrastructure resources to be created - and there are plenty of examples, not just in Den Haag, but in France, Germany, Austria and Switzerland, where this is already in existence or contemplated.
8

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 10:13:00
Didn't it all work a lot better when we were allowed to drive our cars?
9

Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 26/06/2008 10:47:27
#8, you still are. Most Edinburghers don't drive to work anyway (probably never did).
10

Why can't I use my usual name?,

Glasgow 26/06/2008 10:48:51
#1, rubbish, probably. But does the Newcastle Metro share Network Rail's lines with 'big' trains - or have its own system?
11

Neil,

Glasgow 26/06/2008 11:12:32
"Bold" plans indeed. As the article states there is already a £55 million hole which Salmond is not going to fill for them.
12

Douglas,

Bathgate 26/06/2008 11:20:00
Hello there. I've got a delivery of moveable goalposts here. Could somebody sign for them?
13

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

26/06/2008 11:36:08
7. Aye and its called Randstad Rail. Its also in Brussels (on very OLD trams) called premetro and also in many german cities.

its not new.

However, it wont happen in edinburgh and is just a page filler.
14

The Ghost of Sir William Arrol,

The Forthy Bridge 26/06/2008 12:06:30
In San Diego the tram lines in the streets received funding from train haulage companies. They run trams during the day and one mile long double stacked container trains hauled by diesel locomotives at night right through the city streets.

I can see how Prince's street might look with a few freight trains rolling through!
15

PeeBee,

Chippenham 26/06/2008 13:00:24
#10 - The Tyne & Wear Metro was originally built as a segregated LRT system (former BR lines were handed over to the metro and joined up in central Newcastle by new underground sections), however when the Sunderland line was added it involved shared use of Network Rail tracks.
http://www.nexus.org.uk/wps/wcm/connect/Nexus
16

PeeBee,

Chippenham 26/06/2008 13:05:52
The birth place of Tramtrains was Karlsruhe in Germany in 1975 and today is the benchmark for such schemes. Copy this link into your browser to find out more:
http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/karlsruhe/index.html
17

off-comed-un,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 13:37:15
Although I was not convinced (and am not convinced) that trams are the best form of electric street transit for Edinburgh (principally because of the cost and difficulties of squeezing trams into our streets), the idea of tram trains does sound worth investigating. The expensive tram infrastructure would be serving more than one purpose, and between Waverly and Haymarket, I believe that the capacity on the railway is a limiting factor in running trains round the Southern sub.

If the tram-trains were to be powered on electricity right into the Borders, that would be even better, as even with current CO2 emissions from power stations, electric trains produce less CO2 than diesel ones. And as more electricity is generated from renewables, the CO2 emissions reduce further.

I doubt very much that we will see goods trains going down Princes St. I would be very surprised if there wasn't enough capacity on the southern sub (in the day time) and the Waverly valley (during the night).
18

danbob,

26/06/2008 14:04:58
10# The Newcastle metro has it's own tracks. This idea being muted is a different beast altogether. It's up and running in Germany and Netherlands as the report says and due to begin in Sheffield in three years. However the safety aspect is the weight of the trams. It is a concern that god forbid should one be in collision with a heavy freight train for example whilst sharing the network rail tracks, The carnage could be unimaginable.
19

Annoyingboi,

Edinburgh 26/06/2008 14:13:34
Well this latest idea will probably take another 15 years to get looked at, 20 years before it is even near financed and then roughly 2070 by the time it is in operation. By which time, we'll all be global warmed!
20

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 26/06/2008 20:36:17
A complete waste of money.
21

truthsleuth,

26/06/2008 23:28:21
#18 danbob,
Heaven forbid their should be a collission between a 1 tonne car or cyclist and a 44t truck!!!!!!!!!
22

truthsleuth,

26/06/2008 23:35:05
PS
The difference between mixing trains with trams compared with 44t trucks and cars/buses/bikes is SAFETY
Signalling will separate them and they will be regulated.
THe strength members on cars/buses are below the axle centre heigh/frame of lorries and trailers.

 

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