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The South Sub's still on track



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Published Date: 01 May 2008
HOPES of reopening Edinburgh's south-suburban rail line have been revived after city leader Jenny Dawe insisted the project was not dead.
The Lib Dem leader said she was still "committed" to the South Sub, despite recommendations from council officials to rule out the project.

A recent report by consultants Halcrow concluded that a passenger route from Newcraighall through the south
of the city to Edinburgh Park was the best option for the scheme – but would require a huge public subsidy.

The study also looked at the possibility of using trams on the track, which Halcrow claimed would provide most benefit through fewer car journeys, yet be the most costly option. So instead of trams or trains, the council's director of city development, Dave Anderson, wants to investigate providing new bus routes between the Morningside/Craiglockhart area and the Gyle.

Following the publication of the consultants' report, city transport leader Phil Wheeler said the business case for the South Sub was "just not strong enough".

However, Councillor Dawe said today: "It was hugely disappointing to see the presentation from Halcrow. People have since come forward to say that perhaps Halcrow didn't cover the right things.

"Whereas the consultants suggested this is a non-starter, we perhaps need to look more closely. I would be very pleased if we, as a council, could find a way to reopen the South Sub.

"This is not over by any means and I would imagine a good hearing (to supporters) will be given at next week's transport committee.

"There is still a very strong commitment, if at all possible, to have the South Sub as part of a modern, integrated public transport system in Edinburgh."

A decision on whether to back the plans, which have great public support, will be taken next week.

The Halcrow report claims existing expansion plans for services into Waverley and Haymarket, combined with growing passenger numbers, mean the South Sub scheme would have difficulty finding space for stops at both city centre stations.

Instead, it claims trains would attract 900,000 passengers a year on a route to Edinburgh Park, with eight stations, at a cost close to £40 million. Trams, using the South Sub route to Gorgie before joining the normal tram route to west Edinburgh, would attract 1.5 million passengers a year, but cost £50m to build.

A priority scheme for buses would cost £2.5m, but attract far fewer passengers and be poor value for money – leading to the recommendation that a bus link between just Morningside and Edinburgh Park would be better.

E-Rail, a private company formed to fight for the return of passenger trains, said it had raised up to £8m in contributions for the South Sub. General manager Andrew Robb said: "We found the report's conclusions surprising," he said. "The fight isn't over at all."





The full article contains 480 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Dunaskin,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 12:15:01
The Halcrow report didn't go deep enough to come up with benefit-cost-ratios. The original Atkins report is still valid, and that said that circular (or near-circular) services were value for money. If capacity between Haymarket and Waverley really is such a problem, then consider a simple shuttle service from a Haymarket Platform 5 (the old brewery siding site) to Newcraighall? Lots of interchange at a revamped Haymarket, for trains, buses, trams. A regular service to Morningside, Cameron Toll, Niddrie/Bingham and Newcraighall.
2

Duncan in Edinburgh,

01/05/2008 12:15:14
Much as I want the South Sub to be reopened, will this woman ever get a grip? Every single statement she makes is fence-sitting waffle. She's the leader of the council for goodness' sake! She needs to be decisive and clear. This suggests to me simply that she sees the electoral damage that could be done is the South Sub is dropped, and wants to minimise it. Deeply cynical and pointless in the extreme.
3

Grumpy,

01/05/2008 12:16:42
A bus link between the Park & Rides would be a good idea. Live in East Lothian, Park at Sherrifhall, jump on a bus to Hermiston, and a short bus ride into Gorgie. Much quicker than having to go through town and think of the decrease in the number of vehicles having to use the by-pass.
4

Padraig,

01/05/2008 12:35:32
"So instead of trams or trains, the council's director of city development, Dave Anderson, wants to investigate providing new bus routes between the Morningside/Craiglockhart area and the Gyle." said the city's new development director, Dave Anderson.

Just what we need - more buses that seem to need their own half of roads to be marked off for their occasional use and added road congestion. The attraction of the South Sub is that it would not just reduce car trips but take traffic off the roads. Not that I expect Dave to have grasped that. Or is his agenda to actually increase road congestion? I think he should tell us - we may require his resignation.

The old Labour administration called that approach "traffic management" with the aim of not having any traffic but the reduced footfall in the city centre has shown the error of their ways in this as in so much else.
5

Raoul Duke,

01/05/2008 12:42:19
Well build the thing then!!!!
6

Padraig,

01/05/2008 12:43:35
Dunaskin (1) said "If capacity between Haymarket and Waverley really is such a problem, then consider a simple shuttle service from a Haymarket Platform 5 (the old brewery siding site) to Newcraighall?"

Good thinking, Dunaskin - but we don't need even that. A shuttle from Haymarket to Waverley would fill the gap. I think that trains already run from Waverley to New Craighall.

Wait a minute - ir a tram stop could be placed at Waverley, we could use the tram between it and Haymarket. We could even use the same tickets on both and increase the number of Waverley - New Craighall trains to integrate them better.

Wow! We could even say it was intergated public transport! Now that sounds as though it could catch on!
7

Martin 2,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 12:44:07
I think once people noticed they could cross the city in 15 minutesd then many would go for the train. It is the ONLY way to get around a city quickly as it is off-road.

I have asked for timings for the tram - not given - nor for how long ( total journey time) to do a tram and bus journey e.g. Leith Walk to Morningside - again , not given.

Why the secrecy? If TIE don't know, then I would wonder how an integrated transport business plan could be passed.
8

Hamish B,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 12:56:19
I am confident that almost everyone in the Ciy of Edinburgh would be pleased to see this given the go ahead and if it costs £50 million then that surely represents value for money compared to over £500 million for the trams project. GIVE THE SOUTH SUB THE GO AHEAD ASAP
9

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01/05/2008 13:25:57
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Scallywag,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 13:27:51
#4 With regard to the New director of City Development
David Anderson was previously a Senior Director of Operations of Scottish Enterprise Edinburgh and Lothian - a position he took up in November 2006 - and was responsible for economic development across the Edinburgh city region which covers 4 local authority boundaries.Prior to this he was Chief Executive of Scottish Enterprise Dunbartonshire (1998); Director of Business and Skills Development, Enterprise Ayrshire (1991-97); Programme Development Manager, Training Agency Head Office (1986-90); Programme Manager, Manpower Services Commission (1984-86).Graduated 1976, BA Hons in History, University of Stirling; Post-graduate in Education at the University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne (1977); Master of Education Degree in Training & Development from the University of Sheffield (1993).

The man has no expertise in transport whatsoever. You may not have liked Andrew Holmes and the rest of the crew but they did at least have a background in transport and civil engineering. In city development - transportation the new head of the section is finding that his most expereinced staff have left or about to leave. The transportation section is now full of consultants with Halcrow being the main one given the framework agreement in place.
11

Mallory,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 13:32:59
I wonder if the enthusiasm in some quarters for new bus routes is connected with the likely reduction in cross town buses to 'force people' onto the trams?

Tram capacity (300 folk per tram every 6 minutes each way)would appear to reduce the need for buses with the exception of peak hours and I can't see Lothian Transport rationalising (reducing) their workforce.

12

Elvis G,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 13:44:51
4 questions:

Why, three months (at least) since Halcrow gave the Council their report, has it not been released to councillors?

Why did the former Director of City Development, Andrew Holmes, spin the report to the Evening News against the reopening of the South Sub?

Why did the Evening News lead with the headline about the cost of reopening "rocketing" to £39m when in real terms it is cheaper than the 1994 or 2000 estimates?

Why did Cllr Wheeler meekly go along with his officials without reading the report?
13

Dunaskin,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 13:48:42
#6 Padraig - the Newcraighall trains will (eventually) extend to Gorebridge and Gala. The point of running services round the Sub would be to offer cross-town journeys. Students from Gorebridge could travel to Cameron Toll and walk up to King's Buildings. Niddrie folk could go to Haymarket and get the tram to Edinburgh Park. Watson's kids could come in from Dunfermline to Morningside. Etc, etc....
14

Annoyingboi,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 13:54:03
That Dawg hass got to go. She's just a windpiece!
15

Alasdair MacWhirter,

Mending my bicycle 01/05/2008 13:54:13
#7 "I think once people noticed they could cross the city in 15 minutesd then many would go for the train. It is the ONLY way to get around a city quickly as it is off-road."
That'll be until the council decide to build a bus lane alongside the track, because that's the sort of idiotic thing they would do.
16

fresian,

dubai 01/05/2008 14:04:20
No 9, I was on a camel last saturday, and this thing was far more comfortable than a bus.....It didn't smell as bad either.
17

fresian,

edinburgh 01/05/2008 14:07:25
no 13, I would have agreed with you until you suggested allowing Niddrieites to use the train.
18

Liberton Star,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 14:47:50
The South Sub could make an important contribution to improving public transport in Edinburgh, but the Council need to get behind it if it is to happen. I am sure that the politicians mean what they say, but what they say on this is non-committal and meaningless.

The government have just cancelled the airport rail link, and yet there is no joined up campaign to seek funding for other rail projects instead. Rebuilding Waverley has been quietly dropped and all Cllr Dawe could say is 'we perhaps we need to look more closely' at the Sub.

That approach will consign the Sub to the waste-bin. Where's Lawrence Marshall? He needs to get his finger out and start campaigning for action not words.
19

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01/05/2008 15:44:59
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Lastsocialist,

bottomoftheocean 01/05/2008 15:49:51
Why not pour tens of billions of pounds into the development of a futuristic anti-matter teleportation system such as appeared in cult 60s TV series 'Star Trek' by Gene Rodenberry? Such a system would surely prove more cost effective once the nation's entire wealth had been squandered in pointless research.
21

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01/05/2008 16:13:19
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Sarah B,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 16:27:34
Scallywag (10) - I think we feel similarly perplexed by this appointment.

The Council, and particularly Transportation, is having difficulty recruiting new staff, in which case it may have little option but to contract to external consultants.

I think there has long been a dissatisfaction with certain departments amongst politicians and a belief that things should be handled by the private sector. This appointment seems to support that.

23

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01/05/2008 17:30:24
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Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 01/05/2008 18:27:37

It's been all talk talk talk and it's time to take the project further if they mean it.

So let's have some postive action.....that represents progress not just more talk and consultations for nothing to happen

25

Andrew,

01/05/2008 19:04:47
IT'S THERE - SO UTILISE IT FOR
T R A N S P O R T !!!
26

Euan,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 19:58:25
I can see any proposed budgets that may be set aside for this seemingly very worthwhile project in the future being swiftly re-directed towards the almost inevitable MASSIVE cost over-runs of the insane tram LINE.

27

Peter Wyngarde,

01/05/2008 23:02:57
Hovercraft, thats the way forward!! No need for new tracks/lines/power/cables and whatever...
28

AndrewS,

Edinburgh 01/05/2008 23:45:19
Run trams on the line with a major interchange at Haymarket. This would suit people from the Southside wanting to travel into the city centre, Leith,Gyle or any of the train services to Glasgow,Dunblane, or Fife.
29

Gospaul,

Gorgie 02/05/2008 05:16:26
The biggest problem with restoring a conventional passenger service on the south sub is that apart from the south sub itself, all of the outer terminii it used to serve (i.e. Corstorphine, Leith Central & Musselburgh) no longer exist as they, together with their branch lines, were closed and lifted in the late 1960s...

I'd say the best hope for what remains is some sort of hybrid tram-train service, that would run on the streets as a tram to outer terminii, and on the rails for the central section. There are various examples of these being developed ealsewhere - the newest part of the Tyne & Wear Metro between Pelaw & Sunderland shares tracks with heavy rail trains; and the Government has recently announced an experimental, evaluative service will run between Sheffield and Huddersfield in a couple of years' time.

As the Leith-Airport tram route seems to be coming anyway, it may well be some short spurs to it could be constructed linking it to the south sub in the area of Haymarket train depot and maybe Leith Walk on the soon-to-be-disused Powderhall branch - running via a restored Abbeyhill loop and maybe even reversing in and out of Waverley at its east end - which has spare capacity and room for construction of further platforms.

Indeed, last year's renumbering of Waverley's platforms include provision for future restoration of two more bay platforms at the east end, currently used as short locomotive headshunts with the remainder filled in for the use of road vehicles - or why else would the new numbers jump from 4 (the platform used by most of the North Berwick trains) to 7 (the outer end of the main through platform on the station's south side)?

 

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