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Six injured after triple bus collision on Capital's guided route



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Published Date: 01 July 2008
INVESTIGATIONS are under way after a three-bus shunt on the Capital's guided busway system left six people injured.
The crash happened on the city's Fastlink busway running alongside Broomhouse Drive, and involved a double-decker and two other buses.

It is understood the crash happened when a single-decker service crashed into the back of a slowing-down double-decker, which was then shunted into another single-decker in front, which had come to a stop.

Six people were injured in total, including the driver of the bus at the back of the pile-up.

Ambulance and emergency crews were alerted and attended the scene of the crash, which happened around 2pm yesterday.

Three fire engines went to the scene, prompted by fears that passengers could be trapped.

Fire crews had to help some of the injured passengers off the buses but most were unhurt after their ordeal. The injuries of the six hurt were described as minor, with some cuts and effects of whiplash. Ambulance crews took them to hospital.

Officers from Lothian and Borders road safety team were at the incident.

Investigations into the cause of the accident are under way and will look at whether driver error or a fault with the guided busway system was the cause.

A spokesman for Lothian and Borders Police appealed for witnesses and said: "We are looking for anyone who saw the incident to get in touch.

"We are especially keen to hear from anyone who was a passenger on the bus that had stopped.

"Some people from the front bus had left when police first arrived."

The spokesman also said police had already spoken to the passengers of the other two buses.

The Fastlink busway, a two-lane, 1.5km stretch of road from Stenhouse to Broomhouse, opened in December 2004 at a cost of £10 million, promising a "fast, modern bus service that will speed past traffic congestion".

The buses have specially adapted wheels which fit between rails on either side of the bus lane so they can slip on to the guided busway, avoiding traffic jams on the adjoining roads.

But users had complained the ride was too rough, and the busway was forced to close for repairs in July 2005, so that bumpy tracks could be smoothed out.

It also closed for a second time later that year for a few days.

Council chiefs are currently considering plans to build another guided busway on sections of the route from the city centre to the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary.

A Scottish Ambulance Service spokesman said: "We had to take six people to hospital but they were what you would describe as "walking wounded" and it was more of a check-up than anything.

"Three ambulances attended the crash and all of the injured were taken to the ERI."

A spokesman for Lothian Buses said: "We believe the injuries were minor and we are co-operating fully with the vehicle and operator services agency and also with all emergency services. The incident is being investigated fully."

He also said that the drivers would be interviewed by Lothian Buses, as well as by the police.


The full article contains 535 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Hibernian 1875 ...,

01/07/2008 12:00:38
Whats the betting a few have sore necks?
2

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01/07/2008 12:02:49
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3

allknowing,

01/07/2008 12:03:22
I wont be long until Princes St is closed down due to this happening on the tram line.
4

Cramondo,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 12:19:57
#2 As an unbiased cyclist I find that First Bus drivers give me much less room than their LRT colleagues.
5

Scotish Exile,

01/07/2008 12:21:56
hope the drivers were breathalysed
6

I love to eat Sellotape,

01/07/2008 12:22:26
Room for what?
7

Journalistic licence,

In a tram 01/07/2008 12:24:14
What's the betting the driver in the back bus was the demoted train driver playing on his psp?
8

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 12:26:30
I prefer unbalanced cyclists.
9

Mozam,

01/07/2008 12:30:01
Crashed on a guided busway!!

Its guided how can they crash, other than not paying attention to whats infront of them.

Please sack the driver/s who caused this we don't need anymore incompetent drivers on the roads, these are meant to be professional drivers also...what a joke.

I hope the are fined and please can all the passangers who were injured sue Lothian Buses.

I notice they are investigating whether the guided buslane was to blame??? EH!..

The way some of these so called drivers hanmmer around in the 22's is dangerous, slamming on brakes at the last minute at lights and bus stops and pulling up no more than 6 inches from the vehicle in front and they can't even count to 25! thats the standing capacity in the buses yet get 8 or 10 people standing and sorry its full!

Get them sacked, or at least pay for a resit of their tests!
10

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 01/07/2008 12:33:21
Lothian Region have a good accident record so perhaps this is an isolated incident and may be pure human error which can be looked into and dealt with.

Earlier comment re First Bus drivers. It's like running the gauntlet with them if you are driving and so lucky to have one of their buses behind you as they drive so close to you. They also pull out without notice. They lack manners and driving skills.

I will give LRT a chance to sort out cause and prevention for the future.

No doubt there will be some who will play on their experience on the bus to save working and live off the state and no doubt sue!!
11

Dileas,

01/07/2008 12:33:24
Perhaps the last bus driver lacked guidance on when to stop.

It may be a problem that guided bus drivers become detatched from driving on these busways, in which case, there is a real problem for tram drivers who will always be on a track.

Perhaps the trams should be fitted with radar to apply the brakes when in close proximity to another vehicle. But then, they couldn't have the planned "priority" over other road traffic.
12

Sleepy Fergus,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 12:43:35
It really doesn't surprise me. I travel on a LRT most days, and their driving skills leave a LOT to be desired. My bus this morning (no 33 at 8.30am on Princes Street from ERI) sailed through a red light. It wasn't amber to red, it was RED. The pedestrians waiting to cross the crossing were lucky not to be mowed down. The speed the buses drive at is also ridiculous, the 31 down Minto Street feels like it's about to take off such is the speed.
13

CyclingEdinburgh,

01/07/2008 12:50:23
Agree with positive comments on LB drivers. MOST are very professional/considerate. A small number still think it's fun/necessary to intimidate cyclists - usually near bus stops.

Out of town bus/coach drivers are generally inconsiderate - partly due to not seeing many cyclists outside Edinburgh and partly due to (lack of) training.

LB's training is of a high standard - and most drivers practice what they have been taught.
14

Dicriminated,

common sense land 01/07/2008 12:53:28
There is a paralell here witht he trams. The guided busway like the trams is a lemon. We see here that one accidnet and the thing grinds to a halt. With the trams it is the same. At least with buses you can divert them to streets around an accident or delay. You cannot do this with a tram.
15

20something,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 12:56:40
I agree that LRT drivers are generally good drivers, as a bus user, driver and occasional cyclist. Accidents happen though and I'm sure the responsible driver will get a telling off and that's all that should happen.

#11: Buses and trams are VERY different. Your cheap dig at the trams only make you look daft.
16

20something,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 12:58:13
#14: I think your bus was diverted on the way to "common sense land" and you accidently got off at "not a clue land". You're a lemon.
17

Cynicaltalk,

01/07/2008 12:59:53
Hello, Injury Lawyers Direct..........
18

Scotish Exile,

01/07/2008 13:00:08
#13

until cyclists stop:
- riding on pavements
- ignoring red lights
- ignoring one way signs
- etc, etc etc

They are fair game
19

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 01/07/2008 13:06:04
#18 Exile boy (aren't we happy about that, btw) - is that all cyclists - as long as one does those things, all cyclists are fair game?
Same applies to motorists presumably, aye, and to people generally. As long as humans kill and rob, they are fair game. I think you should be put in a pot and boiled up for glue.
20

Donald, Edinburgh,

01/07/2008 13:07:57
#18 - Fair game for what? And how do you know which cyclists obey the rules and which don't? I suspect your prejudice makes you feel justified in endangering every cyclist you see, which is criminal behaviour and betrays not a little psychopathy on your part. Get a grip.
21

East at Easter,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 13:08:14
serves LRT right. Their stupid buses annoy me are hideous on our roads. Paint them green at least.
22

JT,

01/07/2008 13:10:59
We travelled along buslink on sunday and its sure as hell aint smooth, the bus back scraped along the lane, having said that most drivers are ok but just maybe someone wasnt looking where they were going. As for cyclists # 13 they should look where they are going as well, stay off the bloody pavements for a start!
23

Vic,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 13:11:18
#18 jaw-droppingly dumb comment. I hope you just did it to provoke, and don't actually believe what you wrote.
24

TRUE RED,

edinburgh 01/07/2008 13:12:04
to 9 and 10
2 drivers have been sacked.
and all you need to look at is the court cases to see lothian buses being sued every other day for personal accident claims and that tells you about safe driving.
25

ejstubbs,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 13:24:31
#12 When I lived in the West End I used regularly to see LRT buses running through the red light on the traffic signals at the top of Palmerston Place. LRT drivers may get good training but not all of them seem to practice everything they're taught.
26

JulesF,

01/07/2008 13:25:50
That's the trouble with buses, you wait all day for one, then three come along at once !
27

Desperately Seeking.......a solution,

01/07/2008 13:31:03
What's the common phrase...you wait all day for a bus and then three.....
28

Desperately Seeking.......a solution,

01/07/2008 13:31:42
#26 Oooh, you got in there just before me !
29

JulesF,

01/07/2008 13:46:31
#28 That's the trouble with funny comments, you wait for one and then three come along at once :)
30

jambo1,

Rotherham 01/07/2008 13:46:32
bloody typical, wait for one bus and three crash together
31

jambo1,

Rotherham 01/07/2008 14:06:43
can someone tell me, how come there are loads of service number 22s too and from ocean terminal? wouldn't it be better for these buses to bump into each other and just provide one long bus instead? saves the LRT investigation team time and effort
32

Bellstane,

Queensferry 01/07/2008 14:45:53
There is much less chance of an accident with First Bus, since they frequently fail to turn up.
I usually find that Lothian buses provide an excellent service.
33

GGDaz,

Edinburry 01/07/2008 15:02:25
The guided bus rails are pathetic compared with the ones around europe. The journey leaves you feeling sick from the shaking and bouncing back and forth. They should be done away with, never mind building another one!
34

Farmernot,

01/07/2008 15:03:31
Bring back the clippies and the drivers can concentrate on driving.......move on up the bus please !!! Ting....Ting
35

Statsman,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 15:14:39
33 GGDaz

I agree. The guided busway is like an off-road track. It would have been cheaper to make it a metre wider and a standard flat tarmac road. That easier and cheaper solution probably didn't tick enough boxes in the PC Beggite transport manual though.
36

Dragonlord,

01/07/2008 15:18:22
15# You are the one looking stupid. Guided buses and trams are similar. This accident proves the point. Once there is an accident involving one tram, the whole network( Sorry LINE) comes to a halt.The big problem with trams is, there is nowhere else for them to go, so all movement stops.
37

Statsman,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 15:19:53
31 jambo1

You could just do that and use double deckers on the route and cut the service frequency. That idea presents minimal cost implications.

However, if you are a lunatic member of the Beggite brigade, the obvious solution is to spend £600m replacing the 22 bus with a larger tram that is also less frequent than the 22 bus and is less flexible than a double decker bus.

See what they did there? Waste vast amounts of taxpayers' money!


38

Statsman,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 15:27:53
36 Dragonlord

Don't worry. The Beggites probably have a plan to create Transformer Trams that sprout legs and run around town when this kind of thing happens. These will cost a further £500m but it is SO worth it just to say your city has trams with legs at the next European inter-authority junket meeting in Vienna. It proves we are a 'modern and vibrant' city... or some nonsense to that effect.
39

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 16:12:26
#9, #12
It's not the fault of the bus drivers. When the driver has to slam on the brakes at the roundabout, it's due to some map reading tourist who only discovers they have to make a right turn, after they have gone halfway round. The same goes for bus-stops.

I've been on the bus when the driver has been tailgating a cyclist. There doesn't seem to be any alternative - the cyclist wants to stay in the left side of the road for safety while avoiding parked cars, while the bus driver wants to move to the left to halt at a bus stop.
40

Diana,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 16:12:46
The only thing that surprises me is that it doesn't happen more often. These bus drivers wait until the last possible moment to even start slowing down, let alone stopping. They leave about a two-inch gap between their bus and the bus in front. It can be quite frightening!
41

tomias,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 16:45:50
OK then thats 40 plus my one 41- hmm predictable keetch
42

spurtacus,

01/07/2008 17:35:39
I was on a bus once and had a marvellous time. Dont let this put you off.
43

swelly,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 17:54:18
Perhaps if Lothian Buses revised their timetables to take into account all the roadworks around Edinburgh, our buses wouldn't run so late, and the drivers wouldn't have to drive so fast to stay on time! Maybe we should cut the drivers a bit of slack and blame the management of Lothian Buses for having such unrealistic expectations.
44

dig dig,

01/07/2008 17:56:54
#6 Are you on medication if not you should be what, a nutter
45

Waspy100,

01/07/2008 18:00:44
#42
Time you had a life then and used them more often.
I have been on buses all over the world on my travels and have some lovely memories
46

20something,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 18:12:35
#36: Trams are very very reliable so seldom break down and if one did, they are easily towed. Not a huge issue and if you think this hasn't been though of... you are pretty stupid.
47

jazzman,

musselburgh 01/07/2008 18:27:20
Unfortunate accident,but lothian buses see things as accidents are caused not just happen and the drivers involved will be sacked or disiplined their fault or not.
48

iliveinatoilet.com,

edinburgh 01/07/2008 18:42:09
whit do you want fur a pound ten, drapped aff at yer door
49

Statsman,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 19:44:47
46 20something

Trams derail.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7480690.stm
50

Dragonlord,

01/07/2008 19:46:45
46# You are right I never thought of that. Er$e. What will tow the tram? Or, as suggested on here, the next one along will shove it. Fixed rail transport is inflexable. Therefore when a tram breaks down or crashes,the next one in line is stuck too, and so on. Just how quickly will a tow truck come along? Because there is no way health and safety will allow a five carrage tram, to shove another of equal length.TIE has pulled the woll over your eyes, if you can't see the simplest of points.
51

Bravetart,

01/07/2008 21:38:37
#38 Transformer trams!

Excellent idea, I'm for that.
52

Issy,

Port Seton 01/07/2008 23:37:52
Bus travel leaves a lot to be desired - both First and LRT drivers can be rude, drive too fast, buses are dirty and littered and noisy.
There are too many buses on some routes purely due to the bus companies competing with each other.
They are polluting and anti-social.
This latest accident does not surprise me in the least - bad driving, bad attitude and bad planning.
53

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02/07/2008 08:24:53
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54

LRT Driver 431,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 10:41:31
As a Lothian driver myself, I feel more qualified than most of your contributors to comment on this story. Here are some facts:

First of all, LRT guidelines for operating on the busway state that you must leave a minimum gap of 100 METRES between yourself and the bus in front. If this had been adhered to, it is difficult to see how this accident could possibly have occurred.

Second, all new drivers start out as single deck drivers, working 12hr spreads, before later moving on to more 'sociable' double deck duties. It is often the case, therefore, that drivers on the 22s are the newest and most inexperienced at the company's Central garage.

Thirdly, regarding the comments about the general standard of Lothian drivers, as usual it is a small minority of bad drivers who give us all a bad name. There will always be those drivers who view the running board as a target, which must be met at all costs, and will do anything and take any risk in order to be at point X by time Y. Sensible drivers accept that the running board is, in fact, nothing more than a promise not to be at point X ANY EARLIER than time Y, and drive to the same safe standard, regardless of earlier delays and holdups.

Of course, the running times themselves are generally completely unrealistic; I invite any of your readers to acquire a copy of the official timetable for any of the core services, sit on an appropriate bus for a journey, and see for themselves exactly how irrelevant to actual driving conditions they are. The later you run, the more passengers you inevitably pick up, and the more and nastier comments you have to endure from that tiny percentage of the travelling public who are small-minded enough to assume that you are deliberately late purely to spite them. Faced with that, it is hardly surprising that some drivers, particularly those who are new and inexperienced, start to panic, and end up putting the foot down or taking risks in the hope of making back some of the lost time.
55

LRT Driver 431,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 10:42:33
(continuation of #54)

The company absolves itself from any blame by papering the walls of the garages with notices threatening all sorts of disciplinary action for any and all breaches of the traffic laws, and saying drivers can submit claims for any late time and they will be paid accordingly; however this does not stop certain managers from putting subtle pressure on them to meet the schedules by having them attend "informal interviews" where they must justify late running; nor does it stop some overtime claims mysteriously going amiss. And the fact remains, human nature dictates that some drivers, when faced with a torrent of abuse from supposedly civilised members of the public, will choose the course of action most likely to offer a 'quiet life' and take risks to keep the bus on time.

I hope that Ms Joan Aitken and her colleagues in the Scotland Traffic Area Commisioner's Office will be looking into this incident, and in particular the relationship between service scheduling and driving standards.
56

allknowing,

02/07/2008 11:30:47
"that some drivers, when faced with a torrent of abuse from supposedly civilised members of the public"

We are talking about buses here, civilised people dont use buses, only the poor, scummy, ned parts of society!!!

I pity the fools who use busses!
57

bus37,

edi 02/07/2008 11:39:35
well done lrt driver, the comunity is not smart enough to understand driving conditions, i am driver as well, so i feel sick reading comments of cyclist, wcich breaking all the rules at road, filtering red lights, traveling on the middle of the road is the standard of them, passengers want be exatcly on time a than traveling comfortable 10 miles per hour, buhahahah what a ironic, well done pedestrians who crosing prices st, along, across but not using pedestrian crosing. and yes, 22's drivers have the worst drivng conditions, 12h shifts, 5 hours behind the wheel, and who is making coments, yes office part-timers and life unemplyed using them free of charge "blue" journeys.

well done edinburgh!
58

bus37,

edi 02/07/2008 11:42:36
#56, have you done valeting for fancy range rover today?
59

Bonzo,

02/07/2008 11:48:45
#56

I pity the fools who can't spell 'buses'. Amusing name though.
60

The Dundy,

Dundee 02/07/2008 11:48:56
That wee exchange between Jules and Desperately Seeking Susan was slendid stuff. [Just thought it worth a mention . . ]
61

jimb4abobor2,

Edinburgh 04/07/2008 02:16:54
As a whole never had much problems with the LRT drivers when on there buses but never been on a 22 so cant comment but i will say when your late and trying to get down town for an appointment there always seems to be just 1 person getting off or on at every bus stop now thats annoying all they have to do is get off a few hundred yrds up the road less stops less time too get there and i would also like to say i must admit that the drivers seem to go faster when there due to change drivers normally on the way back from town IE 45mins in 30 mins out of town
62

Madrona Beach Guy,

Washington State, USA 08/07/2008 16:28:51
For those with negative comments on the Edinburgh City Bus drivers, I can only say that you should walk in their shoes. I worked as a bus driver in your city many years ago and am proud to say that I was one of your professional drivers. Yes, professional and in all the years since, I have use the training I was given to travel many years accident free. You should be proud of the men you meet each morning to whisk you away to work.

 

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