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Passengers slam new bus fare rise



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Published Date: 28 June 2008
BUS firm First has come under fire after announcing fare increases of up to 15 per cent on its routes to and from the Capital.
The inflation-busting price increases come into effect tomorrow and will see adult single fares in Edinburgh rise by 10p with tickets in other parts of the Lothians going up by 20p.

Day and weekly tickets will also see steep increases with the c
ost of a day ticket between South Queensferry and Edinburgh jumping from £3.60 to £4.20.

First today blamed the price increases on rising fuel costs but community groups and politicians today hit out at the move.

In April, Lothian Buses put up the price of its adult day ticket by 10p with rising fuel bills also blamed. The company said today it had no plans to put up its fares again.

Keith Giblett, chairman of South Queensferry Community Council, said: "This is very disappointing news, the Government and council are trying to push people towards public transport but that is made difficult with big jumps in fares like this.

"I understand the economic pressures on First but there has to be some way of shielding communities which only have access to one bus service provider.

"People in the western parts of South Queensferry can get access to the Stagecoach buses which stop at the bridge but everyone else has no choice but to travel with First."

Escalating oil prices over the last year have seen the price of diesel in the Lothians increase by up to a third.

John Caldwell, independent councillor for Musselburgh East and Carberry, where a number of First services operate, said: "We appreciate the economic situation facing us all just now because of the price of fuel but this really does fly in the face of encouraging people to use public transport.

"This above-inflation increases offers little incentive to people to make the switch from the car."

Paul Thomas, managing director for First in Scotland East, said: "In light of the escalating increases in fuel and other operating costs, we have reluctantly decided to revise the price of some of our fares."





The full article contains 363 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

allknowing,

28/06/2008 15:08:53
Use the bus!!!!

No thanks, late, smelly, full of unwashed public folk, and costs a fortune.

Mmm.. let me think about it, NO!
2

Capital Boy,

28/06/2008 15:15:44
oh so they are called First Bus? I thought it was Empty Bus coz I never see anyone on them !!
3

alex paterson,

edinburgh 28/06/2008 15:33:05
I love my 4x4 and will always use it everywhere i go,Hee Hee,buses kiss my ass.
4

The Sheriff,

28/06/2008 15:34:54
Why should bus users be exempt for a fare increase?Have they not noticed the rising cost of diesel?
5

Boy Wonder,

28/06/2008 15:48:44
With the bus companies we've got ... I'll stick to my wee car thanks! :D
6

geekpie,

forfar 28/06/2008 15:54:09
Edinburgh bus services are among the best in the UK. It's one of the reasons those who bring their 1.25 tonnes of steel into the city with them every day should be taxed heavily.
7

Big Aggie,

Dalkeith 28/06/2008 15:56:52
The bus service in and around Edinburgh is second to none. You want to try using the buses in other parts of the UK to see just how cheap and frequent a service it is. I don't think £1.10 or £1.20 is an unreasonable amount to pay when you look at the absolutely criminal fees that are charged for parking in the city. As for dirty or smelly, well, I doubt that First employ people to ensure that the buses leave the depot in that condition. It is the minority of ill-bred social inadequates who would disgrace a pigsty who are to to blame for that.
8

Paraclete,

Edinburgh 28/06/2008 16:06:17
They have a cheek saying its to do with fuel rises !! They forget to mention their heavy fuel rebates !!! And I mean heavy fuel rebates
9

Applecrumble,

Balerno 28/06/2008 16:36:05
#7 I agree. Ilived in Oxford for a while and the busfare was abominable! £2.60 for a one-way fare which was about the distance from Balerno to Gillespie Cross Roads. A right rip-off. Just get a bus pass if you want cheaper travel, although with LRT it isn't worth it because the buses never turn up...
10

wolfette,

Edinburgh 28/06/2008 16:38:16
IN Edinburgh the buses are great. INTO Edinburgh and out again, not so great.

11

bill inch,

EDINBURGH 28/06/2008 16:50:14
they live outside the city work in the city and want to be subsidised even more for there decision
12

Dragonlord,

28/06/2008 17:15:18
They didn't moan when they were getting cheap transport. Now they have to pay their way, they moan again. If you want to save the planet and use foul smelling piblic transport, you should be happy to cough up for the privilage.
13

Hamish B,

Edinburgh 28/06/2008 18:19:33
"Day and weekly tickets will also see steep increases with the c
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ost of a day ticket between South Queensferry and Edinburgh jumping from £3.60 to £4.20. "

South Queensferry is a part of the city of Edinburgh so it is scandulous that they are paying way over the odds for travelling to and from the city centre!!!!
14

Diana,

Edinburgh 28/06/2008 20:13:37
The buses are fine if you want to go to city centre. Forget it if you want to go anywhere else - no point, if it's going to take you 2 or 3 buses and 2 hours to get there.
15

blackley,

Edinburgh 28/06/2008 20:33:51
Edinburgh buses are the best. No question.
16

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

28/06/2008 20:44:13
The trams will bring the fares down
17

Dragonlord,

28/06/2008 21:08:06
16# The fares will rise further due to the toy train set. The cost of running the train, will mean they will have to charge real world prices, and bus fares will follow.
18

WKKB,

28/06/2008 21:33:38
Does anyone know if there has been a study to see just how much the emmissions will go up when the cars are forced off the road and more buses are running? I ride the bus as well as use my car when necessary. When in my car I notice the emmissions every time a bus starts up or excellerates... sometimes there is only a small handfull of people on the bus. If that small handfull of people were to drive a car would their emmissions be more or less than the bus? Hmmmm.... anyone have an answer?
19

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 29/06/2008 00:13:21
#7 I agree. I worked in another city for a while - one bus route had to go through an industral estate with security gates. If the security guard wasn't in his little cabin, the bus was cancelled. Other cities don't even have a bus service after 6.00pm.

However, the problem is that in some areas (25/38 bus routes), there won't be a single bus for half an hour, then three buses with different route numbers will arrive all at the same time. Couldn't the bus timetable be arranged so that there is a bus every ten minutes?
20

the navman,

south queensferry 29/06/2008 13:06:27
give us lrt bus service to city centre .then lets see how first bus fares go think competition is needed fast to let them see how we feel in the ferry poor buses poor service and very poor fare hike
21

just-whatever-eh,

DR/F1/M02 29/06/2008 16:24:29
#11 - very good point

From memory First put up their bus fares just at Christmas time.
22

rs,

in ma house 29/06/2008 21:29:01
South Queensferry is a part of the city of Edinburgh so it is scandulous that they are paying way over the odds for travelling to and from the city centre!!!!

The Sth queensferry Comm Council sometime ago welcomed FIRST investment in new Buses and they didn't want another Fares War.

LB did operate to SQ at one point, But pulled out after a bit of a gentleman's agreement with FIRST (or their predessors),

Its a pity the People in SQ didn't vote with their Feet and boycotted FIRST at the time and use LB, Fares would have still been low.

When FIRST pulled out of Penicuik, did LB increase the fares . NOPE Fares are Lower and have brand new buses running on them.!

Noteably of course the 20p rise effect people were there is NO COMPETITION and FIRST are free to charge what they want!!!
23

rs,

in ma house 29/06/2008 21:29:42
21

wasn;t that on selected areas?
24

rs,

in ma house 29/06/2008 21:31:14
no16

right.....TIE have indicated that fares will be the same as the buses, if I remember rightly, TIE indicated that they should be around £1.30.

Right my Name.!!
25

rs,

in ma house 29/06/2008 21:34:29
no11

you'll find that Sth Queensferry is within the City of Edinburgh Council Area and pay the same COUNCIL TAX as yourself.

In fact on Recently, the Council erected Signs at Sth Queensferry Welcoming People to Inspiring Edinburgh...

Buses to Balerno..........Just about every bus goes to Balerno or Wallyford
26

rs,

in ma house 29/06/2008 21:39:30
no18

has there ever been a study to compare the emissions of, say the number of people who are on a bus covering 12 miles compared to the same number using their car.

So 1 bus over 12 miles carries 150 people, now how much omissions does 150 cars produce?

Anyway, the school holiday are here, less cars on the road from tomorrow, which means my bus will run to time and wont be held up by those 80% empty cars!!!!
27

rs,

in ma house 29/06/2008 21:53:51
no11 Bill

And how much are people from South Queensferry and the rest of Scotland contributing towards the £512m tram line in Edinburgh ?

£500m from the Scottish Tax payer, £12m from the Edinburgh Council, which Sth Queensferry is part of , so who is subsidising who?
28

rs,

in ma house 29/06/2008 22:09:10
to quote "We are all go for the 15-minute frequency on October 17, and this will result in extra capacity on the route that will remain available for the foreseeable future. Bringing Lothian Buses into the equation is deeply unhelpful in what FirstGroup is trying to achieve here after years of criticism.

Martin Gallagher, chairman, Queensferry Bus Users' Group, Stoneyflatts Crecent, South Queensferry"
29

rs,

in ma house 29/06/2008 22:16:53
for information, FIRST are having a Fares Revision NOT a Fares Increase!!!!!
30

Julian.,

edinburgh 29/06/2008 22:34:19
rs,

I think you've had more than your fair share of postings.

One thing I wondered; if First cut their fares, does that still get described as a fares revision?

By the way, there's no chance LRT allow 108 people onto their double deckers. Where did you get that figure from? And where are those 22 people officially supposed to stand? I think you'll find the figure is 86 seated and standing but I'll double check the next time I'm on a bus.
31

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30/06/2008 03:04:55
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32

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30/06/2008 03:04:57
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33

Son of Loki,

The Dark Side 30/06/2008 03:14:03
Really, really, really sorry for the double posting there. I thought I had the Schizophrenia under control and then wham, I'm there in stereo.

I shall go and be annoying in another part of the house!

Stay alive, etc, etc

Loki Jnr

Loki Jnr
34

Ian down under,

Kawerau 30/06/2008 05:31:53
South Queensferry at least has alternatives like Dalmeny Station and even South Gyle and Edinburgh Park are options.
As for #3 we are not envious of your 4x4 after all Jeremy Clarkson and co have shown us how good they are.....[or most of them, not], and as for your fuel bill well there is always a mortgage and you could live in it.
35

Ian down under,

Kawerau 30/06/2008 05:40:18
Just a though. Can anybody explain why all the buses , both First and Lothian all seem to go empty to places you don't want to go to.
Stand in Musselburgh and there is a bus about every 8 seconds by each company to Wallyford and they go past virtually empty. Wallyford of course has a railway station. Then the hourly First bus to North berwich which provides the only link to Aberlady and Gullane arrives full.
Also through ticketing between First buses and First trains [the same company!!]is virtually impossible except for the cumbersome Plusbus.
If the routes were franchised and revenue pooled we could have uniform ticketing throughout the Lothians with day/week etc tickets available on buses, trains [and trams] within a specified area.
On a recent visit to Sydney Australia I bought a weekly ticket for about 17 pounds which covered all buses, trains, trams, monorail and ferries in an area the size of the Lothians and southern Fife. There were no rush hour restrictions and the services were very good. Most trains ran to 5 or 10 minute frequencies and with 8 double deck carriages could actually take about 1000 people seated. Perhaps a scaled down version of this vision is needed.
36

Niadh,

Edinburgh 30/06/2008 12:29:14
#16 Strange!! from what I have heard in all the PR garbage they don't intend making the tram fares cheaper.
they said that the tram fares will be in line with the bus fares.
That is not to say of course that the bus fares will not be increased to make that so.
In fact i would expect them to do exactly that.
37

Pond Hall,

30/06/2008 12:37:03
no35...I pass through Musselburgh and have never seen these empty buses passing at 8 second intervals.

People at some point do get off buses, wallyford you'll find is a good terminal point.

Stand in Musselburgh and what you see is cars with only the driver (obviously) jamming up musselburgh High Street.

Its a bit of Supply and Demand, but it doesn't help when FIRST insist on using single deck buses with low capacity on routes like North Berwick, and use double deckers on the 44
38

Detector,

30/06/2008 12:44:00
This is not the first time First Bus service has issued rediculous fare rises. Haddington seems to be hit the hardest all the time, with the last price increase of 33%. You can get to Tranent for £1.10, but it will cost you almost £3 to go from Tranent to haddington - they have no competition beyond Tranent, which is why they charge the way they do. What's more, they get a top-up from the Council to ensure they do not increase too high (yeah, right.) They are a private company who seem to think each year on year requires an increased profit margin - forget joe public, they are not interested. If they could only figure out a way to get money for nothing!
39

Pond Hall,

30/06/2008 12:49:27
no38 its been going on for the last 20+ years by FIRST and their Predecessors.

West Lothian is even worse in terms of single fares

Try living in Longniddry, they offer a 1 day zone ticket, that you can use well in Longniddry.

Strangely enough, the same Zonal Day ticket can be used in most of West Lothian, thats FIRST for You.!!!

Bizarre to say the least
40

Amenemhat,

30/06/2008 14:12:13
Just bought my weekly ticket on the first bus monopoly, yes I live out in East Lothian past preston pans so all the trains and buses are run by First luckily had more money than usual to pay the £5 extra onto my £25 pound weekly ticket.
41

mrsweekeef,

Edinburgh 01/07/2008 15:54:10
Don't know what the fuss is about - First now same price as LRT. First Buses are smellier and dirtier - not sure why!

Worse than the price rise will be the complete mayhem when Haymarket Junction is closed (for guess what....the trams!)as well as all the other simultaneous road closures for gas mains, road repairs etc that the Council in all their wisdom have agreed to.

It's the summer of discontent!
42

Galaman,

Galashiels 04/07/2008 10:55:35
Absolutely right, #8. FirstBus keep increasing their fares on a regular basis, even at times when there are no increases in fuel costs.
All you FirstBus drivers out there, you will be lucky if you're still in a job in ten years' time. Bus fares by then will be so dear that anyone without a bus pass will not be able to afford them.
As for the Anti-car Party, aka the Greens, the silence from them in all this is deafening. These endless fare rises will do nothing to increase public transport use and decrease car use.
43

Bob 2,

05/07/2008 09:11:15
no 41

maybe FIRSTs fares in Edinburgh are the same, but move outwith LB operating area and you'll find that fares are much higher.

You can be travelling on the same FIRST BUS & ROUTE ..... you can travel 10 miles on part of the route for £1.10, travel the other and you'll find a 5min 1 mile journey will cost you a lot more than £1.10.

44

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/07/2008 19:41:47
Wait for the trams & the fare structure will change
45

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

09/07/2008 19:43:56
Reading a good book on the bus will help take the mind off the price hike. I recommend Dr Jeykll & Mr Hyde. I had to read it twice.

 

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