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City chiefs hear tram-train plan to get South Sub back on track



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Published Date: 07 May 2008
TRAM-TRAINS would run on Edinburgh's South Suburban rail line under plans to be considered by city leaders.
Officials have been asked to carry out a study into the possibility of running the hybrid trams from Newcraighall to Haymarket, where they would transfer to the city's new tram line out to Edinburgh Park.

The move represents a reprieve for the ail
ing South Sub project, after councillors yesterday rejected council officials' recommendations to rule out the project on cost and rail capacity grounds. Council-backed tram firm TIE today said it would be keen to get involved with the tram-train project, which could link in with plans for a third tram line in the south of the city.

A recent report by consultants Halcrow concluded that an electric/diesel powered tram-train service from east to west of the Capital would attract up to 1.5 million passengers a year, but require an annual £4.2m public subsidy.

Council officials will explore ways of funding this subsidy on a par with other rail services in Scotland, as well as investigating other rail options still open such as extending train services from Fife through Waverley and around the South Sub.

Tram-trains, which are already in use in Europe, are to be trialled in the UK for the first time in 2010. They will replace standard trains on the Penistone Line between Huddersfield, Barnsley and Sheffield for a two-year trial.

Willie Gallagher, executive chairman of TIE, said: "TIE would welcome any opportunity to get engaged in a city project on the development of a tram-train proposal for a future South Suburban line."

The city's Labour transport spokesman, Councillor Ricky Henderson, launched a successful motion calling for a cross-party commitment to the South Suburban at the transport committee yesterday.

He said: "All the political parties went into the last election with a commitment to work towards the reopening of the line, and it would have been disgraceful if this issue had become another broken promise."

E-Rail – a private company formed to fight for the re-opening of the South Sub – has already secured £8.5m from landowners along the route.

The money had been secured against the fact that properties along the line would be expected to increase in value by ten per cent.

Andrew Robb, general manager of E-Rail, said: "We are agnostic when it comes to the type of service, whether it is hard rail or tram-train, because the model we have put in place will apply to either mode of fixed transport.

"This was a very disappointing report from Halcrow and I am pleased that the outcome of the council meeting is that more work will be done on the South Sub."

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1

Bob 2,

07/05/2008 12:22:21
progress

so instead of getting on a train at Newcraighall and then off at Edinburgh Park,

Passengers will need to get off and then hopefully catch a Tram to Edinburgh Park.

Doesn't this defeat the whole purpose of the Cross Rail route

Progress or a step back, or could it be a ploy to get more people on the trams.

Interesting , wonder what FIRST Scotrail will make of this, as they already have a contract to supply this rail service.
2

allknowing,

07/05/2008 12:23:36
Whats a tram-train?

Why not just a train? or a tram?
3

CB,

Somewhere in the EU 07/05/2008 12:26:37
Common sense breaks out at last in the City Chambers. The South Sub only makes sense if it is integrated with other networks, the tram being the obvious fit.
4

Going down the pan..,

07/05/2008 12:45:57
Phil Wheeler wanted more buses just a few weeks ago!

Consistency has never been a strong point with the Lib Dems!
5

PaulB,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 13:17:09
First ScotRail have a contract to run the existing services. This would be a new service and could be put out to tender. Are we perhaps beginning to get some sense on this issue of integrated transport? Edinburgh needs the South Sub, and it also needs much improved links to the new ERI - now!
6

Andrew Kent,

EDINBURGH 07/05/2008 13:25:09
Lets not ruin another perfectly good idea by trying to link it with the trams fiasco. Lets keep the trains and trams separate.

One of the stated reasons for the trams was that their was not enough room for anymore buses on the streets. Now imagine what happens if they decide to build additional on street tram ways. Lots of trams with no space just like the buses. Keeping the South Suburban rail only would surely be useful to save space for any additional on street tram lines that (over my dead body) may be added at a later date.
7

Irn-Bruce,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 13:31:19
Bad reporting again, by the EN.

The whole point of a Tram-Train is that the roling stock (which essentially looks like a tram, but is able to use standard railway tracks and platform heights - when needed) would connect DIRECTLY at Haymarket. i.e. It would simply come off the South Sub, come off the railway at a set of points, and then join the tram line (and head west).

Passengers would not need to change at Haymarket.

And, as the "tram" line west of Haymarket isn't really a tram line at all (but largely an off-road light railway), these extra services would not take up road space (they would only do that if that ran from Haymarket to Leith).

Sounds like an excellent idea to me!
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07/05/2008 13:41:13
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Scallywag,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 14:14:33
#8 Given some peoples love of quoting the Simpsons monorail episode as the basis of all transport policy and planning, may I remind you that James Bond had a Lotus that doubled up as a submarine. If Q can to it then why not.

As for Andrew Kent he perefectly sums up the anti-tram arguments. On one hand the criticism is that they are infelxible, don't link well with other transport services and should ideally be off-road. But here we have a proposal that would makes the tram slightly more flexible, is trying to link it with other services and would create a significant off-road route. It would be more acceptable to some if there was a proposals to have people sitting on Cruise Missiles strapped to a bogey on the South Sub than mention the dreaded trams.

Get the tram-train going and take the tram off via a bridge at Cameron Toll to link in with the proposed alignment for line three and hey presto you are at the new Royal.

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07/05/2008 14:27:38
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Scallywag,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 15:25:47
Sellotape, the Simpsons thing wasn't directed at you. However now you mention it - what goes on in ties offices nobody knows. choo choo
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07/05/2008 15:44:30
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07/05/2008 16:28:51
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CRAGman,

07/05/2008 16:34:00
#1 - the Edinburgh Crossrail service will still continue to link Newcraighall and Brunstane with Waverley and Haymarket but, with the opening of the Airdrie-Bathgate service, will run to Fife via South Gyle to give a connection to west Edinburgh.
The South Sub. will link the likes of Morningside with Edinburgh Park (with a journey time of probably around 15 minutes by tram-train, 13 minutes by train)and could also, of course, run directly to the city centre via the railway or the tram tracks.
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Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 07/05/2008 23:43:58
Edinburgh could innovate for the UK and catch up with Europe here by out doing the feeble effort in Yorkshire and implementing European good practice...

What's so different about the UK - why a trial? The 'tram' bit (ie linking to sheffield city centre and meadowhall) is not confirmed as part of the 'trial' so its really a trial of tram on train lines to prove a concept that has been proved to work throughout Europe.

A tram-train in EDINBURGH would overcome one of the difficulties of Waverley as a commuter hub.
16

PeeBee,

Chippenham, Wilts 08/05/2008 13:38:14
Excellent news, I suggested this in a previous posting last year. What is a Tram-Train? Visit this URL for the answer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tram-train
17

Andrew,

15/05/2008 20:56:33
Deedle-dum-deedly-DING! Deedly-dum-deedly-DING!!
GET THE RAILWAY IN USE AGAIN FOR PASSENGER SERVICES!!
However, I'm not holding my breath! GASPPPPPPPPP!
18

Andrew,

15/05/2008 21:07:49
14! Furthermore, with a bid of imaginative timetabling
(with Airdrie-Bathgate) ELECTRIFY the South Sub' and trains from NORTH BERWICK (East Linton-Dunbar?) could come through Waverley, Haymarket, ROUND THE SUB (anti-clockwise) back to Waverley/Haymarket thence Edin' Park- Bathgate-Airdrie-Glasgow-Helensburgh & similarly - Helensburgh-Airdrie-Bathgate-Edin' Park-Waverley-South Sub (clockwise)-Haymarket/Waverley-North Berwick (East Linton-Dunbar?) ie ROLLING STOCK UTILISATION and reduced 'pathing' par excellence! HARDLY ROCKET SCIENCE!
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Andrew,

15/05/2008 21:12:04
18 FORGOT TO ADD. ie ONE train providing, in effect, THREE 'individual' but connected/integrated services!!!

 

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