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Commuters face more chaos as latest tram works begin



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Published Date: 31 March 2008
COMMUTERS faced more roadworks in the city today as the latest stage of tram related closures got under way.


Drivers found Constitution Street (pictured above) closed this morning and bus passengers arrived at their stops to find a "confusing" set of diversions had been implemented.

Traffic leading up to the foot of Leith Walk has already been severely disrupted in recent months due to roadworks.

This morning, traffic snaked down the routes, heavily bordered by cones, to be faced with further diversions down Duke Street or into Great Junction Street.

Traffic entering the diversion zone from the east was tailing back the length of Duke Street, but other traffic appeared relatively light.

Commuter Andrzej Benczes, 26, a call centre worker, was trying to make sense of the new bus routes this morning.

He said: "I don't really understand it, it shows on their map that there are various temporary bus stops in place but it doesn't really tally with what you can see on the street."

A Lothian Buses employee was on site at the foot of the Walk to help commuters, but even he was having trouble making sense of the new diversions.

A sign on the bus stop said the main diversions were not due to take place until Wednesday but the employee was unable to say what form these new diversions would take.

Local traders have already been reporting a downturn in trade because of the massive road works on Leith Walk and some have now been forced out of the area.

Dave Conquer, 44, proprietor of Premier Windscreens on Constitution Street said: "This closure is really going to affect us. We rely heavily on passing trade and during bad weather cars have to brought into the shop to be fixed. However, our drivers said that they didn't know where to go this morning. It was bad enough telling customers where to go at the best of times but now when you have to factor in the diversions it will be a nightmare.

"Time will tell in the next six months how bad it will be, but one of our neighbouring traders has already upped sticks and moved away because he said the trams would damage them so much."

One foot of the Walk newsagent who did not wish to be named said: "I reckon we're losing about 80 customers a day because of the roadworks and these latest closures can only make it worse."

Tram works have already caused extensive diversion to be put in place in the city, the most significant so far being the closure of Shandwick Place. But despite forecasts of upheaval, the work has gone relatively smoothly.

Constitution Street will be closed in sections to minimise inconvenience. It is expected to reopen later this year but in the longer term the plan is for it only to be used by trams and buses.





The full article contains 490 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

HughB,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 11:19:16
These "temporary" road closures are just the thin end of the wedge.

Just wait and see how they ban cars and all other traffic from the tram routes so they can say that the trams are an efficient and fast form of transport which beats congestion, while the congestion is even worse just a few streets away.

This is no way to destroy a city. They need to come clean and tell us which roads will be permanently closed just now, rather than people trying to take their normal routes and finding that they are no longer allowed to drive down some roads, even though they pay for these roads through taxation.
2

Mr H 2u,

Embra 31/03/2008 12:08:01
Nonsense #1. I've seen the light. Embra Toon Cooncil aren't a bunch of broon enveloped wasters. They are, in fact, visionaries, and I have to tip my hat to them.

Y'see, for many years now, I and many other folk, have been wandering around the foot of Easter Road, much like Moses in the desert, lost and bereft. Hair straggling, clothes ragged on our backs, moaning into the wind. But no more!

Finally, the truth has been revealed and much like the Almighty pointing East, the Cooncil and, presumably, their monkeys at TIE have seen fit to give us guidance. Because, they have placed two road signs at the bottom of Easter Road, pointing South, about fifty yards apart with an arrow and the words "London Road" on them. Finally!

No longer will motorists abandon their vehicles in despair, lost and alone in the wilderness of Leith. No! The path has been cleared. Especially as searching for Easter Road on multimap takes you to Easter Ord in Aberdeenshire. Really. And never mind that it's technically wrong, as following the arrow for the half a mile or so to the top (technically bottom) of the road will take you over East Norton Place, up the top bit of Easter Road, down Abbeymount, onto Abbeyhill and dump you at the roundabout outside the Diddy Parliament.

No, what matters is we have the signs. It's up to us to interpret them correctly, and I, for one, commend the Cooncil for their genius. I will be setting up a roadside rune reading booth forthwith to aid travellers in their quest for enlightenment, and look forward to seeing you.
3

Ronster,

edinburgh 31/03/2008 12:08:15
Well it's time to literally get on your bike !!!
4

Wangi,

Portobello 31/03/2008 12:10:18
"Traffic entering the diversion zone from the east was tailing back the length of Duke Street" - it was the same as any other morning. Traffic is routinely routinely backed up along Duke St all the way to the roundabout at the bottom of Easter Road.

Of course, on a bike there's no problem...
5

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 12:22:31
"Commuters face more chaos".... yawn. No more chaos than usual - only that doesn't make good headlines eh. Now all we need is a few stories about whining local businessmen pleading for taxpayers cash to line their pockets as "compo".... Its like that Groundhog Day film.
Does the EEN have a special computer that automatically spews out deranged rants about trams, the SNP, traffic wardens and politican's expenses whenever there is a slow news day????
6

Nectar,

Leaf 31/03/2008 12:34:41
#5 Well said.
Headline at the top: " Commuters face more chaos as latest tram works begin".
Text at the bottom: "But despite forecasts of upheaval, the work has gone relatively smoothly."


7

Heartfelt,

EDINBURGH 31/03/2008 12:47:40
Ah, the Leith Evening News strikes again. I guess that all the writers must live around Leith Walk/London Road/Pilrig areas as every slight change in these areas. Wait for "Shrubhill Corner Shop adds 10p to Loaf of Bread" exclusive soon.

Surely these rants are overstated anyway - I'm with #4 & #5 - if its that bad they could walk or cycle to Holyrood from there.
8

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 12:50:29
#6 yup - I know it doesn't make good copy, but I live off Leith Walk and the bizarre truth is that my journey to South Gyle every morning is actually now easier than when we didn't have roadworks! Of course, I realise that has to do a lot with congestion elsewhere and the way that the works are dispersing traffic, so would appreciate some people are not in as fortunate a position.
However ..... it certainly is not the chaos and hassle that this paper predicted. In fact, it has been a pleasant shock! I mean, local authorities getting road planning right - bizarre, totally bizarre!!
Anyone in comparison remember CETM under the last lot... now there was a lesson in rudderless chaotic organisation....
9

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 12:54:50
Haven't we heard the saying, you can't make omelette's without breaking eggs?

I find all these 'we're doomed' stories quite pathetic. So some streets are blocked off and buses redirected, so what?

So we have a little inconvenience for a few months, so what? The decision to have the trams has been taken, let's stop bleating and get on with it.
10

Bob 2,

31/03/2008 12:55:26
what congestion......from reports, the West End Closures have had little effect on Vehicle movements, some people are saying there bus journey is actually quicker
11

Slasher McGurk,

31/03/2008 12:57:36
What a suprise, road works associated with the tram scheme, what a suprise, people are not happy. What a suprise people even comment on this still. Is anybody getting bored of the tram story yet.
12

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 13:09:17
Interesting that the BBC Website has a story saying that shops in Shandwick Place are reporting takings down 25%-50% since it was blocked up yet the EN does not run with it. These are the real casualities - c.1 year of roadworks with revenues down by those percentages and very few shops will be left in these areas.
13

PaulB,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 13:32:23
What chaos? - my commute to work up Leith Walk to the west end is quicker now than previously. The road works have been managed very well. The real problem is the lack of crossing points for pedestrians eg Princes Street or anywhere down Leith Walk. Sure someone is going to get killed there soon.
14

Statsman,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 13:38:32
12 GraemeH

The shops in Shandwick place are deserted. It used to be a struggle to get served in Somerfield. Now there's about three times as many staff as customers. The shop must be losing money in a big way. I fail to see how many businesses on that stretch of road can be financially viable.
15

Statsman,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 13:39:49
A link to the story the EEN won't run because of its pro-tram and pro-TIE take on Edinburgh:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7305032.stm
16

Annoyingboi,

Emptybra 31/03/2008 13:46:35
Just the beginning of the monstrous waste of time and money. And the losers? The people of Edinburgh.
17

Statsman,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 13:54:10
All the green fools on this thread need to understand traffic is lighter because people are staying away. This might seem to be a good thing if you view the world through the prism of eco-mentalism. However, it isn't a good thing if you own a business in these areas.

If a business goes to the wall then people lose their jobs. The community loses shops. People go bankrupt.

Why is that a good thing eco-mentalists?
18

Rod,

Champfleurie 31/03/2008 14:14:18
#6 #5 Well said.

Agreed. I spend last Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday in Dublin specifically to examine their tram service which will be very similar to the Edinburgh one. I spoke with staff, members of the public and shopkeepers. The shopkeepers adjacent to the St Stephen's terminus said that trade had blossomed with the introduction of the tram. Others in other areas of the city painted a similar picture. The trams I travelled on at various times of the day were always fairly busy and members of the public I spoke to were generally supportive of them - even some who had initially opposed the idea. Motor vehicles appeared to co-exist in harmony with trams. My Dublin experience and a previous encounter with the Manchester system were sufficient to convince me that the Edinburgh route-an-a-half cannot come too quickly.
Ding ding, woosh woosh.
19

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 31/03/2008 14:14:47
Well drivers do have something to complain about
Road works on
Ferry Road
Constitution Street
Hermitage Place
Leith Walk

Now that is a joined up approach by Edinburgh Foolicors.
20

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 14:17:20
#17 - There may be some pain in the short-term but the long term benefits to businesses bordering the tram routes are clear and proven. Any other argument is nonsense - look at the massive growth and regeneration bordering the Manchester tram.
I would also contend that many of the businesses whining about dropping sales etc are just cynically trying to grab more compo from the taxes that we all pay. I mean - a certain Leith Walk caterer (hen nights a speciality) bleating that he was down £10k a week.. in January. People don't eat is restaurants in January eh? No s*!t sherlock....
21

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 31/03/2008 14:18:42
# 18.

You seroiusly want people to beleive that you went to Dublin to travel on a tram to see what it would be like. You conducted all this supposed research on trams in dublin by speaking to people and shop owners. Just to ease your mind in what Edinburgh Foolicors were doing. Me thinks you've been at the sherry again mate.
22

Sherry Smith,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 14:20:32
who voted for these trams anyway? - who authorised this sort of expenditure (nearly £500m) - it certainly wasn't the taxpayer/council tax payer? how much more of our money are they going to waste?? they would be as well building another castle coz it seems its all in aid for the tourist...... we're going backwards instead of forwards and it doesnt even go to the airport !!
23

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

31/03/2008 14:22:14
Oh give it a break , please.

Please.

Moan Moan Moan Moan Moan.
24

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

31/03/2008 14:23:23
Youve got at least 3 more years of these reports to complain about and keep moaning about.
25

Scallywag,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 14:23:28
Still trying to get someone to tell my why if the Tram works are such a nightmare for Shandwick place why did Pickwicks close before the works started and Holland & Barrent take over, refit and then re-open the shop right in the middle of the tram works.

A Windscreeen repair business that relies on passing trade on Constitution Street - Come off it!!!

From the BBC link the Pizza guys says one customer gave up because Shandwick Place was closed. Question? where was this guy going to park normally. Most of the surrounding streets are still accessible. Just a poor excuse, laziness and lack of loyalty to the restauranteur.

Baguette shop was queued out the door the other lunchtime when I passed.

Fabiano Leather shop, they have more sales than DFS tram works or not.

Fast Frame - total rip off.

As I have said before given that some people don't trust tie etc then why do they simply believe every single utternace from local businesses who would blame a passing botty cough for any down turn in trade rather than admit they have a poor product.

I'm sure the tram is affecting the businesses to some degree but in other circumstances these guys are only to keen to tell us what wonderful business men they are and what a favour they are doing us all by being amongst us. Well lets see what you have got instead of crying over spilt milk.
26

Statsman,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 14:26:37
20 Chris.J

Manchester tram? You mean the replacement for the Manchester-Bury railway? This project is not the same.

The Manchester tram replaced a railway. This tram service is going to replace a bus, halve the number of stops and do away with numerous bus services.

In short, the Edinburgh tram is going to make it LESS convenient to travel by public transport.

You Marxist Greens are short sighted and narrow minded. You think all these projects have to be supported because they espouse your principles.

The reality is that projects have to provide something extra and provide value for money. Replacing the 22 bus with a tram doesn't do that.
27

lavvyhead,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 14:27:31
#9 well said the decison has been made stop moaning believe me when the trams are up and running no one will remember the pain just like giving birth
28

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 14:47:07
#27.. So the opposite of being opinionated ignorant boor is a "marxist green" eh? I can reassure you - and my stockbroking customers - that I won't be trying to take anything into collective ownership...
The Manchester tram actually branches to Alrincham and Eccles too, has stretches of onstreet running, services the city and the suburbs, had orginal building costs roughly in line with what we're paying in Edinburgh and has massive massive support locally - because the residents of Manchester know the benefits and are not as blinkered as you.
29

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31/03/2008 14:48:52
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Reason:
30

Statsman,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 15:35:54
29 Chris.J

So you are admitting this tram scheme is nothing like the one in Manchester?

Will you admit you simply used the Manchester example knowing that it was the only successful tram scheme in the whole of the UK (simply because it replaced a train line)? You could have brought up failures like Sheffield that have wasted vast amounts of public money and chose not to.

All future tram schemes in England were cancelled by Edinburgh MP Alistair Darling because they were found to be a waste of money. You didn't mention that either.

Yet you call me 'blinkered'?
31

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 15:48:18
#32 - what, Alistair Darling the formidable intellectual and master tactician that presided over the first bank run since the Victorian era. You're citing his long-term ineptitiude as authority for dismissing all tram schemes as a waste of money?
32

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

31/03/2008 15:50:34
32 Thats rubbish.

Only Leeds and London West were cancelled.
33

Statsman,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 15:54:55
34 The Genuine Mario Antoinette

So which tram schemes were not cancelled after the announcement?
34

Statsman,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 15:58:39
33 Chris.J

No I am citing it as a valid reason to dismiss this tram scheme as a waste of money. It is based on the tram replacing bus model that failed in Sheffield.

Some schemes, like the Manchester example, make sense.
35

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 16:01:30
Well.... hate to sound like a stuck record but .....
The Manchester expansion was revived and is currently being built. Actually that was a particular blinder of Darling's - millions had been spent on compulsory purchases and clearing the route and THEN he tried to pull the plug. 30,000 people of all political persuasion demonstrated in the city centre to get the scheme revived.
BTW - the south of that city has gridlock with buses as a contributory factor - do we really want to wait until we're in that position before we do anything?
36

Statsman,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 16:07:28
37 Chris.J

I can think of better ways of spending £600m+ than a scheme that is only going to cut congestion by 1% - an optimistic figure produced by TIE!

You are saying there are lots of reasons for improvements in public transport. I agree, there are. This tram scheme isn't the answer though. It was ill conceived and pushed through by people that know every little about public transport but everything there is to know about massaging their own egos.
37

Statsman,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 16:16:28
Oops every = very.
38

Statsman,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 16:24:55
26 Scallywag

Have you clocked off from your job in the council PR department?
39

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

31/03/2008 16:44:53
You know what statsman, if you want to be right you can be right. well done. we'll just wait until all this bleating finally ends.
40

Rod,

Champfleurie Estate 31/03/2008 17:12:21
#21 I did exactly what I said I did. Outbound Tuesday on the 1050 Lingus and back on the Thursday 1900 service. I also spent some time examining the Manchester system in May 2007, a system whose rolling stock is different to what will be used in Edinburgh. I also recall travelling on the tram system that operated in Edinburgh through the 40s and 50s.
I can now form my views from personal experience rather than resort to the ill-informed slaverings that others seem so keen on. Woosh woosh.
41

Scallywag,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 17:32:15
#40 Still working away like a good un.
You seem to be making a habit of getting things wrong today.
I've said before that I have some issues with the tram but the whole point is that the decisions have been made and its coming like it or not. All this current stuff is just mindless whinging. You rightly point out that the figures don't appear to match up re the congestion issue, however thats been done and dusted - like it or not. These current articles are nothing but column fillers to get some people's blood boiling. Its a bit like the footy, the ref isn't going to change his mind and award you a penatly kick regardless how much you moan. Plus do you really want to align yourself with folk like Sherry @22 who it seems like the tram is a bolt from the blue.

Drivel drivel moan moan.
42

Euan,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 17:41:36
#41, Mario

Come on!, you love all the 'bleating' about the trams, you probably post more than anybody on the subject!

Let's face it, this whole project is a nothing but a good, hard kick in the stones to Edinburgh residents and to the rest of Scotland. £600 million+ for a next-to-useless, congestion-creating tourist attraction? - a waste of money on a grand scale.

This money-gulping monstrosity should have the rug pulled from beneath it's feet with immediate effect and SCRAPPED.






43

Statsman,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 17:48:49
43 Scallywag

So your argument is basically "This project may be completely stupid, but it's being built anyway so get used to it".

That argument would only be valid if there was infinite money available to finish the project. There isn't.

TIE delivered the Stirling - Alloa - Kincardine line massively over budget and massively behind time. It is entirely possible that this project is going to run out of money as no more funding than the capped £500m is available.

Tram projects go massively over budget - look at Croydon. TIE projects go massively over budget.

This debate will continue because there is every chance the project will have to be abandoned due to lack of funds.

It isn't over. Get used to the debate.
44

Euan,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 18:01:03
#45

Bloody well said.

45

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 31/03/2008 18:32:56
>22 Sherry
"who voted for these trams anyway?"

The Scottish Parliament on behalf of 'the people'.

"who authorised this sort of expenditure"

The Scottish Parliament on behalf of 'the people'.

"it doesnt even go to the airport !!"

Instead of ranting I suggest you do some checking, after which you will discover it WILL go to the airport. The onward section from the airport to Newbridge was posponed.
46

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 31/03/2008 18:45:58
>42 Rod
Well put. It is constantly being shouted by many in these forums that nobody wants trams. A palpable nonsense! Most of my staff are looking forward to Edinburgh's trams as are many employees of my business associates.
Your point about Dublin is well made. The shopkeepers in Grafton Street will readily agree that the tram terminus at the top end the street has resulted in greatly increased business compared tppre-tram days.
I generally do not use public transport but did use the Dublin system on one of my quarterly visits. One terminus is just round the corner from The Gresham on O'Connell Street and I took the tram as far as the St James area. I was impressed enough to consider using the Edinburgh system on my journeying to and from the airport. It will be a novelty to use my Scottish Concessionary Travel Pass which has lain unused since issue.
47

Euan,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 19:22:13
#48

I have not met one, not ONE person who is in favour of this tram project.

Trust me, the staff that you say are 'looking forward' to the tram line are very much in the minority I would say..
48

Gogzy,

31/03/2008 19:33:00
these works are only removing 19 buses off of edinburghs streets, 500 million to remove 19 buses? a waste of money, theres less congestion havign 19 buses on thwe road than a tram system that gets the right of way everywhere.
49

piper,

31/03/2008 19:43:56
the road works on ferry road what a joke there were road works there at the begining of the year isnt it about time the utility companies got together and formed some sort of schedule wherby they can all work together i,e not digging the same hole twice
50

Rodger the Leith lodger,

edinburgh 31/03/2008 20:53:27
?
51

Rodger the Leith lodger,

edinburgh 31/03/2008 20:57:06
What? (#40) Well Euan Edinburgh, absolutely everyone in Leith that I have talked to are looking forward to the trams.

Oh, and I've heard that kids are asking about how they will get to work in the future when bus companies (even award winning excellent ones)can't find or afford to buy diesel to rum a business anymore.
52

Heartfelt,

EDINBURGH 31/03/2008 22:14:27
Whats all this about? Are there to be trams in Edinburgh? Someone might have said something......
53

Londonroadguy,

nearby 31/03/2008 22:25:07
#53.Exactly.I can't wait till they build an extension along my street that connects me to the Airport/ocean terminal/Musselburgh or even the new Royal infirmary.
It might take a while but no large network was built at once!Roll on the trams.
54

Rod,

Champfleurie Estate 31/03/2008 22:36:22
#54 Heartfelt.

You might soon discover that you tread a dangeous path.
;-)
55

Scallywag,

Edinburgh 31/03/2008 23:27:17
Statesman

Thats the way of the world. We all moan thinking we are going to make a change but in fact we are powerless so just enjoy the ride. As I have said before on these posts, if there are supposidly no one in the city who wants these trams where has the anti-tram march been. Not one, not a single display of public outrage.

Maybe it will get dropped if there are lack of funds, (highly unlikely as they will get the one line built) but it won't be because anything you are doing.

Did you object when you had the chance, lobby your MP, MSP Councillor etc etc. - Probably not.

As for Stirling to Alloa I happened to need to get information on that project a few years back and the two councils involved were taking it no-where and seemed to be running round in circles for a long while with little happening. Clackmannan appointed tie and others and at least things have got moving. Are you saying Clack are as useless as Edinburgh cooncil? If so what cooncil is a beacon in this dark world of ours?
56

Statsman,

Edinburgh 01/04/2008 02:15:34
57 Scallywag

I was highlighting TIE's track record, not any particular council's.

You seem to be sure line one will get built. Why? Is there something you know about there being no possibility of overspend exceeding the contingency budget?

This is, after all, the same TIE that forgot to factor in inflation in their initial project cost estimates.

That's a whole lot of trust you are placing in them.
57

Julian,

EDINBURGH 01/04/2008 02:37:53
Euan,

Funny isn't it. I've just read the last 10 posters on this page and at least 3 of them are pro-tram. And of all the people I have discussed the trams with, roughly half are in favour and half think it's a waste of money. In fact, I just spoke to a retired couple today who were looking forward to seeing the trams come back.

But yet you do not know anyone in favour and, don't tell me, all the people you know are strongly against it. What sort of circle of friends do you have? Bus drivers and taxi drivers afraid they're going to be out of a job?
58

an interested party,

01/04/2008 08:08:14
got to love the 'all the people i spoke to' arguments on this

what's was the survey size ?
the demograph?
the question asked?

or are you 'bigging' yerself up as some peoples representatives that speak to the whole of the city every day?

my guess is a social outcast that claims the voices in their heads are representative of the population

all of the people i spoke to agree with me

lol
59

me150,

01/04/2008 10:56:26
All for the good.

What an improvement there will be in Edinburgh once this is done.

All you moaners will still continue to complain even when things are better. After all where would you l;ot be if you had nothing to moan about.

After a while something else will come along for you to focus your short attention span on.
60

Julian,

EDINBURGH 01/04/2008 16:31:09
#60 and #61

Come on guys, follow the argument. I wasn't claiming my survey of the people I spoke to was representative. It was merely a rebuff to the usual guff which comes from our friend Euan.

In this case, that guff was in the form of a claim that he's never met anyone in favour of the trams. AYE RIGHT!!!!!




61

Julian,

EDINBURGH 01/04/2008 16:32:43
Euan,

oops, there goes another one (#62)

Or are all these people supporting the trams just politicians in disguise?

 

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