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Published Date: 19 June 2009
TRANSPORT leaders in Edinburgh have been accused of using "propaganda" tactics to promote the controversial trams project to primary pupils via a £10,000 baseball caps giveaway.
Pupils are also being given activity packs which describe the trams as "exciting" and encourage them to become "tramformers" and be able to promote the scheme to their fellow pupils after visiting construction sites.

Officials at the city counci
l and its tram company have joined forces to run special tram classes and assemblies at schools along the route of the £545 million network.

Pupils are given a history lesson about the city's old trams, their withdrawal from service in the 1950s and planned introduction in 2011. They are also warned of the dangers of playing on or near construction sites.

Among the key messages in material obtained by The Scotsman are that "cars and buses give out smelly fumes which are bad for the environment". A picture of a dangerously overcrowded bus in the sub-continent is used to illustrate the need for trams to be introduced in Edinburgh.

Around 5,000 baseball caps carrying the Edinburgh Trams logo, costing £2 each, have been ordered by the city council and TIE – the council's tram firm – for the giveaway, which has been defended on the grounds that it would help pupils develop more interest in the trams.

Although it has been left to the discretion of headteachers as to whether the "tram classes" are allowed, it is understood most have been given the green light.

Mike Connelly, stakeholder manager with TIE, said: "We are basically running classes in schools along the tram route, mainly about enforcing safety messages, but also explaining a bit about the tram project.

"They are mainly for primary five and six pupils, although we are also going back to schools to give them short presentations on the trams, explaining why they are being introduced and what they will look like.

"We're doing this along the likes of the old Tufty Club which promoted road safety. We know kids like to wear baseball caps and we've been giving them away to try to get them interested. None of these classes are happening without the approval of headteachers, and all the material has been approved for use by the council."

But the council's deputy leader, SNP councillor Steve Cardownie, whose party opposes the trams, said: "It does smack of a propaganda exercise.

"It's a bit of a cynical way to try to get through to these youngsters. The tram people obviously think they will be able to promote the virtues of the scheme if they have children running about wearing these caps."

Debbie Douglas, whose daughter Shannon attends Royal Mile Primary, said: "This is child exploitation. These pupils are being used as cheap advertising fodder to try to promote the trams. I couldn't believe this when I heard about it."

Gordon Mackenzie, the council's transport leader, said: "In order to reinforce educational, environmental and safety messages about the tram it is entirely appropriate to spend a modest amount of money promoting the project.

"It's a really good idea to present health and safety material about worksites to our children, as well as presenting them with information about one of the biggest projects being delivered in Edinburgh today."





The full article contains 556 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

truthsleuth,

19/06/2009 00:47:28
Whereas it would be better if advertising did not exist the fact is it does.

#Why shouldn't TIE advertise the trams.
bus companies and rail companies advertise.

but none of the above advertise on the scale of the airline and car industry.
2

Deeside,

19/06/2009 01:31:16
Not surprising that Cllr Cowdonie has chosen to make cheap political mileage out of kids - it's not the tram bosses who are exploiting these children, its Cllr Cowdonie who's using them to score cheap political points!

The SNP doesn't seem to have any problem allowing the army to go into our schools and lure youngsters into joining up so that they can be sent away to war and get themselves killed yet they object to young children being taught safety messages and local history.....

3

Davy,

19/06/2009 01:40:14
Health and safety = control + oppress, with mindless boring individuals on a power trip in charge.
Health and safety = hidden police at the work place
Health and safety = stress + a tell tale society
Commonsense, Health and safety, went out the window when the money men realized they could make a fortune out of it.
4

Trams shams,

19/06/2009 06:58:03
#3 What are you talking about? Have you posted on the wrong page?
5

bluehead,

edinburgh 19/06/2009 07:03:54
the people responsible for the maniacal tram system should be boiled in oil for wasting all that money on a transport system when there was a first class bus service already in place,
to crown it all the bus service is now showing signs of deteriorating through all the upheaval
the money could have been spent on schools and things that were much more important,however that is the sensible thing to have done so obviously that will be the thing that won't be done
that s how it goes in Edinburgh these days
6

Hmm ...,

19/06/2009 08:14:45
... sounds like another cynical attempt to justify this vanity project that a lot of people are making a lot of money out of.

But why do schools not first teach kids to read and write? That would be far more to the point than trying to brainwash them, Communist style.

Sorry, I forgot - the City Council is awash with Trotskyist officials.
7

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 08:34:16
This is political indoctrination of children. "cars and buses give out smelly fumes which are bad for the environment", accompanied by a picture of a dangerously overcrowded bus in the 'sub-continent'??
Even by TIE's own figures the reduction in 'pollution' at street level was claimed at 1-2%, with 'congestion' much the same. The subliminal message given by a racist stereotype message of a 'bus in the Subcontinent' (presume they mean India/Pakistan?) is that if Embra doesn't go all happy-clappy tramcars, we'll end up the same way?
8

Padraig,

19/06/2009 08:43:44
This is not only a desperate effort to get acceptance of the trams, it is an insidious use of propaganda to brainwash the young and I am appalled that head teachers seem to be supporting it.

We desperately need a change of approach in the City Council and that seems to be achievable only by changing both Councillors and officials. Vote for whoever will bite that bullet!
9

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 08:56:43
I can't see anything wrong at all in TIE promoting Trams and an overall green & sustainable transport strategy to the young.

We all know that trams will improve the city out of all recognition, with reductions in car usage.

I don't think that CEC & TIE have gone far enough in my opinion, I think they should positively reinforce the concept of green transport.

What would the moaner on this forum prefer to see ?

Major Oil,motor companies in the schools promoting the motor car to our young ??????

I look forward to a care free Edinburgh, where Trams & Cycling are the ONLY options.

We all know that "Car free is care free"

BAN THE CAR
10

Jim Harkins,

Warrington 19/06/2009 09:12:47
What a cheap and nasty swipe at the tram re schools program which you are scurrilously calling propaganda

This is a standard light rail practice when new systems are being built and good practice which should be praised. The most vulnerable are the school children, so it is good social sense to use traditional modern methods that are known to work elsewhere to get the safety & user message over, the money spent is extremely good value if no children are injured and killed. Mr Ferguson, your anti tram stance shows that you are not aware of the bigger picture or a callous disregard of reality. A report out this month shows that children on the school run and main streets where the internal combustion engine rules, have only 80% of lung capacity caused by tail pipe emissions of PM10 and other nasty nox & soxes into our streets at child level. Your Luddite mentality diminishes the great standing of your paper, equated to the Times. Will you be advocating next putting children up chimneys next
An enlightened ex pat
11

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 19/06/2009 09:31:05
I don`t believe any of the children will be using trams to go to school. Unless of course tram travel is to be free for school children?
12

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 09:36:10
I posted on this outrage about ten days ago ....

TIE knows it has lost the battle for the hearts and minds of the people of Edinburgh because anyone can see that this disgraceful, corrupt, expensive white elephant project is a complete waste of taxpayers money on an industrial scale. Not even mentioning the small business that can no longer trade and hardworking people having to spend an extra hour away from their families every day owing to the delays.

TIE have now turned 'nasty' in their tactics and are going for 'soft' targets. They are selling the 'sizzle' to the kids without telling them there is a big lardy excrement sausage that will clog the arteries of Edinburgh that everyone has to pay for and everyone has to take a bite.

This feeding of propaganda to innocent minded school children who don't know that the message they are being fed merely suits a perverse and corrupt government agenda (and profit making companies behind the backward trams) in their quest to brainwash their ridiculous schemes into the 'norm' ...

Scotland is no better than communist China or North Korea when things like this are allowed.

It is nothing short of perverted and smacks of totalitarianism. How dare they pollute our children with their nonsense, waste and lies ....
13

Leila,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 09:52:42
My daughter was given one of the TIE baseball caps - it was too small.

The kids aren't as naive as TIE seem to think - they're learning about the power of marketing/propaganda too.
14

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 10:02:13
9:- Major oil companies nor even the local garage were ever allowed into my school to promote' anything ! ... Why should the climate terrorists and anti car militants be allowed to spout their misguided take on life ?!

Here is the 'inconvenient truth' for all the climate terrorists.

30 years ago there was widespread panic and 'scientific' evidence that the planet was cooling rapidly. Thousands of Scientists predicated an mini ice age .... this turned out to be short term hysteria ... as global warming is today ... we will look back in 30 years and understand that 'global warming' was nothing more than a tax grab by various governments and a power grap by totalitarian anti freedom climate militants.

CO2 levels do have a correlation with temperature on earth but the correlation is some 800 YEARS behind the temperature fluctuation. The largest producer of CO2 by miles are the oceans - man made CO2 is insignificant - even today - with the levels of CO2 produced by Nature - even Volcanoes alone produce more !!!

The co-founder of Greenpeace was so disgusted with the movements blind following of the CO2 lie, and other unfounded increasingly militant political activities, he resigned - he would no longer put his name to the blatant dishonesty. Many scientists know of the CO2 lie and have spoken out against it only to be shouted down by politicians who allegedly know more about it than the scientists do now !

The temperatures of MARS and VENUS are rising as well as that of Earth - it seems that the climate militants ignore this 'inconvenient truth' as it does not suit the anti-freedom and taxing of freedom agendas they peddle with such vigour. It is also an irrefutable scientific fact that for as long as the planet has been getting warmer and colder throughout the ages it is a DIRECT and IMMEDIATE effect of our suns activity - not CO2. (this would explain the mars and venus issue) ...

Unless we can change the activity levels in our sun we cannot change the
15

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 10:03:00
Cont:-

Unless we can change the activity levels in our sun we cannot change the climate on earth - end of story. The next time you hear the climate junkies spouting their CO2 nonsense just laugh at them .. because they either fools or liars and their agenda is not to save the planet but to gain power .....
16

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 10:19:37
Leila (13) - you have to laugh!

TIE give out caps 3 years before the trams will be running and which are too small to fit their target customers.

Not sure what TIE are trying to achieve with this tactic but their implementation seems incompetent.
17

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 10:20:30
Voldemort what utter Tosh !!!

The evidence is overwhelming.

You carry on with your "head in the sand" thinking, however the damage that this sort of thinking does is irreparable, and I get sooo angry when I think that me and my kids will have their planet and lives destroyed by you moronism.

I think the time is coming closer that radical actiuon will have to be taken, if the enlightened amongst us are not to be dragged down into extinction by the morons..........

ECO ACTION, time for the intelligent amongst us to stop this fossil fueled madness, actiuons of those such as "PLANE STUPID" will escalate until the scourge of fossil fuels is eliminate from the face of the earth.
18

Skip McClendon,

19/06/2009 10:22:51
Schools are supposed to be a place of learning, that should not be a place for anyone to market their product to kids.

Mind you, this could be part of CEC's integrated school closure / tram filling drive. CEC are doing such a good job of bankrupting the City and closing schools as a result, that soon they will be shoving homeless school classes into trams to give them somewhere to study and to make the trams appear well-used.
19

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 10:26:33
Another little morsel of info that really gets to the climate vultures is that it was Margaret Thatcher who first funded research into CO2.

Mrs Thatchers people were the first to see the correlation between CO2 and temperature - they DELIBERATELY withheld the 800 year lag data because it did not suit their agenda at the time.

Mrs Thatcher knew that if she could 'prove' that CO2 'caused' climate change she had carte blanche to shut down/sideline coal fired power stations (the miners were causing horrific problems at the time) and embark on a strong nuclear program.

It was a good strategy but based on manipulation of the truth ... but no new nuclear power stations were built. Lately because of the EU's interference. Britain can no longer build the energy infrastructure it wants or needs because Brussels won't let us !

Infact CO2 is an irrefutable byproduct of climate change as discussed in 14 &15 .... but our militant climate junkies and our brainwashed and power hungry politicians will not tell the truth - because the truth takes power away from them and back to the people !


20

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 10:26:48
#18 This is education.

Only by giving an alternative view to that promoted by the fat profit bloated oil companies, has the future of the human race and the whole planet any positive chance.

What is wrong with letting our youngsters know that there is another way to live, a greener, sustainable way, not reliant on the consumerism ?

This is probabaly one of the finest examples of education I can think of

21

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 10:28:31
#19 Lies and vile corruptions of the truth, propaganda at the most venal level.

I can only guess you work for the oil obsessed
22

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 10:29:10
Head in the sand , lemming thinking
23

Skip McClendon,

19/06/2009 10:30:09
#20

No problem with environmental education. Big problem with individual companies touting their product to kids in schools.

If handing out branded promotional material to primary school kids is one of the finest examples of education you can think of, then that is extremely worrying.
24

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 10:38:15
17:- I have put out my case - it is water tight iron clad and you know it (that is if you know anything about the subject) ... All you do is scream your lies louder and hope that this makes you right !

There is no remark you can make regarding CO2 and climate change that I cannot refute and scientifically prove in correct or misleading ....

You are either part of the lie or you have been brainwashed (like our poor kids in school are being now) by those who are part of the lie. Check your data, check your sources and come back to me - I can absolutely guarantee you I can shoot down every one of these liars !

The truth is very difficult to beat.

Try me !
25

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 10:56:05
21:- No I don't work for oil or big business. I have a small successful very eco-friendly company as I don't believe unnecessary pollution but also don't believe in white elephant projects that claim to increase safety and reduce pollution when clearly they are just cash cows for those in power! - I put my money where my mouth is .. We have numerous awards and hold four World records four our 'green' achievements - none of them have received a penny of taxpayers money.

CO2 is not a pollutant it is a natural gas and cars are 'greener' now than they have ever been. I reject your call to 'ban all cars' it tells people alot about your frame of mind, your lack of common sense or your grip on reality.

The tram project will arguably (not proven) save a few tens of tonnes of CO2 emmissions every year ... that is less that the population will breath out in a hour ! £600 million for this, clogging up the roads, brainwashing our children ....

Sorry - I don't think this worth it and it is blatantly anti democratic .... £600 million could have gone to MUCH better use and everyone - except from our sham tram fans (who probably work for TIE to spout their propaganda here!) seems to know it !

26

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 10:58:19
22:- You have described yourself perfectly !
27

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 11:02:39
So, we have a world expert in global warming in our midst ?

I don't think so.

Why don't you listen to reason rather than coming on here and presenting yourself as a BOGUS expert ?
28

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 11:08:15
I repeat I don't see anything wrong in redressing the balance, and reversing the brainwashing our children have received over the years by the fossil fueled obsessed fat cats.

More power to TIE & CEC

We see that this council has embraced Green & sustainable projects and all the moronic whingers can do is moan, rather than appluad them for their vision.

I look forward to the day when ONLY Bicycles and Trams are allowed on the streets of Edinburgh

29

Skip McClendon,

19/06/2009 11:11:48
#28

Not sure how much time you have spent in schools recently (personally, I have spent a fair bit), but I have to tell you that Esso, Shell, Ford and Volkswagen are not in there, handing out branded products and urging kids to use their products.

As I said, no problem at all with environmental education, but big problem with individual companies marketing their own product, whatever it is, to school children through the use of branded promotional materials and associated literature.
30

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 11:14:16
It's NOT marketing, it's EDUCATION
31

Skip McClendon,

19/06/2009 11:16:35
#30

No, it's marketing.
32

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 11:18:06
I think if you look closely at many educational materials, wallcharts etc, they often have a very direct association with "BIG BUSINESS", and as such are an insidious form of brainwashing of our young to buy into consumerism
33

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 11:19:31
Rubbish, utter tosh & balderdash
34

Skip McClendon,

19/06/2009 11:22:58
If it was education, they would be providing materials supporting environmental education without touting a particular product (Edinburgh Trams) off the back of it. If it is all about educating kids, and supporting them in making informed choices later in life, you just need to provide information and allow them to make their own minds up. By handing out promotional materials branded to encourage use of a particular product, it's marketing pure and simple.

And, exactly what is "educational" about a baseball cap carrying a logo for an individual product?
35

plord,

edinburgh 19/06/2009 11:25:02
10K for the caps is the cheap part, no doubt a council funded team are to visit the schools to get the message out, with the usual team leader and impact assessment and all the other required gobbledygook. WTF is a stakeholder manager and how much do we pay for one?
The kids are the only people they can target as anyone over ten would see through the bogus information put out by TIE.
Too late to stop the tram but I think this rag would do better to put a list of all the politicians and their decisions in a timeline so we can punish them at the next election.
36

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 11:25:40
There were I am sure important health & safety iussues discussed also.

You have an objections to ,not only giving our children a good education, but also ensuring their wellbeing ?
37

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 11:28:09
#35 you mean plaudit for their vision and reward for overcoming moronic and myopic moaners.
We all know that some people have difficulty with change, that is why children are so wonnderful. They can see the sense of something without being hidebound by vested interests and old fashioned thinking
38

Skip McClendon,

19/06/2009 11:32:59
#37

Children are wonderful. They can make their own minds up when provided with unbiased information and supported by their teachers and parents. Branded baseball caps add nothing to this process, except a bad taste in the mouth.
39

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 11:34:21
#38 exactly my point, you only seem to object because this is associated with "Green" issues.
Neanderthal thinking

40

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 11:35:31
or worse, double standards ?

I think that with your "fixed & rigid" way of thinking, you may not be best placed to allow children to "free think".
41

Skip McClendon,

19/06/2009 11:39:03
#39

What on earth are you on about?

I have made clear that I support environmental education, but not the marketing of individual products to children.

It seems to be you who are stuck in your ways, with blinkers on.
42

Skip McClendon,

19/06/2009 11:40:58
...incidentally, I would also object to anyone promoting any other individual product in schools. All products, of all types - including your hated cars, etc.

Schools are places of learning, not convenient marketing centres for lazy companies with vested interests.
43

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 11:46:09
This is "learning"

it covered , green issues/history & health & safety

I've lost patience with this, you are patntly just NOT listening
44

Skip McClendon,

19/06/2009 11:47:43
#43

And product branding, subliminal advertising...
45

roadstohell,

19/06/2009 12:36:03
#45 No I don't agree.

I do NOT agree with your myopic analysis

The Trams will , I hope, be only the first step to making Edinburgh a "model" city of the 21st century.
I am convinced that the citizens of the future will look back and applaud the vision of TIE & CEC, and think themselves blessed to have inherited such a wonderful integrated,green and sustainable solution.

Why oh why, do you not see this ?

Along with the enlightened and forward thinking vision on energy & transport issues of the SNP, I see the next phase in Scotlands devlopment as a golden one, one that will make the Scottish oil period seem like a very ,very damp squib indeed.
46

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 13:07:47
#46 - Why oh why, does no-one else see things like Roadstohell, everybody's out of step but you! Couldn't put it any better than the immortal words of Jeremy Clarkson,(allegedly) to some bicycling eco-fascist - 'Get a car, you hatchet
faced, leaf-eating Nazi'.
47

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 14:32:54
27:-

That is not and answer - actually I am an expert in Global Warming my specialty is analyzing what role the worlds oceans have in it all - that is why I asked you to put forward your 'case' ...

You have simply failed to do so and hope that you baseless hysterical screams are regarded as truth if you shout them louder than anyone else ! .... I suspect you know absolutely NOTHING about global warming but lets put that to the test ....

1: Do you think that CO2 is a major greenhouse gas ?
2: What holds more heat - CO2 or water vapour ?
3: What is the change in CO2 % at whole in the Atmosphere over the last 300 years and do you think that todays CO2 levels are the highest in history?
4:- What Produces more CO2; The Oceans, Volcanoes, Respiration and flatulence of living creatues or ALL of the man-made CO2 industries and inventions (cars, trains, planes the lot !) in the world?
5:- Do ice core samples give a 'real time' account of temperature v/s CO2 - what sort of time 'lag' do think there might be between CO2 rising and temperature rising ?
6: - Does the temperature rise on Mars have anything to do with CO2 ?
7:- Does Sun activity have anything to do with the temperature on Earth ?


Now if you take the time to read through this and properly research your answers .... I am very eager to hear your answers or whether you will just give another flippant carte blanche rebuff !

Still if you want to answer the questions to demonstrate YOUR great knowledge on the subject - if you are successful then you will gain alot of credibility ... if not then ... well you can figure that one out !

Similarly if you have any questions you want to ask me I am all ears and would be happy to answer ....


48

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 14:47:02
43:- This is not 'learning' this is brazen 'mind programing' by a bunch of arrogant unqualified 'do-gooders' who think they know better!

The Trams are massive profits and jobs for the boys masquerading as 'safe and green' - nothing more -- it is disgusting to prey on the minds of a child for these morally corrupt reasons -

When the trams are proven to be a complete disaster as they will be - financially and from an infrastructure point of view - hopefully some of the children will remember the sleaze who came in from TIE and CEC selling them crazy - they in turn lets hope will be stronger than us and put an end to this disgusting government behavior .... unless we do first !
49

Geomac 1,

Scotland 19/06/2009 16:09:27
Little wonder that our educational levels are reducing. Schools have become a brainwashing bastion for all sorts - global warming has replaced science, kids are now recruited to help pick up litter (in school hours) and now trams are being sold as the future of public transport.
Poor kids!! Anything but the 3 Rs
50

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 19/06/2009 18:39:21
51 - I wouldn't worry about 'roadstohell' you'll have noticed, although it didn't start that high, the standard of his posts degenerated throughout the day. We can conclude from this that;

A:- He has forgotten his medication.
B:- He has taken too much of his medication.
C:- He has forgotten his medication and then taken too much of his medication.
D:- He has a bottle of 'organic beetroot whisky' beside his computer which is 'evaporating'
E:- He has rolled some 'home grown' smoking material and has enjoyed too much
F:- He is a complete moron.

Take your choice but it is at least one of the above !

We haven't heard from in a while - he's probably passed out !
51

El Franko,

29/06/2009 17:02:18
The young greenshirts we need to maintain compliance will be trained to ignore technical inputs. All threats to the imposed consensus will be regarded as subversive.

 

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