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Published Date: 02 June 2009
AN EXCLUSIVE West End street will be "cast into darkness for four months of the year" if the £200 million Haymarket hotel development is given the go-ahead, Scotland's former solicitor general has warned.
Lord McLuskey, a West End resident and outspoken critic of the scheme, cross-examined Edinburgh Council design advisor Lawrence Dowdell on his part in the hotel's design and approval ahead of city conservation group The Cockburn Association's attack
on the plans, set to begin today.

Armed with local skyline charts provided by the association, Lord McLuskey showed that the sun would not rise above the 17-storey hotel in the winter months, consigning Grosvenor Street – home to the exclusive Hilton Grosvenor Hotel – to shadow.

Mr Dowdell, who was giving evidence at the two-week public inquiry into the plans for the disused Morrison Street goods yard, conceded that such an outcome was "likely".

Lord McLuskey was addressing Mr Dowdell as a private resident whose property will be adversely affected by the hotel.

However, The Cockburn Association has also lined up a host of experts to challenge the council's case for permitting the hotel to go ahead, a decision that was called in by the Scottish Government.

Among the names set to give evidence are consultant architect and town planner Charles Strang and Professor Herb Stovel, one of the world's leading authorities on conservation.

Prof Stovel is set to challenge Edinburgh Council's argument that the plans would have no bearing on the city's World Heritage status as it sits outside the World Heritage zone.

"It would be hard to argue that any development located 30 feet from the perimeter of a World Heritage property, should not maintain harmony with the flanking elements of the immediately adjacent World Heritage property," Prof Stovel is to tell the inquiry. "The site cannot be regarded as a 'no man's land', open to any form of development."

Mr Strang was set to tell the enquiry that the development is, in his opinion, in contravention of no less than 23 local policies pertaining to planning and conservation in the city.





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  • Last Updated: 02 June 2009 11:11 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh planning issues
 
1

Mallory,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 12:06:26
Since when did developers care about overshadowing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBUZJBUTpW0
2

Bling Crosby,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 12:07:54
do we really need another hotel in Edinburgh?
3

Buttress,

02/06/2009 12:12:21
Still, who will worry? Cash will be paid for the trams and the developer and architact will make money. Isn't that what's important?
4

Irked,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 12:21:59
But this developer will not pay the full amount of the tram tax as set out in Edinburgh Council policy.

It is a joke that smaller developers are being hammered by the Council for this tax and yet these guys - and the crowd putting up a(nother) hotel on Princes Street - get away with paying nothing or next to nothing.

5

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 02/06/2009 12:24:27
Another darn hotel,with darkness for the muggers.
6

Buttress,

02/06/2009 12:24:44
Ah, but you see, it's Economic Development, so the big boys have to be sweetened with being allowed to get away with it, and crass developments rubber stamped through, otherwise the Chamber of Commerce will whine and the developers will threaten to go to Glasgow.

7

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02/06/2009 12:42:09
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02/06/2009 12:47:00
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Suntoucher,

Anywhere 02/06/2009 12:49:37
Economic development, hotel, tram contribution blah blah blah......the simple fact is that it is a gash awful, oversized, out of context lump of a 'building' - note, not 'architecture'.
10

Suntoucher,

02/06/2009 12:50:34
oops - 'facts are' - hot here on the beach :p
11

Foo,

02/06/2009 13:10:34
I am regularly outraged by shadows and the cooling influence the exert on the space on which they are cast.
12

Buttress,

02/06/2009 13:17:39
7, 8 Yeah, I don't bother to proof read my lousy typing. And?

I can also say ****wit.

Still, I do know that 'architect' and 'buildings' are common nouns and don't, in normal usage, begin with capital letters. I did use capitals for 'economic development' for ironic emphasis.

Now, back to the Haymarket story... it is indeed a great ugly lump, but 'design' tends not to be the stuff that inquiries are won by. It's so subjective you see, and only certain of us can see royalty is nude.
13

Bill MacD,

02/06/2009 13:27:36
Greed. Arrogance. Ego.

The developers you can understand not caring a monkeys for anything but their own profits.

It's the planners who should be sacked for encouraging the destruction of our beautiful city.
14

Buttress,

02/06/2009 13:45:42
Or their political masters...
15

the good doctor,

hiding from the sun 02/06/2009 13:50:25
Where was this talk of shadows before we suddenly got this freak 5 days of sunshine?
16

Grumpy,

02/06/2009 13:52:57
Why don't they build the new hotel down at Ocean Terminal? (A)there is space for it without impeding anyone's views, (B) it'll mean more customers for the trams
17

Irked,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 14:08:24
#16 - simple answer is because the scottish government at Victoria Quay do not want any building there that will impede their view
18

Mallory,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 14:16:56
#17 continued..

and nobody would want to stay down there anyway, et alone travel with hoi-poloi on public transport
19

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02/06/2009 14:17:10
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Foo,

02/06/2009 16:34:32
19

I've calculated the date of my own death to be 2068.
21

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02/06/2009 17:15:18
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02/06/2009 17:16:05
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Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 18:18:17
"Hotel 'will cast West End into darkness'"

Sounds like something by Dennis Wheatley.

Could competition from this new hotel have something to do with the bad image the Grosvenor Hotel et al are trying to portray?

Weren't Lord McKluskey and his West End cronies trying to stop people smoking outside one of the West End establishments only a few month's ago?
24

Buttress,

02/06/2009 20:30:27
I think you've lost the plot.
25

Douglas,

Bathgate 02/06/2009 20:47:40
The Darkness, The Shadows, it's all a bit rock and roll for the West End innit?
This would never have happened in REO Stakiswagon's day.
26

Rap,

02/06/2009 21:29:08
#23 This has nothing to do with the Grosvenor hotel, Lord McCluskey lives in one of the crescents behind and that is why he brought it up. The developers provided a single sun diagram on March 21st, and not on the shortest day of the year which results in the longest shadow. The shadow will hover over Grosvenor st (and crescents behind) and will move across W Maitland St.

#8 I can see that you are talking out of your hole that's in deepest shadow. This is a building proposed to be built and so we can influence whether it is built and whether it casts a shadow. See where I went with that?
27

Buttress,

02/06/2009 21:56:59
Mr Wilson is quite amusing about it all:-

http://www.architecturescotland.co.uk/news/1493/Wilson%27s_Weekly_Wrap%3A_You_don%27t_have_to_lose_an_arm_to_be_a_bandit_%26_Pinnochio_Tower_-_extended_version.html
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Rap,

02/06/2009 22:03:17
I saw. Although Lord M hasn't actually given evidence yet, so I think a little time travel was used in his article. It is refreshing to know all architects don't have their heads up their 17 storey hotels.
29

Buttress,

02/06/2009 22:15:51
I think much reporting is based on the written pre-submitted evidence?

Can't find it online, which is shame..
30

is it me?,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 22:19:47
#26 Rap

Getting a wee bit above yourself aren't you ?

How can you influence whether a building casts a shadow ?

See where I went with that ?
31

Rap,

02/06/2009 22:22:44
Buttress, apparently the DPEA now has inquiry stuff online, but this inquiry predates it slightly, so reliant on the paper stuff, or someone with contacts with the electronic version. Lord M in real life will be so much more entertaining (Thursday am).
32

Rap,

02/06/2009 22:24:27
#26 If the building isn't built there is no shadow. Did you really need little old me to explain that to you?

33

Buttress,

02/06/2009 22:28:27
Well, yes you can influence whether or not a building casts a shadow, because if you can prevent it being built, it won't.

Yes, I think this week is really getting interesting! :-)
34

Rap,

02/06/2009 22:32:18
3 witnesses tomorrow - planning, general and visual impact, loads of third parties on Thursday, closing submissions probably Tuesday next week. Decision likely end of August.
35

Buttress,

02/06/2009 22:43:46
Hard to understand that there are people prepared to stand up and defend this monstrosity.
36

is it me?,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 22:52:58
32 & 33.
Apologies. I misread the whole thing.

In this world of ironic posting I thought Rap was defending the development.




37

is it me?,

Edinburgh 02/06/2009 22:59:57
Rap,
You really must stop fannying around and say what you want to say, instead of responding to old numpties like me.
38

Buttress,

02/06/2009 23:00:11
Nope, it's really indefensible, although some have been prepared to try, which says so much about a certain sort of person.


39

Rap,

02/06/2009 23:01:33
A little bird tells me a witness supporting Tiger Towers said he would be objecting if he lived near it.
40

Buttress,

02/06/2009 23:07:26
Oh ho ho ho. But presumably he was being paid to defend it!
41

Julian.,

edinburgh 02/06/2009 23:15:41
Buttress,

You could also influence the shadow by buidung it of glass.
42

Rap,

02/06/2009 23:15:56
30 pieces of silver.....
43

Buttress,

02/06/2009 23:21:10
Yes. They are, these people, like glass buildings, pretty transparent. And cast long shadows.
44

Rap,

02/06/2009 23:21:36
#37 I live in Haymarket and think the development is terrible.

#41 Would you pay several hundred pounds to stay in a see through hotel room?
45

Buttress,

02/06/2009 23:30:13
http://www.scotland.org.uk/edinburgh-glass-house-hotel.htm

There is a glass hotel already :-) and it's pretty dreadful also. What is it about Edinburgh and architects?
46

Julian.,

edinburgh 03/06/2009 05:40:50
#44,

No, but depending on the inhabitants, I might pay a few quid to watch one.
47

Foo,

03/06/2009 09:13:17
I think that its a disgrace Edinburgh has so many buildings in the skyline that ruin the view of the skyline.

Surely any right thinking local can see the only way we can save Edinburgh's skyline for sure is by demolishing Edinburgh completely, so there are no building left at all.

Only then will we proud Edinburgers be able to stand and admire our world class skyline without any buildings whatsoever casting shadows and obstructing views of the skyline, which wont be there because there will be no buildings left.

It quite clearly states in the bible that shadows are the work of Satan’s jezebel’s and Satan and all of Satan’s worst wizards and beasties, who are jealous of Edinburgh's skyline.
48

Buttress,

03/06/2009 11:07:47
Yes dear.

Nurse, nurse... the medication...

 

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