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Council is owed £8m for repairs to homes



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Published Date: 25 March 2008
MORE than £8 million is owed to the council for repairs carried out to private homes in Edinburgh, it emerged today.
A huge rise in the number of "statutory repair notices" being issued is being blamed for the soaring number of outstanding bills.

The notices cover all sorts of repairs, from fixing crumbling stonework to replacing roofs, and are undertaken by the council on behalf of homeowners, who are later billed by the local authority.

A total of 24,143 repair notices were issued in the last year alone – nearly twice as many as in the previous year.

Bills still outstanding from 2001/02 currently total £29,565, while unpaid invoices from 2006/07 are standing at more than £1m.

City leaders today warned they will take all "appropriate steps" to recover money that is due to them, including the threat of legal action.

Due to the protracted nature of communal repairs, many of the 9000 outstanding bills for this financial year will be settled over the coming months and the £6.1m outstanding for 2007/08 will be reduced.

The city's finance leader, Gordon Mackenzie, said: "The profile of payments over the last four years shows that this is happening. The situation with outstanding amounts is normal, especially when you consider that some of the money is tied up in properties and will only become available once they are sold.

"The director of finance takes every possible step to recover monies due.

"In exceptional cases where the owner refuses to pay and the council has been successful in the court process, the owner can be legally inhibited from disposing of the property."

In the event an owner failing to pay for statutory repairs, then a final notice to pay is issued 28 days after the original invoice is issued. If the invoice is still unpaid after a further two weeks, officials will contact the property owner to try and arrange payment.

The final course of action is to begin legal proceedings in the Sheriff Court.

The high volume of statutory repair notice issued in Edinburgh reflects the historic nature of the city's buildings.

In 2005, figures released by the council showed that there were two masonry falls across the city every week.

The city's Tory leader, Councillor Iain Whyte, said: "I would like to think the council will be concentrating its efforts on chasing the outstanding debt from several years back.

"I think there are two factors behind the increase in notices – people are more aware of looking after their property after a number of stone falls in the city in recent years, but also the council has a team carrying out visual inspections of buildings."


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  • Last Updated: 25 March 2008 11:10 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Council
 
1

Stewarty,

25/03/2008 12:15:25
Surely, the simplest thing would be for the Council to list the really bad (long-standing) debts in full in the Evening News and/or Scotsman, with full names and addresses of those involved, how much they owe and for what etc.

If someone realised that they were going to be exposed publicly as a bad risk, they might think twice about their debt.
2

JT,

25/03/2008 12:19:00
they got cowboys into do our repairs and after 2 years the roof still leaks, the company know who they are and even the council have problems getting hold of them. the worse thing is that they are still trading and actually repairing other homes in our street!
3

Rigsby,

Edinburgh 25/03/2008 12:28:49
I would pay it if I got the bill but they don't seem able to cope with the fact I'm a landlord and my last tenants just binned anything that wasn't addressed to them!
4

Epicuras,

25/03/2008 12:37:12
so 200K last week, 8 million this week - just how much is the council owed - letrs get it collected and stop all the cuts to services
5

flecktimus,

25/03/2008 12:40:34
How much of the £8 million is the over inflated prices for the works to be done.Just received a notice for over £2000.luckily we have a gentleman who will deal with these notices and we now have an invoice for £800 for the same work.So if you are looking to earn some good money get on the councils statuary repairs list. A license to print money
6

Furious,

Edinburgh 25/03/2008 12:42:29
"A total of 24,143 repair notices were issued in the last year alone – nearly twice as many as in the previous year."

These repairs can be done much cheaper privately. However I do know that the Council are actively encouraging their tenants to have Stat Notices served when one of their tenants reports a fault. Even a minor fault. Owners have real issues. An example is problems with a door entry system in one stair can mean a statutory notice being served on many stairs if they share the same roof. How does that make sense? No wonder the owners feel aggrieved. Why don't the Council just do the small jobs on behalf of their tenants if it is their tenant who has complained. They can then send the reasonably small bill to the owners for them to pay their share. I know one stair of 6 who are having to pay £8000 for their stat notice. Who has that money lying around. I know one woman who had a stat notice served on 18 houses and she didn't even realise what she's done. She only phoned the council to have a section of down pipe repaired. I'm sure lots of other people have been conned this way as well.
7

A working person,

Edinburgh 25/03/2008 12:42:40
#3- ditto. Despite signing-up to the landlords register (which we're legally bound to do and having to pay the Council for the privilege) they can't even manage to forward letters to me directly. Works carried out last spring still haven't been billed to me despite phone calls to the department responsible. Perhaps the Council should get their systems working properly before moaning about monies outstanding.
8

techpunk,

25/03/2008 12:50:59
#3
#7

maybe a good idea to have your mail redirected? it's what most people do when they no longer live at an address.
9

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 25/03/2008 12:52:26
Why doesn't the Council apply for attachment orders to secure these loans on the houses repaired. It would then have the option of threatening to go to Court to force a sale to recover the money. I'm sure that would concentrate minds amongst the deadbeat debtors.
10

Fifi la Bonbon,

25/03/2008 12:57:47
Who would trust a private landlord to tell the truth, especially a buy-to-letter?

If you managed your properties properly you would know about the need for repairs and the Council wouldn't get to be involved, and you would be able to choose your own tradespeople. If you can't afford the costs of ownership, sell up.

No sympathy for landlords who won't pay the bills and need to be chased. Eight million pounds owed to the city for acting as a virtual bank is pretty bad. There ought to be laws that allow the Council to take over ownership at its own valuation with minimal compensation for defaulting landlords. That would learn them.

11

edinburgh1,

Edinburgh 25/03/2008 13:01:45
I had a stat notice carried out at my flat and despite phoning 3 times it still took the council over a year to send me a bill for the money due and wouldn't let me pay until they sent me a bill!
12

ValdasTheMan,

Edinburgh 25/03/2008 13:13:23
#3,7 same here.

#8 Why should we pay for redirection when blame is squarely on the doorstep of the council. They have the correct address to which repair notices should be sent. They choose to send it to the incorrect address. Another incompetent faceless council department.

#10 ur an @rse. 'That would learn them' - back to the methadone.
13

Mr H 2u,

Embra 25/03/2008 13:29:57
Just been billed by the cooncil. They didn't include a copy of the contractors bill, but said the job lasted two weeks. Workmen were on site for 2 and a half days. Naturally, I'm disputing it, but the cowboy contractors think they get away with muurrduur, just because the cooncil is involved.
14

Metal Mickey,

25/03/2008 13:31:26
#10

"Who would trust a private landlord to tell the truth, especially a buy-to-letter? If you managed your properties properly you would know about the need for repairs and the Council wouldn't get to be involved"

What's that all about? The article makes no mention of private landlords.

You've got a problem.


15

A working person,

Edinburgh 25/03/2008 13:42:55
#10
When a council tenant lives in a communal stair the Council gets involved whether the private owners in the block like it or not. We have no option but to be ripped off by the contractors they bring in.
16

ValdasTheMan,

Edinburgh 25/03/2008 13:51:20
#15 The council get involved regardless of whether there are council tenants. Statutory notices can be served on any shared premises (eg tenements).
17

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 25/03/2008 14:05:47
Back when I was served a Statutory Order, it was clear in the text that the whole tenement could get together and get the work carried out privately (indeed at around half the cost). Then we'd have to get Council folks to certify it. If that was OK'd then the order would be lifted.

The idea behind the order seemed to be that if any tenants demurred from organising things themselves, the Council would have the work done anyway and charge everyone at their own rate. If that rate is double, it seems to me a good incentive to kick any Last Holdouts into line.
18

NorT,

Edinburgh 25/03/2008 14:16:19
The Council should get its own house in order. I recently sold a flat which had a small statutory notice account against it for £17.50. I asked the Council department to send me an invoice so that I could pay the outstanding amount (the notice was about 18mths old)but they were unable to do so as they did not have the systems in place. I then sent them a cheque for the amount due and they returned it to me uncashed as they were unable to do anything without without an approriate account. No wonder so much is owed, the Council don't have the proper controls in place and cannot handle payments. Also accounts should be issued a lot sooner before people, for whatever reason, move on. The remedy is in the Council's hands and smacks of gross negligence.
19

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25/03/2008 14:31:56
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Young Gordon,

The Shore 25/03/2008 14:44:41
"I think there are two factors behind the increase in notices – people are more aware of looking after their property after a number of stone falls in the city in recent years, but also the council has a team carrying out visual inspections of buildings."

This is as money-making as parking attendants 'inspecting' parking problems, but instead of a £40/£80 fine, its a whopping 15% of the entire botch-up!
21

Bored,

25/03/2008 15:25:36
"Due to the protracted nature of communal repairs, many of the 9000 outstanding bills for this financial year will be settled over the coming months and the £6.1m outstanding for 2007/08 will be reduced."

What I suggest is that the Evening News finds out exactly how much IS overdue and uses that figure instead of the £8 million on the headline. But then that wouldn't be sensationalist and that is what news is about.

I would suggest that the rest is due to disputes regarding the work done as has been mentioned by previous posters.

Absolute sensasionalist clap trap.
22

SPG,

edinburgh 25/03/2008 15:39:23
They went ahead with a job in my stair and still tried to bill an owner that had sold up three years ago. I pointed this out and wished them luck.
23

gasbag,

edin 25/03/2008 16:41:40
maybe this is why the council has started charging council tennants for there repairs and charging an absolute fortune
24

GorgieRepublic,

Edinburgh 25/03/2008 17:02:53
The council are probably guilty of inflating this figure through poor practise. When I bought my flat work was about to begin and the seller was liable for it. Surprise surprise he reneged on it, council then threatened me over payment because frankly they didn't care who the money came from, the right person or wrong. To add insult to injury the bill was FOUR TIMES the estimate. My lawyer had kept some money back from the seller in case he welched on the deal, but strangely enough not four times the estimate. When I asked why so high they refused to give me details, just said oh, we needed to do more than we thought, now give us all this extra money or else...

Thanks to the council I ended up having to take out a loan and putting myself into debt - thanks, Edinburgh Council! Maybe if they didn't hire scaffolding then leave it up for a whole year when no-one is to be seen working for weeks or even months at a stretch the bill could be lower? Just a thought. The scaffolding rental companies must make a bomb out of it. All the tenements in my street were done at great cost and now just a few years later several have scaffolding back up redoing the work and we've had leaking roofs several times. Just what did we pay over the odds for to this shower of highway robbers?
25

awfyvexed,

auld toon 25/03/2008 17:19:13
Me and 2 others have been billed for over £2000-00 each under a Statutory Notice.
The council are unable to say what work was carried out on our property by the contractor instructed by them.
A bit of loose plaster fell onto the pavement and this prompted a Statutory Notice to be served and scaffolding to be put in place for over 5 weeks...I was away..the council sent my correspondence to the wrong address (one which has not been used for 5 years!!)
Funny that cos they always seem to be able to get the council tax bill out to me at the correct address!
£8000-00 and they don't know what work was carried out??

Surely shome mishtake!!




26

awfyvexed,

auld toon 25/03/2008 18:07:42
By the way....DO NOT PAY UP until the council provide you with comprehensive documentation of what work was carried out on YOUR property.
You'll need it for your Insurers.

Or get the council to send the bill they expect YOU to pay to your Insurers and see what reaction that gets.

This is a racket and the sooner somebody looks into it the better.
We're being mugged!





27

Scotish Exile,

25/03/2008 18:22:37
Thw whole situation is a rip off, the first thing you know about the work that is supposed to have been carried out is when you get a bill through the door, and the cost is normally massive when compared to the work that is done, and the Council then have the nerve to add on a "management fee". COMPLETE AND UTTER RIP OFF...
28

Evia,

25/03/2008 18:46:32
Any job in which the Council gets involved is a rip-off. Far better to discuss repair with other tenants and come to agreement re which estimate to accept. I know it isn't always easy to reach an agreement but it is worth a try.

I have been the owner of a tenement flat and we always met to discuss and reach agreement on repairs. Knowing that the council would send in a load of cowboys to do the work and then charge rip-off prices was enough to encourage us to have the work done privately.
29

Waspy100,

25/03/2008 22:29:36
Looks like brown envelope time and I mean big time.
Time for an investigation into all this.
If I'm wrong I will apologize but somehow I dont think so.
Tenants in flats whom have bought their flats of the council or housing associations have always been ripped of. Shame is the councils or housing associtions dont realise they are being conned, its only the people who have bought and question their bills who try to bring this to light but the councils or housing associations keep saying thats in your lease even though its way out of order.
easy way to make a buck is to get on the preffered list of contractors.
Not saying all are bad but methinks the percentage of cowboys are beating the Indians
30

fraz83,

edinburgh 25/03/2008 23:26:55
what a shame!! the council cut corners for years by getting there own cowboy tradesman to do cheap cover up jobs! then afew years down the line someone who has a job buys the place & has to foot the bill for 30 years of junkie neglect & cowboy cover ups! why dont you ask the people who buy ex council houses how much they spend trying to salvage from the wreckage??? its a vicious circle so whats the answer??? we pay!! the council pays!!! but who doesnt??? the c**ts across the stair who get a new kitchen for free while they sit drinking all day with a dead dog in the bathroom!!!
31

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 26/03/2008 08:30:32
Councils just being conned and billed top rate for 2nd grade work and materials. They think it is an open cheque book with no accountability.

The cowboys should be named and shamed. In the long run it is us who pay.

Since Scottish Gas apparently put in all the free Gas Central Heating for the over 60's they must be charging the council a fortune.

I had an estimate from Scottish Gas for Central Heating and it was £7500 and from 2 private Corgi companies and same system was £4500!!

It's pathetic what goes on but what can we do? Stick together and vote em out!
32

jennyman,

Edinburgh 26/03/2008 10:44:03
Scaffolding in the Fountainbridge area ( in the street opposite the Fountain Leisure centre) was erected in June 2007. Its still there after 9 months, no one has been working on it for the last week( then its only for a few hours each day). It really makes me angry every time I see it when I come home at night. Supposed to be finished by the end of the month (March 2008).
33

Pedro_H,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 22:20:07
I have had 3 statutory notices served on my flat in the past year. For one of these notices, the fault was reported by a certain scaffolding company, and the same scaffolding company were awarded the contract to complete the repairs (very handy for them no doubt). On this occassion the scaffolding was errected and after five weeks of no work I received a knock on my door by a workman telling me he needed to block up my fireplace. He said that work could not start until all the fireplaces in the tennement were blocked up, and that we were being charged for the scaffolding from the day they put it up, even though they had absolutely no intention of starting work for over a month after it was put up.

It seems to me that some companies have been awarded a licence to print money by the council. I have tried to organise repairs myself, but it is quite difficult to do this in the 28 days that the council give you to rectify the problem. I can understand that some essential repairs need to be carried out, but I strongly believe that many non-essential repairs are being carried out unnecessarily.

I have just received another notice on the flat for unspecified repairs to the front of the building. I have absolutely no doubt that the same scaffolding company reported the supposed fault and will also get the contract.

I am surprised that the council do not seem to closely monitor the progress of these repairs, and I expect that if they showed some more interest in this process and some of the unscrupulous companies that are involved, the actual amount owed to them would be considerably less.

 

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