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City staff to be made to work public holidays for first time



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Published Date: 07 May 2008
COUNCIL staff are to be told to work on public holidays for the first time under controversial plans to overhaul their working conditions.
The move is aimed at meeting a growing demand for a round-the-clock service and would mean council offices would be open as normal on public holidays.

But the change to working conditions is facing strong opposition from unions, as it means staff who currently work on bank holidays will lose bonus payments.

It is part of a new pay system to be introduced for 17,000 key council workers, which will also see staff expected to work an extra 15 minutes per week – up from 35.75 hours to 36 – for no extra money.

Lengthy negotiations over the new working conditions got under way between union and council chiefs yesterday.

After years of delay, the council is moving towards a "single status" system – scrapping the maze of different pay scales and giving staff a "fair" rate for the jobs they do.

Coupled with individual job evaluations, which will see some workers suffer salary cuts, the council is also set to introduce performance-related pay for the first time.

Finance leader Gordon Mackenzie said: "Our aim is for Edinburgh to be one of the top-perfoming authorities in the country. A fairer pay system will ensure better use of taxpayers' money by avoiding legal claims, paying appropriate wages, attracting and retaining good staff."

Deputy council leader Steve Cardownie insisted the deal was open to negotiation, saying: "It will be difficult but we are confident staff and their representatives will work productively with us to achieve the best possible result."

But while the council believes the added flexibility for choosing holiday dates will be welcomed by staff, unions warn lower-paid workers who currently work antisocial hours will be worse off.

At present, the majority of council staff are entitled to ten public holidays every year, with extra cash for the small number of employees – such as binmen and street cleaners – who do work.

In future, all holidays apart from Christmas and New Year will be added to workers' annual leave entitlement. John Stevenson, a spokesman for Unison's Edinburgh branch, said: "They have lumped in working conditions with equal pay and the motivation is to save money.

"The reality is that the flexibility (to work public holidays] is already there, but the council has to pay for it. They want to create that flexibility without paying for it."

Elsewhere in the country, the move to single status has led to major strike action, and council leaders today confirmed they had drawn up contingency plans – but were "hoping not to use them".

Most employees will remain on the same pay. Others will receive a rise – particularly women in low-paid jobs. A minority will have their salaries cut. Their pay packets will be protected for three years but they will miss out on annual rises until their new wage "catches up".


The full article contains 505 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 07 May 2008 11:23 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Council
 
1

allknowing,

07/05/2008 12:18:26
OMG, they have to work public hols, whatever next, doing a full days work!
2

alex paterson,

At the moment in Sevilla 07/05/2008 12:24:11
The council is first class and just trying to maintain its high standard.
3

Zx,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 12:29:07
"which will also see staff expected to work an extra 15 minutes per week – up from 35.75 hours to 36 – for no extra money" - Is that a joke ? Welcome to the real world of business...bunch of skivers anyway.
4

Scotish Exile,

07/05/2008 12:39:18
should go the whole hog and get rid of their gold plated pensions as well, that could bring the cooncil tax bill down substantially
5

Foo,

ejinbara 07/05/2008 12:48:01
Good, get them working. Cut their pay and ban uniion membership too. Leaches that they are.
6

Epicuras,

07/05/2008 13:01:52
Glad to see this has started a rational debate. Perhaps those knocking council employees should ask themselves why they don't work for the council? - crap wages, long hrs (we get paid for 35.75 but most do 40 plus), enormous workloads, little or no support and chronic management. Of course there are council staff who are just a waste of space, as with most large organisations, but the vast majority are not. Try it before you knock it!
7

Disgruntled Black cab customer,

07/05/2008 13:03:56
Well welcome to the real world, most companies now work Public Holidays without bonus or extra payment.

We the council tax payers are paying these layabouts, time we got our money's worth.
8

Sister H,

07/05/2008 13:04:46
Here we go. Another chance for the numpties to stick the boot in

#5 Unlike you I suspect that most council employees know how to spell. Ignorant eejit
9

Wee Keef,

07/05/2008 13:13:36
# 1, 3, 4, 5, 7

Please try to go grow up. If and when you ever manage to hold down a job, I seriously doubt you will be thrilled by the prospect of your employer changing terms and conditions.

In fact, this article does not say that the employees are protesting. It says talks are underway. That's as it should be.
10

fresian,

dubai 07/05/2008 13:14:00
Anyone notice how you never see Steve Cardownie and Nosferatu in the same room at the same time
11

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/05/2008 13:18:11
9 Nobody is forced to work for Local Government. What annoys me is the strength of the Unions - I was "one of them" at one point and I've never met a bigger bunch of self serving workshy a-holes in my life.

36 hours a week indeed. How much of that is productive time ? about 15 hours ?

Tip of the day to those working 40 hours plus on a 35,75 contract - dont do it ! If you really think your job security is that precarious then get out.
12

Dileas,

07/05/2008 13:19:49
Epicuras (6) - Are you clocked in while you are posting here (at 1301)?

You also say "crap wages, long hrs (we get paid for 35.75 but most do 40 plus), enormous workloads, little or no support and chronic management. Of course there are council staff who are just a waste of space, as with most large organisations, but the vast majority are not."

We all have that kind of job but without the featherbedding that Council staff enjoy - welcome to the real world where "successful" managers are inept but able to make excuses at Olympic standard, where staff have nervous breakdowns trying to do the job with inadequate staffing so that their managers can get a 20% bonus for completeing the year within budget, work without overtime and put up with shirkers "working their ticket".

But the rest of us don't get inflation proof pensions, we have no "non-jobs" like "enablers", "equality supervisors" and "relationship managers" - we can't even get the staff we need, let alone politically inspired job-creation ploys.
13

filthy,

07/05/2008 13:20:17
real- welcome- world- the- to...
14

Dileas,

07/05/2008 13:29:24
Wee Keef (9) said "Please try to go grow up. If and when you ever manage to hold down a job, I seriously doubt you will be thrilled by the prospect of your employer changing terms and conditions."

Agreed - though that didn't stop it happening. My company introduced a new contract and said that anyone who didn't sign would be considered to have resigned. A lawyer told me that it was illegal but he would advise a company to do the same. Most people want to keep their job so sign. Stonewall all the others, most will be unable to put together a sound legal argument and will cave in, a few won't - let them go to industrial tribunal, some will fail to make a case but fewer yet will. They will get paid a large sum of money but it is much less than the company will save by introducing the new terms.

A Human Resources manager told me that he was torn between whether the company's attitude was constructive dismissal or actual dismissal. Yet most signed. The few that didn't were spoken to and minor variations in the contract were negotiated individually. No one went to tribunal; there were not discussions with the union. That's the real world ten years ago.
15

THE BPRENTICE,

07/05/2008 13:32:48
Cardownie seems reasonable to me. I'm not saying coonsell workers should be bullied or pushed around BUT they have it cushtee compared to small business owners/employees... they need to suck this up. The unions should know this too.
16

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/05/2008 13:36:12
They seem to forget that they are public servants. Mission statement anyone ?

On second thoughts no, theyll set up a whole new department to work one out.

Public servant. You work for us. Leave if you dont like it.
17

Linda,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 13:41:43
# 6 NHS staff are paid on 37.5 hours and NO overtime
18

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 07/05/2008 13:46:39
16 - it is time to stop using such feudal expressions as " public servants " civil servants " . This is 2008 and it is time we were more politically correct . Labour will ban such phrases when they are re-elected .
19

Tr1xx,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 13:52:31
@18

That'll be sometime in the latter half of the 21st century then, (judging by the recent round of English council elections).
20

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/05/2008 13:57:28
It's legal in Scotland to phone the Council and get some of the staff to come round and clean your toilet / do a bit ironing if the work is a bit slow in there.

Absolutely Legal.
21

Brian Ferrari,

07/05/2008 13:58:05
Come the revolution....

I really can't see the electorate (the majority of which don't work in the public centre) continuing to pay final salary pensions to these people.

GB has ruined pensions in the private sector; the public sector workers only have to wait a while for their turn.

As for only getting a 36 hour week out of these people, the reason they feel they have too much to do is because they don't work enough hours. If they worked a 50 hour week, as many in the private sector do, then they'd get through their workload and not be off with stress. Or am I missing something?
22

JML,

07/05/2008 13:58:48
Wait to see what the union suggests....oh wait. It'll be a strike, won't it....silly me.
23

Scotish Exile,

07/05/2008 14:05:01
#9
fool, try working out in the private sector, thats where you have to work my fried, and theres no gold plated pensions, unpaid overtime and a few sickies will get you the boot!
#17
So what, no body forces you to work in the NHS, and what about all the perks, such as helping yourselves to patients money, and drugs and medical supplies??
24

KTCB41,

07/05/2008 14:08:00
A number of the posts on this story seem to have a negative view of Council staff, I wonder why that is?

Why is it that Council staff seem to regard themselves as working under terrible management with terrible conditions and pay while being over worked? Why do so many people who pay for the council services or are in receipt of them not agree with that view?

Why do so few people who think the Council staff are great but don't get paid by the council go on record to say so?
25

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/05/2008 14:09:23
23 and dont forget you get to switch old people off if they pee the bed.
26

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/05/2008 14:09:24
23 and dont forget you get to switch old people off if they pee the bed.
27

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/05/2008 14:09:35
twice, apparently.
28

Alasdair10,

glasgow 07/05/2008 14:14:13
To Epicuras post 6

Read this

The study shows that public sector employees have enjoyed larger average salary increases than their private sector counterparts for the past four consecutive years - opening up a 17% pay gap in favour of the public sector, while holding on to a better pension deal.

Lifted from a report done by the Chartered Institute of Personell and Development, an independent organisation.

Certainly you admit some workers are awful but stop trotting out the guff about the public sector being overworked and underpaid it's simply untrue.
29

Whiskey,

Oshawa 07/05/2008 14:17:14
23...you are one sick puppy!!!
30

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/05/2008 14:19:57
I firmly believe that just about everyone in the Public Sector is a fool. Why else would anyone settle for working in the public sector?
31

Council Insider,

Council HQ 07/05/2008 14:22:47
I'm no doing it. No way. I'm gonna speak to the union etc.etc.
32

celtic4,

USA 07/05/2008 14:28:39
#18...yes, it is time to stop using the term public servant and civil servant. They niether work for the public here nor are they civil. Moot point.
33

I love to eat Sellotape,

07/05/2008 14:36:08
23 says, among other things, "thats where you have to work my fried"

Who would want to work this guy's fried? And what does he mean by this?
34

Cappo Del Monte,

07/05/2008 14:45:28
Oh I love it, performance related pay, oh the pay cuts will slay them. Other than maybe the real workers, binmen etc. As for that lot who keep chairs warm with their over inflated ego's, welcome to the real world. Please go on strike if you want, nobody will really notice.
They should also phase out the non-contributary pension scheme as its unsustainable, also make office workers work until the real retirement age
35

Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 07/05/2008 15:18:27
I BLAME THE TRAMS........
36

World class concrete,

07/05/2008 15:22:42
Think back 20 years or more and remember how Edinburgh was dead on public holidays, everything closed. Now pretty much everything except the council and educational establishments is open on "public holidays". Times change.
37

Council Insider,

07/05/2008 15:23:48
#34. Yeah the binmen that want bonuses every Xmas or they won't empty your bins. Thank goodness it's getting outsourced. Oops sorry I wasn't meant to say anything.
38

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/05/2008 15:26:12
Its being outsourced to the Ten Skaffies from Border TV.
39

Artemis,

07/05/2008 15:30:00
#32 - nor are they servants.

#34 - the local goverment pension scheme is not non-contributory.
40

Arnie,

07/05/2008 15:37:02
City staff to be made to work for first time.
41

Foo,

07/05/2008 16:18:31
#8 & 9. You wouldn't last 2 mins working where I do. Because I'm self employed and I do over 50 hours a week.

That's right, I work hard and I think for myself, making a (good) living from my own ingenuity.

#8, You have never mis-spelled a word. Impressive. No wonder the council hired you to file away forms all day. Just one point, you missed a full stop on the end of your comment. OMFG!!!!LOL LOL LOL What an idiot!!!11!!
42

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 07/05/2008 16:22:03
The public sector makes up the majority of jobs in Scotland, so they are entitled to call the tune .
43

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/05/2008 16:34:40
42 and possibly the reason why so many are servile and incapable of independent thought.

39. What is local government for if is not to serve the people paying for it ?
44

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 07/05/2008 16:55:26
It exists to provide employment , in answer to 43 . It is one of the resons Labour has been so successful in keeping unemployment down .
45

Dileas,

07/05/2008 17:06:42
(44) - Is that why our local taxes are so high, than?
46

JFW,

New Town 07/05/2008 17:28:21
I'd be happy if council staff just work the regular days that they get paid for; try phoning the council after 3:15 on a Friday.
I'm not sure about this Bank Holiday idea; the only time I see any council activity in my area is on Bank Hols, when they turn out in force to do the job they should've done during the normal working week and get double time to do it.
47

Empirehater,

da burgh 07/05/2008 18:10:08
isn't it lovely for us all to be so perfect in the jobs that we do that we can have a pop at those "layabout" cooncil workers , afterall theres only 5000 of them who will lose out and it's not as if they'll miss the £5000 pay cut since they all get paid so much anyway !

I mean 12,000 pounds a year is more than enough for anyone is it not ?

I mean we'd all be delighted to take a £5000 pay cut ,an increased working week and lose our Public Holidays ! NOT - get a life all you cooncil worker knockers
48

Bob Marley The Wailer,

chesser house 07/05/2008 18:43:20
WHEN THE COONCIL EMPLOYEES DECIDE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO WORK PUBLIC HOLIDAYS,THEN THEY WILL WORK PUBLIC HOLIDAYS....NO-ONE ELSE WILL DECIDE THAT FOR THEM OR THEY WILL STRIKE AND QUITE RIGHT TOO!! AS FOR PAY RELATED JOB EVALUATION...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....C"MON,WHOS EVALUATING THE EVALUATORS? WE ALL KNOW COONCIL EMPLOYEES ARE THE LAZIEST BONE IDLE BUNCH OF IDLERS THAT SOCIETY HAS TO BURDEN! SACK THE LOT OF EM" AND BRING IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR! FROM MANAGERS TO WARDENS,YOU ALL HAVE TO GO!!!
49

Artemis,

07/05/2008 19:20:03
You're all so predictable.

At present council contracts state that staff can be asked to work public holidays if the service requires them to - that's why care home workers and home helps, for example, work on public holidays. The council doesn't provide staff in its care homes every day except public holidays, you know. Staff who have to work on public holidays are entitled to enhanced payments for doing so. The way the services are, the majority of the staff who are required to work on public holidays happen to be the staff who are the lowest paid, and if they work all ten public holidays at double time, that's enough money to make quite a big difference to their finances.

The council could insist that all its staff work every public holiday right now if it wanted to, but it would have to pay them at enhanced rates. There's nothing wrong with that. Staff should be entitled to enhanced payments for working on public holidays, and if your employer doesn't pay you enhancements for public holiday working, join a union and negotiate yourself a better deal - don't try and take it away from those who have it, you dog-in-the-mangers.

What the council is now proposing is that all staff should have to work on public holidays without any enhanced payment. For the lowest paid workers who do usually work them, that is a massive pay cut.

I think it's reasonable to expect council services to be open on public holidays, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect staff to take a pay cut to provide those services. Working additional days for no more money is a pay cut. Remember, as much as you all like to have your gripe about useless council workers, we're not talking about faceless pointless penpushers - we're talking about the people who clean the streets of the litter you're too lazy to put in the bin, the people who go into the homes of the disabled and elderly to wash and dress and feed and care for them, the people who care for the elderly in disabled in care
50

Artemis,

07/05/2008 19:21:37
homes, the people who get rid of pest infestations, who deal with antisocial behaviour, who run libraries and leisure centres, find emergency accommodation for people who are homeless, repair council houses, ensure restaurants are clean and safe, repair the streets and pavements and a thousand other services.
51

Artemis,

07/05/2008 19:21:38
homes, the people who get rid of pest infestations, who deal with antisocial behaviour, who run libraries and leisure centres, find emergency accommodation for people who are homeless, repair council houses, ensure restaurants are clean and safe, repair the streets and pavements and a thousand other services.
52

JT,

07/05/2008 19:44:10
OMG!My heart bleeds for them working for an extra 15mins for no extra money I would love to be only working an extra 15mins with out money its more like 5 hours a week! Before someone says it, I quite like my job but I cant down tools at 5pm no matter what.
53

Logie Almond,

07/05/2008 20:34:52
Q How many people work in Edinburgh City Council?

A About half of them.
54

Tommy Tank,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 20:46:27
Council workers have had it too good for too long. Time they entered the real world. Cost cutting is part of normal life in the private sector, yet the unions seem to think that taxpayers should fund a cushy life for public servants into perpetuity. The public sector needs to start thinking about value for money for taxpayers rather than existing simply to support their staff.
55

blackley,

Edinburgh 07/05/2008 21:29:52
The council staff are jolly good in my opinion and a credit to the ideals of public service.
56

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

07/05/2008 22:00:57
Quite right & not before time.
57

Julian,

EDINBURGH 07/05/2008 22:24:06
I'd much rather be commenting on the topless sunbathers in the botanics or the sw!ngers in the park story but the EEN seems to have closed down comments on these stories.
58

Rodger the Leith lodger,

edinburgh 07/05/2008 22:26:09
Why don't cooncil workers, 'civil'servants (classic oxymoron)or tw*ts like #41 (who apparently has to struggle for nearly 50 hours week to make a crust- maybe a Subway franchise?)Anyway, I digress - why do these peeps not look oot the window in the morning?

Well, apparently if they do it gives them fek all to do all afternoon
59

SamSung,

07/05/2008 23:36:29
whether you feel these folks do a good job or not.

Nobody who comments on this site would want a forced pay cut of 30 % imposed upon them .
cuz their over paid /gold plated pension plan bosses had made a complete hash of the whole changeover of the wage thing.

if you are on wages or benefits ,a cut of 30 % because of ,basicallly, a total fuk up,is just not on.

Bear in mind,also, yer London based MP is currently voting on their own pay rise.
yup,the useless ones get to vote on their own rise.
and because a few have finally been caught fiddling their expenses.
they all want a 25% pay rise(more than my current salary)to cushion the impact of, maybe ,losing the expenses gravy train.

poor wee babies,how do they struggle by?

60

Foo,

ejinbara 08/05/2008 09:58:56
58 Rodger the Leith lodger; That's a laugh, it's thanks to my hard work that you have a giro to sign on to each fortnight.

Not that I work in Subway, but I've much more respect for those workers than job dodgers like yourself. Personally I'd cut all benefit payments to scaffs like yourself.
61

Sister H,

08/05/2008 12:23:08
#41 a) I don't work for the Council and b) how can you make such a deduction from my short comment?

Just as well you're self-employed - you'd be an utter nightmare to work with. See, I too can make stupid deductions.
62

sick of dug s****in ma street,

edinburgh 09/05/2008 18:12:55
#48 you really are abit thick me thicks your that wee gadge that plays the bango in Deliverance.But your right, have seen some of the drivers right 1n breaders

 

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