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Campaign deadlock: 'Talks without compromise are not talks at all'



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THOSE who chose to fight attempts to close six creches at city leisure centres are to be congratulated in saving half of them from the axe.
At a time in Edinburgh when only outright victory is acceptable to some pressure groups, it is to be welcomed that they regard securing the future of three as a positive result. If only the same could be said for other groups engaged in battles wit
h the council and developers.

Sadly that is not the case and, like terriers with a bone, a growing number of campaigners just refuse to let go even when they have succeeded in achieving much of what they set out to do. Meadowbank is the perfect example. Under much pressure from local activists fighting for the stadium's retention, the council sought to compromise by demolishing the ageing arena and suggesting building a smaller ground and enhanced sports facilities on the same site.

On the surface the proposal appeared to satisfy the needs of both as it also freed up adjacent land to be sold off to release the necessary funding for the project. Yet the Save Meadowbank campaigners still wish to object to homes being built on the land and have now refused to enter into any further consultation with the council on the matter. Throwing their teddies out of their pram in this manner does them no credit whatsoever.

Those who have fought tooth and nail against the Caltongate scheme for the New Street bus garage site find themselves caught up in a similar situation. Having won their key battle over the retention of tenements on the Royal Mile, they are now insisting that both the unremarkable Sailors Ark and the old school be retained as well. It would appear that they, too, hold the view that total victory is the only satisfactory outcome.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with aiming high but, ultimately, negotiations without compromise are not negotiations at all and the failure to accept any kind of settlement is a mark of immaturity.

In a city such as Edinburgh there is a delicate balance to be struck between protecting heritage and the stifling of development. Replacing a derelict bus station or a crumbling 60s stadium cannot be seen in the same context as the demolition of St James Square or George Square.

It is right that all views should be taken into consideration when major plans are moving forward, but listening is not the same as agreeing. And doing nothing until one side has won all its arguments is a recipe for stagnation.





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  • Last Updated: 24 March 2008 9:45 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Council
 
1

AaronL,

Hillside 24/03/2008 12:29:54
EN: "negotiations without compromise are not negotiations at all"

Finally a statement SMC can agree with unreservably. Now, if you can manage to get council officials to accept this, you will have succeeded where many have failed.
2

AaronL,

Hillside 24/03/2008 12:30:57
And if you think I'm just being facetious, consider that after 3 months "consultation" with SMC, coaches and councillors, not a single word or evidence of any "consultation" made it to the final report, which in the end was just a copy of a previous report made by officials. Officials seem to justify ignoring concultation using selective amnesia.
3

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 24/03/2008 12:37:55
Who wrote this comment, why no name to it? Was it a certain former councillor who is seen going into the Scotsman offices reguarly?
The people in the various campaigns are passionate and caring about their fellow residents and the city`s beauty and history. They are not driven by ego or greed...unlike the people determined to ruin the city and make it impossible for regular families to continue living here. T
The Evening News should be impartial, letting people know without bias what is happening in their city and what they can do to improve things...
4

grantcat,

Old Town 24/03/2008 13:09:15
There is no compromise, there is no deadlock. We are not in a difficult position in the campaign to Save Our Old Town - there has not been a partial victory, there has been no victory at all. the tenements have not been saved, one tenement is to be the facade of a five star hotel, the other is to have 5 flats rebuilt (I have heard kept municipally, which is to be grateful for small mercies) but there is still to be a pend knocked in, the loss of shops and the top floor of the original tenement made into a luxury apartment. We loose 18 flats, 9 council ones. Where is the compromise, there. We are to loose listed buildings, the sell off of common good land, the loss of views and mighty big modern buildings to match the council HQ. There is no compromise. We have asked for compromise and collaboration from day one, Mountgrange's Director Manish Chande told us (honestly) it was an all or nothing scheme - so why pretend there was consultation. The council wanted to look like they cared about social housing and the community so they found an easy way out. Everyone who lived in the tenements has more or less moved out. Mountgrange and the council get to pretend that the scheme will bring social housing but it's Places for People (the builders for housing associations) building houses/flats on land the council owned anyway!!!!!! next to housing association houses/flats on Calton Road, we didn't need the Caltongate scheme to build those houses - they were going to be built anyway. The Canongate has been a residential and industrial are for years - now families can't live here, houses and flats are too expensive, there is no where for kids to play, it's all holiday homes, buy to invest - homes that were family homes where generations lived. The Old Town might be a tourist area but it is also a residential area, we don't have industry any longer but that doesn't mean we are to be pushed out because we don't suit the council anymore.

www.independentrepublicofthe
5

grantcat,

Old Town 24/03/2008 13:10:06
www.independentrepublicofthecanongate.blogspot.com
www.eh8.org.uk
6

mad moo,

edinburgh 24/03/2008 16:52:52
Yawn....another EN special slagging off anyone willing to take a stand with loony tune council decisions.
Compromise over the saving of the tenaments...hardly. It was clear from the off that the full height breakthrough on the Canongate was never really intended, it was only included to allow the developers to make a 'huge concession' to objections.

Nobody has suggested the bus depot site should not be developed and in fact the big issue from the start of the Caltongate Masterplan charade has been the developers threat that they might walk leaving A BIG GAP SITE if they dont get ALL of their development.

Why didnt they show the public their plans for the enlarged site when they applied for demolition of the bus depot?
Because they knew there would be more resistance to the demolition of the bus depot if people knew it was linked to the sale of public land and buildings, would lead to more demolitions including homes and listed buildings and that the creation of this big gap site was nothing to do with needing to investigate the contamination and archaeology of the site.
7

Buttress,

24/03/2008 19:16:50
What a load of inaccurate and innacurate nonsense - the MacRae Tenements was an issue made up by this papaer, not by campaigners. Thsi was not the key issue.

The Sailor's Ark and the Canongate Venture are listed buildings. The rest of the scheme is GRIM. Ugly and inappropriate.

No idea who has ghosted this article - but it's unmitigated TWADDLE.

More Mountgrange PR! Why does this paper fall for it???
8

Buttress,

24/03/2008 19:35:04
However - I said all along that the tenements was a sideshow put together by the developers, possibly in cahoots with councillors, in order that it could be seen that they had 'listened' to objectors (NO THEY HADN'T _ a sign of immaturity re Maountgrange and its PR people?) and I think this article proves it.

Now that they realise that the battle for the important parts - the listed buildings - is to continue, they use dirty tricks and smear tactics like this article.


9

heatherp,

24/03/2008 20:21:48
EEN really has become the mouthpiece of the council officials. As ~#1 points out, negotiations without compromise are no negotiations at all....this is what SMC has been trying to point out for a long time. We have compromised and negotiated till we are blue in the face. The final council vote to downsize Meadowbank and sell off half the land was taken based on a report with only 2 options, sell half the land or sell a third of the land. SMC option of sell no land didn;t make it to the report. neither did any of our architects or athletics coaches options or objections. The whole report is written in the first person, I being Jim Inch council official, not even we the working group.

When the council finally gets around to negotiation and compromise of their position SMC will be there to communicate, until then we hold the right to disengage form a really c*&p working group

10

Buttress,

24/03/2008 21:11:39
With regard to Caltongate - none of those groups and individuals who objected felt that the MacRae tenements were the key issue. That was a fabrication of this paper, probably fuelled by the developer as a smokescreen and a sop. The retention of the Grade C listed Sailor's Ark and the Grade C listed Canonngate School were always, and continue to be, key issues - they are listed for the reason they are of historic and architectural importance, and national planning policies says they should be protected!

Apart from that, the rest of the architecture for the development is clone town at best, ugly at worst - and out of scale and inappropriate for the WHS of the Old Town.

No, the developers didn't seek any real discussion or indeed proper consultation. All carefully PR managed stuff throughout.

This article is basically lies.

And to comapre this development with the creche situation is really stretching it!


11

shanderson99,

25/03/2008 11:57:08
who said the creche campaign was over? Loss of 50% of creche facilities is unacceptable as is £2 per visit increase. The campaign continues
12

Buttress,

25/03/2008 13:04:46
Well then - as ever the EEN has it all wrong...

 

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