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Squad of pub enforcers 'a waste of cash'



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Published Date: 20 May 2008
EIGHT new enforcers are to be recruited to act as the "eyes and ears" of the city's licensing board, in a move pub bosses say is a waste of money.
The squad of licensing standards officers (LSOs) in the process of being hired in Edinburgh is larger than any other licensing board in Scotland – and more than double the number being recruited in Glasgow.

The city's licensing board has forecast
the bill for the LSOs will be just above £300,000 in the current year, rising to £315,222 in 2010-11. They are being hired to ensure pubs applying for new-style liquor licences are being run in accordance with their existing licences.

While Edinburgh is to employ eight, Glasgow will only employ three full-time LSOs, while a fourth will share the role with another department.

The Scottish Beer and Pub Association (SBPA), whose members operate 1500 of Scotland's 5200 pubs, said the staff should be recruited temporarily as bars would only have to apply for the new licence once, instead of every few years. It said that all 2000 of Edinburgh's licensed premises would need to apply for the licence between now and September 2009, and the LSOs should only be employed until then.

Patrick Browne, chief executive of the SBPA, said: "Glasgow has 1500 licensed premises, Edinburgh has 2000. But that difference doesn't account for going from three to eight."

He added that Edinburgh's licensing board appeared to be building up surplus to allow it to pay LSOs in the future.

The 2007-8 surplus was £47,880, while it is expected to rise to £233,142 in the current year and £165,373 in 2009-10.

"We have no issue with LSOs generally, as they can provide benefits. Our concern is that they have this major surplus and they are spending it on this," said Mr Browne.

"The bulk of the work happens between February 2008 and September 2009, but the workloads will then reduce.

"If they are satisfied that a licensed premises is run effectively, there is not a need to come back on an ongoing basis."

A Scottish Government spokeswoman said: "Officers have a valuable role to play in offering guidance and advice, supervising compliance and providing mediation in disputes.

"We've issued guidance about the role of officers, but it is for the local council to decide how many are needed. Responsible publicans and retailers have nothing to fear."

City licensing leader Marjorie Thomas said the appointment of eight LSOs was "money well spent".

She said: "With people living above various licensed restaurants and pubs, I think it's very important that this works and that these guys go out and make this work.

"I think it is the right thing to do. We are going to start off with eight licensing officers and with an emphasis on making this work, and see how it goes.

"It's been looked at long and hard, regardless of what Glasgow is doing. They are all well qualified people."





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  • Last Updated: 20 May 2008 10:34 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 10:48:37
This is a classic example of the 'thinking' in the public sector - we have a surplus - lets create more jobs .... it is just sickening ... it is criminally inefficient.
2

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 10:55:39
Nearly a third of a million a year... To make sure that no-one lights up a fag in a pub.

Pathetic.
3

alex paterson,

At the moment in Sevilla 20/05/2008 12:12:00
Is this jobs for the boys?where there might be cut backs in their department.
4

fresian,

Dubai 20/05/2008 12:23:51
And they can afford this how exactly???
5

James (1),

20/05/2008 12:31:26
Quango!
6

Brian Ferrari,

20/05/2008 13:01:24
So, priorities then:

The next time you hear that the Council are having to cut their waste collection service, or the number of teachers or whatever, remember that they managed to find the money to employ 8 of these LSO people.

I'd give the Tories a chance next time round as they seem to be the only lot who don't want to make local government bigger and more expensive.
7

Edinburghs Finest,

20/05/2008 13:08:26
Gie the job to Kenny Richey, he is never out the boozer and is finding it difficult to gain employment. Two burds with one stone!!!
8

Alasdair10,

Glasgow 20/05/2008 13:12:51
Let me get this straight. 2000 pubs over an 18 months period = 5.5 pubs per day, assuming they, the standards officers the work a 5 day week.

So why are the people of Edinburgh paying for NINE of these people.

The numbers dont add up.

A scottish gov spokesperson said, blah, blah, blah. Stop the anonymity. Who are you, you bleat on to us about openess and transparency, lets have some from you.

9

Epicuras,

20/05/2008 13:29:39
"The bulk of the work happens between February 2008 and September 2009, but the workloads will then reduce" -so put them on seasonal contracts like temp gardeners, as if they would - more tax-payers money down the drain to create a police state
10

(-_-),

Tollcross, Edinburgh 20/05/2008 13:43:35
About time.
(*_*)
11

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 20/05/2008 13:49:34
I'm building a bar in my garden and all these prying do-gooders are instantly barred.They cant touch me cos It's a private bar. Smoking is permitted as are 24 hour opening times and the booze is a fraction of what you would pay in a public bar. every hour is happy hour and drunkenness is permitted...
12

911 was an inside job.,

20/05/2008 14:01:13
NuLab's/EU's police state needs spies and informers.
13

Dragonlord,

20/05/2008 14:33:13
11# Can you not move closer to Edinburgh?


The point has already been made but, Why employ them full time? Once the bulk of the work is done, they will find something for them to do, rather than sack them and save the money.Employ them on a fixed six month contract and stop wasting cash.
14

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20/05/2008 15:31:23
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15

Smasher,

20/05/2008 15:43:19
I have read the article twice and can't figure out what their role involves. Guidance, advice and compliance. What does that mean in a bar setting? I thought we already had smoke police. What happens to licensed places in the Winter months? What a complete waste of OUR money. Do as I did and just stop voting. It only encourages the b4stards.
16

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 17:16:59
#12 - It's the SNP/libdem council that is wasting this money - where does "NuLab's" come into it? All those clowns that voted for these money wasters should hang their head in shame - roll on the next election!
17

Finbarr Saunders,

20/05/2008 17:59:16
This is a ridiculous waste of money.

The Council should just give a handful of their current staff a secondment to complete this task.

I wonder what sort of divvy decided to employ eight people on full-time contracts with the knowledge that the work will dry up within a year?
18

is it me?,

Edinburgh 20/05/2008 21:46:50
Pub Spies now.

We'll soon be as good as the old KGB.

A'm fair burstin' wi' pride, so I am. This is a nation to be proud to be a part of !
19

Ezekiel Gazooks,

20/05/2008 22:16:08
This money could be spent on Trafffic Calming Measures and Safety Cameras.
No wait, just waste it on the pubs.
20

paulr,

edinburgh 21/05/2008 08:39:04
City licensing leader Marjorie Thomas said the appointment of eight LSOs was "money well spent".
I have no doubt she beleives that, well actually I have many doubts about it, its called BullS**t.
21

Davie63,

Edinburgh 21/05/2008 10:49:21
Would some of the people that write these comments care to take their head out of the sand and maybe research the complete role of the lso, i think you will find that they are more than just a smoking police or pub spy group, or part of the KGB, there is a serious drinking culture in Scotland, and this initiative just might given time help educate the public on the dangers of irresponsible drinking and the dangers associated with it.
22

Jenny MacArthur,

21/05/2008 11:59:32
Just love all the know-all whiners. Hey, stand for election if you think you could do better, big-mouths!!
23

Davie63,

Edinburgh 21/05/2008 13:05:57
There is plenty of evidence to suggest that all is not well in the community with regards to the sale of alcohol you just have to read some of the stories in the paper to realise this, however some people choose to ignore the facts
24

ddmc,

21/05/2008 13:17:37
"well qualified" how do you get trained for this job ?

 

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