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1

Howard Moon,

07/10/2008 11:09:51
Define irony.

Cllr Rust proposes 'express lane' for Edinburgh street. The same street that is seeing its pavements being narrowed to allow for a transport scheme he voted for.

Couldn't make it up, unless you worked for the EEN.

2

Mr Chris,

07/10/2008 11:23:59
Might there be a reason it dissolved after a couple of months on Oxford Street? Is it because it's a stupid idea?

Get back to work Cllr Rust!
3

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 11:27:54
Well, that confirms it - Rust really is an idiot. When you read the article, he's not actually done anything about his latest attention seeking-nonsense, he just "said he is considering launching a motion to councillors". Nevertheless, the EEN Newshounds lap it up like a dug returning to its own vomit.
Jason can whistle into the wind for my vote, whether it be for the Cooncil or his Parliamentary ambitions.
4

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07/10/2008 11:38:08
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5

Scotish Exile,

07/10/2008 11:39:48
why not knock down all the shops and create plenty of room for buses, trams and pedestrians, after all the shops on Princes Street are cr*p
6

The_Doctor,

07/10/2008 11:49:18
Will this be a combined bus/tram/bike/pedestrian express lane then?

The pavements are being narrowed to accommodate the Cooncil's tramset, and this numptie thinks we can now add an "express lane" into the bargain.

Utter mince.
7

Grumpy,

07/10/2008 11:53:38
Shop at Livingston - no trams, no roadworks, no parking fees, no hassle, no stupid ideas

May be the Chamber of Commerce should be working with TiE to create fast & slow lanes for buses on Princes St.
8

allknowing,

07/10/2008 11:55:55
"The unusual idea could also attract shoppers back to the city centre, with surveys showing that people are resorting to the internet just to avoid pavement congestion."

Nothing to do the the road works then!
9

Louis Catorze,

07/10/2008 12:06:59
The people on Princes St are kidding themselves if they think it will make the slightest bit of difference to their, or anyone elses lives, if they get to their destination 5 minutes earlier.

Stupid ideas from a cooncillor? We shouldn't be suprised.
10

eric,

lothian 07/10/2008 12:12:39
I dont have this problem ,ive been shopping in GLASGOW for 30yrs.
11

Saoghal Beag,

07/10/2008 12:18:35
but what about the prams???
12

JFW,

07/10/2008 12:27:59
Wow, he doesn't have much to think about does he? On the subject, even though folks say Princes Street is dead I was on it on Sunday at 4pm and it was absolutely jammed with folk out shopping. It is going to be a nightmare when they narrow those pavements.
13

Old Town,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 12:32:09
Will there be a charge for using the express lane?
14

Old Town,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 12:33:20
oops shouldn't have said that there probable will be now
15

Top Floor,

07/10/2008 12:35:01

Yesterday the EEN said that Jason Rust was a rising star.

With ideas like this he obviously does have a bright future .....
16

Wangi,

Portobello 07/10/2008 12:35:47
What an idiotic waste of time. Surely the folk involved have better things to think about?
17

The Barred O' Leith,

07/10/2008 12:37:04
Is this a form of human trafficking?
18

IainT,

Prestonpans 07/10/2008 12:37:19
"The congestion on UK streets is said to be so bad that commuters spend almost three-and-a-half days a year waiting behind slow-moving pedestrians."

Who is this said by? What is the source? Assuming 235 workdays a year, that's over half an hour an day in delays from slow pedestrians!
19

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 12:38:52
Where would pedestrians divert to while the express lane works were being carried out? And they must - you can't possibly do this without there being some digging up and relaying involved.
20

Big bob 79,

07/10/2008 12:39:59
Is this April the 1st?... They cannot get the roads right what hope have they for getting this right... and what about crazed pram pushing mothers do they get their own lane or will that just open up another can of worms?
21

malcyh,

07/10/2008 12:40:57
How about we get rid of all the beggars, tidy the street up and get all the shops open, and keep the charities from accosting us. Oh and if you want to get along a bit quicker try the opposite side of the road as there are less junctions to cross.Crowding is not the issue that people are not going along it, it is because Princes St is a tip.
22

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 12:43:01
If a wheelchair comes along, will a pram have to be folded up and carried? If not, why not?
23

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 12:46:05
Still, scope to create another regiment of cooncil jobsworth enforcers in TK Maxx anoraks; dawdling in the fast lane, speeding in the lane reserved for pinsioners and the disabled (but not prams) slowing to look in a shop windae without signalling; the fixed penalty notices will be flying. Huvty pay for the TramLINE somehow!
24

Mallory,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 12:59:08
Can't you just see the council run (via an arms-length company) Edinvurgh Pedestrian Enforcement Operatives complete with natty tartanised PVC coveralls, mobile phones, cameras and hand-held computers steaming round the streets.

Fines if you dawdle in the fast lane, fines if you speed in the slow lane. And the whole scheme filmed in HDCCTV and transmitted to a uber-controller at Waverly.

A great way to subsidise the trams
25

Unimpressed one,

07/10/2008 13:01:56
#17, There will be fast lane patrols and slow crawlers and gaupers will be fined.
26

Arfur,

07/10/2008 13:05:10
They should make Princes Street pedestrian only from the Gap in the west end to the topshop in the east end. Barring maybe the trams which should only need to take up the first 2 lanes of the far side of the road.
27

Boy Wonder,

07/10/2008 13:06:33
Fast lane and slow lane for pedestrians?

What idiotic lamebrain dreamed that stupidity up!!!

I have two words for this ... and the second word is .... OFF!!!
28

The Barred O' Leith,

07/10/2008 13:07:15
25. They can take the bus.
29

Duncan in Edinburgh,

07/10/2008 13:08:06
This is of course a silly idea. But what I'd like to see are some signs at bus stops, on Princes Street and on the Bridges, pointing out to people that at least part of the pavement needs to be kept free for people to walk down. It is a source of unnecessary stress for many pedestrians that the pavements are blocked simply because people don't think about where they are standing.
30

Vlad Tepes,

Snagov 07/10/2008 13:10:00
If you can avoid delays in the fast lane everyone will use that. Meanwhile I will speed by in the slow lane mwahahah.
31

Ctebe,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 13:13:18
Another poorly subbed piece: "First in the UK" / "Tried in Oxford St".... Duh.
32

Adopted Fifer,

07/10/2008 13:15:32
There should be a central lane for pedestrians. When I come over to Edin centre for shopping I am sick of being stuck behind the Dawdlers. Create a lined pathway banning all the Beggars,Charity Workers and all the smokers that we get hassled from.
33

The Judge,

07/10/2008 13:16:42
The possibility has been raised by Tory councillor Jason Rust, with transport leader Phil Wheeler today saying he is willing to listen to all suggestions


Jesus wept.

How do these people have the cheek to pick up their wages & expenses at the end of the week.

The city is slowly grinding to a halt and these idiots are talking about rubbish like this. It's beyond belief.

34

roadstohell,

07/10/2008 13:26:53
Well well, there you go the EEN missed the real news happening yesterday, "Sir Norman Wisdom visits Edinburgh - goes walkabout along Famous shopping street" when interviewed he said
"I'm here to buy a "jimmy hat", Edinburgh is the centre of the jimmy hat trade , you know"
35

Cod,

Leith 07/10/2008 13:27:22
Why not get TIE to dig a big hole. Then we can banish slow moving pedestrians to it for a year. Tram Sin Bin. You know it makes sense.
36

Cod,

Leith 07/10/2008 13:28:01
#41
You won't find love in a hole.
37

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 13:29:13

This is a good idea, but as you'd expect, it's not been thought through.

Fast/slow lanes don't take into account the variety of pavement traffic.

It needs to ne more like the Autobahn, likesay, with these lanes in descending order of speed:

6. Bicycles, skateboards, mopeds.
5. Runners, joggers, fast walkers.
4. Medium pace (office worker, local on errand)
3. Shopper pace (slow, but not too slow)
2 Tourist pace (slow, unpredictable movemments)
1. Ultra Slow - Foldable buggies, wheelchairs, people doing the moonwalk to Kraftwerk's Autobahn
38

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 13:30:10

#42 Robert Plant did
39

Brian Ferrari,

07/10/2008 13:35:35
What about a conveyer belt that people could hop on and off when they want? Or a double decker pavement with the fast walkers walking along a platform about 8 feet above the pavement (I'm allowing room for tall people and umbrellas)? Or an 8 foot high divider that would mean those wanting to shop would have to be on the inside and those wanting to build up a bit of speed would walk on the outside?
40

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 13:36:56
Well done everyone! Your remarks have given me a great laugh! Top marks to # 21 and # 22. I nearly fell off my chair laughing at your very witty comments.
Well done to the Evening News - I do hope they intended to be funny and this wasn't meant to be a serious article.
41

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 13:38:14
#45 - stop now, my sides are splitting!
42

Porty Pirate,

The Beach 07/10/2008 13:41:58
Absolutely ridiculous. Maybe we should all go on a diet just to make the pavement seem bigger.
43

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 13:42:07

Princes Street is rubbish
44

Brian Ferrari,

07/10/2008 13:48:38
You do all realise that the Cooncil will shortly be advertising for Pavement Marshalls at £20K a pop?

And you'll need a Pavement Permit in order to advance along this throughfare at £80 per year.

And if you are, how shall I put this, a 4x4 type of person, (ie FAT) you'll pay double.
45

THE BPRENTICE,

07/10/2008 13:50:06
to the tune of The Grand Old Duke of York:

ooooh

Young Councillor Jason Rust
He had ten thousands men
He marched them up the faster lane
Then he marched them back again

When they were fast they were fast
When they were slow they were slow
And why anyone took this nimrod seriously
Only god will know
46

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 13:52:56
What about the Royal Mile. My favourite topic! Any suggestions what lanes should be put in place here.
47

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 14:01:40

#54

A Gold Bros Tartan Tat lane
A Republican lane
Electrelane
Elaine frae Cowdenbeath
Dunkin Donuts
48

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 14:14:54

Kick out the trams muthaf|-|ckaz

Trams = 937 7A3 PhUx0r
49

NorT,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 14:16:34
Although I like Jason Rust this is a hairbrained scheme. Just push past the slow coaches using elbows if necessary or walk past tem on the road if it is safe do so so.
50

Skip McClendon,

07/10/2008 14:19:27
I notice in the picture that the "slow" lane is on the outside, nearest the road. Isn't that the bit that will be done away with the accommodate the tramline?

I think I have uncovered a nasty plot...put the pensioners in the same place as the trams? Nasty. Could be the Cooncil trying to free up money from the Personal Care budget though, I suppose...
51

James Collins,

Leith 07/10/2008 14:23:08
Or if you want to get from one end of Princes Street you can do what I and most people seem to do - go through the Gardens or go along George Street or Queen's Street (depending on time of day).

Have to say Princes Street was completely dead at 4am on Sunday morning. I blame the trams ;-)
52

Artemis,

07/10/2008 14:23:50
Will they build a special island for the silver statue man outside Jenners? And while we're at it, can we have the death penalty for people who go through a shop doorway and then just stop walking, and people who get off an escalator and then just stop?
53

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 14:51:19
I'm still laughing. This is the best ever.

#54 Will the folk in the Tartan Tat lane be wearing C.U.Jimmy hats?
Lovely! I can just picture it.
54

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 14:51:43

Why don't they build a special island for Antio's maw
55

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 14:53:58

#62 - yes, with blaring ghettoblaster playing karaoke Corries.

56

ouime,

glasgow 07/10/2008 15:01:24
why not have people on the shopping side of the street go west & the gardens side of the street go east! result, no congestion.
57

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 15:16:27
#65
Will your lot get a compass? Or perhaps distinctive hats.
Cowboy hats for those going west and turbans for those going east!

58

Decent,

07/10/2008 15:36:47
OhOh - you said Turban! I hope Lilnam or whatever she's called isn't watching.
59

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 15:49:53

#67 Are you being racialist about Texans?
60

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 15:56:28
OMG! here we go. Better give them all C.U. Jimmy hats - nothing racist about those, I hope!!!!
61

Decent,

07/10/2008 16:00:31
Aw naw - Sorry Joe - Ohoh you said Cowboy I hope that Linman or whatever she's called isn't watching.
62

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 16:10:27

#69 - it depends on whose wearing them, - if a ginger wore one it might cause a chain ginger reaction and the world might implode into a freckly gingerness

#70 - are you being racialist about people from Livvy?

"Ahm off doon tae Woolco for tae buy a pokey hat n aboattle o ginger pure so it is byraway"

Anyone mind the Livvy Drummers?
63

Dunaskin,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 16:11:31
Hmmm. I thought the problem with Princes St was that no-one went there cos there was no parking and public transport was s**te, etc....
I'd like to have OAP-free days!
64

Extra Strong Mince,

07/10/2008 16:11:52
This is the daftest idea I've seen since the trams.
And the city centre traffic management scheme.
And the Scottish Parly.
And the plan for a rail tunnel under the airport.
Edinburgh Park station where the trains don't stop.
Lothian Buses' pram and wheelchair rules.

Let's face it, this city is run by certifiable imbeciles. Who votes for these idiots?
65

Alice in Embraland,

07/10/2008 16:15:02
It doesn't matter who you vote for, you always end up with the place being run by politicians.
66

Decent,

07/10/2008 16:21:02
71 - Yes I am but I have to run there's a better story elsewhere and they've only jsut started deleting!!
67

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 16:31:29
#71 - you are being Gingerist!
#69 - you are being something ...ist - cant remember the word my memory is going!
#73 #74 - you are being poliglots or perhaps its poligamists oh..... whatever the word is for discriminating against politicians - 'voting?'
68

Decent,

07/10/2008 16:31:35
Ha - Very good Alice. As Billy Connolly once said - the ambition to be a polititian should disqualify them from ever being one! Or something like that.
69

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 16:40:31

#76

Not really.
70

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 07/10/2008 17:05:30
Would pavement cyclists be legally allowed to share the 'fast lane' with the high-speed pedestrians?

71

Confucius,

07/10/2008 17:11:23
What about rollerskating nuns?
72

roxymoron,

07/10/2008 17:14:22
does this mean i will need indicators on the shoulders of all my jackets for when i need to change lane?
73

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

07/10/2008 17:22:15
#4 -but its a minute well spent of your wasted life
74

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 17:46:44
#71 Anyone mind the Livvy Drummers?

I haven't tried those. Are they made by Bernard Matthews?
75

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 18:01:21
Oh no #84
Not roundabouts and traffic lights. We'll have to get a licence, do a theory test and God forbid an emergency stop. That is so stressful and where will the examiner slap down his hand??? No!No!No! not there - this is not Italy!!!
76

Lord Dyson,

Still on the Far Side 07/10/2008 18:04:18
...to finally reach the statue of Wellington in just under 20 minutes.


20 minutes isn't too bad for a mile. 15 minutes is very respectable indeed (4MPH). I suspect that the various obstacles you have detailed amounted to no more than a minute. This would bring you home in 19minutes - still not spectacular. I think if you chose the correct footwear and worked hard you could knock lumps of this time. Further, you would be travelling so fast you could just 'boomf' people out of the way...and perhaps into kerbside holes.
77

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 18:10:23

#79 Tramwerks macht Frei

#81 How about nuns jumping out of planes

#85 Jim Leishman, purveyor of prize poetry. Sorry, POULTRY
78

ikonoclast,

07/10/2008 18:14:16
I do not know why anyone is making a fuss about this.

In Comrade Brown's New North Britain we will all be made to march in step along Princes Street while he waves to us from the Scott Monument.

Any one who refuses will be dragged off and interrogated by Minister of the Interior Peter Meddlesome.
79

Josef Göbbels,

07/10/2008 18:21:00
"Tramwerks macht Frei"

Mein Trams
Kraft Durch Trams
Triumph Des Trams
Der Sieg Des Trams
Tramwerks Uber Alles

What a great new slogans for TIE.
80

Joe Smith.,

Berlin 07/10/2008 18:29:37

EIN VOLK, EIN TRAM, EIN REICH
81

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 18:30:53

The trams are sponsered by Heinz Beanz, with the slogan

"EDIMBURG TRAMZ - GUHTE FAHRTE!"
82

Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 07/10/2008 18:31:08
>43 : Joe ~ 2 Tourist pace (slow, unpredictable movemments)

You highlight a core problem of unpredictable movement.
Any right thinking person would surely support the mandatory wearing of orange flashing indicators for all pedestrians in the city centre. There could, however, be exemptions for sensible walkers, sensible walkers such as my goodself.
83

ikonoclast,

07/10/2008 18:35:22
92, good one, but it will end up as

Ein Kooncil, Ein Trambahn, Ein Verdamte-gross-geldwasting-kockup
84

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 18:38:26
# 94 'Sensible Walkers' - sounds like the healthy option packet of crisps.

Could be good in a sandwich with a couple of Livvy Drummers!!!
85

ikonoclast,

07/10/2008 18:39:56
And the TIE song is from Kraftwerk

Wir Sind die Armenrobotertramfahrers
86

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07/10/2008 18:43:49
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87

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 18:50:15
Sit! Give that a dog drummer, a couple of crisps or a BRATWURST.
88

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 07/10/2008 18:51:12

#94 I normally just kick them or play a percussive tune on theor napper with a Rothman's packet.

#97 Tramergruppenfuhrer Wilhem Gallagher ist ein Vukken Brustkopf


89

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

07/10/2008 19:02:50
Great idea! I'm sick of being held up by ditterers. We also need a single-file-only rule for waddlers.
90

Josef Göbbels,

07/10/2008 19:03:50
Mein Führer, I am having a wundershön idea for our new Vergeltungswaffen: das Trammensonderkommandozug!

Just imagine! Hundreds of yellow jacketed shock troops pouring out of these unstoppable machines to dig anti-car holes in the ground and push pedestrians into them also.

That will teach those skirt-wearing untermenschen!
91

Fido Dogstoevsky,

07/10/2008 19:31:37
Thanks Moira. Looks like a need a new home, though. I'm yours as long as you don't do weird stuff with me like Kirsty used to.

On Saturdays she would never feed me. Then if she couldn't entice a man back to her place that night, she would smear herself with Pedigree Chum and...

That sort of thing is pushing the bounds of canine loyalty, I can tell you.
92

Kirsty Boyd-Williamson,

New Town 07/10/2008 19:43:21
> 98 : Fido ~ Kirsty, are you still scunnered with me?

How could I possibly be scunnered with a cuddly mutt, even one that wants to 'service' my perfectly formed legs?
My own hound, Jasper, is incredibly intelligent but he isn't as proficient with the Internut as you are.
93

Dee Bauchery,

07/10/2008 19:59:37
Thanks Fido! I'm off to KwikSave for some dogfood and then its down to the dog pound.
94

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 20:03:01
#105 You'll have to ditch the buggy and get a Papoose. I'm still worried about the emergency stop - what is the breaking distance for Hush Puppies?

#103 No worries Fido. I'll have you neutered and they'll be no hanky panky. Just Sensible Walking in the correct lane! SIT!
95

Fido Dogstoevsky,

07/10/2008 20:11:58
Too late Kirsty, I'm off for a good sniff around that great ventral orifice you call Edinburgh.

Jasper, if you don't get your tea on Saturday, run like hell!

On second thoughts Moira, maybe I won't. A dog has to have some pleasures in life besides writing. Did I tell you I'm writing a new novel? It will be called The Puppies Karamazov.
96

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 07/10/2008 20:16:06
Good idea. Women are always telling us that they are better at multi-tasking, but for some reason they can't manage to get along the pavement in Princes Street without zig-zagging, stopping, suddenly waving and pointing without bothering about nearly taking people's eyes out and just generally being a nuisance.

I can walk along in a straight line at a good pace and see what is in the windows, why can't you burds do the same?!
97

Kay Y. Jelly,

07/10/2008 20:19:45
Because we're all thinking about how incredibly long dogs tongues are.
98

Douglas,

Bathgate 07/10/2008 20:27:34
#110 Lubilou: Do you hail from the Boston area Kay. I have an image of a bulldog chewing a wasp. :o)
99

MoiraMac,

07/10/2008 20:34:39
Too bad Fido! There's plenty grub chez moi. You may have been inspired to write 'The Life of a Great Dinner' Good Luck with your new novel. SIT!
100

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101

Douglas,

Bathgate 07/10/2008 20:41:04
My mistake, thought you had a sense of humour. Must just be the clown mask.

W.A.S.P.
102

Kay Y. Jelly,

07/10/2008 20:52:20
My most insincere apologies, thought you had a sense of irony. If you're troubled by wasps, you need my Auntie Histamine.
103

THE BPRENTICE,

07/10/2008 22:14:31
what happens to you if you walk slowly in the fast lane?
104

MasterXX,

07/10/2008 22:28:22
will you recieve a ticket if you pull a muscle in the fast lane :)
105

Just a tax payer,

EDINBURGH 07/10/2008 22:59:37
I would advise the incompetent councillors to consult with the TIE liars for this two-tierce stupid idea!!!!
106

THE BPRENTICE,

07/10/2008 23:57:52
#117 ... harsh!! I'd be worried if I felt like walking at a medium pace ... too fast for the slow lane, but holding back the fast lane. Maybe I'll need to get a skateboard or at least those trainers with the wheels on them.
107

THE BPRENTICE,

where's R P McMurphy when you need him? 08/10/2008 00:10:13
Seriously though, I don't know who to be more bemused by or annoyed at.

Cllr Rust for raising such a numbwit idea ... it failed when tried in Oxford street - so his idea isn't even original - its just a recycled bad idea.

... OR Transport leader Phil Wheeler for saying he is willing to listen to all suggestions. Wheelie and Twoolie - Megaman Phil should have slapped JR down, no not slapped - smited.

Probably the worst offender re the express lane to Edinburgh being a laughing stock is Graham Bell. You would expect a spokesman for the Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce to be a little bit more grounded, lets say; for him to describe a Princes Street express lane as a "fantastic idea"...means Bellboy is also off his chump.

At least Rust can have is metaphorical microphone faded out if the electorate don't vote for him - but the other two gravy-trainers need to publicly apologise for being nimrods. Somebody please launch THAT motion to councillors.
108

Mallory,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 04:32:19
Could someone from TIE or the council take a look at this strategy from 1940.

"The Roads Must Roll" a science fiction short story by Robert A. Heinlein. Google it
109

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 08/10/2008 07:55:16
Remove the so called beggars and the tartan tat and shoppers will return..
110

Slowcoach,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 15:07:28
Whilst some may be more than content to wander aimlessly down Princes Street being bombarded by the legions of charity muggers weilding clipboards and neon anoraks, or pausing to look into those oh-so authentic tourist shops, or having free papers thrust in their face, I prefer to get where I am going. And quickly.

Being stuck behind dawdlers is more than frustrating and if something can be done about it, great.

Councillors can't be expected to tackle huge issues; it's not in their remit. Leave that to Holyrood and let's not criticise a councillor who is at least trying to do something useful for the community.
111

simonp,

eh11 03/04/2009 12:26:16
what about prams disabled people on mobiles tourists red heads etc etc?

 

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