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Published Date: 21 March 2009
THE trams will initially lose millions of pounds a year more than expected because of the recession, experts claimed.
The lack of planned housing and office developments along the tram route in Edinburgh could severely dent fare revenue, they said.

Edinburgh city council might be forced to increase borrowing or put up the council tax, parking fees or bus fares.

One firm will oversee both the trams and Lothian Buses' operations. The tram service is projected by the council to lose £2 million when it starts operating in 2011, and then make a £1 million profit in 2012.

However, critics said the figures, compiled two years ago, painted a "pretty rosy picture" to ensure that the project went ahead. Some have estimated that the initial annual loss will reach £5 million.

They also pointed out that a string of developments along the 12-mile Edinburgh airport-Newhaven route, which would have generated significant extra passengers, had been shelved since the economic downturn.

These include housing in Newhaven and offices at Edinburgh Park. A source said: "The world has changed and these figures have been blown out of the water. The implications are very simple – the council will have to find more money. It may choose to borrow, but other options include putting up parking charges or bus fares."

Nigel Griffiths, the Labour MP for Edinburgh South, said: "It's worrying that we could face yet more cuts to vital bus services because of money being used to subsidise the tram project."

A council spokeswoman said: "The figures quoted in the business case for the tram project still stand. Any change to the figures would need to be reported to and approved by the council."





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1

Hmm ...,

21/03/2009 01:20:54
... OF COURSE IT WILL MAKE A LOSS! First, passenger generator locations were avoided to ensure a quick journey between the new developments at Waterfront and the city centre, then stops were made too distant for the same reason and now the developments are on ice for the foreseeable future.

Just where are the trams to get the pasenger numbers that justify the description "mass transit"? And therefore, where are they to get the income to let the break even?

It will either require costs to be cut dramatically by reduced frequencies or by loading up local taxation.

It must not come from Lothian Buses, which have been good performers although they are now struggling, largely because of delays caused by the tramworks, and likely to fail altogether is they had to subsidise the trams.

That really would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater!
2

Fi,

Edinburgh 21/03/2009 13:23:18
Dear number 1:

Grow up, wake up and look out of your window.

I note your location is unspecified, perhaps you are not local and therefore have no business commenting?

The tram will largely replace the existing, heavily used bus services which travel on an East-West line through the city. Capacity for more buses on these routes does not exist. (For data, request a FOISA report from TIE.)

The trams will run a higher capacity service, and a greener one - they will run on electricity not petrochemicals. Any "green" changes in our energy production will instantly be taken on by the trams. (Again, TIE can provide data.)

Compare this to a bus, which, over it's lifetime gets more energy inefficient, more polluting, louder, and just plain dirtier - you've witnessed the clouds of black smoke behind some buses, yes?

The trams will give a higher capacity, more frequent service to the East-West routes. If extended, they will develop a beneficial network to even more areas of the city and it's satellite communities.

This is a public service, and a public good, a fact many are willing to overlook in favour of political rants.

I live near enough to the proposed route to be affected daily by the works, but I emplore people to take note of the fact that by reaching the MUDFA agreement, TIE gave us one set of utility works, instead of 13... (Source TIE, Verifiable on FOISA request.)

MUDFA = Multi Utility Diversionary Framework Agreement
3

The Ghost of Sir William Arrol,

The Forthy Bridge 21/03/2009 19:43:06
#3 Alisdair. Trolley buses require tyres and tarmac roads to run on. The cost of tyres and resurfacing tarmac roads will shortly be prohibitive because of peak oil. The city will gradually have to return to cobbles and tram lines are a lot smoother than rutted poorly maintained roads.

As for spoiling bus services - not so. There will be through ticketing and interchange stops to feed services from many locations into the tram line. Yes it is currently one line, but Rome wasn't built in a day!

Edinburgh had trams for over 100 years and I'm sure the quality of life for citizens was greatly enhanced during that time. There's no reason to suppose that this new line will be any different. The world will not end because of it!
4

ARP,

Scotland 22/03/2009 11:49:40
".... an engine that moves in predestinate grooves ... not even a bus but a tram?

Has no one noticed that the the big investment is being made to ensure that the vehicles CANNOT leave their grooves to accommodate changes in the needs of the customers? No better demonstration of the difference between vehicles with two and three degrees of freedom. What kind of mind would elect to build a rigid system like a tramway when a flexible technology was already well developed - the bus?

The next advance will be a stationary tram - saving laying lines - in which people can sit at IT terminals and do their work and shopping without having to move.

The final breakthrough comes when we discover that the full life can be lived at home and that movement is wasteful of public resources, energy, makes pollution, causes accidents and anxiety etc.

How long before we need movement permits?
5

Myke Wylson,

22/03/2009 17:43:48
At least Nigel Griffiths has been on the job http://tinyurl.com/shaggingnigel
6

Cooncil Hooses,

Leith 24/04/2009 08:22:04
"Experts warn of higher early losses"

Eh!? Are you taking the mick? Look at how the one line that serves only Leith to the Airport. Who in there right mind would build just one line to claw back enough revenue to break even to the ridiculous cost of installing the dam thing in the fist place.

Most of Leith residents either have their own cars, on a sunny day walk up the toon, of take the bus. Who are the people who are going to the airport, and if its just ONE line. Who the HELL is going to wait for a Tram when you can get a bus every 15 mins or so!

Think about it! Its not Rocket Science. Just wait till your council tax goes up, and I ll be the one who said "TOLD YOU SO"!

 

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