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Published Date: 11 October 2008
TRANSPORT chiefs are hoping to make millions of pounds by selling advertising rights for the city's trams.
Two of the 27 trams needed for the airport-to-Newhaven route will be offered to marketing firms with a view to being fully wrapped in advertising.

Despite the economic downturn, it is expected that external and internal advertising on trams, as w
ell as adverts on the tram stops will prove popular.

Transport chiefs are also exploring the idea of installing digital advertising panels at a number of the main bus and tram interchanges planned for the route, including Picardy Place and Haymarket.

Lothian Buses makes around £1 million a year from selling advertising on its vehicles and, despite losing 19 buses when the trams get under way up and running, they are not anticipating a major drop in revenue.

Transport Edinburgh Limited – the company that will run the bus and tram network – today said it would strike a balance between the advertising opportunities and the branding of the city's new transport set-up.

But industry experts today predicted that companies will be lining up to take advertising on the £512m scheme.

Neil Renilson, chief executive of Transport Edinburgh Limited and Lothian Buses, said tram advertising would tie in with bus ads. "There will be a number of advertising spaces inside and outside of the trams, and it would be the same as the buses, in that there will be a limited number of full external advertising opportunities.

"As with Lothian Buses, it is important that we don't do too many, however, as it would begin to undermine the brand and would make the whole thing look cluttered."

The first trams are expected to be on the city's streets by mid-2010, when TIE, the council-owned firm building the tram line, will carry out trials, ahead of a full launch in spring 2011.

The trams are being supplied by Spanish firm CAF – which built the trains for the Heathrow Express – and will be among the biggest currently used in Europe, with capacity for 250 passengers.

Yvonne Seator, head of design and advertising at marketing firm Dada, said: "

"I think there will be a big desire to get in early, because there is no getting away from the novelty factor at the start."





The full article contains 390 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

bluehead,

edinburgh 11/10/2008 12:19:58
they will be needing it,for there is no doubt that the trams will not pay their way,there will only be a short while from the setting up the trams before we will find we will have to pay extra taxes,this is, and always will be, a tragic waste of money
Edinburgh will be known as the city that threw away millions of pounds for something that nobody wanted except a bunch of assorted trampots
2

Uncle Piehead,

11/10/2008 12:28:29
People who want the trams only exist on the internet.
3

NorT,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 12:33:34
TRhere will be a lot more than 19 buses lost when the trams start. That is just on one route, the 22.
4

Darty Leither,

on the right side of the tracks 11/10/2008 13:16:39
I want the trams and I'm real. Maybe the people you meet are afraid to own up to it as you are a radical anti-trammer with a scary glint in your eyes.

Yeah I know Edinburgh is a mess right now, 1 year old holes, a lack of planning from TIE and council about which bits they are digging up to allow people some sort of route around the city. And it is taking me double the time to get to work at the moment. BUT I STILL WANT TRAMS!
5

Uncle Piehead,

Moscow 11/10/2008 13:29:42
People with names like "Darty" only exist on the internet. you don't want the trams. You've been paid five bucks to post here. Trams are wrong. Nobody in real life wants them. Nobody.
6

Uncle Piehead,

gumtree.com 11/10/2008 13:53:25
Trams for sale.
7

Mallory,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 15:23:50
Hopefully TIE didn't put our money into Icelandic banks...
8

mystic,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 15:33:46
The money made from the ads should be used to help those who have been left out of pocket by the tram work.

www.SeeingEdinburgh.co.uk
9

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 18:41:09
Given there will be (a lot!) fewer trams running than buses, and that the tram route is less visible than buses from the airport to haymarket, reducing its attractiveness to advertisers, the probability is that there will be less revenue than they can currently make from the buses.

But don't let basic common sense get in the way of the EEN regurgitating more garbage from the liar factory at TIE.
10

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11/10/2008 20:19:32
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11

gus1940,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 20:48:00
Clutching at atraws.
12

Sas,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 21:55:16
#14 You sound like Sean Connery. You've chosen to live somewhere else but have to pontificate on what's wrong with "my humble city". Perhaps. like Sir Sean, you want Edinburgh to be kept as some kind of theme park for you to feel nostalgic about when you deign to come back now and then. Menawhile those of us who actually stay here have to live in the real world and face up to the city's 21st century challenges.
13

Sas,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 21:58:55
Can all the people who "know" the trams will be a disaster explain why pretty well every other city that has kept its trams or introduced new systems has made a success of them. Or is it just an intrinsic lack of self-confidence that convinces you that anything we try to do will be a flop?
14

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 11/10/2008 22:48:56
#9,GraemeH,agreed - it will take more than a few Tram-side ads for Ovaltine, Westons's Biscuits and BEA (well, the Tramoraks want to take us back to the 1950's, don't they?) to feed this ravenous White Elephant. The p.r. bimbo's in TIE must be working overtme - which is more than can be said for the bunch of useless layabouts 'working' on the streets.
15

tumshie heid,

11/10/2008 23:34:10
This will only help to recoup a fraction of the funds wasted in this stupid retrograde scheme.
16

Pumpkin,

11/10/2008 23:38:24
Transport chiefs are also exploring the idea of installing digital advertising panels at a number of the main bus and tram interchanges planned for the route, including Picardy Place and Haymarket

More irrelevant street furniture to clutter up already congested pavements. Talking of which...how much did the "Taking you to the shops in 2011" signs cost? And how much to remove once the trams are (hopefully) running?
17

JWW,

Whitburn, West Lothian 12/10/2008 00:24:12
With the bus services being cut along the tram route, is it possible there will be overcrowding on these trams at certain times of the day?

If so, should John West not be sponsoring them?
18

tumshie heid,

12/10/2008 00:46:54
Fred West managed to cram a few folk in a small space as well...
19

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 00:57:15
#17 Every single new build tram system in the UK has been an economic failure. There are no successes to talk about.

An if you take the time to do some basic research into the fundamental flaws of the Edinburgh tram you too should reach the same conclusion that this project is a disgrace and a money pit in the making and will join the list of failures.
20

Sas,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 14:09:50
#18
1. Whatever you think of Edinburgh Council, they will not be running the trams day to day, any more than they do Lothian Buses now.

2. You are being very disingenuous. I can't speak for Dusseldorf but whilst Amsterdam has wide streets, it also has narrow streets which cope perfectly well with one two-way tram line. As for Dublin and Manchester, their trams run on-street in the centre of town, as will Edinburgh's. West, beyond Haymarket, Edinburgh trams will be almost entirely off-street.

3. I agree flexibility will be a problem unless and until the system is extended and alternative routes are built. I would suggest, however, that whilst flexibility was one reason given for closing the system in 1956, the prime reason was an unwillingness to invest in a run-down system.

I accept the money could have been used more effectively on other transport projects, e.g. the South Suburban rail line, but the money is now committed and there is no clear evidence that the trams themselves will be a failure.
21

Sas,

Edinburgh 12/10/2008 14:16:36
# 24 How are you defining "economic failure"? If you mean they don't make a profit, that's not what public transport projects are built for. Public transport projects have a much wider social and economic benefit than whether they make a profit themselves.

As for your second paragraph, I ask for evidence as to why the trams are bound to be a failure and you give none whatsoever. I'm also interested to know what the "list of failures" is.
22

Julian.,

edinburgh 13/10/2008 00:06:56
GraemeH and RS,

Since when was the measure of success of a public service whether it made a profit or not?

I mean if you guys had your way there would be no London Underground, no public libraries, no swimming pools or leisure centres, no public housing. The list is endless.
23

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 13/10/2008 08:00:02
#29 An economic failure is where a project fails to meet its defined business plan objectives. No UK tram system has ever met these.

At the very least, a project of this nature should be able to cover its operating costs. The Edinburgh tram line will never do that.

Spending £700m+ on something which has a worse financial case than doing nothing and a massive negative impact on tens of thousands of people due to higher fares, poor route planning and impact on other bus and road users is madness.
24

Old Cartha Boy,

Leith 13/10/2008 10:49:35
Anyone worked out yet how tram passengers are going to get to the tramlines in the middle of the Leith Walk/Princess Street street without being knocked down? Such details remain missing from the latest posters.....
25

bluehead,

edinburgh 18/10/2008 12:41:43
well, cash better roll in from somewhere because the one that is certain is that the trams won't pay and the citizens of Edinburgh will have taxes increased to pay to pay for the biggest folly in the history of this city ,,so let us never forget who was responsible
for irresponsible waste of money,when there are council elections
what a heap....!!
26

Ivan D,

14/11/2008 01:29:32
I have not met anyone why wants the trams and each of them has not met anyone who wants the trams.
WHO WANTS THE DAMN TRAMS?

Also where has this money come from? A bank loan perhaps
I dont think the council has half a billion in a bank to pay the construction. Or half that or even a quater of that. So which bank loaned the money? At what interest rate?
Your taxes do not pay for things like roads, they are used to pay back the loans the council took + interest.

 

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