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Apology on the cards as police pup picture sparks warning over offence to Muslims



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Published Date: 02 July 2008
A POLICE force has apologised over concerns that an advertisement featuring a German shepherd pup could be offensive to the Islamic community.
As part of a campaign to publicise its new non-emergency telephone number, Tayside Police used a picture of a black puppy, Rebel, on postcards to be distributed throughout the east coast region.

However, following the intervention of Mohammed As
if, a Dundee councillor who warned police the image would "not be welcomed" by some communities, the force described the publicity drive as an "oversight".

Mr Asif, a member of the Tayside Joint Police Board, raised the matter on Monday after claiming the potentially offensive nature of the postcards had been brought to his attention by members of the city's 3,000-strong Muslim community.

Traditionally, dogs have been seen as impure, and the Islamic legal tradition has developed several injunctions that warn Muslims against most contact with them.

Mr Asif, a Labour councillor for Dundee's Coldside ward, said some shopkeepers would refuse to display the postcard.

He said: "My concern was that it's not welcomed by all communities. With the dog on the cards, it was probably a waste of resources going to these communities.

"People who have shops just won't put up the postcard. But the police have said to me that it was simply an oversight and they did not seek to offend or upset."

Tayside Police said they chose the image of Rebel in light of the puppy's popularity locally and online, where his blog has attracted thousands of visitors. The postcards were sent to every home and business in the Tayside area.

A spokesman for the force said he was unable to provide costings for the thousands of postcards, and that the possibility of pulling them from circulation was still under investigation.

He added: "Trainee police dog Rebel has proved extremely popular with children and adults since being introduced to the public, aged six weeks, as Tayside Police's newest canine recruit."

He added: "We did not seek advice from the force's diversity adviser prior to publishing and distributing the postcards. That was an oversight and we apologise for any offence caused."

However, a member of staff at the Al-Maktoum Institute for Arabic and Islamic Studies, a Dundee-based organisation which seeks to promote intelligent debate and understanding of Islam, disputed Mr Asif's claims that the image could be deemed offensive.

The staff member, who did not wish to be named, said: "In scripture, having a dog as a pet is considered forbidden, as they are considered unclean animals, and you must wash and clean after handling them.

"However, dogs can be used to hunt or farm, or even as guide dogs for the blind. I would not say a picture of a dog is offensive, but people have different sensibilities and different limits."

Osama Saeed, chief executive of the Scottish-Islamic Foundation, said Muslims traditionally regarded dogs differently from people brought up in western culture, and suggested that Mr Asif's remarks had been taken out of context.

He said: "It does not appear to me that Mohammed Asif has mentioned anywhere that Muslims as a faith group would find this offensive.

"This seems to be a complaint based on culture rather than religion. There isn't any Islamic basis for taking issue with a simple picture of a little puppy."

Ian Mackintosh, an Angus councillor and convener of the Tayside Joint Police Board, said: "The force has made it clear that it was an oversight not to consult their diversity adviser on this occasion and that there was no intention to cause upset or offence."

Mr Asif, depute convener of the council's leisure, arts and communities committee, was not available for further comment yesterday.

BACKGROUND

CONSERVATIVE Muslims have long-regarded dogs as unclean animals, but the issue can polarise opinion.

According to one hadith, a traditional story of the Prophet, Muhammad said a Muslim loses credit for one good deed each day he keeps a dog, and even said they should be killed unless used for hunting or protection.

Still, in another instance, Muhammad said that a prostitute who carried water in her slipper to a thirsty dog would go to heaven, her sins forgiven because of her kindness. The Muslim Council of Britain recently carried out a review of Islamic teaching on dogs, and supported their use for hunting or as guide dogs.



The full article contains 744 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 01 July 2008 11:38 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Jock MacSprog,

02/07/2008 00:10:45
we have gone totally insane. Lets just hand over the keys and all swear allegance to Allah. Dhimis one and all.
2

walter,

02/07/2008 00:12:13
Unbelievable absolutely unbelievable, I am lost for words, Pathetic totally and utterly pathetic.
3

Rosbrog,

Ireland 02/07/2008 00:18:48
Sentiment agreed, i was curious to read the fine print but it beggars belief if this has been the case. Its the authorities that sicken me in this case. Nothing better do be doing with their time!
4

ThomasP,

02/07/2008 00:20:06
"As part of a campaign to publicise its new non-emergency telephone number, Tayside Police used a picture of a black puppy, Rebel, on postcards to be distributed throughout the east coast region."

Get over it?

This is not an Islamic country and I highly doubt that an Idlamic country would consider putting the 'Westerners' a second thought in there own countries when they do what they do.
5

danbob,

02/07/2008 00:21:42
Ding, ding, next stop loopy land.
6

chippie lover,

dog pound 02/07/2008 00:51:07
All hail the narrow minded, ignorant intolerant minority who now dictate policy.
7

Ned,

Morningside 02/07/2008 01:00:01
This is not a good sign of the times. Surely appeasement is the key word here.

Why is this stupidity happening?

Pathetic, stupid, weak, weak, stupid, pathetic.
8

bring them on,

02/07/2008 01:02:21
Amazing.....
9

Tedz,

South of the border 02/07/2008 01:04:02
"would "not be welcomed" by some communities"...

I thought we'd finished with multi-culturalism as all it did was re-inforce separation; so the use of the word "communities" is divisive in itself. The story should just have said that Muslims wouldn't like the postcard, rather than add pc speak to the story.

No matter what, I still find it utterly amazing.
10

Grim Reaper,

02/07/2008 01:17:50
The next step will be that we will be banned from having dogs as pets because a minority find them offensive, that's when the doggydoo will really hit the fan because we Brits have always had a great love affair with our pups.
11

syntax,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 01:17:53
I think this country has lost the plot....puppy dog not okay but shariah law allows women to be killed, raped, stoned to death, beheaded and all the rest, but puppy dogs are a no-no?

When are we going to deport all these nutters to a country where all these things mean something.

If you don't like this country, its rules and culture then sod off to wherever. You are NOT welcome here.
12

Stuart W,

Dundee 02/07/2008 01:40:25
Seems that Mr Asif is out on a limb on this, if the report in today's Courier is anything to go by.

The report also reproduces the postcard in dispute:

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2008/07/02/newsstory11590817t0.asp

13

Canada,

Canada 02/07/2008 01:43:13
Has Scotland gone completely mad? Appeasement. Appeasement Appeasement. When in Rome do as the Romans do as I do in Canada. For God's sake get some element of common sense. You are standing for nothing, falling for anything. What happened to Scottish common sense?
14

bring them on,

02/07/2008 01:51:08
Are hamsters OK?

Normally most people find them inoffensive, and if the police had just taken their time to do proper research this whole fiasco might have been avoided, and with a nicer postcard into the bargain....

My choice would have been the Scottish Cup winning Rangers team photo.
15

2dogs in D.C.,

02/07/2008 01:54:32
So that would mean I'm doubly impure? 2 dogs you know.
16

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 02:12:02
11 . You have hit the nail on the head. Politicians are weak and feeble on this point because they know the PC brigade will finish their career if they speak out against it .... and that is a prime example of the tail wagging the dog and a good indicator of how eroded democracy is ....

It is lunacy, it is wrong and it is insulting to mainstream Britain than this noisy, sexist, racist, bigoted muslim minority get away with bullying us at every turn. Why should we pussyfoot about them pandering to their whim when they don't give a darn about us ?

Do you ever hear of the sikh, hindu, rastafarian, budhist, or christian community having such an influence on British politics ? Why is it that is it legal and acceptable for a muslim to slit an animals throat and let it bleed to death so they have their 'Halal' meat - whilst if a British farmer did the same to just one animal they would be jailed and if the ALF got hold of them even killed for doing such a thing --- it is brazen double standards at work and it is about time someone threw some water on the muslims fire and told them to get on with life here as Britons without any special dispensations or get out !


17

Fifi la Bonbon,

02/07/2008 02:30:12
The Dundee cops were wrong to apologise.

A picture of a dog, or even the slavering beast itself, is not really offensive to most Muslims anyway - certainly not the grown-ups - as several people quoted in the story have confirmed. But even if it was, and the prophet (pbuh) had said that any Muslim who stroked a puppy was damned to eternal hellfire, the cops would have been wrong to apologise.

It's a puppy, for goodness' sake. Many of the Muslim shopkeepers who wouldn't put a picture in their window are probably selling bacon, cheap booze and dirty books in their shops. The picture of the wee doggie isn't going to push them any further into the fiery pit.

As I hope the diversity adviser would have told them if they'd asked.

The diversity adviser would probably have told them that by faffing about and trying not to cause offence over a picture of a puppy they have made themselves look silly, and they've made the Muslims in their community look stupid.

They've given the racist bampots such as those who infest comments columns like this one - see above - an excuse to spew more bile. See the one at #16 who is whining about "this noisy, sexist, racist, bigoted muslim minority get away with bullying us at every turn."

The cops who actually made the decision to apologise need to spend some time with real life Muslims so they have the confidence to not jump when some Toon Cooncillor says "boo".

Woof! Woof!
18

Teofilio Cubillas,

02/07/2008 02:33:53
"We did not seek advice from the force's diversity adviser prior to publishing and distributing the postcards. That was an oversight and we apologise for any offence caused."

Get off your knees you pathetic excuse for a police officer.
19

Murray Mac.,

E. Lothian 02/07/2008 02:47:46
#17: No, comments above are not made by racist bampots as you would like us to believe. This puppy incident is only one small part of a very much larger picture comprising many, many 'so-called' offensive incidents like this which when looked at in total should give us all a very loud wake-up call. What's next? Pigs? Well, there goes those offensive pork chops, ham and bacon! Oop, forgot the sausages.

20

Fifi la Bonbon,

02/07/2008 03:05:48
You must be a very wee scaredy person, #19, to feel oppressed by a Dundee town councillor getting his interpretation of Muslim law wrong and by a nervous cop trying to do the right thing.

I personally believe that the twät-o-tron from spEak You’re bRanes (look it up) is being deployed on this website.

It's not politially correct to say so but kids today ae islamifyign Britain. Time to act: stand up and e counted. What do you think?!!!
21

Fifi la Bonbon,

02/07/2008 03:13:08
Sad but true! its the ethnic minorities, gays and lesbians complaining again. the PC Nazis are giving way to multiculturalim. Somebody should introduce zero tolerance.

Oh look. I'm not being racist but hybrid embryos are banning nursery rhymes. It is vital that we introduce zero tolerance. PS If you are offended by this then leave the country!!!

Cna't you see that Nu-Labour is using my wheelie bin! The silent majority must riot in the streets. This is just the first o fmany FACTS that the woolly-left have been ignoring for many years now!!!

global warming, climate change, no such thing, its just another TAX.. the bbc pretends it's not true but This country is overflowing with illegal immigrants, even the local chippy is run by poles. They are giving way to multiculturalism because they are foreign and it's what they do. Simple answer: bring ack hanging. I am furious about this!??

This just shows us th eBBC'sr eal agena.. its the ethnic minorities, gays and lesbians complaining agin. islamofacists are always complaining. The silent majority must riot in the streets. Soon this country will be majority muslim with a mosk in ever yvillage!!!!?!

I read about this in the Daily Mail! I'm not being racist but chavs are turning prison into a holidacamp because Britain is now under sharia law. Simple answer: speak English. Is it a tune too familiar from our media?!!!


And so on.
22

Statsman,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 03:17:51
Muslims that want to stifle our freedom should move to a Muslim country and do what want.

They don't intermarry, they live in their own communities and now they tell us, the natives, how to live? Get lost!

Hindus are exactly the same race but they have integrated and cause no such problems. They earn the same as white people, they don't moan and get on with it. On the other hand, there is this evil Wahhabist religion we never asked for acting like a cancer on our society. Look, I don't care what colour or race you are, respect OUR culture and OUR laws or LEAVE.

I don't care if you are white, pink, brown, black or green. Respect it - or leave.
23

Statsman,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 03:26:55
21 Fifi la Bonbon

No. The British people are NOT giving in to multiculturalism. It is the NWO filth at Chatham House behind this anathema. They want you to believe we are like this. We are not. No survey you ever do would tell you that the UK is full of dumb PC idiots.

The RIIA must go. We are not going to back down. You know who you are.
24

W Smith,

Middle East 02/07/2008 04:06:02
What does Salmond say about this?

Where is he? Hiding again then, eh?

Where is Duck Man?

First if was the Pakistani christian family being deported as they are not as 'asian' as the SNP would like while our Alex the Braveheart says nothing and now this.

BTW
Will the Pakistani muslim shop owners stop selling fags and booze then?

What about the muslim owned Cash and Carry stores?

Still selling booze then even though it is considered 'harram' (forbidden)?
25

Beth Boyle,

NY 02/07/2008 04:19:36
Oh come on. I can't believe this. Muslims need to get used to the Scottish Culture or go back to the old country! This makes me sick to my stomach!
26

bring them on,

02/07/2008 04:22:31
#25

Beth

Spot on, as always.
27

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02/07/2008 05:06:35
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28

Helene,

Ontario, Canada 02/07/2008 05:24:33
This could happen in other countries too. Don't be too hard on Scotland.
It is impossible to well versed in the tenets of all religions: the Muslim community is overreacting on this one.
29

Snuffy Ivy,

Somewhere else 02/07/2008 05:24:56
WHAT?????????????
We're having to compromise our culture to a bunch of foreigners?

If they don't like our culture, they can plant themselves somewhere else!
30

Kingston,

Singapore 02/07/2008 05:31:40
It seems that we are serving every culture but our own.

This type of political correctness will only create real tensions. It is naive in the extreme.

I think the decision makers should travel overseas to discover what the outside world is like. If you were to visit an Islamic country and tell them that part of their culture was offending yours, they would throw you in jail.

31

Jock's Away,

Africa 02/07/2008 05:32:05
Don't distribute the posters to the shop keepers, But a drive to check on tabacco and alcohol to minors is a good idea, or the display of materials categorized under the obscene publications legislation. May be the good Councillor will find just who and what is really an offence to the sensitive shopkeepers. Try loss of profit, or a visit from immigration officers. And every one will loved puppies.
32

Donart/NZ,

New Zealand 02/07/2008 05:35:24
Utterly ludicrous - Scotland is not a Muslim country. They should be pleased that they're living in a free country. Are they also offended by haggis and whisky?
Lets have a whip round to help them back to a Muslim country.
Oor Wullie and the Broons will have their flabber well and truly gasted
33

dba,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 05:53:33
OH COME ON... This is Political Correctness going nuts yet again...all Ethnic Communities have preferences and likes and dislikes... so do non-ethnic ones as well...but to object to a photogragh of a puppy - really does go too too far.

Such nonsensical complaining does the Ethnic Community absolutely NO GOOD WHATSOEVER...and, defacto, not only promotes ridicule and disagreement, proves how hypersenitive some people are. I have travelled throughout the world of Islam and seen many, many famillies owning dogs!


Had the councillor something reallyserious to complain about I would back him to the hilt - but this sort of thing really ys yet another case of crying 'WOLF' or, to be accurate PUPPY!
34

Michaela,

Canada 02/07/2008 05:55:50
Of course puppies are unclean. Don't they leave little heaps on the floor on your side of the bed, little puddles on the carpet. and what else can reduce one cushion to 45 little fluffy bits in 90 seconds. We love these little unclean mutts to bits and if anyone finds them offensive, tough. Puppies rule!
35

agatha,

02/07/2008 06:13:11
Perhaps this should be borne in mind when the councillor referred to is up for re-election?
36

steve 1511,

aberdeen 02/07/2008 06:20:31
do blind muslims find big golden labradors with wet noses offensive,and refuse to use them
37

Paraclete,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 06:22:25
This is going to far, the shopkeepers sell bacon which is a no-no for muslems also alchohol !!! they use the laws to suit themselves
38

john z,

edinburgh 02/07/2008 06:34:07
Clearly Muslim DO NOT want to become part of Scottish society.

The people at Tayside police should tell these religious nutters to mind their own ****** business. It is NOTHING to do with race OR culture. It is plain old religious stupidity.

What next, a law banning dogs from Scotland cause the religious nutters just don't like them. I don't like muslims, but I have to put up with them. Can't these nutters see how much they are alienating the people of Scotland.

Already in parts of the USA, muslim taxi drivers won't take you from the airport if you are carrying duty free alcohol, as apparently it is against their superstitious beliefs. How long before you can't get a taxi home on a saturday night, if you have been drinking, or a females skirt is too short. Best get your girlfriend to wear a burka.

This is a creeping process of Islamic totalitarianism that will not stop.

Dogs are liked in Scotland, if people don't like it because a magical man in the sky tells some religious dictators it's bad, then tough.

No wonder the BNP is doing so well.

This is Scotland, Fit in or F*** off.
39

john z,

edinburgh 02/07/2008 06:39:13
It is not an actual dog being sent out, it is a picture, I fail to see how a picture causes offence.

To Tayside police, please continue the campaign, we are not an Islamic state. Yet. Don't let these Islamo -fascists win.
40

john z,

edinburgh 02/07/2008 06:41:47
Number 21. this has got B@gger all to do with homosexuals, you dimwit.
41

Eckyboo,

02/07/2008 06:52:29
Pathetic, #11 I agree with you.
42

AVRENIM,

Montvalent 02/07/2008 07:13:37
How do Korean Muslims feel about this dogma?
43

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 02/07/2008 07:16:05
If M's aren't happy with Scotland, then why don't they go home?

If they find a dog offensive then how much more offensive do I find their attitude?
44

catgut,

pomona 02/07/2008 07:23:23
thank goodness i have a dog the religous police wont cart me off to quantanimo bay.
45

California Scot,

this side of Heaven 02/07/2008 07:27:25
pretty soon, the will demand that the school children be taught in their native language. then they will demand that the signs about town be in their native language. then they will begin to protest (even more) when their selfish demands are not met. they will multiply and be a blight on the country. they will overtax the medical and educational systems until they nearly break. they will sap the life out of entire neighborhoods, fly their homeland flags and in general demand that everyone in their new country become like them. not vice versa.

oh wait! that's California I am talking about......
46

Douglas,

Bathgate 02/07/2008 07:41:51
If the figure of 3000 given for the Muslim population of Dundee is correct and therefore a minority, is this not a case of the tail wagging the dog?

I suspect it's also a chance for a lowly politician to impress his mates with his testicular fortitude.
47

rural wifie,

Elgin 02/07/2008 07:41:55
I read in another paper recently that police dogs would not be used in searches of Muslim homes in the south of england because they would be culturally offensive. All these actions [and the reports of them ]do is harm relations between communities.
48

JayJay,

Right here 02/07/2008 07:49:11
This sounds very much to me like Councillor Asif playing to his local electorate, and demonstrating his strong Muslim credentials in advance of any possible election.
This actually wasn't a new one to me. I heard on the radio a couple of days ago that police sniffer dogs at airports were similarly unacceptable to Muslims!
Problem is, no-one bothers to ask the ordinary Scottish Muslim in the Overgate Centre. I bet he or she would think this was nonsense and, as ever, they are all damned by the reactionary PC bores who have set the agenda in the UK for the past 20 years.
This PC crowd must know their time is coming to an end. They speak for themselves, not the people they aim to protect. And I suspect every time a PC loony opens his yap, some black,asian,muslim, gay or whatever bloke shudders silently!
49

Nell,

The Preservation Hall 02/07/2008 07:58:00
Dogs are fierce animals. Use something more placid like a pig, or even a teddy bear.
50

Heather B,

Anstruther 02/07/2008 08:01:17
That councillor needs his head looked at - he's caused a whole load of needless trouble - what hey, it's Dundee city council - what changes! Wasn't Gorgeous george galloway one of them once?
51

Hermitage,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 08:04:23
Wonder what these ****** Muslims think about Guide Dogs for the Blind? Or Hearing Dogs for the Deaf?

Or the Andrex Puppy? Mind you, I understand that Muslims don't use Andrex or similar products so perhaps that wouldn't bother them.
52

Scotland to prosper...,

02/07/2008 08:07:37
Its not puppies you should be banning, its all religions..

and Dundee councillors who don't understand just what they do. By misinterpreting a religious guideline he has presented his community as a bunch of hard-line spiritual nuts. Thats great for bringing all cultures together....no really....well done that man..

Absolute tw*t
53

Dougie Douglas,

Brisbane 02/07/2008 08:07:50
This is tremendously unthoughtful stuff from Tayside Police.

I was recently in the middle east and when my host heard that I was Scottish he went to tremendous lengths to make me feel at home.

Within hours a crate of buckfast was flown in especially for me direct from Aziz's in Argyle St, it did take his wife several attempts to deep fry the mars bar properly, but the thought was there.

I taught them some songs from my childhood - he could't understand how the colour orange could be a dirty ba$tard though.


Later in the evening he offered me his virgin 13 year daughter for the night, I declined.

I felt as though I could have tried to blend in a bit more but my cultural baggage dictated otherwise.

I think we all need to think about what traditions and established views and beliefs that we hold dear that we can jettison to make our muslim friends feel more at home. They have travelled a long way and just because they actually live in Scotland does not diminsh the fact that they should be treated as revered guests.

The onus is on the host to make second generation guests feel comfortable

54

yockel,

02/07/2008 08:09:15
Seem to remember (circa 74) a certain restaurant in Lothian Road being shut down for selling canine curry. What has Mr Asif got to say about that?
55

Scotland to prosper...,

02/07/2008 08:09:26
Does this mean Snoopy is now in danger??
56

mr angry,

ayrshire 02/07/2008 08:12:01
This country is really going to the dogs, no pun intended. Time our authorities got a backbone and realised we do not want this type of appeasement , we are not here to pander to the whims of nutcases from other countries, if they do not like our culture they should go back to where they came from. You do not see this weak lily livered crawling to our culture in the craphole countries these idiots have fled from.
57

Anglofile,

02/07/2008 08:36:06
Shame on the Police, could they not have painted the puppy white in order to appease our muslim co-habitees.

Don't think so, 'cos the RSPCA wouldn't have been happy.

A better idea would have been to cover the puppy in a burka.................then no-one would have known what colour it was....................still, the muslims would have thought the police were extracting the urine then, so no matter what us whites do we are gradually becoming prisoners in our own country.

Does anybody else sometimes get the feeling that the UK has been kidnapped?
58

Alastair the First,

02/07/2008 08:36:15
As far as I can see there is absolutely nothing to apologise for. If people are offended by a picture of a dog, tough - but it's their problem and theirs alone.

Right up there with ridiculousness with that decision to pay homosexual soldiers travelling expenses to attend gay pride parades - at our expense. Maybe time we started having heterosexual pride marches...
59

Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

02/07/2008 08:36:25
I think this has probably been blown out of proportion...sure dogs are seen as being unclean (they can be cleaner than us humans)in the muslim religion..and perhaps a few folk objected but more than likely most dont give a stuff....

Tis not just money, tis religion also that is the root of all evil....

Anyroad if the article were true then the Police Service should answer to their stupidity...dogs you see, are a huge part of traditional British culture...up there with fish and chips and the Queen...and Christmas...

Oh and by the way for those of you banging on about "Go home"...I'd just like to point out...muslims have lived in Britain peacefully way before 9/11...anyone remember any of this anger being voiced before that?...to this extent?....no me neither..
60

Alastair the First,

02/07/2008 08:37:16
PS I fond it quite amusing that at the bottom of this page is an advert "Dogs & Puppies for sale". Really, Scotsman, how can you allow porn like that on your website?
61

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 02/07/2008 08:37:45
What you should all be worrying about is not what Muslims think of dogs, but what they think about you! To a devout muslim - a non-believer is lower than a dog. A person who drinks alcohol is lower than a dog. An unmarried woman who goes out unaccompanied by a male family member is little better than a prostitute; a woman who does not cover her entire body, arms, hair and face - is considered beyond the pale. What society would ever invite such a backward, fascist,murderous medieval 'culture' to set up a power base within its own walls. Welcome to the fifth column. They are out-breeding you and they intend to replace you. And Alex has just signed the papers allowing them to have their own 'fath schools' where young minds can be steeped in this evil religion.
62

Fifi la Bonbon,

You Could Not Make It Up. 02/07/2008 08:39:55
More from the twät-o-tron from spEak You’re bRanes.

lies damn lies and stistics all right-thinking people know that namby pamby environmentalists are preaching hate because our country is full already we must elect kilroy now. Its simple!i ts the ethnic minorities, gays and lesbians complaining again. envir-marxist do-goders are turning prison into a holidaycamp because they want to turn Britian into an islamic state.. Wake up people! put them in solitray for the next 100 years. We are all being had here!!! Aw diddums, I'm not being racist but communists are preachnig ahte, The only solution is to elect Boris Johnson as prime minister,Y ou heard it here first!!!!!in my opinion illegals are getting away with murder because they have given away our sovriegnty... The silent majority must bring back national service... Next we'll have pedofiles teaching our kids to swim!?! It's sad but true! everyone knows the human rights brigade are giving way to mutliculturalsm. A wise mano nce said put them in solitary for the next 100 yeasr. Question. its not politically correct to say so but the human rights brigade are using history to criticise the pope because they are pandering to foreign interests. Every British working man must Send them all back were they came from. I read that black people are peddling their lies! Every British working man must leave the country.. Shame on you .... I have been realising ovr the past few years that Guardian readers are allowing us to be swamped... Mark my words get rid of them... That would certainly cause a bit more care to be taken! The media wont admit that the human rights brigade are islamifying the countryside, when will this government bring back the cane, Cry ‘God fr Harry, England, and Saint George’!?? Sad but true! I read in the Sun that soft-touch Britain is getting freebies because they want to destroy the world. Nin ewords: get out of the eu and get our country bakc!!. I am very angry about this!. its not politically correct
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 02/07/2008 08:43:25
Do Muslims have sex dogggie style?
Is dogggie style sex to Muslims impure?
Are Muslims all born by Immaculate Contraption?
Where do police sniffer dogs sniff on Muslim women?
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Massive,

Not so great Britain 02/07/2008 08:44:57
Sorry folks, I must be having a senior moment, because the last itme I looked, this was a Christian counrty, not a Muslim one. I would like to remain in a Christian country and those who want to live in a Muslim one should move there.
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MikeyG,

Newcastle 02/07/2008 08:55:02
COME ON COUNCILLOR, GET REAL!!! This is NOT what you were elected for...Oh my Lord !!! What ever next (ooops, bet I get sued for writing "oh my Lord"........I thought councillors were elected to act for the people, is the the people talking? Do we get everything sorted if we disagree in his homeland..no, 'cos we DON'T EVEN BOTHER beinbg so sad..you wonder why people haven't any patinece with your like? What's the old saying? "When in Rome..."...and anyway, I've got black (am I allowed to write this?) GSDs...he'll be wanting me to paint them gray before I visit Dundee lol!!!!! Total bampot...
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MikeyG,

Newcastle 02/07/2008 08:58:21
He's Labour!!! I Googled him...I'm changing my vote now...and going to e-mail him to tell him to join the real world......
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bobwmac,

New Mexico/Stirlingshire 02/07/2008 09:02:58
I checked the calendar to make sure this really is the 21st Century. Allah was invented by Muhammed about 1300 years ago, and it's time these people had a reality check. Religions are a system of control, nothing more, nothing less; the Islamic system has been fine tuned to repress independent thought and like any dictatorship, the aim is to perpetuate the incestuous regime.

There is no place in Scotland, nor anywhere on this small insignificant planet, for such repressive irrationality. When faith replaces reason, the participants are not "culturally diverse" or any other such euphemism: they are dangerous.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

02/07/2008 09:06:08
I can't believe where this country is headed.. I read that the disrespectful youth of today is turning Britain into Britainistan. Come on bring back Hitler. These are worrying timse!!! open your eyes people the scottish are building mosks on every corner soon we will elect kliroy now wha tabout my right not to be murdered I read about this in the Daily Mail. can't you see that hybrid embryos are selling us out because they want to turn Britain into an islamic state.. when will this government ban them all. Next stop HELL ON EARTH!!! first things first. can't you see that the estalbishment is promoting homosexualism. a wise man once said bring back hitler. this is great britain... lets show it...!!!Oh look. lal right-thinking people know that so-called celebriites are giving preference to asylum seekers. Isnt it obvious? put them in a rocket and fir ethem in to the sun. what's it going to be - only you can choose!! it s sad but true did you know that council estate scum are peddling their lies because they are trying to cover up their mistakes the only solution is to speak english it s political correctness gone mad I have been realising over the past few years that the PC Nazis are tking our country away rfom us because they are barely human!.. The silent majority must close the borders now... What about my right not to be killed every day?!!!
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MikeyG,

Newcastle 02/07/2008 09:07:22
re 47#...maybe these people shouldn't get up to anything that gets them suspected of anything to have their homes searched in the first place...can't have it all ways..
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Here Today HBOS Tomorrow,

02/07/2008 09:19:28
Osama Saeed seems to be the only sensible Muslim! This issue should not even be addressed by the council. Until such times as Saudi Arabia and others respect non-Muslims and non-believers then we should not be forced to even consider any Muslim sensibilities.
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dick thornton,

sotogrande 02/07/2008 09:22:36
What about the rescue dogs that we send to rescue survivors in Earthquake disasters? Are buried Muslims offended by this, or does the injunction only apply to Muslims on the surface?
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Steve_HMFC,

02/07/2008 09:30:17
Is it April Fools Day or is this story for real?

Im sure not every single Muslim actually follows the very fine print of the Qur'an

Even if they did, they might agree not to have Dogs as pets but being offended by a picture of a dog. thats going too far

I like most catholics arent a fan of the devil, but wouldnt start crying if I saw a picture of him lol

Its stories like this that give the british nazis and others ammunition.. I might pop over to the Daily Mail website and see if they're carrying this story.. you can imagine the headline
"Immigrants/Refugees/Eurocrats/Terrorists(delete as appropriate) want to kill your puppies!"
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boxthejack,

Aberdeenshire 02/07/2008 09:31:09
Yes, Mr Asif seems to be over reacting. Yes, we're right to tut and roll our eyes.

But we should be heartened by the short shrift Mr Asif has been given by Osama Saeed, and we should not turn Mr Asif into the spokesperson for Muslim Britain just to give us an excuse to vent against Muslims.

We are particularly afraid of Islam because of a perceived threat to Britishness, meanwhile we lie down and surrender when the government removes the very liberties that make us British.
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Phil the Flooter,

02/07/2008 09:36:49
Im afraid when it comes down to it despite Dundee, Perth etc being large centres of pouplation, the attitude here can be that of a small parochial village. Tayside Police simply do not have a clue how to deal with certain 'minorities' so they make it up as they go along. And get it wrong.
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sc_uk,

02/07/2008 09:40:15
From The Courier:

One concerned resident said, “The story mentioned that Muslim-owned shops and convenience stores were rejecting the card due to the fact that it had a picture of a puppy on it and that Muslims found this offensive as they deem dogs to be ‘unclean.’

“Surely these cannot be the same Muslim-owned shops which have dog food cans and packets on the shelves and bacon and pork sausages in the chill cabinet with the pictures of happy pups and contented porkers beaming from the packaging?”

QUITE RIGHT!
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Capital Boy,

02/07/2008 09:44:37
and the minority are getting everything their own way why ?.....someone please remind me !
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Logie Almond,

02/07/2008 09:52:09
The phrase "cuckoo in the nest" comes to mind.
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Phil the Flooter,

02/07/2008 09:59:06
The Courier and the Press and Journal both run this story today however the 'Pand J' are one day behind simply rehashing the press release of two days ago. However the headline on todays Courier Front page says: OFFENSIVE POSTCARD PUP CLAIM DISMISSED..

(By one of Dundee's leading Muslims..)
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Phil the Flooter,

02/07/2008 10:03:06
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2008/07/02/newsstory11590817t0.asp
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Farmernot,

02/07/2008 10:13:11
#64 I agree......#75 spot on.......this country has gone to the dogs !!!!!
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oder,

Scotland 02/07/2008 10:16:08
I have to say that I have reached the stage were I prefer dogs to Muslims,the west goes out of its way to welcome, intergate,and in some cases gives preferential treatment to these people! everything in our society offends them dogs,teddy bears,film producers, newsppapers,writers...etc..etc

"Traditionally, dogs have been seen as impure, and the Islamic legal tradition has developed several injunctions that warn Muslims against most contact with them."

Wrong! anything not Islamic is see as impure/unclean!

How many Christian councilors in Dubai?
How many Jews in the councils ion Saudi?

Mr Asif and your fellow Muslims respect our traditions/culture and if you cant, then leave for a place that will allow Muslims to dominate all others!
It is your faith that preaches dhimmi`s may live as long as he pays the special tax and acknowledges the superiority of Islam.

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McWeed,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 10:17:31
So some sky fairy believers find dogs offensive.

I find it offensive that Mohammed married Aisha when she was 6 or 7 years old and she lived with him from aged 9 yet the Koran is still sold in Scotland.
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Chris,

Edinburgh 02/07/2008 10:19:59
It strikes me that this is purely about a councillor trying to make himself look important - at the expense of both Dundee Muslims and taxpayers. Some Muslim shops quite happily sell alcohol (not all), pork products and dogfood (most). Whether they feel offended or not, I do not know. Did the Tayside police diversity officer go and speak to shopkeepers before coming to his (expensive) decision? I doubt it, so now we have two people trying to look important - at taxpayers' expense. Incredible.
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Kansas Campbell,

USA 02/07/2008 10:20:11
My parents are Scottish and I have been saving to visit a brother in law and see the country for quite some time. All of the new wind farms have been a deterrent and now with the Scotland becoming a Muslim nation I think I'll just put on a beanie cap, watch Lawrence of Arabia and spend my money on a few tankfuls of mid-east gasoline.
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Guga II,

Rockall 02/07/2008 10:21:30
When in Rome, do as the Romans. If they don't like it, the solution is in their own hands, or feet.

I somehow can't see the likes of Saudi Arabia changing its rules to suit any non-Moslems. When I am in their country, I have to go along with their rules, whether I agree with them or not.

As for apologising to anyone for doing what is considered normal, legal and acceptable in this country, that is a joke.
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G,

Bridgefoot 02/07/2008 10:27:20
"Unbelievable absolutely unbelievable, I am lost for words, Pathetic totally and utterly pathetic." I agree. This is a non-story
One muslim councillor has complained about this! There is no plan to isue another postcard or withdraw this one!
No one else is bothered apart from the IMNOs on this MB! Utterly, utterly pathetic....
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 10:30:03
If these Muslim fanatics can't even bear to see a picture of a puppy dog (let alone their own women who they force to cover up with scarves and burkhas) then they are free to go and enjoy life in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. But somehow they seem to enjoy our soft-touch country instead.

The police should not apologise and tell any Muslims who are offended to grow up. I am offended by the Muslims taking offence at puppy dogs - will they apologise to me for causing me offence???
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winzip12,

Klein Meckelsen, Germany 02/07/2008 10:38:40
where can I get a job as a diversity officer? They never seem to be advertised.....
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 10:45:33
#90 Don't give these religious nutters any more ideas or they will be asking supermarkets to cover over the shellfish and bacon with tarpaulins next.
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Marcus Fenix,

The Valley 02/07/2008 10:50:24
Two words: AFGAN HOUND
If they don't like dogs, why has a largely islamic country got one named after them?

Poppies. Used in the production of illicit drugs, which I imagine would be forbidden to use, yet the same islamic country produces the worlds largest crop. Kinda hippocritical don't you think?

I'll tell you what I think: that some of these guys play their 'religion card' (in the same way that gay people play their card and so on) to get what they want. If there was no advantage to it - they wouldn't give two hoots about not conforming to their religion. In this instance Mohammed Asif has tried, and suceeded, in undermining the Police force and possibly even showing them to be racist. In the instances of shopkeepers selling alcohol etc. They want to make money so their religon falls to the wayside. The poppy growers: they want to make money so religon falls to the wayside.

How long?
Not long, cause what you reap is what you sow.
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bluehead,

edinburgh 02/07/2008 10:50:41
what next?no wonder there is large exodus from this country!
it is as well that the men and women who gave up their lives in defence of this country in the last war are not around to see what is happening now
this x-certificate government are the most evil pile of plonkers in British history
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Phil the Flooter,

02/07/2008 10:51:14
From the Comments here, Kr@p like this simply seems to drive a wedge even further between Moslems and the rest.
'Diversity Officer' should be designated 'Conflict/hatred Promotion Officer'
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 02/07/2008 10:55:08
Maybe there is a money spinning idea in all this: full body burkhas for dogs so that people out walking them won't offend any passing Muslims...
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Paris Loyal,

Paris 02/07/2008 11:00:41
No Ismlamic Country bans dogs.
The three most pious Islamic States (ok it is an example)
Pakistan has a Kennel Club
Afghanistan has an ancient and modern love of the hunting dog
Saudi Arabia has rules and regulations for the import of dogs and cats and innoculations required for both albeit Gurad Dogs (my wee highland terrier) and Hunting dogs (my wee highland terriers girl friend).

This story is laughable because Muslims are not offended by dogs although they might not clap them. This from having travelled in dozens of predominately muslim countries.

Away with ye Mr. Mr Asif!
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Conan the Librarian™,

02/07/2008 11:01:25
Councillor Asif is gettin' dug's abuse the day...
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Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 02/07/2008 11:07:58
Just do a picture of a muslim stoning to death a woman or even a terrorist blowing up people on a London Bus.....some part of the"community "would love this.
For God's sake just tell them to go to hell and stop cat footing around ( sorry for mentioning a feline there)
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Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 02/07/2008 11:11:29