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Published Date: 04 April 2008
POLICE have raided 100 cannabis factories capable of producing more than £60m worth of the drug for home and export.
MORE than 100 cannabis factories capable of producing nearly £60 million of a super-strong variety of the drug every year have been found in Scotland.

The Scotsman can reveal the alarming scale of cannabis cultivation in a country which has never
before witnessed large-scale illegal drug production.

It comes as Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, insisted he is determined to see cannabis upgraded back to a Class B drug in order to send a signal to young people that its use was "unacceptable".

But a government drugs advisory panel appears set to recommend that it stays at Class C .

In Scotland about 43,000 plants – mainly a high-strength variety known as "skunk" – have been recovered from houses, garages, and disused factories since south-east Asian crime gangs began setting up illicit production plants in the summer of 2006.

An explosion in cannabis cultivation has been witnessed over the past 18 months as organised crime, sensing massive profits from a previously non-existent drug export trade, has moved in after being forced out of England and Wales.

For an outlay of about £30,000, individuals can set up a cultivation capable of reaping more than £500,000 worth of cannabis every year.

They rig up high-powered lighting and watering systems in order to grow the skunk plants quickly.

Despite the high demand for cannabis in the UK, police suspect the operation has yielded so many plants that much of it is being exported into lucrative markets in Europe and beyond.

The phenomenon has alarmed police and prosecutors, triggering a massive operation to root out factories and causing a senior judge to take the unusual step of issuing sentence guidelines to ward off potential growers.

The trade is fuelling a growing human trafficking problem. A number of illegal immigrants involved in running cannabis factories, mainly from China and Vietnam, have been arrested since a Scottish police crackdown – called Operation League – began in December 2006. Some are locked in properties 24 hours a day in temperatures exceeding 38C as the bosses threaten to harm their families back home.

Detective Chief Superintendent Stephen Whitelock, head of intelligence at Strathclyde Police, said: "Within Strathclyde to date we've identified 70 cultivations and recovered over 35,000 plants. That equates to a maximum street value of £11million. More than 50 people have been arrested.

"Across Scotland we're talking over 100 cultivations and over 43,000 plants worth around £14million."

Each plant is capable of producing four harvests every year, meaning the 100 factories smashed by police would have created an annual revenue of nearly £60 million had they gone undetected.

More than two-thirds of the cannabis factories shut down by police have been found in Strathclyde, but others have been uncovered in towns virtually the length and breadth of the country, including Ayr, Thurso, Newmachar, Cambuslang and Livingston.

As well as the production of the illegal drug, police are extremely concerned about the risk of a fatality if a factory catches fire.

One officer told The Scotsman that the vast amount of heating equipment used to cultivate cannabis, and the fact that many of the factories tap straight into the electricity mains supply to avoid detection, meant it was "miracle" there have been no serious blazes.

Each factory typically uses around 20 times the power used for a normal house to grow the cannabis. The cost to power companies is thought to be about £2 million a year.

Police, who say the number of officers on Operation League fluctuates depending on the amount of information they receive, have been known to monitor power supplies and even use infra-red cameras in spotter planes to identify areas of unexplained heat.

Mr Whitelock said Operation League had been a huge success, revealing that most factories had been uncovered following tip-offs from the public.

"The main point of Operation League was to put it into the public arena, the threat of organised crime. We've had a great response from the public, speaking to officers and phoning Crimestoppers.

"The public are generally aware what to look for – that gives us the eyes and ears of five million people in Scotland.

"They've had a significant impact on those involved in this area of criminality. But it remains a profitable concern for those involved.

"They're using Scotland as a base to cultivate cannabis for a market elsewhere that has yet to be identified.

"Scotland is a consumer society for drugs. But we are now seeing cannabis being produced within our own shores."

He added: "We have identified the production sites, we have identified those involved in the manufacture and production of the plant. But there are obviously plants being cultivated and that is where our knowledge gap is: where do the plants go?"

Police believe the same crime network is involved because of similarities in electrical work and joinery they have found in their raids.

Mr Whitelock appealed to landlords to help stamp out cannabis cultivation, insisting they have a responsibility to check what is going on in their properties.

He said police had a "better understanding" of the problem thanks to Operation League. "But it would be naive to say there are no other cannabis activities ongoing," he added.

"The primary people involved are south-east Asian organised crime groups. There are many links also with indigenous crime groups," added Mr Whitelock.

Last November, Scottish judges were given tough new sentencing guidelines in an attempt to crack down on cannabis farms.

Lord Hamilton, the Lord Justice General, said the move was needed to tackle a big increase in the farms, warning that even low-level cannabis "gardeners" should expect to face between four and five years in prison.





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04/04/2008 00:23:36
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Resolutions,

04/04/2008 00:37:09
Usual service - one says one thing - the others say something different. Are you sure there is not something growing in Fife and Westminster? Seems a lot of contradiction around and something must be behind it all
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C.U. Jimmy,

04/04/2008 03:16:35
Look folks, here we have a much-needed new export industry set up in Scotland and all you can do is complain about it. It's time to wake up and smell the hashish.

By the way, that reference to 'south-east Asian crime gangs' sounds a touch racist to me. Where's the evidence? Press Complaints Commission’s Code of Practice, anyone?
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R.I.P. HONEST BALANCED JOURNALISM,

04/04/2008 03:23:48
This article is more full of holes than a soap bar smokers lungs.

1. Why would you grow in a country that employs so much resources, has heavy sea and border patrols and heavy policing. and a lot of this on this particular subject and then want to export it? easier in eastern europe or romania.

2. Why are criminals making so much money out of it? Because it IS ilegal. Prohibition did not work in the USA for alchohol. The policy only made dodgey people (mafia: alchohol and gambling)more powerful.

3. Why are lung departments in the UK filling up with 20 year olds? Because the dope is cut with plastic for the resin based varieties and SILICA(!) for the herbal to make it retain water. So as they can make more!

4. the article says 1 plant capable of 4 harvests? NONSENSE! only by debudding the plant very carefully and causing a lot of hassle will allow you a second shot. And you would probably be better smoking rope!

5. Canada has a 2 plant rule. This stops gangsters and terrorists making gains and diverting the money. A lot of canadians grow. The domestic weed market is nil on a sales value.A lot of MS sufferers are grateful.

6. Holland has decrimanalised it. They have not seen any increase in heroin usage. Infact the one country out of the 2 which has saw an increase is the UK, dramaticaly.

7. We need politicians too look at this seriously. Not using it as a moral trump card to pull out and play with every once in a while.

8. Smoking dope is harmful. Smoking any substance is harmful. However smoking ILLEGAL STREET WEED IS EXTREMELY HARMFUL.Mainly to your lungs. Psychotic illness is rare and down to the users make up and amount they smoke. But in all, less damaging than lung disease.

9. It is believed in Edinburgh the police have a 2 plant rule where they wont bother you if you only have a couple and strictly for your own usage. If busted you apparently get the plants taken and a very stern warning. Sensible proactive policing. What use is
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R.I.P. HONEST BALANCED JOURNALISM,

04/04/2008 03:26:02
cont.
it busting some snotty student because he has 2 plants in a cupboard. And is smoking it himself and sharing with a couple of friends on the grow? He is probably doing a publice health service.


I agree they should be targetting the big grows 15-40+ plants. It is mainly NASTY PEOPLE POISONING LOTS OF KIDS AND ADULTS.

A bit of tolerance on the home user would be good and certainly lessen the que at the door of the morgue. Lung disease is VERY NASTY.

It has , as a subject. Become the elephant in the room. Pragmatic approaches are needed. This drug is common in Scottish society and no amount of legislation is going to erradicate it's usage. We can however lessen the damage sand the consequent damage to society by health issues.

Every society will have people who take drugs, people who take drugs and grow out of them and people who dont abuse drugs or take them. Since the dawn of time that has been the case with alchohol for example. Now there is a damaging drug!How many pot heads have you ever seen abusing staff in an E&R at 3 am? Their probably at the 24 hour filling station buying lots of food and being polite and relaxed with with the assistant!

I am not saying it is a cure to all our ills however something has to be done by the Scottish Goverment.

I an ideal world we would all be perfect and not abuse drugs or alchohol. Unfortunately it isnt an ideal world and we arent all perfect.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 04/04/2008 04:02:29
It is a sad testament to the lack of entrepenurial skills in Scotland that we have to bring in "South East Asians" to build this thriving new export industry. I guess the locals where to busy smoking it to be motivated enough to start these business's.

But seriously, the harm to society caused by marijuana use is insignificant compared to the harm caused by alcohol. The problem for government is that they have not been able to think of a way to tax it if it was legalized. If someone came up with a way to get goverment revenue out of pot cultivation, Brown would be pushing to have it legalized.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta 04/04/2008 04:26:48
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KampungHighlander,
Jakarta
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Agree with U 100%.

Personally I prefer wild shrooms.
GC
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 04/04/2008 06:36:15
Making jokes about something so serious isn't that funny.

Of course the government is doing the reverse of what is really wanted: which is to sell all such drugs only through self financing and health-monitoring NHS clinics.

This cuts out the crime, the pushers, the prostitution and the contamination.
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Martha,

04/04/2008 07:01:24
The only reason that alcohol is a worse problem in our society is that alcohol has been around a lot longer and more people indulge in it. But the problem is statistical, not a matter of individual health. Individually, you stand a much higher risk of lung cancer and psychosis if you smoke marijuana than you do from a couple glasses of wine or two servings (1 ounce each) of spirits. So while statistically the damage done by people who indulge in alcohol is greater, to the individual, by contrast, smoking marijuana has a much higher chance of resulting in some kind of serious illness, to say nothing of the social results of drug addiction. AS is well known, marijuana is only the beginning for many people of the descent into the living hell of major substance addiction.
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!Ya basta!,

04/04/2008 07:04:55
RIP #4 and #5. Excellent comments.

Nothing else needs to be said except please submit your proposals to Scottish Executive as a draft policy for rapid approval.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 04/04/2008 07:24:08
#9

Your proposal could have many other benefits. If we insisted on "Fair Trade" Heroin and Cocaine it would deprive two major terrorist organizations of their major source of funds, namely the Taliban in Afghanistan and the FARC in Columbia.
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Dave from Barra ©,

Western Isles 04/04/2008 07:31:31
Yeah well, it's better than our current reality, isn't it (being stoned that is)?

After all, Scotland seems to be full of moaning faced gits touching on puritanical and Calvanistic. At least these poor saps can escape once thier days work is done.

Everybody needs a crutch of some kind. Whether it's booze, fags, religion or prescribed drugs. The first three are being condemed by the moaning faced gits, the last one hasn't becuase the moaning faced gits are all on presribed drugs so they can deal with thier current reality.

Let them get stoned, it cures what ails ye!
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Calum Crubag,

04/04/2008 08:52:46
Let's ban alcohol and tobacco first, then deal with cannibis. Will Broon's moral compass handle that? Or will money speak?
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Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 04/04/2008 09:09:34
#14 1. Banning booze created the Mafia in the US.
2. Adult people are fully entitled to take drugs.
3. Does a Nanny State really appeal to you?
4. I agree that freedoms come hand in hand with responsibilities, though. We must take responsibilities for our actions, drunk or sober.
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A Crofter,

Western Isles 04/04/2008 09:27:00
When will these stupid politicians realise that prohibition simply does not work? It doesn't matter whether cannabis is class A, B, C, D or E - people keep getting stoned regardless.

And just imagine the carnage in our society if we were all forced onto alcohol!

The official UK statistics speak for themselves; 40,000 deaths annually as a direct result of drink and one (allegedly) from cannabis!

That's why our politicians all rush to condemn an extra 55p on a bottle of Scotch whisky in the recent budget and senior judges call for the death penalty for watering dope plants!

Maggie Bean's crusade to reclassify cannabis is nothing to do with commonsense - it's more to allow his crony Jack "Teflon" Straw revenge for "Beardie" Blunkett's downgrading.

Will they ever learn?
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/04/2008 09:40:13
The reality in The Netherlands is that most coffee shops are patronised by young idiots , sad middle aged addicts , and tourists.

I'm not putting all users in this category. Many pop in , buy their gear and go home.

Cannabis has been effectively decriminalised in Germany and Belgium so theres not a great cross border market.

The key is moderation, and at least there is a modicum of Quality in the stuff you can buy here.

I was a regular smoker when i was younger , i guess its something you grow out of.

Theres a huge market in scotland for dope.

I'm almost embarassed to say the blatantly obvious - violence, disturbance and lives wasted because of drink in scotland and a general obsession with bevvy should be the main target.

This doesnt make dope smoking good though. It can be mentally addictive and youre no use to anyone at that point.
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/04/2008 09:43:12
If someone could invent good cannabis without ANY associated paranoia .. quids in.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

HIGHlands 04/04/2008 10:39:51
Martha #10.
Your post is so ill-informed and wrong on many points but lets start at the beginning.

“Alcohol has been around longer” - Hemp seeds have been found by archaeologists in China from settlements thousands of years ago at the dawn of humanity.

“Drinking Alcohol does not give you the potential for Lung Disease”. You do not smoke alcohol It is heart disease, liver disease, mental disorders. If you do not smoke cannabis then there is no problem with the lungs. Eating it has none of the damaging effects.

“Mental Disorders” – Most recent study shows no link hence the Drug advisory board recommendations to keep Class C. The truth is that only people who are actually mentally unstable and smoke cannabis become more mentally unstable. There could be an argument that some mental people experience the first intense episodes while smoking cannabis and drinking alcohol in their teens. But be sure they were always going to develop further mental disorders and there are many factors at work in a young developing mind and body as well as the increasing complexity of their lives that could trigger. More people die eating peanuts than have mental disorders from drugs.

“So while statistically the damage done by people who indulge in alcohol is greater, to the individual, by contrast, smoking marijuana has a much higher chance of resulting in some kind of serious illness, to say nothing of the social results of drug addiction.”

Cannabis = Happy, tired, slow, non violence, eating pies and chocolate, at home talking rubbish and watching star wars and pondering the universe, reading books

Alcohol = Most murders, most assaults, most domestic violence, most anti social behaviour, liver disease, heart disease, homelessness, many many mental disorders, destroys families, breaks up marriages, causes infidelity, etc, etc

“AS is well known, marijuana is only the beginning for many people of the descent into the living hell of major substance addiction” – Only in
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PurpleFairy,

04/04/2008 10:39:54
Wow Martha at 10 do you really believe that alcohol has been around way longer than cannabis? A man made chemical is older than a natural herb? Alcohol can produce naturally under certain circumstances but cannabis is a plant, plants have been here longer than humans.

If you can give me the per capita statistics that support your claim that a higher percentage of cannabis users have health problems than alcohol users please do show me them.

Your claim that cannabis leads to harder drugs is something that there is no evidence to support. The fact that some hard drug users smoked cannabis in the past does not mean the cannabis caused them to do it. I think you would be hard pushed to find a hard drug user who did not start on alcohol, so by your logic it is alcohol that leads to hard drugs.

I am not saying that cannabis use (note I say cannabis use, not all drug use, there is a major difference between different drugs) is a great thing but to say it is safer than alcohol shows a complete lack of knowledge of the facts. Having known alcoholics and "stoners" I find it quite offensive to claim that cannabis is more harmful.
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Allan(handofgod137),

04/04/2008 10:40:37
Broons comments are a desperate attemt to focus attention away from his government of lies, corruption and failure. In other words, it's a smokescreen. Just bite the bullet and legalise it.
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PurpleFairy,

04/04/2008 10:41:20
Lol Jock MacTamson 2 you beat me to it!
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yolanda,

04/04/2008 10:42:20


#4 - Excellent post.

The government and health services should focus on the real harms of cannabis and other substances, and work towards reducing them. Instead, the constant scaremongering tactics of the media and politicians, and the refusal of the government to accept the advice of experts, only adds to drug related harm.

The exaggerated headlines and obsession with "super skunk" (which is not widely available on the streets of central Scotland)completely overshadows the real dangers of the far more common low grade soap bar.

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PurpleFairy,

04/04/2008 10:46:50
Oops my last paragraph should have read "to say it is more dangerous" not "to say is is safer", kind of messed my point up there!
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Stu_R_20,

Edinburgh 04/04/2008 10:53:52
Will Brown once again defy people who know what they are talking about?!?! Twice in three days? The lords and immigration and now the docs and cannabis, we all know Joseph Brown will follow his own policy on this one.........
#10, a comical post from a red-neck
#19, the perfect remedy to the fore mentioned post
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

04/04/2008 11:04:08
I think the media approach has to change. It really does.

Lets take teenagers from the early 70s as a rough guide to when cannabis smoking became popular in the UK (I know , probably earlier..)

I'm pulling these figures out of nowhere i admit but probably at least 60% of Adults under the age of 60 have smoked dope at some point.

We're adults , we can make our won minds up. Ideally we wouldnt rely on drugs but we dont live in an ideal world. dopes preferable.

Can you imagine a world where hibs are sponsored by SUPERSKUNK BELLSHILL (rather than whyte and Mackay , and Celtic and Rangers have WHITE WIDOW across the chest ?

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Royalty,

04/04/2008 11:16:03
More mixed messages from a mixed up Govt.

Class C or not Class C? Class B? Good grief!

I have been reliably informed that the increase in "home grown" pot has put a big dent in resin/hash
sales/use.

This must have a detrimental effect on the criminals who bring the resin/hash into the UK. No bad thing?

Sure, clamp dowm on large scale illegal production but something like a 2 plant rule would be reasonable.

People will always have green fingers!


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McX,

04/04/2008 11:51:23
Drukqs are wrong, mmkay.
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McWeed,

Edinburgh 04/04/2008 11:56:15
Legalise it and tax the massive amount of money spent on cannabis every year. Adults should be able to decide what goes into their body.

Prohibition has never worked and never will work. Legalisation would free also free up police time, court time and free up space in the prisions for violent offenders.
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Memyself&I,

04/04/2008 11:59:56
Legalise it, control distribution - problem solved.

Next.

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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 04/04/2008 12:05:41
#30, my thoughts exactly!
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Calum Crubag,

04/04/2008 12:34:53
#14/15 - Rulersnotfederations...

Ever heard of irony?

Cannibis would be better legalised and controlled, well more than it is now. In terms of 'danger' then alcohol and tobacco are way more damaging. So, if it's a matter of 'morals', then we should ban them first. If not, then we should grow up and tolerate these things.
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Dorian,

Edinburgh 04/04/2008 12:57:15
If the government legalised it and took control they could be making Millions upon Millions per year and it would stop organised crime from making that money wouldn't it?
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An Beal Bacht,

04/04/2008 13:13:44
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/

June 9, 2004
Legalize Marijuana, Fraser Institute Advises
$2-Billion Tax Source: Group Says Move Would Seize Control From Criminals

OTTAWA - Marijuana should be legalized and then taxed like any other product, says a study by an economic think-tank.

The Fraser Institute estimates such a move would easily generate more than $2-billion a year in additional tax revenues.

All that would really change is that governments, rather than criminals, would enjoy the spoils, argues the study being released today by the Vancouver-based institute.

The potential tax revenue is based on the study's estimate that in British Columbia alone, the annual marijuana crop, if valued at retail street prices and sold by the cigarette, is worth more than $7-billion.

"Using conservative assumptions about Canadian consumption, this could translate into potential revenues for the government of over $2-billion," the study states.

"In British Columbia -- as in other provinces, notably Quebec and Ontario, it is a significant crop that fuels organized crime."

Study author Stephen Easton, professor of economics at Simon Fraser University and a senior fellow at the institute, estimates there are as many as 17,500 marijuana grow operations in B.C. alone.

Marijuana is widely produced and about one quarter of Canadians admit to having used it, the study says. As such, the broader social question has become not whether to approve or disapprove of production, but rather who should enjoy the spoils.

"If we treat marijuana like any other commodity, we can tax it, regulate it and use the resources the industry generates rather than continue a war against consumption and production that has long since been lost," Dr. Easton said. "It is apparent that we are reliving the experience of alcohol prohibition of the early years of the last century."

In British Columbia, indoor marijuana cultivation and consumption appears to be higher than i
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An Beal Bacht,

04/04/2008 13:14:39
cont ...

In British Columbia, indoor marijuana cultivation and consumption appears to be higher than in the rest of Canada, it notes. The most striking difference is that only 13% of offenders in the province are actually charged while that number climbs to 60% for the rest of Canada.
In addition, the penalties for conviction in B.C. are low, it said. Fifty-five per cent of those convicted receive no jail time.

While police resources are spent destroying nearly 3,000 marijuana grow operations a year in B.C., the consequences are relatively minor for those convicted, it says. The industry is simply too profitable to prevent new people moving into production and old producers from rebuilding.

A modest grow-operation of 100 plants generates $80,000 a year in gross revenues, and with production costs of about $25,000, the potential return on invested money is a high 55%, it says. It currently costs $1.50 to produce a marijuana cigarette, which sells for $8.60.

"Unless we wish to continue the transfer of these billions from this lucrative endeavour to organized crime, the current policy on prohibition should be changed," it says. "Not only would we deprive some very unsavoury groups of a profound source of easy money, but also resources currently spent on marijuana enforcement would be available for other activities."

Two years ago, a Senate report also urged the government to ends its prohibition of the drug and implement a system to regulate its production, distribution and consumption.
A federal bill that would have decriminalized marijuana use, but imposed harsher penalties on growers, died with the calling of the election.
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Hector the Red,

04/04/2008 14:27:32
Excellent posts!
I would only add that no-one has mentioned the medical benifits from marijuana. I was diagnosed with Ankylosing Spondylitis about ten years ago, in the common tongue, it is arthritis of the spine. As a result I could be laid up in bed for up to six weeks at a time when a bad bout comes on, with muscles spasms that you would not believe. A friend of mine who's mother suffers from MS and uses marijuana for her ilness suggested that I try it. I have been using marijuana for the past three years now and since then I have not been laid up in bed once. I don't smoke it but instead ingest it, usually with a nice caramel ice cream, so no danger to the lungs but not good for the old waistline. I would class my usage as long term and I really cannot see how marijuana can be linked to mental dissorders. I'm professionally qualified with letters after my name and I, or my collegues would notice any potential dip in my performance. To date, this has not happened.
Whether you use it recreationally or for medical reasons it should be legal. The government and press just want to stigmatise people who use it as being some sort of undesirables, where in reality we are just normal people working in normal jobs and living a normal life.
My only gripe is that you have to deal with some pretty dodgy people in order to get the stuff.
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Jock MacTamson 2,

HIGHlands. 04/04/2008 14:44:45
I have just got off the phone with my Mum and she has advised we with authority that injecting SUPER SKUNK makes normal people into a schizophrenic maniacs who are criminally insane and who once they get on the psychedelic trip they will never leave it.

At least now I know who David Cameron and Gordon Brown are getting their information from.LMFAO
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I do not think I have ever witnessed such agreement on the Scotsman comments section before. Who are the public that want it kept banned other than than the misinformed do gooders who have have all fun outlawed.
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Molz,

lithgae 04/04/2008 15:02:37
After all these years trying to keep it out now we're EXPORTING the damn stuff!
And the poor people growing it are safer in jail. We need to decriminalise ALL drugs so the criminals are no longer involved. Mind you, where would the lawyers get their money when so much crime at the moment is drug related?
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motherload,

MTmountain 04/04/2008 15:26:18
The best bet for the economy anywhere for speed of growth, ability to grow most anywhere with a little sunshine or heat lamps, and versitile product. Too bad the smokers of it turned this vital product into an illegal substance. Hemp is obviously a very helpful medicine! Did you know it also makes the strongest woven rope in the world. Very good for clothing! Ingesting it by smoking saturates the body so thoroughly the daily user becomes addicted by his or her own choice of abuse. Why must a useful product be banned to protect the greater public from the numbnuts who abuse it. Big brother watching out for those who refuse to police themselves. What is at the heart of man but a greed for pleasure. It feeds into our psyche and can cause a selfcentered seeking for it. When we forget our life should be more about others than ourselves, reaching out to illegal substances is a cry for help really. Society today is geared to keeping people honest because sadly most cannot be left to their own destruction...i mean discretion don't i...
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antifa,

04/04/2008 17:13:56
If skunk is the problem, why not re-categorise skunk and leave the rest alone?
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allan morton,

sin city 04/04/2008 17:54:39
3. Why are lung departments in the UK filling up with 20 year olds? Because the dope is cut with plastic for the resin based varieties and SILICA(!) for the herbal to make it retain water. So as they can make more!

Dae as yer telt
we know best

reminds me of when the polis stopped the sale of needles and syringes in West Lothian despite everyone having the right to buy them.
The result was smack users shared equipment in shooting galleries. It gave Edinburgh the distinction of Aids capital of Europe in the 1980's.

politicians will see it as an opportunity to look tough even though it will revert to what has failed over the last 40 years.

All this "skunk", I wonder where it is if it's not on the streets

does it exist ?
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SlyFifer,

California 04/04/2008 18:33:45
Here in Los Angeles there were, until recently something like 140 medical marijuana clinics. This product is legal in California to be prescribed medically but illegal at the Federal level. Therefore where there are busts of clinics it's the Federal government that takes the action, not the state. Recently in LA you can now find vending machines dispensing packets of marijuana to registered users, how convenient. The quality is therefore - regulated.
After decades of prohibition in the UK, with absolute no success you would think the authorities would wisen up.
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Conan the Librarian™,

04/04/2008 18:55:47
I smoked a herbal cigarette or two in the seventies, and sometimes felt paranoid.But I was acting illegally.

Was that guy with the short back and sides a squaddie on leave or was he in the Drug Squad?

Perhaps if it had been legal there would have been no paranoia.
I certainly don't believe hash is a stepping stone for hard drugs in itself, but having to go to criminal pushers to get some weed you would certainly get offered other drugs.
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Russell M,

Stirling 04/04/2008 19:09:15
Prohibition - Never underestimate the abilities of zealots in search of power.
If you want perfection, forget about it: wrong planet, wrong species, wrong spiritual plane. If you want reasonable behaviour, then behave reasonably, i.e.. the two plant rule. Let the Inland Revenue, Health and Safety, and the rest of the government bureaucracy get a hold of the trade and maybe they can kill it like they did "heavy" industry in the 1980s.
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Alien from Manchester,

Manchester 04/04/2008 19:41:37
I am not shocked by the posts which favour relaxation of drug laws. Comrade Salmond should listen. It is now LIT, abolish prescription charges, legalise cannabis, encourage growing these beautiful plants
indoors, outdoors, on the banks of Don and Dee in Aberdeen,and do that import people with skills from SE Asia (Comrade Salmond said Scotland needs more immigration).
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Ciderman 542000,

Forres 04/04/2008 19:46:26
Scotlands other growth industry is sectarianism.
Why are the Apprentice Boys of Derry being allowed to march in Inverness tomorrow?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7330034.stm
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 04/04/2008 20:23:05
#4 and #5: Excellent comments. I didn't know Canada allowed two plants for home use. As you said, this makes complete sense: it cuts out the criminals and prevents contaminated mary jane being pushed on the streets.

BUT I heard a friend of mine talk about a young man they know, who fell in with dropouts and smoked large quantities of dope from about 13 years old. However he studied hard and obtained a university degree, but his social behaviour is weird - like autism - he barely talks or relates to people and seems to live in a world of his own. I thought "So what, that might not be related to cannabis", until I was told independently about a relative of mine - another young man, who also smoked the weed regularly through his teenage years. I was stunned when I heard a description of his behaviour: identical to the previous case. He is entirely incapable of socialising normally, and gives the impression of having withdrawn into a world of his own. It also struck his family that his behaviour is like a form of autism. So beware: if you smoke dope regularly you may be damaging your frontal lobes.
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Caora Dubh,

Croit sheasgair 04/04/2008 20:24:50
#46 Ciderman 542000: So that something's happening in Inverness tomorrow.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 04/04/2008 20:26:40
"Scotsman exclusive: Growth industry Scots don't need"

I'm sure all the advocates of a police state run by nutters will agree with this headline.

Legalise it,
don't critisise it.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 04/04/2008 20:30:05
19 Well said.

"Cannabis = Happy, tired, slow, non violence, eating pies and chocolate, at home talking rubbish and watching star wars and pondering the universe, reading books

Alcohol = Most murders, most assaults, most domestic violence, most anti social behaviour, liver disease, heart disease, homelessness, many many mental disorders, destroys families, breaks up marriages, causes infidelity, etc, etc."

Ask any Policeman or bouncer if they would prefer to work with a crowd of space cadets, or a crowd of drunken beasts, the honest answer will be space cadets every time.
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Ard Righ,

The Rock Of Edinburgh 04/04/2008 20:43:06
Apart from another justification for the police state via banning stuff, the other reason the State does not like you to partake in marijuana, is because it does make you think in different orbits to the engineered material reality, Alcohol does the opposite, it has the propensity to make you forget.

Where is Bill Hicks when you need him?

Stay stupid America - keep drinking beer and watching television.

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tyson,

Severna Park 07/04/2008 18:40:43
whiskey has gotten me into a lot more trouble than cannabis ever did. Cannabis shoud be legalized, and folks should be able to grow their own, removing any profit incentive from organized crime.

 

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