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Laid-back approach is best for cannabis



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Gordon Brown wants to take a tough stand on drugs, starting with the regrading of marijuana as a class B drug. But, as Chris Marshall discovers, there are many doubts about his approach.
ALMOST as if it was imitating the effects of the drug itself, the debate surrounding the reclassification of cannabis has become increasingly hazy of late. The Government's drug advisory body is expected to recommend it keeps its current class C status, ranking it alongside painkillers and stress medication, rather than return it to class B with the likes of amphetamines.

That would once again require police to arrest anyone found in possession of the drug rather than simply caution them.

Gordon Brown, though, wants to upgrade it – a move he believes would send out a clear message that smoking dope is damaging to health and socially unacceptable.

Opinions on the matter are deeply divided, even among the agencies working with drug users, and mental health charities.

It takes time to cut through the haze, but after a careful study of the facts, a clearer picture does emerge.

The new report – commissioned amid fears about the growing availability of stronger "skunk" strains of cannabis – cites one important piece of evidence.

Significant new research from Keele University has severely dented the theory that cannabis use can cause schizophrenia. It has found that far from cases of the illness increasing in line with growing cannabis use in the UK in the 1970s, 1980s and early 1990s, they have actually fallen. The same goes for incidences of psychosis.

Concerns of a link, however, remain, with a growing consensus that the drug seems to trigger or exacerbate the condition in a relatively small number of cases. There is also no doubt that its long-term usage increases the risk of lung cancer, high blood pressure and infertility.

The other great fear about former home secretary David Blunkett's downgrading of the drug in 2004, that it would lead to an explosion in use, also appears to have been unfounded.

Official research suggests cannabis use has actually fallen slightly over the last four years. Although that is probably unrelated to Mr Blunkett's decision, the reclassification has certainly not led to increased problems.

John Arthur, of Crew 2000, an advice and support group for Edinburgh's young drug users, is convinced that keeping cannabis class C is the right decision.

"Cannabis must be the most researched drug in terms of mental health problems," he said.

"There're around three million regular users of cannabis in the UK and if there were associated mental health problems you would think it would come through a lot more.

"There's absolutely no doubt that it can make existing problems worse, but it's completely dose dependent and will pass when the drug is out of the system. There's no evidence that's been produced to show it actually causes mental illness.

"Cannabis is like any other drug, including nicotine, alcohol and caffeine. All of them have an impact on mental health.

"There's always been strong cannabis around, but people don't tend to use the same amount, in the same way they don't use the same amounts of stronger types of alcohol. They only use the amount it takes to get them where they want to go."

Others working in the field remain concerned about the growing perception of cannabis as a "soft drug", an idea clearly reinforced by the C grading.

Chris Denmark, a research officer at Action on Alcohol and Drug Edinburgh, said many younger users were ignorant of the drug's dangers.

"A lot of people don't even view cannabis as a drug – it's become almost accepted," he said. "We've got really quite a young population smoking hash and that's been going on for a few years now. There has been two recent surveys of Scottish schools and there are kids under the age of 16 smoking it. I do think it's a dangerous drug. Calling it a 'soft drug' is a bit of a misnomer. Over the last few years there has been more and more evidence of a lot of potential problems being stored up by using cannabis."

One of the ironies of the debate is that it will have no impact on the approach of police in Scotland.

Gordon Meldrum, deputy director of the Scottish Crime and Drug Enforcement Agency, said: "When cannabis was reclassified, the Scottish Police Service effectively made no change and the day-to-day reality is that there has been no change in policing style or stance.

"We still treat people found on the street with cannabis in exactly the same way. We still see cannabis as a dangerous drug and a number of recent studies have confirmed that. Cannabis is still viewed very much as a gateway drug – it's still the first drug that children and young people will try. We've a focus on cocaine and heroin, but we've never taken our eye off the ball as far as cannabis is concerned."

Given the latest medical research and drug use studies, it is hard to resist the logic that cannabis should be graded class C. Smoking dope is certainly a lot less dangerous than taking amphetamines, so from a clinical point of view C does make sense. The argument, though, is also about the broader message, as the Prime Minister points out, sending out signals to young people at some level about the dangers and acceptability of drugs.

But is there not as much danger of sending out confused signals about other drugs if we are to artificially raise the status of cannabis? Should drug laws encourage people to think amphetamines are no more dangerous than cannabis when they clearly are?

Our approach to drugs as a nation needs to be based on honesty and facts if the important warnings about their inherent dangers are to carry any weight with an increasingly savvy generation of drug users.




The full article contains 990 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 07 April 2008 9:56 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Drugs policy
 
1

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 10:57:54
Hit the SNP where it hurts!

They smoke a lot, particularly in the policy forming dept.
2

McWeed,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 11:13:07
Legalise it and tax the massive amount of money spent on cannabis every year. Adults should be able to decide what goes into their body.
3

Alfred E. Neuman,

07/04/2008 11:16:13
2 McWeedy

I agree.

Are you in favour of banning smoking it then? Just for use in cakes and so on?

Seems if every adult gets the choice then there shouldn;t be that pungent aroma in every schemie stairwell in Scotland.
4

Mike Partick,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 11:23:35
Another issue that is worth considering in the debate is the consequence of handing the trade in cannabis (and other drugs) over to organized crime. As with the prohibition in the USA in the 1920's, beneficiaries of this approach are criminal syndicates. It has been estimated that 70% of the income that organized crime worldwide receives comes from its sale of drugs. Given the anti-democratic nature of organized crime and in particular its rise in Eastern Europe and Russia we should consider this is any "cost-ebenfit" analysis of the so-called "war on drugs". It seems clear that people will continue to use drugs whatever the penalties, well let's look at ways that this can be removed from the control of criminals. This way we might be able to raise taxes on drugs which could fund the services users may need.
5

Helen,

07/04/2008 11:53:42
Cannabis should be a class B drug and those who use it should be arrested and heavily fined. The only way it should be used is as an analgesic for chronic pain. This should be carefully controlled and manufactured by a reputable pharmaceutical company. There is no reason for people to abuse their bodies with illegal substances.
6

The faithful=,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 11:55:49
I have no strong opinion for or against cannabis,but dont like working with anyone thats just smoked it before starting a shift,and there are many who do.If i had turned up for work smelling of drink ,for sure i would be sacked.
7

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 12:07:53
Oh for a government that would increase our liberty, rather than restrict it still further!
8

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 12:08:55
Oh for a government that would increase our liberty, rather than restrict it still further!
9

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 12:09:47
#5, > There is no reason for people to abuse their bodies with illegal substances. <

There's an excellent reason. Their bodies are their own, and they should be able to do what they like with them without interference.
10

Mike Partick,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 12:30:20
#5 Helen - it would be interesting if you could explain the logic of your position. For a start, cannabis was categorised as a class B drug from 1971 until it was reclassified in 2004, despite this the numbers using it increased many fold between 1971 and 2004. Interestingly, after it was reclassifed to a class C drug use actually began to drop. It may be an illegal drug currently but only became so in the second half of the 20th Century - why should those who want to use it be criminalised, particularly as its effects appear to be less serious than alcohol use.
11

Pazuzu,

07/04/2008 12:40:46
Freedom of choice.

It is merely a herb.
12

I still don't believe it !,

07/04/2008 12:44:04
So the emerging evidence that its use can lead to severe psychological problems, particularly in younger users, is to be ignored?
13

Pazuzu,

07/04/2008 12:51:19
12:

I don't know cos I can't remember.

Still a matter of choice, try comparing drinking related illnesses.

Did Queen Victoria have mental health issues?
14

Mike Partick,

07/04/2008 13:08:11
#12 - as the article points out cannabis is one of the most researched drugs in terms of mental health impact, and there is some indication that it does have a negative impact "in a relatively small number of cases". This is not much different from any other substance we can take into our bodies from people who have nut allergies to the likes of tobacco's carcinogenic properties. Substances aren't usually banned simply because they have an impact on a very small number.

15

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 07/04/2008 13:26:20
So Gordon Brown believes that cannabis causes mental health problems and that the solution is to jail the poor souls thus afflicted?

One wonders quite what the Prime Minister has been smoking.
16

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 13:38:43
#5 Helen. You sound like a fun chick.
17

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 13:40:33
I think it should be legalised.

But I cant rememeber why.
18

John Watson,

07/04/2008 14:16:22
"There is also no doubt that its long-term usage increases the risk of lung cancer..."

This is not so.

See this Scientific American article.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=large-study-finds-no-link&modsrc=related_links
19

World class concrete,

07/04/2008 14:17:31
#16: It's highly unlikely Gordon Brown has EVER smoked dope (he might understand the issue better if he had).
20

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 14:19:36
I cant remember what i was going to
21

THE BPRENTICE,

07/04/2008 14:30:50
I'm torn - I don't smoke ciggies and never have.

I always resisted smoking weed despite the majority of certain circles of friends, over the years, being very keen users....after at least ten years of not following the crowd, I tried it - couldn't really smoke properly and really couldn't master rolling the bloody things so after a couple of purchases, I didn't bother.

My observations are mixed about cannibis:
1. it will stop people going out or even speaking to each other = zero fun.
2. if you don't smok you are not invited = no loss..but its a shame.
3. long term users all lie about not smoking it anymore.
4. long term users very often suffer short-term memory problems AND they get super paranoid about nobody speaking to them (see point number 1)...despite them not talking to anyone else in the room.
5. drugs takers don't get aggressive, unlike bevvy drinkers - this is a huge point.
6. there is potentially more risks to health, mental or otherwise, that haven't been officially recognised YET.
7. the govt. could make a great deal of money by legalising - through tax of cannibis and an increase of 'munchie' products (usually vat-laden luxury goods).
8. the public would benefit from regulation due to harmful qualities being sold.
9. if legalised, the dealers will be 'pushed' out of the market.
10. decriminilaised - it will become uncool and will be seen for what it is - a pleasant experience to use while watching a movie of enjoying music (playing or listening to)...and other activities.

MOST OF ALL cannibis will stop people getting out and about and living life...it takes people out of their normal humdrum, which is only okay for short spells.

As Oscar Wilde says...everything in moderation except moderation itself....but to quote a mate who wisely summed it all up "its the @rseholes who shouldn't touch it". Never a more true word was spoken.

Personally I have always enjoyed walking into a room full of cannibis smokers and asking "is it me
22

THE BPRENTICE,

07/04/2008 14:31:41
cont...

Personally I have always enjoyed walking into a room full of cannibis smokers and asking "is it me - or is it hard to breath in here?" - yep, I might be my own man, but I've never grown up.
23

Lock,

07/04/2008 14:41:55
Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn’t the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit … paranoid? You know what I mean? It’s nature. How do you make nature against the law? It grows everywhere. Serves a thousand different functions, all of them positive. To make marijuana against the law is like saying God made a mistake.
24

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 14:55:50
God made a mistake?

Surely not. How could that be?

He's never done that before.
25

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 15:04:14
Your all making me feel a bit uneasy.
26

An Beal Bacht,

07/04/2008 15:04:19
5 - Helen, 07/04/2008 11:53:42wwrote:

"Cannabis should be a class B drug and those who use it should be arrested and heavily fined."

Helen - I've been a bad boy and need a good sp@nking!
27

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 15:13:14
Can someone please explain the picture above. I can't see it.

Helen, you would be good at that.
28

Miss H,

07/04/2008 15:21:46
Has there been any research into whether the classification of cannabis actually makes any difference to cannabis use?

I suspect it doesn't and all this debate about classification is therefore a bit pointless.
29

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 15:38:13
MissH

Would a different classiification make any difference to your use of it?
30

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 15:41:45
28 Its either a lamp or a naked lady.
31

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 15:44:21
Thanks TGMA, yes I see it now.

Its a naked lady.

Reminds me of my ex-wife.
32

The Spook in Leith,

Leith 07/04/2008 15:57:24
Somebody please kick this idiot out now. Broon is a buffoon high on drugs, get him out.
33

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 15:58:53
Im thinking about a baboon high up and on drugs wearing headphones.
34

An Beal Bacht,

07/04/2008 16:11:03
Country Joe and the Fish

Don't bogart that joint, my friend
Pass it over to me.
Don't bogart that joint, my friend
Pass it over to me.

Roll another one
Just like the other one.
This one's burnt to the end
Come on and be a friend.

Don't bogart that joint, my friend
Pass it over to me.
Don't bogart that joint, my friend
Pass it over to me.

Ro-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oll another one
Just like the other one.
You've been hanging on to it
And I sure would like a hit.

Don't bogart that joint, my friend
Pass it over to me.
Don't bogart that joint, my friend
Pass it over to me
35

Brawmaw,

Shandon 07/04/2008 16:13:15
Everyone who has made comments that are negative against cannabis use has obviously got on there high horse, not read the article properly and then asked questions and made comments that are already clearly defined above.
No. 5, Helen, you are the worst offender. Did you not get the point the police made about there being no change in their jobs when it comes to cannabis being class B/C? They never arrested anyone for personal use anyway.
Cannabis should be used as alcohol is. To relax and enjoy yourself! I have never been in a room where people are smoking and not able to talk to each other (No. 22), in fact quite the opposite! At least it doesn't make people angry or aggressive as I have witnessed on many an occasion whilst working in pubs. Alcohol has just as much of a detrimental effect on mental health as cannabis, if not respected and used in moderation. I just don't understand the difference. Except for ignorance, maybe.
36

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 16:17:50
Why DO young people want to take drugs when they should infact be out shägging everything that moves ?

Its always been a mystery to me.
37

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 16:18:34
* apart from animals and transport vehicles.
38

An Beal Bacht,

07/04/2008 16:35:55
37 - The Genuine Mario Antoinette

When I was young I did both (no not animals and transport vehicles).
39

An Beal Bacht,

07/04/2008 16:41:44
The neo-puritans have been encouraged by their success in banning fags from public places. They've now moved on to booze and grass. By the time they're done we'll all be living in monasteries, taking vows of silence and sexual abstinence, and praying for salvation. Hallelujah - we have seen the light.

Free the Herb!
40

Robert Mason,

Larkhall 07/04/2008 16:42:04
A hard line is required with drink (well done McAskill) and drugs (well done Brown).
41

An Beal Bacht,

07/04/2008 16:47:28
41 - Robert Mason, Larkhall 07/04/2008 16:42:04 wrote:

"A hard line is required with drink (well done McAskill) and drugs (well done Brown)."

Ah don't go in for coke mahsel Rab - but each tae his ain.
42

Mike Partick,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 16:57:17
#41 Robert - why is a hard line required and why should it be harder for cannabis than alcohol? Have you read the article?
43

Robert Mason,

Larkhall 07/04/2008 16:58:17
42

Nor me my friend but Presbyterian Scots such as the two I mention must stand up and be counted.
44

Robert Mason,

Larkhall 07/04/2008 16:59:37
43

Mike, the softly softly approach has failed dismally. I am immensely proud of McAskill and Brown tackling these evils.
45

TheScotsman,

Borders 07/04/2008 17:05:32
Some facts on Cannabis...

Does lead to other drugs due to contact with dealers.
Increases risk of cancer as filters not used in joints.
Decreases energy levels and dulls brain.
Cheap stuff is packed full of sh!t & chemicals.
Increases couch potato tendencies 100 fold.
Introduces teenagers to drug culture.
Turns the user into a fuzzy headed grinning erse.
Destroys short term memory.

Adults, do what you like, but I don't want my kids anywhere near it.
46

An Beal Bacht,

07/04/2008 17:05:34
Evil - Rab spies evil.

Holy Willlie's Prayer
1.
O Thou that in the Heavens does dwell,
Wha, as it pleases best Thysel,
Sends ane to Heaven an' ten to Hell
A' for Thy glory,
And no for onie guid or ill
They've done before Thee!
2.
I bless and praise Thy matchless might,
When thousands Thou hast left in night,
That I am here before Thy sight,
For gifts an' grace
A burning and a shining light
To a' this place.
3.
What was I, or my generation,
That I should get sic exaltation?
I, wha deserv'd most just damnation
For broken laws
Sax thousand years ere my creation,
Thro' Adam's cause!
4.
When from my mither's womb I fell,
Thou might hae plung'd me deep in hell
To gnash my gooms, and weep, and wail
In burning lakes,
Whare damned devils roar and yell,
Chain'd to their stakes.
5.
Yet I am here, a chosen sample,
To show Thy grace is great and ample:
I'm here a pillar o' Thy temple,
Strong as a rock,
A guide, a buckler, and example
To a' Thy flock!
6.
But yet O Lord! confess I must:
At times I'm fash'd wi' fleshly lust;
An' sometimes, too, in warldly trust,
Vile self gets in;
But Thou remembers we are dust,
Defiled wi' sin.
7.
O Lord! yestreen, Thou kens, wi' Meg --
Thy pardon I sincerely beg --
O, may't ne'er be a living plague
To my dishonour!
An' I'll ne'er lift a lawless leg
Again upon her.
8.
Besides, I farther maun avow --
Wi' Leezie's lass, three times, I trow --
But, Lord, that Friday I was fou,
When I cam near her,
Or else, Thou kens, Thy servant true
Wad never steer her.
9.
Maybe Thou lets this fleshly thorn
Buffet Thy servant e'en and morn,
Lest he owre proud and high should turn
That he's sae gifted:
If sae, Thy han' maun e'en be borne
Until Thou lift it.
10.
Lord, bless Thy chosen in this place,
For here Thou has a chosen race!
But God confound their stubborn face
An' blast their name,
Wha bring Thy elders to disgrace
An' open shame
47

zorba,

airdrie 07/04/2008 17:06:22
more people die in Scotland through alcohol abuse and poor diet than from drug abuse. So lets ban alcohol, sausages, bacon and tattie scones. Brown should get realistic and legalise it and sentence those dealing in cocaine and heroin to 100 years minimum,. The Police all know the main dealers, but dont arrest them. How can you buy a BMW or Range over at the age of 20 when you dont work. It isnt hard to work out.
48

zorba,

07/04/2008 17:07:05
that should be range rover.
49

Pazuzu,

07/04/2008 17:12:04
A little ditty:

Don't need no drink,
don't need no drugs.
Don't need no sympathy.

Sooner or later,
send me the bill.
For what's she's doing to me.

Operator, long distance lifts.
On the telephone.
Come tomorrow,
Come to grips.

With me all alone.

Gimme a bullet to bite on.
Something to chew.
Gimme a bullet to bite on.
And I'll make believe,
I'll make believe it's you.

The grass is always greener, especially in the Dam.

If you have tried it, or not in some cases.

How can you comment?

50

me150,

07/04/2008 17:13:39
Lock them all up, they are a bad influence and cost the taxpayer money.

Cannabis should never be legalised.

If it is then we are on a slippery slope as more and more illegal activities will be borderline legal.

On the other hand we could legalise everything and let everyone do as they wish, because it is their body, family, neighbourhood etc etc. Crap.......

It is illegal and should be treated as such, there should be no let up in enforcing the law. I am sure you will find that almost all of the people shouting for legalisation are users or just stupidly pathetic.
51

An Beal Bacht,

07/04/2008 17:16:23
51 - me150, 07/04/2008 17:13:39 wrote:

"Cannabis should never be legalised."

Why no?
52

An Beal Bacht,

07/04/2008 17:19:36
51 - me150, 07/04/2008 17:13:39 wrote:

"Lock them all up."

Let's start with those crooked labourites who take illegal donations from rich developers resident off shore.
53

me150,

07/04/2008 17:42:49
Get a grip
54

Methalions,

07/04/2008 17:43:32
32
gorgeousgorgieboy,

"Its a naked lady. Reminds me of my ex-wife."

Funny. It reminds ME of your ex wife.
55

Methalions,

07/04/2008 17:44:53
Cannabis

1: It affects short-term memory.
B: It also affects short-term memory.
Finally:
56

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 18:03:54
56
57

Brawmaw,

07/04/2008 18:08:22
Again, have any of you who are dissing cannabis actually read the article, or just the comments? Seems to me all the 'users' who are pro-weed have a longer memory than those against.
Each to there own, man, or take away the pubs to be fair.
I'd rather be a "fuzzy headed grinning erse" than just a dull erse.
58

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 18:18:07
to be fair 58 (and im pretty liberal) theres nothing kewl about smoking dope and staring at a wall or playing the same riff over and over again on a guitar.

Still , its human nature I guess or we wouldnt need recreational drugs.
59

Mike Partick,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 18:20:27
#51 me150 - lock who all up? I don't think the jails can cope as it is never mind adding the 3 million people who use cannabis - it is you that would appear to need to "get a grip" to use your own words. The drug that causes most social problems in this society is alcohol - violence by those drunk, as well as the health problems associated with it. Cannabis is a lot less dangerous - so why ban it?

60

Mike Partick,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 18:21:54
#59 - who said anything about coolness? People who use cannabis would just like to be able to do so without being criminalised.
61

Sally Kent,

07/04/2008 18:33:12
59 The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

"to be fair 58 (and im pretty liberal) theres nothing kewl about smoking dope and staring at a wall or playing the same riff over and over again on a guitar."

Bang goes my other hobby then.
62

me150,

07/04/2008 18:52:21
#60

Get a grip!!!
63

Mike Partick,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 18:56:44
#63 me150 - you seem to be suffering from a short-term memory loss or inability to express yourself coherently...have you been smoking dope by any chance?
64

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 19:07:03
why how about nah ive never trusted mustard.
65

me150,

07/04/2008 19:15:58
I really can't understand why anyone would want to defend the position of cannabis use. It is illegal, as we all know, and it should stay that way.

By being illegal it stops thousands more people trying it. Perhaps they are only damaging themselves by getting into a 'daze' and whatever else you want to describe it as but they also damage society etc.

If you cannot see that to be the case then I am afraid you have smoked at least one too many.

It doesn't matter what I, or you, say as we will never agree but let's find a middle ground.....

I say legalise it, and all other drugs, but let's tax it out of everyday pockets. Then when the crime rate increases by the users we should find some sort of severe punishment to dish out to drugged up offenders.....oh we can't do that, it would be too much like the futuristic movies where the population is so high on drugs they have no control and where we have huge 'prisons' where almost everyone is locked up.

I say again....Get a grip.

And I do not have a short term memory problem, its just that I need to speak to cannabis smoking plonkers in a very basic manner using short sentences and repetition....so GET A GRIP.
66

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 19:22:40
Its vastly overrated, and I say that as an ex spaceman.

Here in holland , its generally just a bunch of sad wee ejits and tourists. It really is, its not a national sport.
67

Mike Partick,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 19:32:50
#66 me150 - thanks for providing a more coherent response. I suspect that the only thing we are going to agree on is that it is currently illegal. The question you don't address is why should it be illegal. It is recognized as less dangerous than alcohol so why should someone who wants to use it - smoking, digesting, whatever - be criminalised for doing so. It would appear to cause little in the way of damage to anyone other than the user so doesn't create social problems in the way that alcohol does (as we can all see on Friday and Saturday nights in city and town centres up and down the UK). As I said in my original post this morning all that prohibition succeeds in doing is putting money into the pockets of organized crime.
68

Mike Partick,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 19:34:40
#67 - as I said to your earlier post (#59) who mentioned anything about being hip or cool - the issue is why criminalise people for using cannabis.
69

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 20:49:33
fair enough Mike. Id rather see it legal than booze but thats never going to work.

Its not a vote winner to legalise it, best to stay the way it is.
70

Mike Partick,

Glasgow 07/04/2008 21:30:03
Mario - I agree that it may not be much of a vote winner - except probably to the 3 million people who use it. However, I don't think it's best left the way it is. As I have said a number of times the chief consequence of leaving it the way it is, is to help finance organized crime. If you don't think that's a serious concern then have a read some time of Anna Politkovskaya or Misha Glennie's "McMafia: crime without frontiers". The other issue I also keep coming back to is why criminalise a form of behavour that has no obvious victims, other than those caught for doing something that is relatvely harmless and why waste valuable Police resources on something like that.
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THE BPRENTICE,

07/04/2008 21:46:26
36 Brawmaw,Shandon

When you wrote about people making comments that are negative against cannabis use being on a high horse; I hope you weren't referring to me, I'm 42 now and have been around friends who smoked since being a teenager, never had anything against it:

I don't know how strong your stuff is or how long you've been doing it but believe me its very true that folk get in their "bubble" and just chill out...very, very little intelligible chat...some mates could always hold a conversation but they were the minority.

On the whole, I would agree with you that cannabis should be used as alcohol is....in fact I would reckon alchohol is far, far worse for people's health IF they go over the score. I know bevvy has the scientific effect of thinning out the platlettes in the blood stream and therefore helping you live longer but if you blooder into it - its not too good for you, let alone the effects it has on a lot of people re wanting to fighting etc. In France etc they have the right idea because they drink they bevvy with their meal, instead of drinking to get hammered.

I have to stress that my main observation about cannabis is that over time it will steal your ability to get on with life i.e. just sitting in and having a smoke instead of getting out and about, getting qualifications, meeting new people, keeping fit etc.

I bumped into a guy I knew from school just before last valentines' day (we were both buying perfume for our wives).....this guy was pretty hardcore, he was a couple of years older but expelled from school 5 times (yes thats five times)...sensible guy now with kids, job etc. Mates of mine would hang out with him when in their twenties and I was saying about hash being a bit anit-social, if you weren't in the mix and he pointed out the paranoia factor of nobody speaking and everyone thinking they were being talked about.

I've heard it said that it depends on the state of your mind before you smoke - I think that's probabl
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THE BPRENTICE,

07/04/2008 21:46:49
36 Brawmaw,Shandon

I've heard it said that it depends on the state of your mind before you smoke - I think that's probably true.

One of my best mates doesn't smoke - he would have 2 puffs (literally) and became super giggly them super paranoid - it was hilarious. He even took a taxi from a flat at the top of Easter Road down to his flat in Albert Street...he was THAT freaked out!! hahaa! I still laugh at that.

Whitey man!!

BTW another good thing about cannabis is no stinking hangover...but another downside is that it impairs your ability to drive but stays in your bloodstream for at least a couple of days - I don't know how easy it would be to suss out from a police POV but if it means you can't drive for a couple of days after a smoke.....that would be a bummer for a lot of people - especially the ones smoking in the toilets on their break at work e.g. SKY television customer service folk and traffic wardens....just hope they aren't driving home?
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 22:05:33
My worse whitey was when i was travelling from Amsterdam to Paris on the over night train , i panicked and swallowed abuot 1/5th. Train inspector came on and I couldnt tell him who i was or where i was going. not only that but i was on a train to strasbourg instead. Got turfed off the train , stripsearched by a nonce and was told I was banned from LUXEMBOURG.

!st and last time Ive ever been in a country and I didnt know i was there.

Youve
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

07/04/2008 22:06:08
gotta laugh.
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P Robinson,

Edinburgh 07/04/2008 23:26:59
I think the best compromise would be to grade skunk and the stronger strains as Class B, then leave the weaker types as Class C.
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 08/04/2008 10:42:04
They need to get rid of the rediculous and un-neccessary ban on smoking TOBACCO before they even think of being "laid back" when it comes to smoking cannabis.

Morons. When are they going to start opening their eyes and using their common sense?
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RCI,

Lanarkshire 09/04/2008 16:11:59
37 Long Years of Costly Government Drug Policy.

Rhetoric: High Results: Low

When are successive governments going to stop whipping this dead policy and realise that drug prohibition doesn't work, never has worked and never will.

Class A, B, C may sound good in the seats of power but it means nothing to the drug user on the street.

Maybe if the politicians "inhaled" once in a while they would come up with more enlightened ideas.

Legalize, control, tax.

 

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