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Published Date: 26 March 2009
SCOTLAND'S addiction to drugs and alcohol is costing the country at least £5 billion a year – and ministers are not doing enough to tackle the growing problem, according to a new report.
An Audit Scotland investigation published today claims the level of drug and alcohol misuse in Scotland is among the highest in the Europe and getting worse, in contrast with other countries, which are reducing the harm caused by substance abuse.

In a damning critique of public-sector efforts to reduce the harm caused by alcohol and drugs, the report finds that ministers have failed to ensure effective treatment and prevention services amid a lack of clear direction and co-ordination.

The report says the Scottish Government has not set out what the tens of millions of pounds spent on drugs and alcohol services every year are meant to achieve, with ministers failing to enforce national standards drawn up three years ago.

This has led to a postcode lottery of services, with the range and accessibility of treatment varying across the country, without always being based on local needs.

"Although the Scottish Executive developed National Quality Standards for Substance Misuse Services in 2006, there is no national monitoring of whether they have been implemented," the report states.

"A different approach is taken in England where the government has set out and monitors a required range of drug services which should be in place and minimum standards of access."

It adds: "The Scottish Government has not set out minimum standards in terms of range, choice and accessibility that service users and their families can expect to receive.

"Spending decisions are not always based on evidence of what works or on a full assessment of local need."

While recent Scottish Government strategies have a focus on prevention, only 6 per cent of direct spending was on preventive activities.

The report acknowledges the SNP is addressing some of these issues. NHS boards have been told to spend an extra £24.8 million on screening and interventions to prevent people developing serious alcohol problems.

It also highlights the "added difficulty" faced by service providers of complex funding arrangements, with different sources of cash working to different criteria and deadlines.

"Drug and alcohol-related death rates are among the highest in Europe and have doubled in 15 years," the report states.

"This is at a time when indicators of drug and alcohol-related harm are reducing in other countries in Europe."

The report says that in 2007 health boards and councils spent £77 million on drug services and £26 million on alcohol services, although alcohol-related deaths, at 1,399, far outnumbered the 455 drug-related deaths.

The report puts the combined cost of drugs and alcohol misuse at just under £5 billion – £2.6 billion for drugs and £2.25 billion for alcohol – but says that figure is likely to underestimate the actual bill.

It recommends the Scottish Government sets minimum standards for drug and alcohol services, and clarifies what different agencies are responsible for delivering.

Robert Black, the Auditor General for Scotland, said drug and alcohol misuse was a "significant and worsening problem in Scotland".

"The range of services for people in need of help can depend on where they live, and there is not enough information about the effectiveness of these services," he said.

Annabel Goldie, the Scottish Tory leader, called on First Minister Alex Salmond to make a statement before MSPs and demanded a major drugs summit as "soon as possible".

"This report came about as a result of Scottish Conservative pressure in the 2008 budget. We suspected there was chaos in how funding streams were directed towards addressing addiction.

"The horrific truth has now been exposed and I am shocked at the sheer scale of the drugs and alcohol problem in Scotland."

Labour's Cathy Jamieson said: "I am particularly concerned that Audit Scotland's report states that the Scottish Government is not funding services in the most effective way as they have no way of measuring performance.

"This is completely unacceptable and must change."

Robert Brown, for the Liberal Democrats, said: "It simply doesn't make sense that only a third as much money is spent treating alcohol abuse as treating drug abuse."

A Scottish Government spokesman said the administration had asked for the report and welcomed its findings.

"It details the system we inherited from the previous administration," said the spokesman.

Dave Liddell: We need to invest in communities to break the cycle of abuse

THE Audit Scotland report highlights a number of important issues that many of us in the field have been flagging up for quite some time, as indeed have government administrations over the years.

There are enormous issues around substance use, which are evolving and changing. Compared, for example, with health where disease patterns may slowly change in a fairly predictable way, the nature and extent of drug and even alcohol use has changed very quickly.

In this context, the planning of services has been reactive. The problem is vast and linked to underlying and endemic problems of poverty and deprivation and responses are required from a multiplicity of agencies – enforcement, health, education, social services, housing, welfare agencies to name a few. There is also a one-size-fits-all character to much service provision. The provision of even this service is geographically patchy, but it is almost uniformly unsatisfactory. We need to have consistent high standards across the country.

The National Standards form a basis on which good service provision could be delivered. So we can do better to improve the quality and range of treatment and care services to ensure that they more closely match the needs of those with problems.

But it's also important that we are realistic in terms of what treatment and care can deliver. As the Audit Scotland report states, the cost to Scottish society of drug and alcohol problems is £5 billion and much of the financial response to the problem is reactive in nature – from enforcement to removing children into local authority care.

We need to be investing in those communities most ravaged by drugs and alcohol to break the cycle so the progression of problems from one generation to the next is halted, or at least substantially reduced. That will pose huge challenges for public policy in terms of its focus and spending choices, but it is strikingly clear that the status quo is not an option.

We have got to stop going down the road of just seeing problem drug use as an individual's personal failing. We need to start asking questions about wider society's responsibilities for creating the structures which allow problem drug use to flourish.

• Dave Liddell is director of the Scottish Drugs Forum, a drugs policy and information umbrella group


The full article contains 1135 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 25 March 2009 11:49 PM
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1

Dark Lochnagar,

Symington 26/03/2009 00:19:40
It seems to me that it is only the SNP who are trying to do something about alchohol abuse. Voted against FOR POLITICAL REASONS, by the Unionist parties. Maybe they should come together and try to change the attitudes to drink in this country.
2

Anonym,

26/03/2009 01:28:05
With regards to Dave Liddell's comment, I'm not convinced that society actively creates, "structures which allow problem drug use to flourish"... but I appreciate the suggestion that not all drug use is necessarily problematic!

Investing in communities... this should be happening anyway, regardless of what the drugs stats say.

Goldie is always blethering on about tackling drugs, but she has no useful suggestions for how to go about it.

By the way, those expensive anti-drugs campaigns probably encourage more people to give drugs a go, than would otherwise.

Governments should be about looking after the economy, creating opportunities and a good standard of living for as many people as possible, not letting everything become 'crubbish', and then giving us all this patronising and supposedley factual information about how drugs are no fun.
3

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/03/2009 01:39:21

The more one makes,..'UTTER STUPID' Proposal's of legislations to Ban a Product such as Alcohol and Cigarette's, the more determined are the ones that use and depend on them, will go further out their way to find them and indeed, be pleased of their achievement's of,...'Getting the better of the State'! and the fools that run our State!, on advice of knowing what they think, is best for us,....'NOT'!

I have said it before, and I will say it Again!!

"The More one Bans a Product, The more One will use It!"

#1 Dark Lochnagar, The SNP, have no idea on this issue, and only act like Children, with bulling tactics, that are not only Stupid, but utterly beyond believe, of any intelligence!

4

Hamish MacBeth,

NZ 26/03/2009 01:39:29
"The report acknowledges the SNP is addressing some of these issues. NHS boards have been told to spend an extra £24.8 million on screening and interventions to prevent people developing serious alcohol problems"

But when the SNP want to do something about the booze, it's attacked by Unionist scum.
5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 26/03/2009 01:50:52

Hamish MacBeth ~4,

So with your theory on topic of the SNP, you agree of the 'super taxing' of chocolate?

Do you actually believe, we are all going to stop eating chocolate?

Anything you say Mr Salmond,....'AS-IF'!!!!

More the likes,,,....

,,,...'STICK IT WHERE, THE SUN DON'T SHINE'!!!

And this is where, idiocies start to show of their policy makings, and end up with News articles, such as this one!





6

Anonym,

26/03/2009 02:33:43
Charles! Nobody believes anybody is going to stop eating chocolate if that is not what they want.

But if you want to protest against chocolate taxation, then NOT buying chocolate is the way to go about it.

Besides, I think 'problem drug use' is actually code for heroin addiction.
7

!Ya basta!,

26/03/2009 02:35:53
It's clear the public sector must take the lead here and that they have done a poor job so far, and the critical point has already been made about investing in communities.

But there are two other sectors that need to take responsibility too.

Firstly, the private sector. Drinks companies (which are the drug pushers here) and pubs (the dealers) need to be controlled (they will never self regulate).

The broader issue of rolling back the state by sub-contracting public services to private companies and the destruction of small local business economy by large national and multi-national companies has led to the massive erosion of communities. This leads to not only bad living conditions but social exclusion and isolation which then provides conditions for drug and alcohol abuse to explode.

Finally, as a people we need to take some individual, family and social responsibility for our own attitudes and behaviours. Again as pointed out, excessive drinking is seen as being cool or socially acceptable at least. Excessive drug taking is also widely seen as being acceptable. We have to challenge the view that "regular excess" is acceptable because it isn't. We do need to preach abstinence, just moderation.

All this proves how wrong Thatcher and the Tories were/are about there being "no such thing as society", this is the result of that kind of thinking. Isolated, alienated individuals living in a commodity culture.

The SNP can be criticised for much but I support them in their endeavour to try and do something about drinking.

PS Another case of... a fraction of the money being poured into the finance sector that could be spent dealing with real problems like this.
8

common sense voice,

26/03/2009 02:54:00
highly complex problem, similar to education failings in many ways.... human nature plays a big part as does an individuals sence of self worth...

likely requires major Gov. actions which will never be undertaken.....

one thing for sure, throughing money at it and pu$$y-footing isn't / won't work.
9

drunken proffet,

Tassy 26/03/2009 03:14:39
On one side you have the government with restricted capital attempting to reduce alcohol consumption. On the other, cash rich companies who by introducing lavish advertising, attractive packaging and special offers, hope to increase the public consumption. No prizes as to who will win in the long run. George Orwell introduced a solution in his novel 1984, Victory Gin, cheap as they could make it, as strong as you could handle. But only for the non productive classes. He maybe meant 2084.
10

Trade-wind,

USA 26/03/2009 05:32:36
I know this sounds crude and even cruel to some, but start now by scareing the hell out of young kids. Educate them from 1st grade through high school, by showing them the real effects drugs have. Show them the worst kinds of addicts and the life they lead because of drug abuse. Show them the medical nightmares of drug abuse and keep at it. Start a course that is manditory just like maths and make them do reports. Make them study drug abuse so that they will know better than anyone the hell of drug abuse. While you are doing this start rounding up addicts and putting them in drug rehab manditory withdrawl. Keep them long enough to insure they are drug free. Give them a job and require them to be there everyday for a year if they miss work they have to report for drug screening manditory. Go after drug dealers. When caught manditory ten years jail sentence.
Take the dealer off the street and he can't sell to the new user and the old rehabed user can't find a dealer to buy from. By the time an old dealer gets out there will hopefully won't be and drug users for him to sell to. Second time a man or woman is caught dealing execute them period. It will take twenty years but the problem will either be solved or reduced to the criminally stupid. In either case you will have spent no more than it is or will cost you to sit on your hands for the next two decades.
11

Trade-wind,

USA 26/03/2009 05:39:37
I might add this isn't a nice problem and it doesn't require a nice sugar coated solution. There are to many bleeding hearts who get in the road and make the problem unsolveable. Their favorite line is "OH! you can do that" They are right you can't as long as you listen to them. It probably wouldn't hurt to put some kind of restriction on the glamorization of drugs by hollywood producers and actors either.
12

fife runner,

26/03/2009 06:15:41
if they try and do something about excessive drinking some who post here throw up their hands in horror at any increase in the price of drink. As for drugs one of the reasons for them being used more is precisely because they have become cheap. See the correlation.
13

Angleland Isover,

26/03/2009 06:35:33
Nowadays cocaine is so cheap it is the drug of choice for most people. In the 80's it was so expensive only rock stars could afford it. Even if the unionists don't agree, doing something is better than doing nothing.
14

Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek Australia 26/03/2009 06:38:43
#7,8,9,10-#11 it is good to read some constructive well thought out posts on this forum subject, its not just a Scottish problem, it is happening all over the western world probably the whole world in fact; in the capitol of Victoria, Melbourne 80% of the para-medic/ambulance callouts on Friday to Sunday nights are drug or alcohol related and its costing a fortune, I certainly agree with the comment that we need to start with the young and educate them in all ways possible regarding the problem including shock tactics via advertising, visiting re-hab centres etc, I believe this is the best way for the future.
15

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 26/03/2009 07:45:41
Westmidden Eye on Scotland: The Scots are getting uppety

Westmidden: Not good, keep them distracted.

Westmidden Eye on Scotland: How?

Westmidden: Keep them drunk, drugged, impovrished and too scared for the "normies" to leave thier homes

Westmidden Eye on Scotland: How, we have laws etc

Westmidden: Easy. Cheap booze, abundant drugs, relaxed enforecement of anti drug laws, little access to jobs, make most jobs Apolitical so they can't have an opinion and make sure that the police can't touch any neds by enforcing that silly Human Rights thingy from Europe.

Westmidden Eye on Scotland: Ok, lets see what happens.....
16

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 26/03/2009 07:47:18
"#1 Dark Lochnagar, The SNP, have no idea on this issue, and only act like Children, with bulling tactics, that are not only Stupid, but utterly beyond believe, of any intelligence!" - Charles

Charlie, when the population stop acting like kids and start making informed adult choices with regards thier lifestyles, then and only then can you make such statements.

We're a nation of bairns/wains son.
17

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26/03/2009 08:06:22
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18

Hugo of Garven,

26/03/2009 08:13:17
"Although the Scottish Executive developed National Quality Standards for Substance Misuse Services in 2006, there is no national monitoring of whether they have been implemented,"

Establishing an effective national monitoring service is an important part in tackling the drugs and alcohol problem.

It is not a solution but is part of any solution by providing feedback on how a strategy is working.
19

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 26/03/2009 08:24:43
SNP to Work with Labour on Drink

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7964238.stm

That's a good start. Lie-bore have finally figured that they cannot be political and defeatest with regards SNP trying to do something about it and that lie-bores decade of initiatives have failed.

Now to do the same with the drug problem, and job problem, housing problem, poverty problem, education problem.......
20

jane shore,

london 26/03/2009 08:27:23

Dave From Barra @ 18 Playing the blame Game is daft. Westmidden (Westminster?) this & that. Scotland has devolved powers to deal with alcohol & drug problems.

If you read the article you will see that England is taking another approach to the problems.

Hows about planning a remedy, instead of pushing the answer or excuses away to UK Parliament?
21

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 26/03/2009 08:31:30
jane shore

While I appreciate where you are going with your comment and I agree we have some but limited powers to deal with this, I am perhaps tongue in cheek, highlighting a possible root cause of our problem.

We want to raise the unit price of alcohol, Westmidden (Broon) and lie-bore have squeeled by saying it's illegal or will simply refuse us by placing as many barriers in the way.

If we have these devolved powers, why are Westmidden and lie-bore trying to put bariers in our way?
22

JayJay,

Right here 26/03/2009 08:33:55
You would have thought that by now those in Government would have twigged that a system where you throw billions of cash and people at a problem that only appears to get worse perhaps requires a rethink. Yet despite all the evidence you need in education, healthcare and social work, this utterly depressing cycle continues. Especially dismal is the grim reality that the bulk of the additional cash seems to end up in the pockets of yet another layer of beaurocracy rather than actually finding its way to those on the front line.
It would be something of a revelation if we could, for once, hear from someone either in Government or from the front line admit that great piles of cash and double the staff is in no way a solution. Look at the FSA. Fails to regulate the banks, destroys the UK economy, with the connivance of some stupid suits, and, after the inevitable review, we are told that the solution is to increase the budget by half and recruit another couple of thousand staff. And the real beauty of this "solution" is that it can be used every Government Department whatever the circumstance.
23

jane shore,

26/03/2009 08:36:15

Dave from Barra @ 24 I thought it was the EU who were saying that raising the minimum unit price of alcohol would be illegal.


24

Hugo of Garven,

26/03/2009 08:40:49
#23 jane shore,

"A different approach is taken in England where the government has set out and monitors a required range of drug services which should be in place and minimum standards of access."

I think the article was talking about monitoring and it's importance.

25

old soldier,

Muir-of-Ord 26/03/2009 08:44:53
Right on there No.17
Here is one situation where I whole heartly agree with the Middle Eastern countries in dealing with drug pushers cut thier heads off and lets get on with it
26

jane shore,

London & NHS Worker 26/03/2009 08:46:25

Hugo of Garven @ 27 Monitoring is a part of trying to remedy a problem.

I would put control of excess use of alcohol/drugs within the remits of health & policing. Scotland has devolved powers on health financing priorities. Not sure about policing priorities though.


27

Tired runner,

Edinburgh 26/03/2009 08:51:15
Instead of whingeing about what government or agencies should be doing, what about personal responsibility.
Nobody is forcing the booze down necks or the needles into the arms.
Sometimes I despair of this country.
28

Alan B,

26/03/2009 08:53:35
#jane shore

I think you are failing to see the big picture. What labour are doing is using westminster labour as the opposition to the scottish government in holyrood to undermine their policies.

Also if broons labour at westminster refuse to devolve power then they then need to take responsibility when thing fail.

Part of the problem is the devolution arrangements are a shambles.

Look at example with drug policy when labour controlled both parliaments. Labour at westminster reclassify (downgrading) so callled soft drugs and start testing effective decriminalisation in london. The labour scottish government then say the police in scotland will ignore any change in the law and treat it as business as usual.

If you are going to have devolved policing with a separate legal system then you do not reserve drug policy to westmisnter. That is daft.

All you end up with is no one able to implement their policy ideas, no one taking responsbility and the inevitable blame game. It is not rocket science.

Then look at the issue of police on the beat. The snp scottish government wanted to increase police on the beat. They therefore had the interesting idea of wanting to release traffic cops by having one police officer doing traffic. The devolution rules meant despite polcing being devolved the scottish parliament could not authorise this change if it saw fit as the westminster transport minister could prevent it. Labour's transport in westminster duly veteoed this change.

If we are to stop the blame game with westminster we need a sensible devolution settlement.
29

jane shore,

london & NHS Worker 26/03/2009 08:57:59

Fair enough Alan B. interesting points @ 31 Independence is it ? :-)
30

The Brain,

26/03/2009 09:06:41
Why is this the government's fault?

Alcoholics can go to their free GPs practices. They can use the community charity services such as AA.

Drug addicts can do likewise, in addition they can go to the police and shop their dealers.

We are all seceptable to human fraility, I don't judge these addicts, but the cure/solution lies with them. Society has done enough to provide assistance to them.
31

Alan B,

26/03/2009 09:08:06
#jane shore

While I support independence that is a different issue to some extent.

What I am saying here is we need clear lines of responsibility with devolution. No bits devolved and bits reserved on the same area.

You either devolved transport fully or not. Same with law and order issues etc.

One of the biggest failings of the devolution settlement is with so many issues fudged it needs westmister to work positively with the scottish parliament to sort out issues. But Brown who will not even apparently receive phone calls from Salmond is not preparted to do so. Scotland is labours and that is it. Cameron seems as if he will take more seriously the issues of coordination of the political parties.

But you really need a structure robust enough to cope with having different parties in power in the 2 parliaments.

Look at labour attitude even to its own scottish exec afew yrs ago. Labour in scotland wanted to introduce free personal care. Labour at westmister did not want labour in scotland introducing a policy in scotland that they did not want for england. As such Darling at social security refused to give some basic info to help their own labour government in scotland introduce the policy. That is simply not acceptable.

With LIT we have brown wanting to withhold council tax rebate from scotland is we use the devolution powers to change local government taxation. It would not cost westminster one extra penny. It was just about making sure the same money that comes to scotland now would come if we use the democratic powers this tax.



32

A Crofter,

Weshtern Islesh 26/03/2009 09:15:12
Listen to Radio 1 - constant references by the DJs to getting legless on alcohol.

And what was last night's prize for the winning Apprentice team? A display of cocktail mixing! Might as well have given the idiots some tin foil and a syringe.

No wonder all the kids think booze is cool.

Perhaps the media should stop glorifying - and eagerly promoting - this filth. Over to you, Hootsmon!
33

Alan B,

26/03/2009 09:38:48
#Joe

And vote for who? By dint of being sensible they would not vote labour as they have done as much as possible to bankrupt the country and have been the most openly corrupt government/party in memory.

The problem will any action over drink is how you can deal with a serious problem and not hit unfairly those that are not abusing the stuff.

The big problem for the rest is that they are victims of the abuse of alcohol aswell.

Take a previous measure by the last exec to ban people from drinking in public spaces. That unfairly hits and makes illegal those that may want a beer at a barbacue etc. But on the other hand the restriction tackles the fact they could suffer from the fall out of those street drink with associated violence and petty crime etc.

It is difficult to get a balance.
34

Dungbeetle,

Stravaig 26/03/2009 09:52:42
This item is about support services not prevention, which has been well discussed elsehere ad nauseam.

#33 - you obviously have no idea how poor the support services are; many addicts regard them as an irrelevance at best and I have experience of where they have made an addict's situation worse through their slow response and abysmal lack of training.

Also while Nicola S is proud to boast fast response times if you want to see a consultant for any physical ailment, access times for psychologists and psychiatrists is dire. This is not a party political point; the country's mental health is an elephant in the room that nobody will talk about.
35

Morry,

Scotland 26/03/2009 09:55:08
37, Alan
You say it is difficult to get a balance,
I think, that although there is a problem with high addiction to whatever, that the government and others compound the situation by continually harping on about it.
It puts everyone under pressure, to stop smoking, drinking, taking drugs, whatever, their problem, at a time when everyone is vulnerable, whether they are at risk of losing a job, home or other.

That, and the fact that each successive government have for their own political ends sought only to manipulate the people,
perhaps, the people have just had enough of being dictated to,
and I don't believe that the current measures will stop people from doing the things they have always done,
it might make it harder, but it won't stop it.

The answer, is in education of the young, starting in the home and followed up in school.
36

AJM,

26/03/2009 10:08:39
It seems that Tony Blair hoped that creating the same environment for drinking as with continental europe we would become more family drinking oriented and less binge drinking.
It seem that in the British Isles and I think Ireland that culture is alien.
What we have also seen is the spread themed drinking establshments so whereas many years ago everyone went drinking in the same place as you relatives now that does not happen, peer pressure has gone.
Price will not affect this one iota, this it why it is a poor thought out policy. It seems to me that for 20 plus years whatever party has been unable to provide a radical solution to the problem and has had little effect on the problems of nuisance, disruption and violence. The SNP are another party with a silly proposal, trebling the price might have some effect, but it would be political suicide. A proposal that sees the price of alcopops and buckfast remain the same is just a waste of everyones time.
37

JohnBowes,

26/03/2009 10:25:33
So an "independent" Scotland will cure the addiction problem?

First, by "independent" what do they mean? How the donald duck can we be independent in Europe? That is a severe contradiction. Independent within the world economy? Independent withing the remit of the World Bank? Independent with the remit of Trade Agreements? Daft stuff. Independent within the British Commonwealth?

So, the alkies, bums and comic singers will all stop drinking buckfast and such likewhen we become "independent"? Well, I certainly won't.

As for drugs, I don't take them just now. BUT I think I will start if Salmond become Prime Minister of Scotland.

Now, where is me bottle of Eldorado - otherwise known as a fine bottle of "who the f*** are u loooking at"?


38

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 26/03/2009 10:34:44
I often wonder where the 'costs' are made up and how they arrive at these sweeping figures ....

The cost I love is that it 'costs' £100,000 to scramble a Nimrod (when they were still flying) .... they arrived at this 'cost' simply by dividing the staff/building/maintenance/'internal market' costs by the number of times a Nimrod was scrambled --- which is fine ... but what happens if you half the number of 'scrambles' .. the 'cost' doubles when half the work is being done - but you can't Not have a Nimrod service ?

This £5 billion 'cost' - Ok, lets say that everyone turned into Mother Theresa overnight - that presumably means that we can save £5 billion ??? It that is the case then is it to be reflected in the level of tax we pay or will it massively boost the productivity of the NHS ??

I think the sad truth is that even if a wave of temperance grasped the Scottish nation the politicians would find another way to waste the money probably by banning or taxing something else we enjoy doing !



39

Fairfax,

26/03/2009 10:43:55
Dave from Barra (24): "We want to raise the unit price of alcohol, Westmidden (Broon) and lie-bore have squeeled by saying it's illegal or will simply refuse us by placing as many barriers in the way."

I have no liking for the Union or Brown, but the argument that a minimum price per alcohol unit is against EU law looks sound to me. Here's an article on the European Commission's opposition to a similar minimum tobacco price, in several EU states.

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/08/1149

It would be good if, just once, Scots took some responsibility for themselves. Scots don't drink because of England or the UK -- after all, the English also drink too much, despite their lack of obvious historical overlords. All northern European nations display similar signs of alcohol problems, in marked contrast to southern European nations. Whether it's cultural, genetic, or a combination, this liking for alcohol won't go away. Our neighbours deal with it via strict policing (e.g. Germany) or high prices/availability (e.g. Norway); we use neither.
40

decent one,

26/03/2009 10:49:56
Having worked with addicts, the following should be done:

1. Never legalize drugs. Look at the problem legalized alcohol causes.
2. Shooting galleries with free drugs & needles -closely monitored , policed and registered. This cuts out the dealers, reduces the need to for the addict to introduce to others and cuts down prostitution.
3. Life for major dealers ie. never out.

Many of the drugs which are abused can be taken 'safely' for many years. It is the need for money to fund the habit, dirty drugs and the deprivation which goes along with it which are the main problems.

Simple solutions , just no will !
41

Vandala,

26/03/2009 10:53:30
Addiction does not exist. People use drink and drugs because they are unhappy. The problem is work. Scotland's attitude to work is deeply unhealthy. Scottish people believe that work is a chore to be suffered. When that chore is done with, they want to forget about it, hence they get sh*t-faced.

Eliminate negative attitudes to the concept of work and you eliminate "addiction".
42

Dunfesterin,

26/03/2009 11:12:27
If you raise the price of drink to unacceptable levels then people will cross the border for their booze. It won't change a thing. Alkies will acquire booze any way they can.

And we all know it's not Scotland as a whole that has a drugs and alcohol problem - it's mostly GLASGOW!!
43

nSyratzcGlaw,

26/03/2009 11:22:37
Well, from a realist point of view only too well of scotlands general reliance economy - I dont think there is a cure (unless totalitarian measures are introduced and that aint going to happen).

All you can do is invest in the drink companies , or open a shop and pile the booze high. Take their money then retreat to the safety of your suburban villa, bought on the self inflicted misery of others.

We cant make people change in a "free" western society.

Fçk 'em.




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nSyratzcGlaw,

26/03/2009 11:30:26
45 You might be on to something, but as a basic fact the scottish cultural relation to alcohol is a deeply unhealthy one.

It's one of our globally known caricatures , and for good reason. The Asians work hard, Africans make good athletes and we get drunk and harp on about our golden age and all the things we have invented.

I'd recommend just going through the whole scottish addiction to alcohol thing, hit rock bottom , come out the other side and learn to snigger at the absurdity of it.

Then show bemusement at the fact the majority of our adults spend a fair amount of their salary on basically getting a sore head in the morning and a stressed out attitude to life.


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nSyratzcGlaw,

26/03/2009 11:32:30
45 it's obvious you've never experienced physical addiction.

Believe me , it's real.
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TWC,

Ex Labour 26/03/2009 11:45:32
Only when all parties get together and help the Government can the Drink & Drugs be tackled. Similarly ourTime Bomb public pensions & Spending.

BTW I cannot access todays stories in the Herald -- anybody help
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Tartan Viking,

26/03/2009 11:52:50
No amount of money is going to sort this problem out. The root of the problem is with the individual. They are in control of whether they decide to over-indulge in alcohol or substances. Therefore they should exercise self-control. It is nobody's fault but the individual themself.
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 26/03/2009 12:03:23
Anybody buying shares in a company producing home brew and wine making kits is probably onto a good thing.
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Calum Crubag,

26/03/2009 12:43:13
#1 - yeah, only the SNP are seriously debating this issue. Tories and Labour just seem to mock instead of getting involved and being constructive.
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Calum Crubag,

26/03/2009 12:44:10
#54 - does that include publicans and chemists? The biggest and most harmful drug dealers are the legal ones. Now, off to Malaysia with you, if you want to live in the dark ages.
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pwd,

Borders 26/03/2009 12:44:35
#54 Motorist

I lived in Asia for 20 years and I can assure you the idea that Malaysia has only 35 drug addicts is laughable. Whoever provided that figure is suspect. However, Malaysia, Singapore and Brunei do have the death penalty and one result is that any drug problem is less obvious and is probably well below the levels of the west. You imply we should be much tougher with traffickers - bring it on.
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Ganjass,

Amsterdam 26/03/2009 13:04:21
I don't think the death penalty is the answer. France which has strict drug laws has more junkies per head of population than Amsterdam! But what I do think would make a difference, is forcing junkies to go through cold turkey whenever they break the law, that will serve as a serious punishment for law breaking and hopefully shake up the carte blanche that previous law making has given dealers of the more addictive drugs.

It sickens me that people who have worked all their lives, paying taxes, do not get access to life changing drugs, and yet the waster scum bags get methadone, which is one of the most expensive pharmaceuticals, and is more addictive than heroin.

Prisoners with drug problems should be shipped to a special high security prison where no drugs can get into, so that even if they get back into drugs on the outside, they know its going to be a true punishment when they go to jail!
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Ganjass,

26/03/2009 13:05:08
meant Holland not Amsterdam :-)
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AJM,

26/03/2009 13:10:20
#56 Calum, SNP is the only one debating this? really lets big up the SNP at every turn. The SNP have been forced into a debate about their mim price proposal against their wishes. They wanted to sneak it through on the back of something else.

There is one surety that the SNP are not a debating party, they are strictly controlled from the centre which is AS. Have we seen any mild critiscism from the back benches, nope.
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decent one,

26/03/2009 13:17:36
No47 danielrober
I think you'll find that legalized alcohol has caused many more deaths both directly and indirectly than when it was banned. You can't disagree with that.

Alcohol and drug taking however cannot be compared as easily as you think. The vast majority of people consume alcohol with respect however the majority of drug takers show little regard for the drug they are taking.
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Shape to Shoot,

26/03/2009 13:19:30
It's not drugs that devastate communities, it's the fact that they are illegal.

States around the world just can't accept defeat on drugs and the result is that the problem is getting steadily worse.

Heroin costs tuppence ha'penny to make, and if made legal, a £300 a day smack habiit would come down to about £10. The £290 is payment for risks taken and bribes all the way down from Afghanistan to the user in Glasgow, Edinburgh or Inverness.

There is no reason why someone with a major heroin dependancy couldn't carry out any number of part-time jobs. A user could time their 'hits' so as not to be stoned during working hours.
Even users with lower dependency could work full-time with some valium to see them through the day if things get a bit edgy.

People could basically become addicted to drugs if they wanted to. It would be far less glamorous, and at a stroke, the drug gangs would be out of business, shoplifting figures and legal aid bills would fall of a cliff, fewer police would be needed, fewer judges and prosecutors, fewer prisons, gang violence would be redduced, gun crime would fall.

But no. States are determined to hold on even though they are being overrun.

Those who support the criminalisation of drugs get what they deserve quite honestly.
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Highland Mist,

26/03/2009 13:31:51
#4, Hamish. Do you understand anything about addiction and addictive personalities? The country is full of them and the cost of the item that they are addicted to will have NO impact on their addiciton. Remove that addiction and they will find something eles to depend on.

The funding needs to be directed in the right direction, and sadly those making the decisions as to where the funding goes have no idea of how efficiently and effective the services are that they often close down, whilst delivering 'treatment' that is more cost effective elsewhere but gives little by way of successful rehabilitation.

And it's not jsut drug and alcohol addiction that is causing havoc in this country, there are other addictions that most of the readers here will have that are untackled and unfunded and unrecognised that will cost their lives and cost the NHS, but that is for another forum to discuss.
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Allan(handofgod137),

26/03/2009 13:59:23
#64 How true, the problem has been created by making the drugs illegal, and then treating junkies as victims. A far more sensible approach is complete legalisation, and an end to any sort of welfare payment for those who claim to be unable to work through drink or drugs.
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notanactivist,

26/03/2009 14:14:49
#65 How true.

The pointlessness of the SNP's legislation is made clear by the fact that the price of Buckfast, the drink most associated with alcoholism in Scotland, would not be affected. Presumably because raising the price of wines might affect the bank balances of the middle class members of the SNP.
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decent one,

26/03/2009 14:36:27
Nos 64&66
Sorry but you both don't have a clue. You would have dirty needles everywhere, even younger children would be trying it because of its availability, more people would be having a go because of its cheapness and safety (I mean it has been legalized), habits would be greater, more hospitalization through overuse, more drug drivers...

Yes legalization would really work !
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Eve,

26/03/2009 15:26:53
#5 Charles Linskaill@: I haven't heard the SNP saying that they are planning to bump up the price of choclate.

Though I do think it's odd how a small bar of Chocolate cost about 60p and the bigger bars which are about 3 or 4 times bigger are about £1.20.

Small chocolate bars shouldn't be over 50p it's discrasful. Chocolate is scientifical proven to bost your mood unlike Alchol and smoking.

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P.S. "The More one Bans a Product, The more One will use It!"

There was a time when that was true. But these days people who do drugs or abuse alchol couldn't careless and possible don't follow the news anyway.

People who abuse Drugs or/and Alchol do so as a form of escapism. To help the indidual you need to treat what they are escaping from and not just the addiction. Thats sadly where some intutives go wrong, treating the addidtion BUT not the underlining problem(s).
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Allan(handofgod137),

26/03/2009 16:00:38
#68, sorry but you're the one who hasn't got a clue, the problems associated with illegal drugs only started once the drugs became illegal. The sad fact is becoming an alcoholic or drug addict is currently the quickest way to get on the social. The various "treatment" programs fail, because the lifetime on benefit is what most of those idiots aspire to. If we remove the free money, free house and free medical care, all of which is paid for by the taxpayer, then those who claim their addiction prevents them working will be faced with the choice of stopping or dieing. I have no problem with this.
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El Franko,

Dagenham 26/03/2009 16:19:51
Legalise and ostracise. Drug users to be excluded from any kind of responsible employment, and put in workhouses if they are not, like filmstars and popstars - both user-categories I believe, independently wealthy and able to pay for their upkeep and the damage they cause to everyone else.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 26/03/2009 17:20:56
The Square Mile, also known as the Crown, is the world's largest illegal drugs conduit. In the past it's worked to destroy entire civilisations as in the China opium game and wars, so if Britain becomes a 3rd world country (Scotland is in the Forth world) tis of no concern to their money making game. Any industry and manufacturing left here can soon be transfered to cheap labour slave economies.

Meanwhile the unco po-faced drug-tzars are horrified that any population might take a substance that gives them pleasure (if for a limited time). Whereas if a drug makes your hair fall out and turn your skin green, its a major medical advance and another drug will be proscribed to lessen the symptons. There's no business like Big Pharma.

Westminster takes its instructions from the Bank of England (also running a nice sideline in offshore bank accounts and oil for terrorism). Gordon or David? Take your pick and put a fag paper between them.
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Tris,

26/03/2009 17:33:52
Ms Goldie is right. There needs to be a summit and the problems of drink and drugs need to be at the heart of our social policy.

Only those with concrete proposals should be invited. Those who have nothing better to do than carp and criticise should stay away and shut up. This is too important a matter for stupid party politics.

It's not something that has happened overnight, Ms Jamieson. You might not have noticed, but there were drug and drink issues as little as two years ago when you were in power.

So quit with the one upmanship and try to do something about the real problems, remembering that funding is finite and every extra penny spent on this has to come from something else. Remember too, that with the economic mess that Britian is in, we can expect no extra help from the UK government at a time when the problem is likely to get worse and worse.
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John1,

Stirling 26/03/2009 17:34:03
I see the usual separatists who live on this site are linking drug abuse to unionism. Do they realise how daft they look? There are subjects which have nothing to do with 'independence', you know. This kind of thing just diverts attention from the subject we are supposed to be discussing. A heavier reaction from whoever is supposed to be monitoing the posts is recommended.
On the original subject of the report:-
I recall querying Stirling Council about how they were tackling this problem a few years ago. I was told, rather smugly, that they went in for 'harm reduction' i.e. they gave druggies clean needles etc. The result of this policy can be seen in the report. A change of policy towards getting them off drugs rather than making them comfortable while on them might arguably improve things, instead of encouraging them. The effects of drug use are widely publicised so I can not see that anyone who gets involved with drugs does not know what they are in for. It's simply a long drawn out suicide. The balance of their minds being obviously desturbed perhaps compulsory incarceration and control caould be justified. Why not try it?
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Miss H,

26/03/2009 18:26:19
25 you will not read it in the article but it was the Scottish Goverment that commissioned this report - they asked Audit Scotland to go away and look at how money is spent and how it could be spent more effectively. That's the first step to improving things.
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Miss H,

26/03/2009 18:34:54
40 I am sure I have explained this to you before. It is not about trebling the price of alcohol. It is about preventing large supermarkets using alcohol as a loss leader i.e. selling it at a loss as a means to get people into the shops to spend more on other products. Two thirds of alcohol is now bought in shops, not pubs or clubs. Selling it at pocket money prices simply encourages people to drink more than they planned to and more than they can handle.

It's an outrageous marketing tactic. There is nothing wrong with loss leading in itself but shops should use staple items like bread or milk or fruit, not alcohol.

Alcohol is a drug. It may be a legal drug but it's still a drug.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 26/03/2009 18:47:46
Good God, John, how can you not link the East India Company to drug abuse. They paid the farmers to grow it, paid the shippers to ship it, and paid agents in China to distribute the opium. That the local dealer was the mastermind is utterly ridiculous. Though the communist party did string them up to retrieve their country. It's about big business!

Just as the sweetie shop owner doesn't manufacture his product, add toxic chemicals (eg aspartamine in cans of pop) and be responsible for the dental (and mental) health of local children. Same story.

The Union wasn't maybe the worst disaster to befall the planet. But, John, can you explain any benefits from it?
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Ewan Randall,

26/03/2009 19:45:32
(#81) – (Yok Finney) – “The Union wasn't maybe the worst disaster to befall the planet. But, John, can you explain any benefits from it?”

What about opportunity?
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 26/03/2009 20:24:22
Scotland had good trading links with the North Sea nations before the Union. After it was a disaster for decades.

But a fait accomplie by bribery and intrigue has to be accepted. Glasgow flourished from the new drug trade in tobacco and suger.

You might as well ask how Norway gained from this new capitalism (Denmark, Sweden) apart from poverty and mass emigration -- until they recklessly stood for Independence.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 26/03/2009 22:47:02
As the meerkat ad might put it - "Simple". If your reward addict behaviour through treatments like methadone you get more of the same. Same goes with alcohol - make it cheaper and the low end of the market will drink up faster. So broadly the SNP have got the correct approach and medical opinion seems to be oriented in the direction of making cheap drink much more expensive. Why this should penalise the sensible drinker is beyond me, but Broon appears to think so, probably on the basis of losing tax revenue from the drunken chav client state varieties.

I agree with #72 Allan(handofgod137) - no amount of poncing around with cosy wee social work strategies and awarding cooncil hooses and loads of benefits will ever shift this problem. The prospect of work or waste away Darwin-style could offer encouragement.
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Ian from Gala,

Galashiels 26/03/2009 23:17:39
We need to decide if the country can afford to tackle people's addictions at all. Is there any realistic prospect that the tax monies we put to this will be money well spent? Where is the evidence anywhere in the world that this can succeed at a cost that we can afford?

Public services have still a way to go before they can claim achievement of more fundamental health and social objectives like identifying and treating disease, protecting the vulnerable elderly, protecting society from crime.

The sad fact is that any tax monies poured into combating addictions will be money wasted that could have been spent on more worthy social causes bringing wider benefits to society.
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John1,

Stirling 26/03/2009 23:21:19
81 Yok Finney
The East India Company? A tenous link to the Union. No doubt there were plenty of Scots involved. Human Nature i.e. greed, is the likely reason for the opium trade. The East India Company also united India and brought an end to Suttee and other undesireable practices there. And how about the concept of justice and parliamentary democracy? The British Empire had its faults but can be recognised as generally a force for good in the world.
To get back to the drug problem:
I, for one, find it difficult to grasp the mentality which leads people to take up drugs as a way of life. Forcible control of addicts leading to recovery is likely the only solution. We use it for criminals so why not druggies? They are a problem which HAS to be sorted. And if someone thinks they have a 'right' to choose their lifestyle - not on my taxes they haven't.

 

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