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Published Date: 09 May 2009
DONALD Trump was accused yesterday of paving the way for the "Highland Clearances" of land surrounding the estate where he plans to build the "world's greatest golf resort".
The tycoon's organisation has sent letters to the owners of five properties on about 100 acres of land next to the Menie Estate, near Balmedie, Aberdeenshire, with a fresh offer to buy them out.

The owners, which include the campaigning opponent
of the plans Michael Forbes, fear the approach is only the first step towards a bid by the Trump empire to seek the support of the local council in seizing their land through compulsory purchase orders.

Until now, Mr Trump has insisted he already owns all the land he needs on which to build two championship golf courses, a 450-bedroom hotel, 950 holiday homes and 500 houses.

But Neil Hobday, the project director, has now written to the owners of adjacent properties, informing them that the Trump Organisation intends to submit applications for planning approval for their additional land, which the tycoon still does not own.

The move has sparked outrage among the home owners.

David Milne, who owns Hermit Cottage, a former Coastguard station, said: "This is just another low-level bullying tactic. It's the same sort of thing as locking the gates and restricting access and non-maintenance of the roads in the area."

He added: "I am ignoring it. We have said all along that our land is not for sale.

"But I know that some of the people who have been approached are concerned that their homes will be taken from them by compulsory purchase.

"They haven't got the confidence that I have that compulsory purchase is not an option.

"It would be a quantum leap in stupidity if the council were to support compulsory purchase."

Mickey Foote, a spokesman for protest group Sustainable Aberdeenshire, said: "This is Trump's version of the Highland Clearances. He is going over the heads of the owners and putting in planning applications for properties he doesn't own.

"Trump said only a few months ago he didn't want their land, so why is he now submitting planning applications for their land?"

He went on: "The council have compulsory purchase powers, but whether they would be foolish enough to do that, I don't know. These people don't want to sell and to force them out would be beyond the pale."

Mr Hobday insisted that council support for compulsory purchase orders would only be sought as a "last resort".

He told The Scotsman: "We need these properties because they are integral to the new, emerging, detailed master plan. It is all for the better planning of the area. What the master plan is telling us now is that they are essential to the viability of the whole project. Some of them impinge on the golf courses, the operational efficiency of both golf courses and infrastructure access."

He went on: "It is 100 per cent our intention, as always, to treat these discussions on an amicable basis and hope that we can come to mutually beneficial arrangements so that the land owners and home owners get what they need to carry on with their lives."

COMPULSORY PURCHASE

LOCAL authorities can use compulsory purchase powers to buy land for infrastructure service projects and to aid private developments.

A spokesman for Aberdeenshire Council said: "

Whether or not they would be used in this case would be a matter for consideration by the full council. We would expect the applicant to have exhausted every possible opportunity open to them before the council would require to consider using these powers."

Asked if compulsory purchase was an option, Mr Hobday replied: "I am really hoping that we don't have to go down that route. It will be the absolute last resort and we have yet to determine whether that is possible. All we want to do is to do a great job here."

A spokesman for Aberdeenshire Council said: "We would hope that they (the Trump Organisation] had pursued every single avenue open to them with the land owners before the council is even asked to consider a compulsory purchase order."

A spokesman for First Minister Alex Salmond declined to comment on the latest development. He said: "The process is a matter between the developers and Aberdeenshire Council."





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  • Last Updated: 08 May 2009 9:34 PM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
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1

The Online Scot,

Scotland 08/05/2009 23:04:54
Yes folks, things are indeed that bad for Labour - it's another Trump story.

Pity the Scottish media don't seem concerned about all the UK's nuclear submarines, many nearing the end of their lives and virtually rusting contaminated hulks, being dumped in Scotland.

Toxic radioactive waste or a new building development?

Which one to attack ...........
2

Fifi la Bonbon,

09/05/2009 00:19:43
It is becoming clear that it was a big mistake for those in authority to endorse Mr Trump's scheme. He clearly thinks that he will get continuing support from the authorities at the higfhest level for his plans.

It is even clearer that the Lib Dem councillor who stood up against his plans, and was bullied by the rest of the councillors, was right.

I can see what will follow -

Well, sir, there's nothing on earth like a genuine, bona fide, electrified, six-car monorail What'd I say?

Monorail! What's it called? Monorail! That's right! Monorail!

I hear those things are awfully loud...
It glides as softly as a cloud.

Is there a chance the track could bend?
Not on your life, my Hindu friend.

What about us brain-dead slobs?
You'll be given cushy jobs.

Were you sent here by the devil?
No, good sir, I'm on the level.

The ring came off my pudding can.
Take my pen knife, my good man.

I swear it's Springfield's only choice...
Throw up your hands and raise your voice!

But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!

3

Chuck.U.Farley,

09/05/2009 00:28:42
This space is reserved for Charles Linskail to fill with inane drivel.

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4

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 09/05/2009 00:42:46
#1

techno pygmy. Alternatively we could look at the truth that Scotland will be the home of one the worlds most potent fighting forces completely in accordance with our proud warrior heritage.
5

Brodric,

09/05/2009 00:48:04
Chuck - you are boring!
6

Brodric,

09/05/2009 00:49:45
How dare Trump come here and think he can bully our folks, just cos he has dosh. Who the hell does he think he is? I used to support the idea, but now I just want to say to him - YANK GO HOME!!!
7

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 09/05/2009 00:52:21
#6

He can do what he wants he has been annointed by Alex who can do no wrong.
8

Curley Bill,

09/05/2009 00:58:13
#2 Fifi la Touche - you've got it right again, dear. That Joke McConnell and his helicopter have a lot to answer for!
9

Brodric,

09/05/2009 00:58:56
7 All etc - don't be silly - anointed? Alex who can do no wrong. Rather Alex than some others - and remember the Trojan horse? Well, this is exactly what Trump is trying to do. And we wont' let him and I would be surprised if Alex does too.
10

Anndra Ailean,

09/05/2009 01:07:55
@#4 All Politicians are the same.
Aye armed with a wood in their hands no doubt.
11

All Politicians are the same,

Scotand 09/05/2009 01:10:42
#11

Oh my god another Nat without about as much defence knowledge as the rest. None!
12

George Coutts,

66% North 09/05/2009 01:11:23
Why oh Why is it when sombody tries to better Scotland and wish to prop up its flagging econemy and I dont mean the present downturn. And I would be very careful about YANK go HOME as he probably posesses more scottish blood than BRODICH No 6.
Rats with venom surface to poop on our parade.
Good eventually overcomes EVIL, Mr Trump I tip my hat to you sir.
13

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 01:25:28


I warned you all, over and over again what would take place, if we go for Scotland's sell-out, Non the News here!, Non the Shock here!, Non!, than could not be expected!

If one has no Pride,......(result-of)

14

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 01:29:12





Sell your roots, face the consequences!




15

FerryPort,

09/05/2009 01:29:25
Run the hairy baldy out of town
16

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 01:31:45

FerryPort ~16,

All a little late now, the deal was done!



17

FerryPort,

09/05/2009 01:34:25
Okay chuck Ls
What's really happening?
now?
future?
18

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 01:37:09


I wonder if there is a 'Flag' for "Trump", I visualize it flying from Edinburgh Castle, as I do the cannons at Edinburgh Castle being replaced with MacDonalds "Flurry's"


19

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 01:44:41

As we all get a taste for it, as the 1 o'clock, ice-cream, of our dream, hits us in the head, while walking along Princes Street, as as you all should know!, there was a few Prince's wanting to purchase our Princes Street, a couple of years ago, or have you all forgotten that?

True Fact, and one to-which is in this paper as reported and printed!

20

FerryPort,

09/05/2009 01:57:41
Trump! STOP HIM NOW!
Do not get me started.
Some rich person in golf clothing
who may or not be a friend of lots of polticians who may or may not have enjoyed dinner with /... and above and enjoyed having second helpings whilst serving himself at the buffet.

No, sorry, it's that eco-friendly guy. Thinks about the local environment and how he investing in it and saving it. Thinks that golf is good for the country and every person in Scotland.
I fuocking hate golf, and fuock that for a sport.
And I hate de'il trump.
Nothing has been put forward to me that says anything but a put over.

Is it possible to walk your self and dogs on his massive Scottish estate? aNother think a hink,

21

FerryPort,

09/05/2009 01:59:11
I've calmed down now
22

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 02:02:17

FerryPort ~20,

The basic Answer is,...'Scotland as we Knew it, is NO-MORE!'

We must put the Bagpipes, the Kilt, our heritage, where it belongs, in the History Books!

IT IS OVER!!! (I cry!, as you do when you loose a loved one.)

We have a New Population now, we are multi-cultured!

Immigrants by their droves, and good luck to them, as they work hard, they are the ones having babies to make Scotland as their Home, and concentrate on 'Family Life'!

Whatever Happened to us?

The don't want Children!

The selling of land, to overseas!

Idiotic Polices, that do us no favours!

The list goes on, as does life, but not a life that we once had.

New-Life in Scotland means not being of Scottish Heritage!

Do we all understand this Fact!?


23

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 02:05:05


Or more the likes!, does Salmond understand this "Fact"!?

I THINK NOT!!!!

24

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 02:09:13


And Why do we do it!?

Comments here so-far, is 'Blood-on-the-Boil!'

So! This is a true Scot!

Why then, could we get boiling blood in the first place, and not sell our land?

25

FerryPort,

09/05/2009 02:10:20
Chuckles
Oh it's so nice to have someone else so nice to talk to.

How come people like Trump get away with it?
Old boys stuff?
This is my country
26

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 02:10:52


Salmond!,,Did you Hear That!?


27

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 02:25:30


FerryPort ~27,

The Building of the Scottish Parliament says it all!

I was with an Auld-One yesterday down the Canongate, who asked me why the Scottish Parliament Building was soo out of place, the old part being the old Hospital down there, that was never changed,

I said to her, "Yes you are correct, the Scottish Parliament Building, looks terrible"

She asked, "Why"?

I said, "They Chose to use a foreign Architect to design it"


28

FerryPort,

09/05/2009 02:27:08
I am concerned we can't keep wolves like trump at bay from gorging our natural beauty and heritage plus rewarding social engineering.

Would you like to be a cleaner? I will ask you again under different circumsatnces.
trump likes cleaners. People with arms and legs and a head, to clean before and after him.
He likes peolple to answer the phone for him.
He's a rich person.
Rich people I never meet

trump will have difficulty anywhere he attempts his own idea of colonisation
29

Jimmy Le Pie,

09/05/2009 03:13:56
I see 5 properties are involved in this 'scandal'.

I thought the Highland Clearances were more than that and involved burning the hooses down and killing the livestock and driving the tenants from the land??

It's good to see accurate journalism from Scotland's 'leading' paper!!!
30

Jimmy Le Pie,

09/05/2009 03:17:13
Will all the anti Trump brigade be so vocal in their opposition to nuclear power stations and rusty nuclear submarine hulks getting dumped in Scotland????

I somehow doubt it!
31

fbuchanan56,

Northern California, USA 09/05/2009 03:30:51
Well this is some story. I'm American with Scottish ancestry. I don't think Scotland should allow foreigners like Donald Trump to just take over your land! Can't you stop this? How do people like him get away with filing for bankruptcy or "reorganizing" then going to other countries and buying their land???

It's not right...
32

Rock Lobster,

09/05/2009 03:49:55

I see the "ye canna dae that" brigade are out in force.

Trumps not a foreigner, his Mammy was from the western isles.

What will Global Broon say on the steel mill on Teeside set to close with the loss of 2000+ jobs.

Will it be the Global recession started in America and spread to the rest of the world?

Or, the management at Corus are the architects of their own demise.
33

Jimmy Le Pie,

09/05/2009 04:21:41
33 fbuchanan56,

When did Trump file for bankruptcy in Scotland???

If he has filed for bankruptcy in the States then surely he has no assets or money left???

But his investment in Scotland is most welcome especially at this time of recession which is throwing thousands out of work.

34

overton,

balmedie 09/05/2009 06:49:02
The Trump organisation has offered to negotiate to buy certain properties.

It is up to the owners if they wish to negotiate an acceptable price.

The only organisation that has suggested compulsory purchases is the press.

End of story.
35

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 09/05/2009 07:14:48
Three points
1 : Aberdeen is not in the highlands

2: The golf course will be great for Aberdeen

3 : The vast majority of the people in Aberdeen want
this development
36

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09/05/2009 07:19:27
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09/05/2009 07:23:26
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38

James,

Dundee 09/05/2009 07:35:18
I wish he'd chosen to set up this locale and boosted the local economy, but this area is probably over-endowed with fantastic golf courses, so I'm all in favour of it going ahead albeit elsewhere.

Most of the Nimby's are incomers, employed in the public sector, or both.

This country of ours is being slowly strangled by a combination of stagflation and a serial lack of ambition.

We turn away investment such as this at our peril, and turn Scotland into Nirvana for Twitchers and Tweedy inbreds.
39

Hermitage,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 07:37:17
At least the Scots can't blame the English for this one.

You let Trump in. Take the consequences and stop whingeing.
40

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 09/05/2009 07:40:45
HIGHLAND CLEARANCES??!!

Gimme a break! :-)
41

Fiona Duigan-McKay,

Dunedin, New Zealand 09/05/2009 07:48:38
Another arrogant yank trying to muscle his way in just like the Nazis did in Germany during World War Two.

It is like this here in New Zealand where yanks and other foreign nationals are trying to buy land here which means that people who are born in New Zeland will not be able to have their little bit of Paradise.
42

Beth Boyle,

NY 09/05/2009 07:54:34
Trump is a very unethical person and there were plenty of warning signs. Aberdeen will soon see they have let the fox into the hen house.
43

Slioch,

Scottish Highlands 09/05/2009 07:58:56
There is, of course, an alternative explanation. I'm not suggesting that it IS the explanation, but with someone like Trump it is worth bearing in mind:

If Trump - for whatever reason, but most likely associated with the credit crunch - decided that, after all, he didn't wish to proceed with his housing/golf course project, what would he now do? Would he say, "Sorry folks, I miscalculated, I've run out of money, I'm bored with Scotland and its lousy weather and people saying nasty things about me." No, of course he wouldn't.

Someone like Trump must always give the impression of being a winner, so if he were in that situation, then the way out would be to construct a scenario that made him look as if he was still wanting to expand, whilst making impossible demands that guaranteed that he would fail. But then the blame for his failure would not be him, but these ignorant locals who couldn't see the wonderful future that he was offering them. He would be able to announce that he came here with all his money wanting build the finest whatever, but in the end it was thrawn and ignorant peasants that got in his way: he can only try to help etc etc . You can just imagine his PR company going into overdrive and churning out loads of this sort of garbage. Exit Trump with head held high ...

As I said, I'm not suggesting that this is the explanation, but it is worth bearing in mind as events unfold.
44

It's me!,

09/05/2009 08:03:14
I thought it was only Spain who could take seaside homes from the owners for the benefit of the rich. Silly me. I can understand if it is for the public good such as a motorway but for another golf course?

Delete sheep and insert golf.
45

overton,

aberdeen 09/05/2009 08:04:39
#45 - Fiona Duigan-McKay,Dunedin, New Zealand:

Is it like when you stole all the land off the Maoris then?
46

Mallory,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 08:18:06
Show us the money Donald - cash only though.
47

Am Fidhleir Lomartach,

09/05/2009 08:19:30
My own reaction exactly, no. 47. It is the Trump's exit strategy. Wait and see.

My understanding of CP is that it can only be used for strategic projects, which Trumptown definitely is not, so if the owners don't want to sell the deal is dead.
48

Gdgy,

09/05/2009 08:24:45
What a lot of baloney!
Trump sent offers to buy...that is all....the reaction of some suggest that they hve lost the plot....
49

Pilrig,

Livingston 09/05/2009 08:47:06
4 - eh ?
50

Pilrig,

Livingston 09/05/2009 08:50:34
24 - yep, chuck, the ignorant indigenous jocks are a nuisance. Scotland - too good for the Scots !
51

King Richard IV,

Brisbane 09/05/2009 08:58:48
Good point # 49, only it was Fiona's ancestors who stole land of the Maoris! ie Scottish people.All nations are guilty of this and "Old comb over" is no different!It's just that its his time and just that its his money! Don't worry in about 10 year some Sheik will be hassling him for it to set up a race course!!
52

john z,

edinburgh 09/05/2009 09:04:29
You know, people in Scotland should ignore all this doom mongering about Donald Trump. Those castigating him with comments here, ate just using him to try to discredit the SNP. It is garbage.

Donald Trump has real Scottish roots, and takes it seriously. In a global recession (and most people still don't understand what it will do for the standard of living in the UK), Scotland should welcome a billionaire of genuine Scottish descent to invest here. Check his name 'the Donald'.

As for selling Scotland, the fact is large chunks of Scotland, are already in the hands of wealthy Saudi Arabians through intermediary companies.

So, let's see, a filthy rich American billionaire with a genuine interest in Scotland, or some rich faceless and nameless Saudis who hide behind investment companies.....hmmmm I know which I prefer.

Oh, and by the way, comparing five houses to the highland clearances shows an utter failure to understand the true horror and awful events of the clearances. Only an idiot, who is ignorant of Scottish history would refer to it as the clearances. The kind of thing that english moron Starkey would say.

The real highland clearances were effectively a cultural genocide which wiped out large parts of Scottish livelihood and Scottish culture.

Trump gets lots of press some good, and some bad, but you cannot get away from the fact he is quite a remarkable 'self made' man. Check his life story and you'll understand better.
53

Prudence,

09/05/2009 09:05:57
It amazes me how naive some politicians are, but then thats what people like Trump depend on .
54

Boy Wonder,

09/05/2009 09:24:53
Hands up who DIDN'T see this coming????
55

Morry,

Scotland 09/05/2009 09:28:35
The one I know, his name isn't Trump, but his policies are the same, greedy land grabbing retired holidaymakers!
Their tactics like those of Sellars of the Highland Clearance fame!!

Soon there won't be farms and tenants as the Trumps take over the world!
56

Melly,

Dunblane 09/05/2009 09:37:07
What`s the problem here ? Somebody make you an offer for your property ( I wish ) you decide whether it is a good or bad offer and act accordingly. Job done.
57

Stan Butler,

09/05/2009 09:47:40


I wonder if Trump was English rather than a Yank (with his wee ma from a but'n ben on Lewis) whether so many gnats would support him and his bully boy tactics.
58

Stan Butler,

09/05/2009 09:49:28
#62 Melly


Not quite. The Council have powers to purchase property on a compulsory basis if it is in the public good.

That's what Trump is setting out to achieve.
59

Stan Butler,

09/05/2009 09:51:21
#58 john z


If you believe what you've posted then you're a gullible fool.

I doubt whether you are either gullible or a fool.

60

Pilrig,

Livingston 09/05/2009 09:53:12
63 - silly post
61

Pilrig,

Livingston 09/05/2009 09:54:52
65 - so the Sutherland Clearances weren't a form of cultural genocide ?
62

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 09/05/2009 09:55:35
STAN - Blakey's calling for you...
63

qohldr,

09/05/2009 09:59:24
How does it go again?
The land owners refuse to sell the land.
Trump applies to the council for a compulsory purchase order.
The council vote on the matter and the vote is split evenly.
The chairperson has the deciding vote and vote against.
The chairperson is then hounded out of the council.
Meanwhile rather than appeal the decision by the council a meeting take place in a hotel room by the Trump representatives and a Westminster MP.
With in hour of that meeting another meeting takes place with the Trump representatives and the head of the relevant Scottish government department.
To cut a long story short, Due process goes out the window and the compulsory purchase orders go through.
64

Stan Butler,

09/05/2009 10:00:38
#36 IndependentlyInclined

'Our Feudal masters from down south'

This thread is about Trump and I wouldn't want to divert it from that topic but you, like most nationalists, fundamentally misunderstand the Clearances if you try to understand them on the basis of the parties' nationalities. The landlords who cleared people of the land were as likely to be as Scottish as their tenants. The Clearances were about the rich and powerful exploiting the poor and powerless, not the English exploiting the Scots. Land was cleared all over Europe (including England), albeit a couple of centuries earlier, for the same reason ie because it was profitable to do so.

Then, as now, it's class conflict that's important, not differences of nationality.



65

Masterpiece,

09/05/2009 10:14:28
Anyone who has knowledge about the Highland Clearances will know that this has nothing to do with them as there is no ethnic Gaelic cleansing happening.

Welcome to Englishshire (Scotland)
66

Masterpiece,

09/05/2009 10:18:42
So sorry it should of corse have been Englandshire.
67

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 09/05/2009 10:33:11
If the land was taken off the legitimate occupiers by compulsory purchase order. How would the council baliffs remove the occupants? Starve them out? Whack their backsides with batons? No doubt lots of activists would rush to defend the site, blue painted faces and all! But then they would quickly suffer from sand-blasting and hypothermia and have to leave! Who would want to play golf regularly on such a blasted heath?
68

daveserviceman,

edinburgh 09/05/2009 10:43:26
There is mission creep here trump is out to buy the whole of scotland and turn it into a playboys playground, there is nothing Alec can do he has been bought out by trump
69

daveserviceman,

edinburgh 09/05/2009 10:45:52
Scotland will become another star on th american flag paid for by trump. dont worry about the british armed forces in scotland they will be kicked out by the Americans
70

Pilrig,

Livingston 09/05/2009 11:06:59
62 - and if you refuse to sell ? what then ? compulsory purchase slapped on your property ?
71

Am Fidhleir Lomartach,

09/05/2009 11:21:43
I think the CPO thing is a red herring. To progress one, the Council or SG would need to make the purchase and then presumably sell the land to Trump, or become a partner in the development. I doubt that even Trump's best pal Alex would make that one fly. See http://scotland.shelter.org.uk/getadvice/advice_topics/repairs_and_bad_conditions/compulsory_purchase_orders_cpos/about_compulsory_purchase_orders.
72

dianne12,

Planet Earth 09/05/2009 11:24:48
Throwing people out of their homes to build a golf course - it's outrageous! Trump is a disease creeping through Aberdeenshire's veins - he infects all who creep and crawl around him.
He knew from the outset that he was going to do this - what a cheat! but then what can you expect from a gambler.
What kind of people would want to play golf in an area where they have knowingly destroyed a habitat of such high value that can never be replaced, and, caused so much ill feeling between people.
All this business about his Scottish ancestry and love of the homeland is a load of rubbish - does this give him some right to destroy? He never mentions his German ancestry - is he building a championship course there too?
I noticed a story last week clearly showing that he's trying to buy support by giving the local primary school money a climbing wall - I expect this will be the 'greatest climbing wall in the world' - it makes me sick to the stomach to see what's happening here.
I can't understand these power crazy folk - they end up in a box just the same as every one else, so what's it all for?
Jobs and money for the local economy - what a joke - how many times have we heard that one!

73

livilion,

livingston 09/05/2009 11:37:49
#70 Stan Butler 09/05/2009 10:00:38
>>Land was cleared all over Europe (including England), albeit a couple of centuries earlier, for the same reason ie because it was profitable to do so.<<

...and that is why the highlands of Scotland have enjoyed these last two centuries of economic success?

History? as viewed through a British nationalist keyhole.

Religion Old Bean, 'the opiate of the masses' was the instrument used to divide and conquer this part of empire.

Viewed from The South, the warlike and fiercely independent Highlanders had traditionally been a thorn in the side of Scottish kings.

James VI shot the craw to a palace in Whitehall and ne'er cast a backward glance to the land of his birth, except to do his utmost to 'Anglify' it.
He set in chain a sequence of events which resulted in the largely Roman Catholic Scottish highlanders viewed from London as the 'Al Quaida' of its time, Gunpowder Plot and all.

As soon as the protestant Hanoverian succession had finally been secured in 1746, the London government set about seperating Scottish landowners, with affiliations to the old Stuart catholic regime, from their previous positions of influence and power and, in many cases, their oxygen supply.

This ensured that the London Establishment would never again be put in the peril of having a catholic political coup, with forces such as the Jacobite highlanders, within striking distance of the capital.

That in turn set up the circumstances whereby incoming highland landlords were able to 'improve' their estates, even if it meant a potential insurgent or two had their homes burnt down around them, their goods and chattels destroyed, to encourage them to be able to see the 'economic benefits' to their communities and the wisdom of allegiance to the new regime.

If in so doing the Scottish highlands were cleared of potential trouble makers for our imported German monarchy then, as far as English(British) history is concerned, so much the
74

livilion,

livingston 09/05/2009 11:42:54
#70 Stan Butler 09/05/2009 10:00:38




...If in so doing the Scottish highlands were cleared of potential trouble makers for our imported German monarchy then, as far as English(British) history is concerned, so much the better.

75

Stan Butler,

09/05/2009 11:48:57
#79 livilion


Stick to face painting.
76

the stootyin,

oor yoner 09/05/2009 11:49:10
I've lived in Asia for a number of years now, and used to get a giggle from the activities of the corrupt politicians/dignitaries etc, but the UK establishment has by far over taken even their thuggish exploits, and seem not in the least bothered these days to even try to disguise matters with their educated repertoire. Our arrogance is completely ignoring the historic cyclical facts that we are on a slippery slope, and need some serious proffessionals to bail us out, not some bunch of marble mouths.
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livilion,

livingston 09/05/2009 11:52:59
81 Stan Butler,09/05/2009 11:48:57
Ouch, so cutting...so predictable.
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tommytommy,

09/05/2009 12:05:32
I thought that a council could only apply for compulsary purchase if they were the developer.

I believed this because I was once in dispute with a developer and I took legal advice to consider every route that might follow.

Compulsary purchase was not available to a private developer.

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livilion,

livingston 09/05/2009 12:14:47
84 tommytommy
The only ones talking about compulsary purchases are the press.

Odd though, when Union Joke went as First Minister to Trump Tower to press the flesh with the great man himself, the idea of a world class golf resort on the East Coast and sqillions of cash injected into the local economy was seen as a great idea, it was only the thought of a 'jumped up parish councillor' striding the world stage thinking he could represent the Scottish diaspora that was derided. THAT kilt didn't help though.
80

Rob me blind,

Peterhead 09/05/2009 12:30:28
Come on Wee Eck stand up and be a Nation Again oh sorry its your constituancy and he is your mate so that will be alright then
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livilion,

livingston 09/05/2009 12:38:15
#87 Rob me blind,Peterhead

Aye that's right, Jack McConnell's idea for Trump's golf resort was a non-starter until his pal, Wee Eck, got in as First Minister?

Sotland On Sunday
23 April 2006
By EDDIE BARNES AND JEREMY WATSON
"JACK McConnell has been accused of breaking the ministerial code of conduct by backing a luxury golf resort planned for Scotland by billionaire Donald Trump.

Scotland on Sunday can reveal the First Minister's close association with Trump may have broken strict rules which require ministers to remain neutral about planning applications before they are decided..."

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/donaldtrump/McConnell-broke-rules-on-300m.2769589.jp
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Blue Tooner,

Hame 09/05/2009 13:33:23
Forcing folk out of their homes to make way for a golf course? The Age of Stupid just raised the bar! The ghost of Patrick Sellars has come back to haunt us. God help us all.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 09/05/2009 14:18:36
I'm sorry but is it only me who finds the headline in bad taste ? Donald Trump is a buffoon and I find golfing very coma inducing so frankly don't care about this one way or t'other.

Compulsory purchase orders and ''buying'' out property owners cannot in any way be compared to the Highland clearances, which treated people worse than animals.

Hysterical headlines annoy me.

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mishanti,

Sandston VA USA 09/05/2009 14:55:56
Our Supreme Court has ruled that towns and cities can take land from ordinary citizens if it benefits the town so they have more taxible income when they allow corporations to build on this land. I think this is quite harmful of a ruling. Someones home can be taken just to build a McDonalds- which is NOT a Scottish company! Trump can be ruthless in business...beware.
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Media at One,

09/05/2009 15:35:04
He CANNOT clear them out, he can only put an offer in.
Ultimately any clearout rests in the hands of the land owners - NOT Trump!
How typically Scottish to blame someone else -
86

famous 15,

Edinburgh 09/05/2009 16:08:18
#92 You are commenting on "eminent domain" which dates from the Roman Emperor Justinian's time or earlier. In essence the community interest is held in higher regard than any one individual's interest. In the USA and Spain for example, it has been abused. In Scotland the courts take greater care of individual rights but it is still possible that community interests could win but with compensation being granted. Trump is treated scathingly as an incomer. What is the indigenous status of all these landowners? Just asking!
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Pilrig,

Livingston 09/05/2009 16:12:24
91 - CPO is a form of clearance.
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Pilrig,

Livingston 09/05/2009 16:14:15
94 - "in Scotland the courts take greater care of individual rights"

if only that were true.
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puskas,

East kilbride 09/05/2009 16:30:56
Well I don't know the present day value of the homes Trump has given offers to... If any.

Say £170,000.... Who the hell would really want to live on this barren land..

What an opportunity for the householders to take their pick of modern built housing. All expenses paid and maybe a bit of poppy to go along with it,,
All the power lies with the householder in this matter.

Tell you what although I wouldn't wish to live their I would dearly like to own one of these homes at this present time..

The topic is very poor and just to fill a page...

I see Chic is aff his heed as usual along with a few other comedians.
90

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 09/05/2009 18:47:53
Contact the Ellen Degeneres show in the US. She regularly features Trump or his silver-soon-in-the-mouth daughter. She may be very interested in this apparent under-handed-ness.
91

WL,

Livingston 09/05/2009 19:00:24
This is surely not the last trick Trump is going to play.
Trump is a ruthless and very dangerous man, who thinks that money buys everything and everyone.
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Morry,

09/05/2009 19:10:06
91-quote "Compulsory purchase orders and ''buying'' out property owners cannot in any way be compared to the Highland clearances, which treated people worse than animals".

Talk about the blind leading the blind, you obviously walk around thinking rural living is idyllic, that no untoward occurrences take place in 21st century Scotland.
Harassed, intimidated, victimised, beaten up, assaulted over 20 years.........
You don't see the terror faced by hundreds of people who are being victimised or the fear that they may be relieved of their homes and businesses that they have spent a lifetime building. ON A WHIM of a Trump like individual!

This is just the start, I can assure you of that,

Eight years of court cases, eight court cases going on nine!
Bottom line, if these Trumps want you out and they have inclination and the money then they will get you out by hook or by crook (the latter being the operative word).

It matters not that you and your family have been on the land for several decades, if they want it, you my friend are finished, unless of course you have oodles of money to pay to corrupt (working with the enemy) lawyers!

You should get yourself out of Glasgow and have a look around the countryside which surrounds, better still, hit a small island not a million miles away and observe the natives, there is much unrest,
Who you might ask has caused this perceieved unrest?
None other than your buddies from Glasgow! or rather Paisley, same difference,
the affluent invade the islands and it's the natives who pay! grow up 91



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Morry,

Scotland 09/05/2009 19:14:14
99 WM: No it's not the last trick this individual will play, he is a nutter with cause, just like all the other nutters with "cause" as they see it.

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Charley,

Boston & Delhi 09/05/2009 19:21:00
Well, um, didn't you Scots steal a huge part of the world from its original inhabitants by force to make yourselves richer (or fail - Darian rings a bell)? Did I miss something? You will, as a nation, pay for it and I hope all the Eastern Europeans change the Macs to Kowolskis and breed you out...
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Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 09/05/2009 19:22:58
CPO by the Shire Cooncil is certainly being talked about in the local press...if it is as "last resort".

The thought is that if all other avenues are exhausted then the Council could purchase the land for Trump under CPO. The thought is given the support at Govt level (from ALL major parties it has to be said) then Aberdeenshire Council may well do just that.
96

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 09/05/2009 19:24:30
#102 get a grip son.
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Stan Butler,

09/05/2009 20:24:03

'The sight of old ladies fighting off big-time developers is not just an English phenomenon. In 1998, Vera Coking of Atlantic City in the United States defeated no less a developer than Donald Trump.

Mr Trump wanted to buy her house and raze it to make way for a car park to his casino. When Ms Coking demanded more than $1 million, he took her to court to try to have the house condemned, but the judge ruled that, while compulsorily purchase was permissable in order to provide public services, with the best will in the world, Mr Trump's casino did not fit that particular bill.'


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/4483510/Can-you-resist-compulsory-purchase.html

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W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 09/05/2009 20:57:13
It was a very sad day for Scotland when Salmond jumped into bed with Trump.
99

Richard Taylor,

Aberdeen 09/05/2009 21:47:06
Instigated, aided & encouraged by Joke McDonnell of course...;)
100

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 10/05/2009 09:28:19
After watching several BBC programmes and series involving people moving to the Highlands, I had gained the impression that the tragedies of the Clearances had been written out of history.

I suspect that the Trump is not planning to burn people alive in their homes and comparisons like those in this article simply serve to trivialise one of the cruellest, bleakest and most destructive periods in our history.
101

Pilrig,

Livingston 10/05/2009 10:08:12
102 - as subject's of HM's empire. doesn't make you proud to be British ?
102

Pilrig,

Livingston 10/05/2009 10:10:56
108 =- Clearances written out of history ? Read Prebble, Mark Rugg Gunn and avoid tendentious revisions of the subject ( Michael Fry).
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livilion,

livingston 10/05/2009 10:44:06
For compulsary purchase read 'name your price'?

Heaven forfend that during Credit Crunch the Trump should make these home owners an offer too good to refuse.

I am struck that once again those shouting loudest and longest don't appear to have an ounce of the Doric amongst them.
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livilion,

livingston 10/05/2009 10:48:54
108 Jacqueline Hyde
The Clearances have not been written out of history by the English speaking media, its just that the like of the Sutherland's 'Improvements' have been misunderstood.
The native speaking media still calls it for what it was.
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Morry,

Sutherland 10/05/2009 10:57:41
WELL SAID LIVILION!
It's not often I agree with you, but on this occasion I do!! :)
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 10/05/2009 16:45:00
I guess we can only hope for a miracle from a deity to rid us of Trump - style abuse of our little nation. The SNP has totally let us down and the rest won't be any better.
107

scotssuck,

10/05/2009 17:23:52
OH GOD! All you anti-American, anti-progress, job hating, wealth fearing, scare-mongering,backward-looking, island nation mentality, terrified, don't let anything change, we're happy living in the dark ages, never progress, never evolve, miserable, toothless, stuck in the past haters. GET WITH THE PROGRAM! Jobs, money, investment, long term financial stability. ARE YOU BRAINLESS! DO YOU WANT THIS COUNTRY TO MISS OUT ON WORLD CLASS INVESTMENT FOR THE SAKE OF OF A FEW ACRES OF LAND.

Here's what I hope will happen. Trump will vacuum up the land he wants regardless of who lives there and build whatever the hell he likes, as he likes, when he likes, as big as he likes as gaudy as he likes, in neon and gold and platinum, with helicopter pads and copies of world famous monuments, like Las Vegas and you will all have to look at it day and night for decades to come and it will make millions $ and bring this pathetic nation screaming and resisting and kicking and fighting into this century. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BIRDS OR SAND DUNES OR 5 PROPERTIES OR THE WILDLIFE OR THE FLOWERS OR THE WEEDS OR THE SKY OR THE GRASS OR WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO PROTECT.

TRUMP RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRUMP TRIUMPHS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE DONALD CONQUERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Roy Forrester,

USA 10/05/2009 19:19:19
A classic case of the salesman's foot in the door!
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Pilrig,

Livingston 10/05/2009 20:55:06
115 - a radge writes
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Beardy,

Menie 11/05/2009 17:25:11
#37 Overton

Factually incorrect as usuual. The subject of Compulsory Purchase was first brought up by the council in a briefing note issued to the Concillors the night the letters fell through letterboxes

#70 Stan Butler

Whilst you are correct in as much as the actual landlords (during the clearances)were Scottish the driving force was the English Crown pushing for taxation. In the modern version the initial instigators are the Council (mainly Scottish)but the driving force is Trump - pushing for accolades.

As for those of you saying he at least has Scottish roots and cares about the country I would point out that under International rules of Nationality he is actually describable as a German American.

As for caring about the country, he cares about as much as he does about the hamburger he may have eaten three days ago, that much is obvious by his attempt to rename 14th Century Menie House as McLeod House, in the process wiping out several hundred years of tradition and heritage

This is a first step on a slippery road to the end of democracy where people who have invested their lives in this country can be cast aside for no valid reason. A housing estate is a housing estate is a housing estate, except when it is built on a SSSI
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Myosotis,

13/05/2009 20:25:04
A possibly significant comment is from the latest course architect in today`s Aberdeen Evening Express.

Gareth Hoskins says buying more land will enable the course to be moved away from the environmentally sensitive dunes and the SSSI.

Also that in order to create two golf courses and to hold championship events safely, the Trump existing landholding is insufficient.

Which is what some of us have said for years.

 

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